HP iPAQ hx2200 Has Links On HP's Support Site - Launch Near?

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://www.ipaqabilities.com/iaforums/viewtopic.php?t=298">http://www.ipaqabilities.com/iaforums/viewtopic.php?t=298</a><br /><br />HP has added <a href="http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Product.jsp?prodTypeId=215348&prodCatId=82715&locale=en_US&taskId=135">support pages for the hx2200 series iPAQ</a>. iPAQabilities has been following the rumors of this apparent successor to the popular 2215.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040825-hx2200.jpg" /><br /><br />Specs include:<br /><br />• Intel X-Scale PXA270 316 MHz processor<br />• 64MB ROM / 64MB RAM<br />• Windows Mobile 2003SE<br />• 3.5" Transflective QVGA<br />• Bluetooth<br />• SDIO and CompactFlash slots :rock on dude!: <i>CF Rules!</i><br /><br />I'm glad they are making one with an integrated CF slot. In my trip to Brazil last month, the only broad band available at any hotel or business I was at was CAT5 wired ethernet, so getting online with my 2215 was no problem when I plugged in my CAT5 CF card. :mrgreen: <br /><br />iPAQabilities has a price of $349 for the above specs. For $549, you get all of the above plus a 624Mhz processor, 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM, a 64MB ROM filestore, 802.11b and a larger battery.

[mrkablooey]

Hmm, interesting.

My x30 high comes soon. Paid $296 for it... "only" thing it's missing is the CF slot. I can do without it, as really the only peripheral I was using in the CF was the wireless which will be built-in. I have a 128MB CF card in there for backups but I can do it to the SD slot.

I'll be curious to read the reviews, but for the price I paid for the x30, the hx2200 is a bit steep (at least on paper!)

edit: oh and about half the memory. sorry sven! :wink:

[surur]

For $549, you get all of the above plus a 624Mhz processor, 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM, a 64MB ROM filestore, 802.11b and a larger battery.

Nice specs, but surely for $549 for a future model I would expect VGA too?

Surur

[Jonathan1]

CF mau rule its also keeping us from smaller PPC's. :?

[hollis_f]

CF mau rule its also keeping us from smaller PPC's. :?I wouldn't really call my 2210 overweight.

[PetiteFlower]

Is that an actual picture of it? If so, eeeeew! And people called my X5 ugly.....

[gorkon280]

One word. UGLY! That said, CF does not make your device THAT much larger. The e740 and e755 from Toshiba were ONLY slightly thicker then my 4355. Although now I have a CF modem I can't use. Anyone wanna buy it??

[JimPAQ]

Now this IMHO is a very attractive PDA. HP might just get out of my dog house. But at this point I'll just wait and see what develops.

--Jim

[Sven Johannsen]

Hmm, interesting.

My x30 high comes soon. Paid $296 for it... "only" thing it's missing is the CF slot. I can do without it, as really the only peripheral I was using in the CF was the wireless which will be built-in. I have a 128MB CF card in there for backups but I can do it to the SD slot.

I'll be curious to read the reviews, but for the price I paid for the x30, the hx2200 is a bit steep (at least on paper!)

Your X30 is also short about 30M of user ROM, 64M of RAM and 490mAh of battery from those specs, all of which typically drive up price, plus the CF slot. Are those worth the $$? Could be. Becomes a personal choice at that point I think. I could see the advantage of having all my programs in the 64M File Store, and being able to put a CF GPS and a map loaded SD in the slots. And having 128M to run it in.

I'm hoping that picture is squashed a bit, looks too square. No VGA is a bit unfortunate.

[JamesM]

Ed,
There's a small typo in your headline. I think it should be "HP iPAQ hx 2000..." series, since there seems to be a hx2100, hx2400, and hx2700.

I think this is the best looking out of the new batch of iPAQs, but I'm holding out (for now) for VGA on the 4705. If the 4700s are delayed much longer, I'll take a look at the 2700, since it seems to have everything else I want.

-James

[Dave Conger]

Ed,
...series, since there seems to be a hx2100, hx2400, and hx2700.
-James

I really hope there will be three different editions of it and not just one or two. At least to me, Dell seemed to have it right when they went with the multiple devices at multiple price points idea. HP seems to always cluster their devices all at a couple price points...none of which are that great.

[juni]

Doesn't seem much point in upgrading to this from the HP2210. I think I might sit out this current crop of devices. My next one must have VGA.

[mr_Ray]

OK, let's compare to my 2210

• Intel X-Scale PXA270 316 MHz processor
Ooooh sorry, beaten by the aging 2210 which has a 400MHz XScale

• 64MB ROM / 64MB RAM
32MB extra ROM. Better than nothing, but since I have 1.5GB of memory cards in my 2210 most of the time, mostly useless.

• Windows Mobile 2003SE
Funny, not long ago HP said we'd have that on the 2210 too...

• 3.5" Transflective QVGA
Oh how technology has progressed - not. Same old.

• Bluetooth
Oh how technology has progressed - not. Same old.

• SDIO and CompactFlash slot
Oh how technology has progressed - not. Same old.


What the hell does this offer that my year old 2210 doesn't? Total rubbish.

Sure, the upgraded model sounds quite a bit more tempting - twice the RAM/ROM and wifi, but Asus and the new Loox have stunning VGA screens - now THAT's what a want more than a few extra MBs that are dwarfed by memory cards anyway.

Yawn, byebye HP. I doubt I'll be buying from you again, what with your other new failur... I mean models.

[Jonathan1]

CF mau rule its also keeping us from smaller PPC's. :?I wouldn't really call my 2210 overweight.

No but it could use a diet consisting of SD cards only.

[jonathanchoo]

Ugly (although not as ugly as the X5, Mpx and rz1xxx)... QVGA...expensive...CF (ugh! when will it die!) well personally I am not too thrilled with the lack of VGA since most apps (and games) are crippled by the new OS+screen. But for the price I would have expected a VGA...

But saying that QVGA is old tech is just nonsence. Alot of new laptops are equipped with XGA although my first laptop in 1998 had that too. My dad just bought a centrino laptop and it costs the same as my 1998 laptop - same XGA res but with much faster processor, ram etc... the normal consumer's priority is not resolution but faster speed, bigger ram.

Also judging from the website it looks like the hx2xxx series will be out before the hx4700. The hx4700 is curiously missing from the support site even though it already received a paper launch.

[Ed Hansberry]

CF mau rule its also keeping us from smaller PPC's. :?I wouldn't really call my 2210 overweight.

No but it could use a diet consisting of SD cards only.
Or, you could get a 4000 series. Why should all Pocket PCs be alike? They make them the same, you complain. They make them different, you complain. :roll:

[Ryan Joseph]

Why should all Pocket PCs be alike? They make them the same, you complain. They make them different, you complain. :roll:

Well said! I love reading about upcoming devices, but I almost don't want to read everyone's replies to the original post. People see one picture and are instantly calling the thing UGLY. They see the specs and are instantly shouting about what it doesn't have. It just gets frustrating.

No single device can please everyone and that's why companies produce a diverse range of models. 8)

[JamesM]

I understand why people that frequent this site might yawn at the lack of new/improved/innovative specs on the new crop of devices, since many here seem to buy more than one new device per year. I am still using my Jornada 568. When the subsequent generation of devices came out, I found little reason to cough up another ~$500 or so. Since I've skipped a generation or two, I'm very excited about the 2000 and 4700 series, since the incremental change is much greater than for someone using a 2210.
-James

[mr_Ray]

Why should all Pocket PCs be alike? They make them the same, you complain. They make them different, you complain. :roll:

Well said! I love reading about upcoming devices, but I almost don't want to read everyone's replies to the original post. People see one picture and are instantly calling the thing UGLY. They see the specs and are instantly shouting about what it doesn't have. It just gets frustrating.

No single device can please everyone and that's why companies produce a diverse range of models. 8)

I think the issue that most people have at the moment is that HPs new "diverse range of models" pleases pretty much nobody. :D

I agree though that diversity is great - it'd be pointless to have 20 identical models. And I hope to never again in my life see another "CF sucks" "CF rocks" "CF sucks" "CF rocks" arguement. :cry:

More variety, more choice. Unfortunately HP this time around have seen fit to offer us a verity of crud.

[PetiteFlower]

I really hope there will be three different editions of it and not just one or two. At least to me, Dell seemed to have it right when they went with the multiple devices at multiple price points idea. HP seems to always cluster their devices all at a couple price points...none of which are that great.

Are you serious? Ok when Dell releases a device they usually put out a couple of different versions of it but they at least all have the same name and the same form factor, for simplicity. HP now feels the need to release like 8 new devices, bringing the total on the market to a whopping 11, all with different names, all with different forms, all overpriced and none with specs that anyone could consider truly spectacular. How is this a good thing? Consumers aren't going to know where to look! They don't NEED 3 different versions of this device! The 4100 and the 4300 made sense--one was small and sexy, the other had a keyboard--these 2 correctly responded to different market desires. All they're doing now is confusing people. HP needs to take lessons from Dell--except that if they do they'll probably end up losing more execs!

[surur]

I like the look of this device, it looks small and powerfull.

Where HP has let people down has been with the concept of progress, which is what we all expect from tech devices. Every generation is supposed to be better than its predecessors, or if not better then significantly cheaper. It is actively annoying when they release a device that has worse specs than the ones before, as enthusiasts look forward to upgrading just to upgrade, and these new poorer devices just discourage them.

Also the flip side of poorer specs have always been lower price, and HP has also disappointed on that side. If they are doing the palmone thing and making a Zire, they should give it a Zire like price also.

Like a lot of people I also wonder that happened to the executives at HP, and how they lost touch with the people.

Surur

[jpjehu]

Regardless of the rumors - I don't think this device will ever be a reality. HP has disclosed all of the models it plans to release - and this ain't one of them.

[nosmohtac]

Other than the squashed look of the picture. I think this is one of the sexiest new devices I've seen. I do think the specs of the low end model leave a lot to be desired, but the high end model would be very tempting, especially if it had a VGA screen. Although, at the $549 price point the loox 720 and Asus 730 have USB host for about $50 more, which is a must in my next PPC.

Speaking of which. I haven't seen anything on the iPAQ smart slot that's on the bottom of the hx4700. Does anyone know what it really is?

[JustinGTP]

Regardless of the rumors - I don't think this device will ever be a reality. HP has disclosed all of the models it plans to release - and this ain't one of them.

I wouldn't be so sure as this image looks exactly like the photoshop of the H6300 series a while back. I can see the similarity and I wouldn't be surprised if this was released.

I also, I would have expected VGA for that price. Hmm. If it did have a VGA - then it nearly has everything that I want. The Loox 720 is still top runner for me, however.

-Justin.

[Jason Lee]

Oh cool! If this still has nevo in it I mighth buy it. I would still like vga though.... :(
SD & CF, 624MHz, 128ROM, 64RAM... ooooOOOOooo... now nevo and vga and it will be perfect.
The rx3700 is almost perfect for what i want also but no CF or VGA... I MuSt have CF. The hx4700 is perfect except no nevo... (and kinda big but i could live with that)

So far this looks to be the closest new HP for my upgrade. Or i'll just get the asus or loox. ;)

so many choices so little cash....


Edit: I bet there will be/is a shortage of VGA screens. That would explain the delay with the 4700 and why there aren't any more HPs with VGA.

[davast]

I thought anything with an "x" in the title signified a VGA screen?

[nosmohtac]

I'm not sure, but I thought that it was

"Rx" meant regular resoultion
"Hx" meant High resolution

edit: of course there are some rz models too.

[Sven Johannsen]

OK, let's compare to my 2210

What the hell does this offer that my year old 2210 doesn't? Total rubbish.
.

They are not selling it to you to upgrade your 2215. They are selling it to new users. From a PDA Buyers Guide, June 19, 2003. The 2210/2215 is the first iPAQ with an integrated CF slot and SD slot, and at a relatively modest $399

So now you get a similar, but with some better specs, low end model for $349 SRP, and the opportunity to elect better features for more money. I'd consider eBaying my 2215 and buying the high end one.

You seem to still like your 2215. Why wouldn't somebody getting their first PPC, or coming from a Jornada with a drawer of CF cards, not like this new one? Sure you can still get a 2215 for under $300, but you can always do that with near end of life electronics.

[JimPAQ]

The hx4700 is perfect except no nevo... (and kinda big but i could live with that)

I didn’t know the hx4700 didn't have nevo. It's a darn good thing I'm not buying it or I would have been very disappointed. I use nevo on a daily bases. Good call on that one Jason. Now I’ll have to check in to that on this new one if it every starts to show up in stores.

--Jim

[juni]

but you can always do that with near end of life electronics.

Short lifespan for these 300$+ devices - less than a year ;)

(btw. the online petition for HP to offer SE for devices running WM2003 has hit 10,000)

[Jason Lee]

I didn’t know the hx4700 didn't have nevo. It's a darn good thing I'm not buying it or I would have been very disappointed. I use nevo on a daily bases. Good call on that one Jason. Now I’ll have to check in to that on this new one if it every starts to show up in stores.

--Jim

Yeah... I am betting this new hx 2200 will not have nevo. :( To me it appears that the hx is for business users. I don't think hp considers nevo a business app, that's probably why they removed it when they released the 5555. But I actualy use nevo at work. We have a "technology enhanced classroom", I use nevo to control the data projector, VCRs, TVs, DVD, lights, curtains, video conferencing equipment.... well you can control everything in the room.. It took for ever to program all that stuff in but it is so handy to have.
So it can have a few business applications.. but i guess not many. :lol:

But here's hoping... :way to go:

[tthiel]

I don't like the way those buttons look. Like they would not be easy to use. Shouldn't HP be IMPROVING things likes this with new models isntead of making it worse?

[thunderck]

Why should all Pocket PCs be alike? They make them the same, you complain. They make them different, you complain. :roll:

Well said! I love reading about upcoming devices, but I almost don't want to read everyone's replies to the original post. People see one picture and are instantly calling the thing UGLY. They see the specs and are instantly shouting about what it doesn't have. It just gets frustrating.

No single device can please everyone and that's why companies produce a diverse range of models. 8)

Well said. Ahhh cognitive disadince strikes again :!: :roll:

[PetiteFlower]

(btw. the online petition for HP to offer SE for devices running WM2003 has hit 10,000)

How much you want to bet that they don't care?

[Sven Johannsen]

but you can always do that with near end of life electronics.

Short lifespan for these 300$+ devices - less than a year ;) Yea, that's short. Not any shorter than OEM laptop lines though. Yea Sony still makes Vaio 505s but it's nothing like the one from last year. Same with Fujitsu, HP, whoever. Thing is, folks' laptops don't quit functioning because the new line came out, as PPCs seem to do. If the PPC OEMs make significant changes, we gripe because we have to get a new one too often. If they make incremental changes we gripe because they aren't progressing fast enough.

[mscdex]

I can't believe they say this is the new 221x replacement, slower cpu, no VGA. If they could fit wm2003se on a device with those specs, it would easily fit on a 221x. :roll: Extremely similar specs. Oh well.

I also thinks it looks very UNattractive, but that's me.

[Mark Johnson]

No single device can please everyone and that's why companies produce a diverse range of models. 8)

That's certainly true in principle. That said, this year's crop of PPC's has been pretty unimpressive though. (Not just HP's, but their line has perhaps the most obvious "this is different/better HOW?" factor of the OEM's.)

Sure there's an argument for some people wanting CF, for example. The sad persistence of QVGA, on the other hand, benefits no one. In theory, there should be reduced price for the units with that OLD technology, but it's like the OEM's have just repackaged last year's models and kept the price the same. It's kind of hard to defend HP's lineup this year...

You're certainly right about "beauty being in the eye of the beholder" as it were. I personally hate "the bricks" and love the old "curvy" 1900, but that's mostly taste (and the fact that the "smoother" 1900 fits better in my jeans front pocket.) I certainly wouldn't be nit-picking the style of the hx2200 if it was somehow innovative, but it really does strike me as just "the return of the 2215" a year and a half later.

Aside from the ("maybe shipping sometime this fall," "when we get to it," "hopefully before Christmas," "no really, we're gonna have it stores soon honest") hx4700, the entire HP lineup is:

"It's deja vu all over again."

[david291]

Can I get the larger battery for the $349 device?

All I want is an inexpensive basic device with a CF slot and a big battery. The rest of those extras I don't need. Give me only what I need for a low price and I'll buy a few dozen per week. Any of you OEMs listening?

[rpommier]

Frankly I like the device. It's really what I was looking for when I moved over to the Axim.

I didn't like the fact that the 2210 was supposed be updated to SE and wouldn't and reacted by selling my 2210 and getting an Axim. I really don't miss the CF as much as I thought I would and enjoy integrated WiFi & BT.

I just don't see that price working. My Axim was $251 shipped, how many people are going to pay $500 plus for a CF slot basically?

[Paula]

I love the idea (they say it is the thought that counts) but I dislike the design. :? I would also expect a VGA 4" screen on all iPaqs now.

Paula

[mrkablooey]

Is that an actual picture of it? If so, eeeeew! And people called my X5 ugly.....

are you saying it's not? :wink:

[mrkablooey]

Your X30 is also short about 30M of user ROM, 64M of RAM and 490mAh of battery from those specs, all of which typically drive up price, plus the CF slot.

whoops, missed that. edited my original post. :wink:

[mrkablooey]

What the hell does this offer that my year old 2210 doesn't? Total rubbish.

Hopefully side grips that don't pop off. :roll:

[Paul P]

The new lineup doesn't have anything with an integrated keyboard. I guess it wouldn't be much of a stretch to speculate about a potential facelift for the 4100/4300 series? Hey, maybe even a 43xx with VGA and GPRS? Or not. :wink:

[christak]

The hx2700 "high end" device would be fine had it come out about 4 months ago for about $350...

The thing has some nice points -- I'd like to have it instead of my 2210 -- but my 2210 is over a year old -- it's a little late and doesn't offer a whole lot that an Axim X30 doesn't have for "lots" less money... It really doesn't warrant the inflated $550 price (IMHO)...

For those of us with 2210's, I can't see buying this device, especially from HP!!
:roll:

[felixdd]

I doubt this is a real picture, or even depicts the real thing. Notice how all the current models are based on the same design scheme (esp. the button area).

Now notice how this device completely detracts from that design scheme.

[Sven Johannsen]

The thing has some nice points -- I'd like to have it instead of my 2210 -- but my 2210 is over a year old -- it's a little late and doesn't offer a whole lot that an Axim X30 doesn't have for "lots" less money

Except for more user accessible ROM, and twice the RAM and a bigger battery.

So take your $350 Dell X30 and add the $100 battery, and figure a RAM upgrade from PPCTechs would cost you, say, $150 and what have you got? A $600 Dell lacking a CF slot. The price isn't that bad folks. I'm starting to like it.

[christak]

The thing has some nice points -- I'd like to have it instead of my 2210 -- but my 2210 is over a year old -- it's a little late and doesn't offer a whole lot that an Axim X30 doesn't have for "lots" less money

Except for more user accessible ROM, and twice the RAM and a bigger battery.

So take your $350 Dell X30 and add the $100 battery, and figure a RAM upgrade from PPCTechs would cost you, say, $150 and what have you got? A $600 Dell lacking a CF slot. The price isn't that bad folks. I'm starting to like it.

I had already read your previous post regarding RAM, ROM, and battery...

I don't have a $350 Dell X30 (or any other Dell PPC for that matter) -- though they are/were available for less than $290 with various discounts as recently as two days ago -- I don't think the battery is worth $100 (not even $50 to me) and the RAM shouldn't be more than $100 aftermarket... HP should be able to do it considerably cheaper-- so the "$600 Dell" should be more like a bit over $400...

My point was that the HP device is too expensive (IMHO) for what it offers over a sub-$300 Dell. The new HP simply isn't worth $550 to me considering that PPCs are now "disposable"... I'll probably not be buying any new PPC that is over $350 to $400 -- but that's me... You do whatever you want (like you need my permission &lt;grin>)...
8)

[Sven Johannsen]

Point was the 2700 does indeed have features the Dell doesn't have, not whether you want them, need them or think they are overpriced. The Dell is overpriced too, get a Zire. You can't neccessarily compare apples to apples, but don't compare apples to beets.

[christak]

Maybe we can agree to disagree...

"Your" point was the 2700 does indeed have features the Dell doesn't have...

"My" point was that I think they are "still" overpriced...

Peace...
8)

[ignar]

Point was the 2700 does indeed have features the Dell doesn't have, not whether you want them, need them or think they are overpriced. The Dell is overpriced too, get a Zire. You can't neccessarily compare apples to apples, but don't compare apples to beets.

Sven, No offense, but I sometimes wonder if you're affiliated with HP. :roll:

[Sven Johannsen]

No offense taken at all. But no I'm not. Nor MS or Dell, who's products I do like, and have defended and recommended. Just think they and many large companies are unfairly maligned. While sometimes I agree with, or at least can understand their actions and sometimes disagree (really.. sometimes), I find it hard to take their decisions personally, as many seem to.

[Sven Johannsen]

Maybe we can agree to disagree...

"Your" point was the 2700 does indeed have features the Dell doesn't have...

"My" point was that I think they are "still" overpriced...

Peace...
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OK :hippy: