Dell X50 – Extra Info & Possible Picture

[Jonathon Watkins]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=8697' target='_blank'>http://www.pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=8697</a><br /><br /></div>OK, now we have another 'official' X50 rumour. MacBirdie emailed us to let us know that PDAclub.pl has some more details about the X50 and an all important picture! There's three VGA PPCs pics (Asusa A730, HP 4705 &amp; X50) which are scaled 1:1 for 72dpi displays so people can compare the sizes. The site is in Polish, so when I ran the page thought the automatic translator I got the following: "Information is pretty casual, pozostawia still very many unknown, but obtained parameters are following:"<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/axim_x50_72dpi_l.png" /><br /><br />Yup, that sums up the varied and conflicting information about the X50 all right. :lol: The latest info indicates that there are indeed three models. The 'low' end one has a 416Mhz processor, 64Mb RAM, 64Mb ROM, 3.5' QVGA and Bluetooth. The 'Mid' unit comes with a 520Mhz processor, 64Mb RAM 128Mb ROM, 3.5' QVGA, Bluetooth &amp; 802.11b and a docking cradle. The 'high' end unit has a 624Mhz processor, 128Mb RAM, 128Mb ROM, 3.7' VGA screen, Bluetooth &amp; 802.11b and a docking cradle. In this version the main battery is 1100mAh and the addition battery is 1800mAh. I wonder how long 1100mAh will last with a fast processor and a VGA screen.........<br /><br />Anyone else notice that there's suddenly an awful lot of information about the X50 around at the moment? Hmmmmm, me and my suspicious mind. :wink: Anyhow there seems to be common agreement about much of the core information, but there is definitely conflicting information about 'minor' things like it's shape, whether the WiFi is 802.11b or 802.11g and 1800mA or 2200mAh batteries. Time will tell, but I think it's generally stacking up quite nicely at the moment. Any of you dudes debating the desirable details of getting a Dell X50? 8)

[OSUKid7]

Hmm...not bad...not bad at all. If Dell releases any official information about this PDA, or releases it before HP releases the hx4705, I'll consider it. Otherwise I'm getting the 4705.

(Realize I'm running on a 2 year old iPaq H3870. :|)

[ignar]

Looks awesome. Forget 4700. I think I finally find my next PocketPC. :)

[Jonathon Watkins]

Hmm...not bad...not bad at all. If Dell releases any official information about this PDA, or releases it before HP releases the hx4705, I'll consider it. Otherwise I'm getting the 4705.

(Realize I'm running on a 2 year old iPaq H3870. :|)

Heck, I've got an X5 that's nearly as old. :lol:

I really interested in both the X50 and the e830. The 4705 does not interest me as much. I'll await the confirmed specs and initial reviews with great interest........

[brianchris]

whether the WiFi is 802.11b or 802.11g

Ooooooh....correct me if I'm wrong, but if it turns out to be G, wouldn't that make the X50 the first PPC with integrated G wireless?

Obviously I'd love to see this. IMHO, they should differentiate between the Mid (802.11b) and the high end unit (802.11g).

[ignar]

Oh, those of you haven't done so yet, visit the linked site and look at the the size comparison shot of 4700, Loox, and X50. I'm very impressed.

[MacBirdie]

It sure is a nice looking beast. ;)

I wonder about the Bluetooth version though. Some manufacturers are about to release v 1.2 chips in their devices as hp already did in at least some of their new iPAQs.

[Duncan]

I want one. Stuff any of the other features - I just want the first ever Pocket PC with built-in:

Intel™ Skynet™ Morphotech©. Yes - you too can have the appearance and specification of your Pocket PC change daily according to your mood...! Comes with special add-on leather jacket. ;)

[Spiral]

that border looks weird because its on 3 sides but missing from the top, maybe it looks more balanced when seeing the top too, but I'd rather have all the border be dark colored from this view.

[Palmguy]

Looks awesome. Forget 4700. I think I finally find my next PocketPC. :)

:iamwithstupid:

[lmtuxinc]

too bad its not a 4" screen. i hope it has consumer IR.

[PR.]

* re-enters cryostasis until the 4700 is released *

[Jonathon Watkins]

* re-enters cryostasis until the 4700 is released *

Not happy with the X50 PR? Why's that? I was not enamoured by it's looks at first, but it's grown on me. The spec certainly looks decent.

[theoak]

Personally, I like the size compared to the others. I also like the design. However, in landscape mode, due to the fact that the border does not go all the way around ... it might look a little off ...

[korn7161]

The units size will be
4.68 x 2.87 x 6.65in

You're Welcome, lol

Eric

[PR.]

* re-enters cryostasis until the 4700 is released *

Not happy with the X50 PR? Why's that? I was not enamoured by it's looks at first, but it's grown on me. The spec certainly looks decent.


To be honest I just stick with HP because they are mainstream, all the developers of software and hardware take the iPAQ range seriously and if there are problems with their product they get sorted not just a "Sorry doesn't work with your product" excuse. I know that doesn't really happen in the modern PPC world but I'm a stick in the mud from the old 3600 ;)

Plus with the 4700 you get a larger screen and supposedly all my 5450 accessories will still work with the 4700 (fingers crossed).

[Ryan Joseph]

I like the look of that picture. It looks sort of retro...and I think it works.

I can't wait to read more about this device! I had an X5 for a while and it was a great device. I would never have sold it if it had had Bluetooth.

So I'd love to go back to a Dell. Duuuuuuude..... :mrgreen:

[ignar]

To be honest I just stick with HP because they are mainstream, all the developers of software and hardware take the iPAQ range seriously and if there are problems with their product they get sorted not just a "Sorry doesn't work with your product" excuse. I know that doesn't really happen in the modern PPC world but I'm a stick in the mud from the old 3600 ;)

You are right in that iPaq is a mainstream, but I have a strong feeling that by sometime next year, Dell will take the first place in PocketPC market share. 8)

[mcsouth]

Well, this is one of the first WM2003SE units that I actually have any interest in, AFTER seeing the pictures. The current iPaq line-up leaves me cold, and while the X30 has great specs, the lack of VGA sort of minimizes some of the desire to move up. I had resigned myself to waiting until the next major OS update, but may reconsider if this X50 pans out the way the alleged rumours are painting the specs......

[zilla31]

wow sexy. i also like to live dangerously... oops - i mean i think i also have found my next pocket pc!

[Jonathon Watkins]

The units size will be
4.68 x 2.87 x 6.65in

You're Welcome, lol

Eric

Ummm yes. With the other units (http://www.firstloox.org/VGAppc.htm) having dimentions of roughly 5.3 x 3.0 x 0.6, I think your figures may be a tiny bit out. :wink:

[nosmohtac]

Looks nice, but I'm not biting yet because there is still too much that is unknown.
I know that my next PPC will have VGA,USB host,CF,SD, CIR, WiFi, BT, 128MB RAM, and at least 64MB ROM. IF the Loox 720 is the only one that fits the bill, then so be it. I'm not completely rigid on the specs, for instance I could maybe forego the CF slot as long as it has USB host capability.

[johncruise]

Looks nice, but I'm not biting yet because there is still too much that is unknown.
I know that my next PPC will have VGA,USB host,CF,SD, CIR, WiFi,and BT. IF the Loox 720 is the only one that fits the bill, then so be it. I'm not completely rigid on the specs, for instance I could maybe forego the CF slot as long as it has USB host capability.

ditto!

[Thefo]

Does HTC manufacture this unit for Dell? because if it does then think about the fact that they also make the IPAQ's and the XDA's, you've got all these loyal brand followers and the irony is that they are all made by the same company. :) I know Wistron made the X5 but I'm not sure who makes the X3/X30 though ?

[korn7161]

Ummm yes. With the other units having dimentions of roughly 5.3 x 3.0 x 0.6, I think your figures may be a tiny bit out.

No they are not "a bit out" i found them in metric on the FCC site, and translated to English it IS CORRECT

P.S. im new here, ive visited this sight for over a year, and never signed up until now

EDIT: I'm sorry it wasnt the FCC site i dont know what i was thinking, (althought it mite be there too) It was from the site that the picture is from, which isnt in English

[christak]

I hope this is true!! The high end unit's spec's are calling me... 8)

[kaitanium]

o man, that picture looks quite sleek! i hope it comes with a camera, although no specs show that it does :cry: if it does it will top the asus, which i am currently considering

[ricksfiona]

That high-end Dell is pretty cool. Tiny compared to the HP. If the specs are right and the price probably will be too, I'm on the Dell train...

[takotchi]

I've still got my old X5 and although Dell's support software-wise is kind of iffy, the build quality is great... and if the price is right, well, to hell with the 4705 and it's monstrous pricetag.

My main disappointment was the lack of the highest processor in VGA models; so far they've all been that lame 520MHz processor paired with a great VGA screen; those two things are my main points for selecting my next PPC, so 624MHz processor and VGA screen... that's good so far.

[Duncan]

Ummm yes. With the other units having dimentions of roughly 5.3 x 3.0 x 0.6, I think your figures may be a tiny bit out.

No they are not "a bit out" i found them in metric on the FCC site, and translated to English it IS CORRECT

Korn - the figures you gave are indeed impossible - 4.68 x 2.87 x 6.65in. However - I suspect that what you meant to say was: 4.68 x 2.87 x 0.65in - which is rather more in the realms of possibility.

Oh and - metric is perfectly English - what you mean is you translated the figures to imperial.

[johncruise]

Is it just me or did that picture looked like it was done using Photoshop?

[Chris Leckness]

To be honest I just stick with HP because they are mainstream, all the developers of software and hardware take the iPAQ range seriously and if there are problems with their product they get sorted not just a "Sorry doesn't work with your product" excuse. I know that doesn't really happen in the modern PPC world but I'm a stick in the mud from the old 3600 ;)

Plus with the 4700 you get a larger screen and supposedly all my 5450 accessories will still work with the 4700 (fingers crossed).

I guess Dell Axims, since they are not sold in stores, are chopped liver? A handful of major software vendors are in touch with the Axim community.

[JPack]

Already been confirmed: does not have 802.11g

[ruarch5]

can anyone help me upload an image?
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[MacBirdie]

Is it just me or did that picture looked like it was done using Photoshop?
Nobody said it's a photo. It is a vector image. And probably not Photoshop, Illustrator more likely.

[seaflipper]

That is one ugly unit. I hope that this is a spoof picture, because it sure looks ugly to me! :D

[Deus]

That looks more like an iPAQ than all the new iPAQs do!!! :lol:

[kaitanium]

seaflipper: i believe you meant HPs are ugly, actaully they are the epitome of ugly...maybe angles are cheaper to make than curves... :D

these guys did pretty well with how the dell axim x3 might have looked, hopefully the x50 will look like that sleek thing they pictured it to be.
http://www.pdaclub.pl/images/pda/axim_x3_prototype.jpg

[szamot]

Did everyone miss the last line of the table, or did I just miss it in all the posts:
Wyjście wideo? TAK
Video out? YES
What does that mean? and more importantly if it is true how is that going to come about. It does have both CF and SD but I doubt they will be using an adaptor. Ideas? Anyone, anyone, Buler?

[lmtuxinc]

the x3/x30 is hideously ugly. too square and stupid looking. i like the shape of the x5.

[jimski]

seaflipper: i believe you meant HPs are ugly, actaully they are the epitome of ugly...maybe angles are cheaper to make than curves... :D

Ah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I hope to behold my new 4700 soon, even if some believe it's an ugly sucker. As long as it works.

[gibson042]

Please don't take this personally or as a flame; the situation is just too humorous to not comment on.

Pocket PC Pontificator[/color] Duncan]Korn - the figures you gave are indeed impossible - 4.68 x 2.87 x 6.65in. However - I suspect that what you meant to say was: 4.68 x 2.87 x 0.65in - which is rather more in the realms of possibility.

Oh and - metric is perfectly English - what you mean is you translated the figures to imperial.
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary[/i]]pontificate
Function: intransitive verb
2 : to speak or express opinions in a pompous or dogmatic way

Anyway, just so there's some substance to this post, has it been confirmed that the X50 will utilize Intel's 2700G graphics co-processor?

[carrigaline]

Hi,

If HTC also made the 4150 (that of the yellow screen) is there a chance than this Axim X50 will have a yellow screen tint at certain angles?

I read that it will have a Sharp screen - what other ppcs out there have Sharp screens?

Thanks!

[nosmohtac]

The Sharp Zaurus running Linux has a very nice screen.

[Stake]

Once again, I have to reconsider my decision on which PDA to get. I was sure that the 4705 was going to be the clear favorite but now with the advent of the x50, it's now a toss-up.

I'm sure glad that the first "leaked" image was fake 'cause it was mighty ugly! Anyway, the specs seem to make the Dell a very solid contender.

I'm at least holding out until the 4705 rolls into stores but I might have to just wait until this Dell comes out before making a final decision...damn you PPC makers!! :wink:

[carrigaline]

Once again, I have to reconsider my decision on which PDA to get. I was sure that the 4705 was going to be the clear favorite but now with the advent of the x50, it's now a toss-up.

I'm sure glad that the first "leaked" image was fake 'cause it was mighty ugly! Anyway, the specs seem to make the Dell a very solid contender.

I'm at least holding out until the 4705 rolls into stores but I might have to just wait until this Dell comes out before making a final decision...damn you PPC makers!! :wink:


Got you the first time! :D Only messing!

[seaflipper]

seaflipper: i believe you meant HPs are ugly, actaully they are the epitome of ugly...maybe angles are cheaper to make than curves... :D

these guys did pretty well with how the dell axim x3 might have looked, hopefully the x50 will look like that sleek thing they pictured it to be.
http://www.pdaclub.pl/images/pda/axim_x3_prototype.jpg

Ok, if the x50 is going to look like the x30, then it's MUCH better than the iPaq look a like hx2000 series...isn't the x50 rumored to be an iPaq OEM?

However, I am partial to the hx4700 look. I have heard that it looks much better in person than in a picture :lol:

[schriss]

Same with X30, I have it in hands and it's beautiful, I'm afraid X50 looks ugly :-(

Anyway, how about VGA Out (like somebody asked few posts ago), will we need to buy additional, expensive adapter from Dell?

[Duncan]

Please don't take this personally or as a flame; the situation is just too humorous to not comment on...

Irony: the inability to see that a commment on someone else's supposed pompousness is actually, in itself, pompous.

Perhaps in future I should simply not try to help by pointing out where a misunderstanding/mistake has occured - then you won't feel the need to be such a prat in repsonse?

[nosmohtac]

Same with X30, I have it in hands and it's beautiful, I'm afraid X50 looks ugly :-(

Anyway, how about VGA Out (like somebody asked few posts ago), will we need to buy additional, expensive adapter from Dell?

VGA out would be very nice, but I would much rather have USB host.

[MacBirdie]

these guys did pretty well with how the dell axim x3 might have looked, hopefully the x50 will look like that sleek thing they pictured it to be.
We didn't make the X3 pic and we definetely did not make the picture of X50. We got hold of the information from the same source though so I'm more than sure that it's very close to the real hardware.

But no wonder nobody believes another leaked picture after the Tungsten T5 and previous X50 hoaxes (? what is the plural of "hoax" anyway ? hoaxa, hoaxae ? ;) ).

Edit: I updated the story, added ipaq h4150 and h5550 to the comparison photos.

[Stephen Beesley]

these guys did pretty well with how the dell axim x3 might have looked, hopefully the x50 will look like that sleek thing they pictured it to be.
We didn't make the X3 pic and we definetely did not make the picture of X50. We got hold of the information from the same source though so I'm more than sure that it's very close to the real hardware.

But no wonder nobody believes another leaked picture after the Tungsten T5 and previous X50 hoaxes (? what is the plural of "hoax" anyway ? hoaxa, hoaxae ? ;) ).

Edit: I updated the story, added ipaq h4150 and h5550 to the comparison photos.

Well I certainly like the sound of the specs being rumoured - it seems to have just about everything I would be after in a PPC.

As for looks - the one thing that I do hope is correct about the original image posted is the lack of an external aerial!

[jlp]

seaflipper: i believe you meant HPs are ugly, actaully they are the epitome of ugly...maybe angles are cheaper to make than curves... :D

Ah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I hope to behold my new 4700 soon, even if some believe it's an ugly sucker. As long as it works.

Please HP..(or whomever)..2210 Form Factor, 3.5" Screen (3.8" Optional), 240 x 320 TFT Screen (VGA Optional), SD Slot (+CF Optional), Bluetooth AND WiFi, 128MB RAM (More Optional), 64MB ROM, removable battery....standing by with cash.

It's puzzling to see that your sig points out that you want an ipaq 2210 sized device -like the X50 is-, yet prefer the larger rx4700 :?

[Chris Leckness]

Same with X30, I have it in hands and it's beautiful, I'm afraid X50 looks ugly :-(

Anyway, how about VGA Out (like somebody asked few posts ago), will we need to buy additional, expensive adapter from Dell?

VGA out would be very nice, but I would much rather have USB host.

Don't take this wrong. I am not asking to be ugly, just wondering....
What does everyone plan to do with USB on a pocketpc? Other than a nice USB Harddrive on the desk at work, I can't think of any practical uses.

[jagnon]

With USB Host you can connect USB keyboards, joypads as well as hard drives..

For VGA Out, I haven't seen any confirmations about whether or not the Intel 2700G multimedia chip will be included, but the 2700G natively supports dual LCD display output. This could be why it has vga out.

For those who don't know what the 2700G chip is, it is a 2d and 3d accelerator chip with a PowerVR core specifically mated to the 624mh arm cpu. The chip has onboard decoders for MPEG1,2,4 and WMA as well as polygon generation and fill rate equivalent to a sega dreamcast..

You can see samples of 2700G graphics here

http://www.powervr.com/News/Release/index.asp?ID=69

and a sample PPC game using 2700G

http://www.blacksmithstudios.com/solterra.html

[badbob001]

If it had USB host, it would be sweet to connect a MP3-harddrive player, like the iPod, to it and play large movies. Or, using the same setup, to be able to transfer your camera's photos to your mp3-hdd player.

Too bad there is no such thing as a usb->bluetooth or usb->wifi dongle so all pocketpc's can potentially support external storage.

[PJE]

You can see samples of 2700G graphics here

:drool:

Come on Dell launch it already...

[GoldKey]

I echo the reasons above. Also, USB connection to GPS's. Plus if there was a standard interface like this, who knows what the market might develop.

[badbob001]

and a sample PPC game using 2700G
http://www.blacksmithstudios.com/solterra.html

At that page, it shows the following requirements for the PocketPC version:


System Requirements (Pocket PC):
* 400 mhz cpu
* 32mb graphic card (Intel 2700G Rec.)
* 15mb free RAM
* 30mb free disc space


Does this mean that devices using the 2700G will have 32MB of video memory? That would be AWESOME! The PocketTV team have said that one of the barriers to decoding MPEG2 on the PocketPC using the graphics chip is the lack of video memory. And of course, what is the point of a 3D chip if there isn't enough memory for textures? Full-speed Playstation emulator here we come!

Sorry to have jump off topic a bit.

[huangzhinong]

and a sample PPC game using 2700G
http://www.blacksmithstudios.com/solterra.html

At that page, it shows the following requirements for the PocketPC version:


System Requirements (Pocket PC):
* 400 mhz cpu
* 32mb graphic card (Intel 2700G Rec.)
* 15mb free RAM
* 30mb free disc space



Does this mean that devices using the 2700G will have 32MB of video memory? That would be AWESOME! The PocketTV team have said that one of the barriers to decoding MPEG2 on the PocketPC using the graphics chip is the lack of video memory. And of course, what is the point of a 3D chip if there isn't enough memory for textures? Full-speed Playstation emulator here we come!

Sorry to have jump off topic a bit.

Funny, Intel 2700G has only 0.32MB build in memory(320Kb).

[Arqentus]

Funny, Intel 2700G has only 0.32MB build in memory(320Kb).

The Intel 2700G3 and Intel 2700G5 have 384 KB and 704 KB on-die memory configurations respectively. These chips are designed to refresh HVGA and VGA resolution displays using significantly less power than solutions refreshing from higher power external memory.

The Intel 2700G has it's own memory interface & internal memory. The interal memory is used to refresh 2d graphics, at a reduced power consumption. While the memory controller is used like any GPU you find in your pc, to access the memory on your board.

http://www.intel.com/design/pca/images/bd_2700g.gif

http://www.intel.com/design/pca/images/bd_2700gsys.gif

So, the 2700g can use it's internal memory for fast 2d graphics & low power. While the memory controller can use the pocket pc internal memory ( 128mb? ) or dedicated memory ( for the 2700g ).

http://www.intel.com/design/pca/prodbref/300571.htm

Nobody knows for sure if the x50 will have the 2700g ( it's a given fact based on Dell's 620 cpu & Intel's anouncement of a contract with a PPC maker ), also, it's unknown if the 2700g will use the main 128mb ram as memory or if it will have dedicated memory ( or shares both )...

22 day's until we know for sure ...

[isilver]

If the rumors are correct and the price is right I think it will be my next PPC. Probably the higher end model because the specs all look good.

As for USB support, who cares. Their are few PPC's that will do everything you want them to do. I don't know if a PPC exists that has 4.0 inch VGA, USB, IRda, WiFi, bluetooth, 624mhz processor, 128 meg ram, SD, CF, Camera. If it does I am sure you can expect to pay over $1000.00 for it.

[Kati Compton]

Don't take this wrong. I am not asking to be ugly, just wondering....
What does everyone plan to do with USB on a pocketpc? Other than a nice USB Harddrive on the desk at work, I can't think of any practical uses.
For when I'm a session chair at a conference, I can copy my presenter's presentations off of USB keys they hand me onto a PPC and don't have to carry my laptop around.

[nosmohtac]

Don't take this wrong. I am not asking to be ugly, just wondering....
What does everyone plan to do with USB on a pocketpc? Other than a nice USB Harddrive on the desk at work, I can't think of any practical uses.
For when I'm a session chair at a conference, I can copy my presenter's presentations off of USB keys they hand me onto a PPC and don't have to carry my laptop around.

Exactly!! I haven't liked Toshiba in the past, but I love that they've had this functionality for a while. All PPC's should have USB host capability. I don't want to get into the argument whether PPC or Tablet PC/ultra portable laptop is better, but USB host makes a PPC a much more useable companion, even more so with a VGA display.

It just opens up the doors for so many possibilities. I know that there aren't a lot of drivers written for the PPC, but the more PPCs that have it, the drivers will be written. There are already drivers for keyboards and mice, and USB mass storage drivers.

Imagine this. You have a DVD entertainment center in your vehicle. You go on a jaunt with the family or friends. Instead of bringing a bunch of DVDs to get scratched, stolen or lost. You bring your PPC (with VGA out or a CF VGA card) and a portable hard drive with a bunch of your movies that you converted using DVD2PPC or Pocket DVD studio. Now you have a wide selection of movies that you can output to the LCD screen in your car. If you don't feel like watching a movie, you play your entire CD collection that you ripped to MP3 and stored on your portable HD.

There are many business and entertainment applications for USB host and VGA out, and if the Dell X50 has both, I have no doubt that it will be my next PPC. I have never owned a Dell, but I have talked many people into buying a Delll PPC instead of a Palm, and I've had the opportunity to help many of them set up their activesync connection and play around with them. They are an excellent PPC at an excellent price. Not something you see much these days.

[badbob001]

According to this: http://www.intel.com/design/pca/intro/wireless_brochure.pdf, intel's reference 2700G pda appears to have 64MB flash, 128MB ram, and 16MB local memory for the 2700G gpu. So 32MB for the graphics local memory doesn't seem that far-fetched. Oh, why am I torturing myself with such speculations.

[beq]

Don't take this wrong. I am not asking to be ugly, just wondering....
What does everyone plan to do with USB on a pocketpc? Other than a nice USB Harddrive on the desk at work, I can't think of any practical uses.
For when I'm a session chair at a conference, I can copy my presenter's presentations off of USB keys they hand me onto a PPC and don't have to carry my laptop around.
That would be great. And on the flip side, I really wish PPCs can use the ubiquitous USB mass storage profile to provide drive letter access to all of its storage areas when connecting to a host which does not have ActiveSync (or which is someone else's computer that isn't paired with your PPC). Would make things much simpler, so I don't have to separately carry a portable keychain flashcard reader for example.

[Kati Compton]

Another use would be that I could potentially keep a bunch of videos on a mass-storage device and just copy over one to the PPC when I wanted to watch it (since constant access from the drive would be a battery hog, and I can't store many on the PPC)

[MacBirdie]

I got some info on X50's weight - 140 grams sounds unlikely but is very probable.

[Duncan]

I got some info on X50's weight - 140 grams sounds unlikely but is very probable.

No way. Just 7g more than an iPAQ h4150 (and vastly lower in weight than any other upcoming VGA PPC) stretches credulity beyond breaking point - even if it does have a relatively small battery - it is still a dual slot device, with VGA and dual-wireless modules (and possibly an extra GPU).

[MacBirdie]

No way.
I know, I'm not a blind believer in that one either. Maybe my source was talking about the QVGA "low" and "mid" models - we'll see.

BTW - our main editor is Duncan too. ;)

[Duncan]

No way.
Maybe my source was talking about the QVGA "low" and "mid" models - we'll see.

BTW - our main editor is Duncan too. ;)

That would make sense - perhaps the range goes 'from' 140g...?

Nice looking Loox 720 review BTW - just wish I could make out what it says (online translators don't do Polish to English very well at all...! ;))

[MacBirdie]

Nice looking Loox 720 review BTW - just wish I could make out what it says (online translators don't do Polish to English very well at all...! ;))
Thanks. :)
In short, the review says: "oooh, aaaah, gorgeous screen", great battery life, good hardware buttons, kinda lousy camera, very nice price. ;)
But this is only a "first impressions" article I wrote in about three hours and don't have much time to do the translation now but I'll probably translate the full review once it's up.

As for the LOOX 700 series itself - do you happen to know what's with the 710 being actually thicker and heavier than 720?

:nonono: , MacBirdie
OK, OK, I'm getting there.

I'll try to get even more information on X50's intriguing weight. ;)

[Arqentus]

MacBirdie,

you don't heapon to have the unit still to do a quick pocketquake run ( fps check ), so we finally know how qvga game's handle on a vga screen with pixel doubling. Every review of the vga PPC's forget about that aspect :(

[MacBirdie]

you don't heapon to have the unit still to do a quick pocketquake run ( fps check ), so we finally know how qvga game's handle on a vga screen with pixel doubling. Every review of the vga PPC's forget about that aspect :(
Nope, sorry, I had the device only for like 3 hours. Not much time to do such tests. But I will try it out once I get it for a full review, I promise. :)

[Duncan]

MacBirdie,

you don't heapon to have the unit still to do a quick pocketquake run ( fps check ), so we finally know how qvga game's handle on a vga screen with pixel doubling. Every review of the vga PPC's forget about that aspect :(

If it helps - I've received word from a highly trusted source that Anthelion runs great on the Loox 720. I'm not much of a gamer I'm afraid - but how is that as an indicator?

Like MacBirdie I'll be running a more in-depth review soon (yes - more than the first...!) - so I'll be sure to check Quake etc.


In short, the review says: "oooh, aaaah, gorgeous screen", great battery life, good hardware buttons, kinda lousy camera, very nice price.
But this is only a "first impressions" article I wrote in about three hours and don't have much time to do the translation now but I'll probably translate the full review once it's up.

Pretty much how I'd sum up mine too...! :) Do make sure to let us know at FirstLoox when you do your full review!

As for the LOOX 700 series itself - do you happen to know what's with the 710 being actually thicker and heavier than 720?

Heaven knows. I'm still trying to figure out who's going to buy the 710 when they have the 420 and 720 to choose from...! :|

[ultraman]

MacBirdie,

you don't heapon to have the unit still to do a quick pocketquake run ( fps check ), so we finally know how qvga game's handle on a vga screen with pixel doubling. Every review of the vga PPC's forget about that aspect :(

If it helps - I've received word from a highly trusted source that Anthelion runs great on the Loox 720. I'm not much of a gamer I'm afraid - but how is that as an indicator?

Like MacBirdie I'll be running a more in-depth review soon (yes - more than the first...!) - so I'll be sure to check Quake etc.


In short, the review says: "oooh, aaaah, gorgeous screen", great battery life, good hardware buttons, kinda lousy camera, very nice price.
But this is only a "first impressions" article I wrote in about three hours and don't have much time to do the translation now but I'll probably translate the full review once it's up.

Pretty much how I'd sum up mine too...! :) Do make sure to let us know at FirstLoox when you do your full review!

As for the LOOX 700 series itself - do you happen to know what's with the 710 being actually thicker and heavier than 720?

Heaven knows. I'm still trying to figure out who's going to buy the 710 when they have the 420 and 720 to choose from...! :|

Not neceesary, will you have chance to test FSPECE as well?
(Sorry, I know it is not easy to have PS1 Game).

[schriss]

Guys, don't forget about BetaPlayer, you might wan't to talk to Picard he might advise on what test to run and might even provide special, latest build with something specific, for example 2700G support.. (he already did minimal WMMX support just for mine X30 ;)
What I'd like to see is a 320x240 video played with "fit to screen" setting, to compare result with QVGA devices playing the same video (best is to use Picard's reference videos).
Chris.

[Duncan]

Guys, don't forget about BetaPlayer, you might wan't to talk to Picard he might advise on what test to run and might even provide special, latest build with something specific, for example 2700G support.. (he already did minimal WMMX support just for mine X30 ;)
What I'd like to see is a 320x240 video played with "fit to screen" setting, to compare result with QVGA devices playing the same video (best is to use Picard's reference videos).
Chris.

You mean like the BetaPlayer tests I already did in my Loox 720 review - link in sig? :)

[schriss]

probably :lol: will take a look now...

[schriss]

yes, that was old BetaPlayer version with no WMMX. After I bought Axim X30 High Picard coded his first (very limited at this stage) WMMX support and that gave me around 5% speed improvement with 640x480 movies. He said this is still very little WMMX support, so result is impressive! :)
Latest unstable can be downloaded freely, it contains WMMX support (can be disabled in options to compare with no-wmmx results)

And maybe it would be possible to code some 2700G support :D

[picard]

The current wmmx code is very minimal in BetaPlayer, but the "pressure" grows as the new VGA devices come out. Matt received the A730 today, you guys have Loox720 (or had it for a while). I have to hurry :D

[picard]

You mean like the BetaPlayer tests I already did in my Loox 720 review - link in sig? :)
actually i don't see any QVGA movie results :)

[Duncan]

You mean like the BetaPlayer tests I already did in my Loox 720 review - link in sig? :)
actually i don't see any QVGA movie results :)

True. I figured that VGA video was a better test...! :)

[picard]

True. I figured that VGA video was a better test...! :)
i think many people will still use QVGA movies because their storage space is limited and with lower bitrate you will get better quality with post-decoding zooming as with encoding at large resolution.

[FortimirCE]

Fortimir &lt;---- is in the minority.

I think the hx4705 is the best looking one lined up with all of them. It's the one that stands out. It's the one with the metal casing. It's the one that is sleek and black. It's the one that is designed to look just as good in landscape. Straight design only bothers me on cars... it looks sharp on PPCs. And did I mention it's black and awesome. You could like, run night-op missions with that baby... it could kill a vietcong 3 times before he hits the ground and never be seen. I so want one.

[schriss]

You like black? check out those Toshiba e830 pics

http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/event/20352.html :-)

[The PocketTV Team]

i think many people will still use QVGA movies because their storage space is limited and with lower bitrate you will get better quality with post-decoding zooming as with encoding at large resolution.

That's correct.

PocketTV should have no problem playing QVGA video at Nominal framerate in "Fit Screen" mode on the x50.

If you have an x50 sample, let us know your results (you can use the QVGA test streams officexp and torme from http://www.pockettv.com/mpg/ - if unavailable, try again later).

Let us know about your observations. Thanks!