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Janak Parekh
08-18-2004, 02:00 PM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/215348-64929-215381.html?jumpid=re_R295_prodexp/busproducts/computing-handheld/handheld_pc' target='_blank'>http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/e...eld/handheld_pc</a><br /><br /></div>Jeremiah, from <a href="http://www.mobileslash.com">MobileSlash</a>, reports that HP's Small Business Store is now listing the iPAQ 6315 for preordering.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20040818-iPAQ6315.jpg" /><br /><br />If you add it to the cart and check it out, the estimated ship date is September 9th. That's not too far away. 8)

Mike Temporale
08-18-2004, 02:35 PM
I guess that would be an unlocked version, eh?

entropy1980
08-18-2004, 02:41 PM
I guess that would be an unlocked version, eh? According to Dave over at Dave's iPaq (http://davesipaq.com) They will not be selling an unlocked version in North America.

Sven Johannsen
08-18-2004, 02:55 PM
Don't know about Dave, but there is no mention of a service provider on the HP site and I got up to where it wanted my credit card without it ever mentioning a specific service provider. I would have to assume then it is unlocked. At least for now.

dangerwit
08-18-2004, 03:09 PM
I'd tend to think it is locked... looking on that 6315 page in the link mentioned in the article, there's an HTML Quickspec that does mention:

Models
HP iPAQ Pocket PC h6315 – 64-MB SDRAM GSM/GPRS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Camera
FA239A#ABA – US Commercial, English (T-Mobile service provider version)

iPAQ Pocket PC h6310 – 64-MB SDRAM, GSM/GPRS, WLAN, Bluetooth, no Camera
FA203A#ABA – US Commercial, English (T-Mobile service provider version)

Dunno. :?

*Phil

Sven Johannsen
08-18-2004, 03:10 PM
Was browsing at HPs Faqs http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/faq_h6300.html and noticed a couple of things that might be important to some folks. These might be old news, but they are specifically answered here.

Q . Is the GSM/GPRS dual band or tri-band?
A . It’s actually QUAD band. This international GSM phone supports 850, 900,1800,1900 MHz. I think this makes ATT folks happy?

Q . Why integrate a camera in a device that may be used in an enterprise environment? Most companies do not want their employees bringing any kind of camera into the workplace.
A . We offer the customer a choice between having an integrated camera and not having a camera in the h6300. This satisfies both an enterprise’s requirements, and a consumer’s interests. There are also certain fields that find an integrated camera beneficial, and we have had customer feedback asking for us to integrate a camera (real estate, etc,) so we now have a model that satisfies that customer need. When that one shows up, I'll be tempted to try my first converged device.

That faq also outlines the T-Mobile relationship, but doesn't come out and say the device is locked to that carrier. Macht nichts to me, that is my carrier. Guess the first guy to get one needs to find a friend with an ATT SIM and try it.

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 03:20 PM
It may be quicker to get it from T-Mobile directly. They did set up that web site to "buy it early".

HP originally said Aug 26th. Also, the below link says the same thing. I wonder who's right? ;) If it is September 9th, then HP must be taking lessons from Dell with "buy it now, ship it much later" :D


http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/product_detail/product_detail_view.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1609356317.1092830704@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccefadcmflfemkicfngcfkmdflldfjk.0&landing=handhelds&category=handhelds&subcat1=handhelds&catLevel=3&product_code=FA239A%23ABA

robcorn
08-18-2004, 03:20 PM
Check this out, don't know if it's real or not:

http://www.slashphone.com/news/?m=show&id=775&page=4

Derek
08-18-2004, 03:22 PM
I really really wonder how many HP will sell of these, since they already announced that WM2003SE will NOT be released for these 6315's.

sponge
08-18-2004, 03:26 PM
Why would no SE make such a huge difference? Most people really don't care, I know I don't about SE on mine.

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 03:29 PM
I really really wonder how many HP will sell of these, since they already announced that WM2003SE will NOT be released for these 6315's.

They will sell tons of them. SE is a minor blip that offers very little over WM2003 except the fact that you can say "wow, I have SE". But except for screen rotation and a few IE improvements, SE on a non-VGA screen device is a minor update. If the 6300 had VGA, it would be a different story since SE has native VGA support. But on a non-VGA device, SE is much ado about nothing.

Really, I think too many people are obsessing about SE and don't really realize how little in improvements it offers.

jwick
08-18-2004, 03:32 PM
I also think that T-Mobile has an exclusive agreement with HP for the first few weeks that all sales of the phone come from them.

robcorn
08-18-2004, 03:33 PM
I really really wonder how many HP will sell of these, since they already announced that WM2003SE will NOT be released for these 6315's.

They will sell tons of them. SE is a minor blip that offers very little over WM2003 except the fact that you can say "wow, I have SE". But except for screen rotation and a few IE improvements, SE on a non-VGA screen device is a minor update. If the 6300 had VGA, it would be a different story since SE has native VGA support. But on a non-VGA device, SE is much ado about nothing.

Really, I think too many people are obsessing about SE and don't really realize how little in improvements it offers.

Everybody just wants the newest thing out there...completely agree that SE is nothing major, and for a phone edition pocket pc like the 6315, there's no need for it.

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 03:36 PM
I really really wonder how many HP will sell of these, since they already announced that WM2003SE will NOT be released for these 6315's.

They will sell tons of them. SE is a minor blip that offers very little over WM2003 except the fact that you can say "wow, I have SE". But except for screen rotation and a few IE improvements, SE on a non-VGA screen device is a minor update. If the 6300 had VGA, it would be a different story since SE has native VGA support. But on a non-VGA device, SE is much ado about nothing.

Really, I think too many people are obsessing about SE and don't really realize how little in improvements it offers.

Everybody just wants the newest thing out there...completely agree that SE is nothing major, and for a phone edition pocket pc like the 6315, there's no need for it.

Yep :D

Don't get me wrong, I like the latest and greatest too. If SE were available for the 6300, I'd certainly load it up. But after using SE on my Toshiba e805 for the latst month or so, it's not enough to get me hot and bothered about SE on the 6300.

Paul P
08-18-2004, 03:45 PM
I would tend to think that most people, including myself, do care about SE. Even if landscape was the only improvement on there, it's still the feature that all of us have been asking for for a very long time. For me it also wouldn't be something new that I had to have, it would be something that would improve my PPC experience quite a bit. I can't use third-party apps, as I cannot stand soft-resets.

davegovols
08-18-2004, 04:00 PM
Does anyone know if HP is going to sell a CDMA version of the 6315?

alexm
08-18-2004, 04:05 PM
I would tend to think that most people, including myself, do care about SE. Even if landscape was the only improvement on there, it's still the feature that all of us have been asking for for a very long time. For me it also wouldn't be something new that I had to have, it would be something that would improve my PPC experience quite a bit. I can't use third-party apps, as I cannot stand soft-resets.

I agree - having landscape mode is quite nice. But it would not be a show stopper for me. HP offers a nice package in 6315 and if XDA III doe not come out in time I would just consider upgrading to it.
WE WANT XDA III!!! :mrgreen:

entropy1980
08-18-2004, 04:10 PM
Don't know about Dave, but there is no mention of a service provider on the HP site and I got up to where it wanted my credit card without it ever mentioning a specific service provider. I would have to assume then it is unlocked. At least for now.Dave said that info was straight from HP through the "Evangelist Program" so there likely is some truth to it, not to mention the amount of Tmobile specific software pre-loaded into ROM.

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 04:18 PM
Don't know about Dave, but there is no mention of a service provider on the HP site and I got up to where it wanted my credit card without it ever mentioning a specific service provider. I would have to assume then it is unlocked. At least for now.Dave said that info was straight from HP through the "Evangelist Program" so there likely is some truth to it, not to mention the amount of Tmobile specific software pre-loaded into ROM.

Also, because its an "exclusive", I doubt HP would sell unlocked versions that could be used on other networks. 6300's suddenly appearing on AT&T or Cingular networks aren't exactly exclusive.

I'm sure though that within a week or two of release, someone will have figured out how to unlock it :)

entropy1980
08-18-2004, 04:20 PM
Several people have spoken with T-Mobile managers who have stated 90 days after activation you can request for an Un-Lock code and they will grant it. I have always had an easy time getting an unlock code from T-Mobile and this should be no different.

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 04:21 PM
I would tend to think that most people, including myself, do care about SE. Even if landscape was the only improvement on there, it's still the feature that all of us have been asking for for a very long time. For me it also wouldn't be something new that I had to have, it would be something that would improve my PPC experience quite a bit. I can't use third-party apps, as I cannot stand soft-resets.

Its a matter of choices. For me personally, having phone, WiFi and bluetooth in one small integrated device is more important than being able to rotate my screen easily.

CTSLICK
08-18-2004, 04:26 PM
Does anyone know if HP is going to sell a CDMA version of the 6315?

I seriously doubt it but I'd get in line if they did! Of course Sprint wouldn't be smart enough to pick it up and if they did they'd probably cripple it.

huangzhinong
08-18-2004, 04:30 PM
I will wait the new HP rw6100 phone.

The spec is :
CPU: Intel PXA270 processor
OS: Windows Mobile Phone Edition 2003 Second Edition
Memory: 64MB's of RAM and 128MB's of ROM
Battery: 1400mAh Battery
Screen: 2.8 inch 262,000 color TFT LCD QVGA Display
Network: CDMA/Wifi support
Camera: 1.1 Mega Pixel CMOS Camera

http://www.slashphone.com/news/uploads/775/kap1.jpg

Paul P
08-18-2004, 04:49 PM
Its a matter of choices. For me personally, having phone, WiFi and bluetooth in one small integrated device is more important than being able to rotate my screen easily.

Undoubtedly, for me as well. I was saying that the landscape mode is not something most people would consider as immaterial.

surur
08-18-2004, 04:51 PM
Regarding the above device, there is very little point in making the pocketpc a better phone by making the screen smaller. If you wanted a better phone you would use the smartphone platform.

Where the Mpx really scored was intergrating a QWERTY keyboard into the device, making a much better pocketpc AND phone. When you opt for a pocketpcphone your priority is Data, not Voice, and they should make it easier to enter data, not to hang up a call.

So yes, nice phone, but wrong OS.

BTW: Regarding Second Edition. For a phone you will be doing a lot of web browsing on (why else have a data phone) having on the fly landscape will be very very cool and usefull indeed.

Surur

alabij
08-18-2004, 05:02 PM
My problem with all this is that by mid next year, MS will probably release WM2005. Doesn't it bother anyone that this device is non-upgradeable.

huangzhinong
08-18-2004, 05:05 PM
Regarding the above device, there is very little point in making the pocketpc a better phone by making the screen smaller. If you wanted a better phone you would use the smartphone platform.

Where the Mpx really scored was intergrating a QWERTY keyboard into the device, making a much better pocketpc AND phone. When you opt for a pocketpcphone your priority is Data, not Voice, and they should make it easier to enter data, not to hang up a call.

So yes, nice phone, but wrong OS.

BTW: Regarding Second Edition. For a phone you will be doing a lot of web browsing on (why else have a data phone) having on the fly landscape will be very very cool and usefull indeed.

Surur

The phone does have keyboard, sir.

Leon
08-18-2004, 05:28 PM
My problem with all this is that by mid next year, MS will probably release WM2005. Doesn't it bother anyone that this device is non-upgradeable.
Who says it is unupgradeable? AFAIK, they only announced they will not provide an SE upgrade.

Hx4700
08-18-2004, 05:57 PM
Janak wrote : the estimated ship date is September 9th. That's not too far away - that started this thread.
I ordered the Hx4705 on 07/20/04 with a expected ship date of Aug 18. I checked every few days to confirm. On the morning of Aug 16th the availability date was changed to Oct 4th. Other purchase sites had similar date changes.
So don't count on or encourage anyone else to count on a date presented by HP. :(
Ron...

entropy1980
08-18-2004, 06:05 PM
Janak wrote : the estimated ship date is September 9th. That's not too far away - that started this thread.
I ordered the Hx4705 on 07/20/04 with a expected ship date of Aug 18. I checked every few days to confirm. On the morning of Aug 16th the availability date was changed to Oct 4th. Other purchase sites had similar date changes.
So don't count on or encourage anyone else to count on a date presented by HP. :( :bangin:
Ron...Difference is HP has NEVER took pre-orders for the hx4700 they still aren't and have never been available for sale through hpshopping.com.... the 6300 wasn't available until yesterday which makes me believe the date is much more firm.

Snarf
08-18-2004, 06:40 PM
Im new to these devices... does this product have a built in speaker of any sort? Or are headphones required for any sort of audio?

like... can you use it as an alarm clock? can you play an MP3 and listen without headphones?

Thanks

Janak Parekh
08-18-2004, 06:56 PM
Im new to these devices... does this product have a built in speaker of any sort? Or are headphones required for any sort of audio?
All Pocket PCs have a built-in speaker. The 6315 should also be able to be held up to your head, as long as you don't mind the unusual form factor. Finally, on all Pocket PC Phones I know, that speaker can be used to enable speakerphone mode while in-call.

like... can you use it as an alarm clock? can you play an MP3 and listen without headphones?
Yes to both, although don't expect too much quality out of the monaural speaker on the device.

--janak

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 07:35 PM
Janak wrote : the estimated ship date is September 9th. That's not too far away - that started this thread.
I ordered the Hx4705 on 07/20/04 with a expected ship date of Aug 18. I checked every few days to confirm. On the morning of Aug 16th the availability date was changed to Oct 4th. Other purchase sites had similar date changes.
So don't count on or encourage anyone else to count on a date presented by HP. :( :bangin:
Ron...Difference is HP has NEVER took pre-orders for the hx4700 they still aren't and have never been available for sale through hpshopping.com.... the 6300 wasn't available until yesterday which makes me believe the date is much more firm.

Plus, this isn't just an HP thing. T-Mobile has a stake in the release date too. If HP announced a hard date, saying that T-Mobile plans would also be available then too, it's a decent chance that they will keep it. Not guranteed, but it seems like the machinery is in place (i.e., that T-Mobile early order site). We'll seen soon enough :)

DaleReeck
08-18-2004, 07:40 PM
Janak wrote : the estimated ship date is September 9th. That's not too far away - that started this thread.
I ordered the Hx4705 on 07/20/04 with a expected ship date of Aug 18. I checked every few days to confirm. On the morning of Aug 16th the availability date was changed to Oct 4th. Other purchase sites had similar date changes.
So don't count on or encourage anyone else to count on a date presented by HP. :( :bangin:
Ron...Difference is HP has NEVER took pre-orders for the hx4700 they still aren't and have never been available for sale through hpshopping.com.... the 6300 wasn't available until yesterday which makes me believe the date is much more firm.

Plus, this isn't just an HP thing. T-Mobile has a stake in the release date too. If HP announced a hard date, saying that T-Mobile plans would also be available then too, it's a decent chance that they will keep it. Not guranteed, but it seems like the machinery is in place (i.e., that T-Mobile early order site). We'll seen soon enough :)

I see Brighthand is saying that the possible reason for the 4700 delay is, not surprisingly, supply problems with the hi rez screen. Since the 6300 has a plain ol' QVGA screen, that's another reason why they may make the expected date for the 6300 release. I hope it's soon. I have my e805 up for sale on eBay and I don't want to be without a Pocket PC for too long ;)

Hx4700
08-18-2004, 11:20 PM
Well all I can say is Good Luck to us all. :lol:
I'm just sour on :razz: HP now with all the delays. :(
Ron...

Snarf
08-19-2004, 12:59 PM
Just spoke with a friend who works at T-mobile. She is saying their internal release date as far as she knows is 8/27.

Also says that they're getting release details on Friday for the h6315. That makes it quite possible that they'll release it next Monday for their mailing-list customers.