HP iPAQ hx4700 FCC Docs Up

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=563354&fcc_id='NM8ROADSTER'' target='_blank'>https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...d='NM8ROADSTER'</a><br /><br /></div>Several people wrote in to let us know that the FCC site for the hx4700 is now chock-full of the usual documentation, including photos and a user manual for the device. If you've been interested in checking out the fine details, now's your chance.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20040816-HPiPAQ4700.jpg" /><br /><br />It's possible it won't stay up for long, though, since there's a cover letter from HTC that requested confidentiality until September 20. (I guess it's also equally possible that the FCC denied that request.)

[Brad Adrian]

Man! Who told them that case design is good-looking? I think this new line of devices looks like something out of the 1970s. Ugh!

[Janak Parekh]

I don't like most of the new iPAQ designs, but I disagree on the 4700 -- I think it looks sleek and professional.

--janak

[whydidnt]

It would appear the FCC is releasing some of these documents in error. The manual, photos, etc. show a document release date of 9/25/04, but if you click on the link to download, there they are 8O .

It's also amazing how long this thing has been floating around without being released. Many of the photos have a sticker that says "with New Touch pad and antenna 4/26". That was almost 4 months ago. Yet the device STILL isn't shipping. The picture of the cradle is dated 5/6/04 - It seems HP has been sitting on these babies for a while.

My favorite line from the manual - discussing HP's "Protect Tools Software", which appears to password protect and encrypt your information -
"ÄCAUTION: HP ProtectTools provides strong protection of your Pocket
PC and the data stored on it. ..., loss of all data on your iPAQ Pocket
PC, including data stored in iPAQ File Store. It is recommended that
you remember your PIN/password and question/answer." Well, duh.. :lol:

[bleeman]

I don't think the pictures do the unit justice as I was of the same opinion. However, getting to play with it a bit at the HP Wireless and Mobility seminar last week I liked what I saw. If I hadn't just bought my 5555 back in January I'd be tempted to go with this unit. I'm also torn between this and moving over to the 6315 and consolidating my devices into one unit. I just can't make up my mind yet as having the phone is nice, but not sure if it's worth the sacrifice in memory, battery time etc. According to the T-mobile reps at the event who've been using the 6315's day-to-day for awhile now, overall they like it, but they say realistically with moderate PDA use and limited WiFi use (The biggest battery drain) they get about a day out of a charge.

I will admit I was surprised at how well I could manage the unit with the touchpad. That was another concern of mine because of my BIG hands. I was afraid it would be to clumsy.

[paris]

Somethig worthwhile noting which was mentioned in bh forums.

Internal pictures of the device show an ATI 3220 controller.

Also the user manual says that you can hold the calendar button for 2 seconds to toggle between portrait and landscape mode. Also in a similar fassion the Contacts button has been pre-programmed to switch
between Cursor and Navigation mode(for the touchpad).

[Lorenzo]

Did anyone happen to download the users manual, because the file is no longer there for download and I would love to read it?

If you did get it can you send it to me?


Lorenzo
[email protected]

[Duncan]

Also the user manual says that you can hold the calendar button for 2 seconds to toggle between portrait and landscape mode.

In other words they've simply preset what any user can set for themselves. Dual use of the buttons in this way, and using one to switch modes, is easily set in the buttons settings. :)

[whydidnt]

The file's still there. I was just able to pull it up and view it. It does require you have Adobe Acrobrat Reader installed to see it.

[whydidnt]

In other words they've simply preset what any user can set for themselves. Dual use of the buttons in this way, and using one to switch modes, is easily set in the buttons settings. :)

Actually, I think that function has only been available with third party software normally. Neither my 2215 or X30 have that option, unless I'm totally missing it in the button setting dialog.

[Mike Temporale]

Man! Who told them that case design is good-looking?

Agreed. Compared to the previous iPAQ's, these new models are not as "easy on the eyes". :(

[Duncan]

In other words they've simply preset what any user can set for themselves. Dual use of the buttons in this way, and using one to switch modes, is easily set in the buttons settings. :)

Actually, I think that function has only been available with third party software normally. Neither my 2215 or X30 have that option, unless I'm totally missing it in the button setting dialog.

Ah - it is present as a feature in the Loox 610 and the new Loox 720 - so I assumed it was present in all Pocket PCs

[dlangton]

It's something that used to be present in most PocketPC's. For instance, my Jornada 567 has that capability built-in.

[Leon]

Does anyone know how this HP ProtectTools work?
From the manual:
"If you forget both your PIN/password and question/answer, there is no way to unlock your device. You will have to reset it, resulting in loss of all data on your Pocket PC, including data stored in iPAQ File Store."
:confused totally: Losing File Store after a hard reset?

Another quote:
"Select whether to keep security after a hard reset.
Note: It is recommended that you select this option to ensure that
the data stored in your iPAQ Pocket PC remains secure after a
hard reset."
:confused totally: Now all data is secure after a hard reset?

[bbarker]

In other words they've simply preset what any user can set for themselves. Dual use of the buttons in this way, and using one to switch modes, is easily set in the buttons settings. :)

Actually, I think that function has only been available with third party software normally. Neither my 2215 or X30 have that option, unless I'm totally missing it in the button setting dialog.

Ah - it is present as a feature in the Loox 610 and the new Loox 720 - so I assumed it was present in all Pocket PCs
It's available in Jornada 540 and 560 series models. But, of course, the iPaq team was too proud to implement anything from the Jornada after the merger.

[Deus]

I too get errors saying the file is corrupt when i go to look at the manual

[powerbook17]

if you can't see the ati controller in the pic here's a closer look
http://iusedreamweaver.250free.com/Picture-2.jpg
As you can see it is definatly an Ati logo

[jpjehu]

does the ati controller mean that it will perform better than other vga ppcs at this point? does the picture reflect that it will actually have a separate video processor?

[felixdd]

Man! Who told them that case design is good-looking? I think this new line of devices looks like something out of the 1970s. Ugh!
I think partly why it's designed like this is to make it look symmetrical when used in landscape mode.

That said, I still think there are better ways of achieving that than the designs that HP came up with.

[Kati Compton]

I think partly why it's designed like this is to make it look symmetrical when used in landscape mode.

That said, I still think there are better ways of achieving that than the designs that HP came up with.
Nah - just have duplicate application buttons (maybe flipped on the landscape horizontal axis, and I think it'd look great. ;)

Really, if I'm going to use a device in landscape a lot, I'd like to hold it with two hands. But I'd like to be able to do something functional (with the device) with both too.

[that dan guy]

hey when is this thing supposed to come out? I think that having an ati chip for video processing is really cool.

danno

[Jonathan1]

Man! Who told them that case design is good-looking?

Agreed. Compared to the previous iPAQ's, these new models are not as "easy on the eyes". :(

Well it all depends on who you talk to. One person’s ugly is another’s work of art. As has been stated before the 4700 has more in common with the Jornada of old then the iPaq line and I’m all for having such a model as long as they also have the sexy form factor that has become popular on the iPaq line. I mean for the love of god they just released a crap load of new devices. At the very least they could have kept ONE the same as the old iPaq 4xxx. I personally like a dark motif for the shell. I’ve never been a fan of silver. IMHO it’s overkill in the looks department. Also it should be noted that my birthday is September 27th if anyone wants to get me one. ;) J/K. I really need to play with one of these system before I commit. (IMHO I think this is partly what is keeping Dell from being #1.) I can’t decide if this thing is going to be too large for me or not.

[sapibobo]

hey when is this thing supposed to come out? I think that having an ati chip for video processing is really cool.

danno

There's nothing new with that ATI video controller.
Toshiba E800/805 already have the same chip, the ATI Imageon 3220 Graphics Controller, months before.

The new thing here is HP apparently left Nvidia and change the graphics controller manufacturer to ATI.
AFAIK all previous IPAQ uses the same QMedia Graphics Controller from NVidia.

[ricoks]

Does that stylus look like the same as the 2200???

I held mine up to the screen, and it appears so!!

what do you all think?

[ricoks]

You know what else just popped into my head!

the flip cover, if you want to call it that, seems to use a similar attaching method that the old Palm V/Vx used. This would mean that aftermarket cases may be able to use it as a mounting point/way.
make sense?
I had a Vx, and loved the hard case that it had. It used the silo on the left side, and kept is safe.
Ryan

[DrtyBlvd]

hey when is this thing supposed to come out?
danno

HP (UK) Informed me yesterday that mine is due w/c 6th September :D

You know what else just popped into my head! The flip cover, if you want to call it that, seems to use a similar attaching method that the old Palm V/Vx used.
Ryan

Not sure what the Palm v used, but this one looks the same as the ones on the jackets for the 55 series - the ones you can swap sides on?

[Stake]

I looked through the manual and didn't see much other than the standard PPC information. I was happy to see that a lot of third party applications were included in the ROM.

This will probably be my next PDA for various reasons but I only hesitate on one condition and that is the touchpad. I'm curious to see what effect it has on games/emulators. I missed out on the preorder special over at ecost.com but I'd like to feel it in my hands first before I commit to it. Otherwise, everything else is pretty much everything I'm looking for. There's a good chance it may replace my laptop for certain daily tasks.

Size concerns aren't there for me only because based on what I know from the specs, my Toshiba e550G is almost the same size as the 4700 only slightly taller and maybe a millimeter thicker. I don't mind it since it has a replaceable battery and wireless components builtin. It's not exactly pocketable but maybe a belt case is in order. If Sprint would release a decent Bluetooth phone (Moto V710, hint, hint), that would be, in my mind, the best pairing of PDA and all round wireless access.

I hope it reaches the street by the end of August cause the waiting is killing me.. :mrgreen:

[badbob001]

does the ati controller mean that it will perform better than other vga ppcs at this point? does the picture reflect that it will actually have a separate video processor?

This ATI controller doesn't appear to be new and has been used in some other devices already (I think the same one is in the Toshiba e800). According to the benchmarks on this page (http://www.int13.net/gxmark_results.htm), devices with external video controllers tend to be slower for current games, probably due to the slow bus between the controller and memory / CPU. Too bad it's not the ATI 2300 chip that can run Quake accelerated (link (http://pocketmatrix.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14594)) or the ATI W4200 in the Tapware Zodiac.

Are we back to the 16bit CPU days with slow video speeds? Are they going to introduce a PocketPC VESA Localbus next? And then PocketPC AGP?

[badbob001]

You know what else just popped into my head!

the flip cover, if you want to call it that, seems to use a similar attaching method that the old Palm V/Vx used. This would mean that aftermarket cases may be able to use it as a mounting point/way.
make sense?
I had a Vx, and loved the hard case that it had. It used the silo on the left side, and kept is safe.
Ryan

From the pictures in the manual and the CNET video, it appears that the flipcover edge that connects to the device is at a 90 degrees bend and is fixed. This would mean that you can't bend the cover around like the one on the Palm V or some Sony devices. Is it 1998 again? (Palm III (http://www.firingsquad.com/media/article_image.asp?fs_article_id=1372&pic_id=03)).

I suppose someone will come out with a soft edge flipcover to replace it.

[DrtyBlvd]

badbob001 - You might be right there - but if the side is long enough / flexible enough, we might get away with it :)

[Deus]

I looked through the manual and didn't see much other than the standard PPC information. I was happy to see that a lot of third party applications were included in the ROM.

This will probably be my next PDA for various reasons but I only hesitate on one condition and that is the touchpad. I'm curious to see what effect it has on games/emulators. I missed out on the preorder special over at ecost.com but I'd like to feel it in my hands first before I commit to it. Otherwise, everything else is pretty much everything I'm looking for. There's a good chance it may replace my laptop for certain daily tasks.

Size concerns aren't there for me only because based on what I know from the specs, my Toshiba e550G is almost the same size as the 4700 only slightly taller and maybe a millimeter thicker. I don't mind it since it has a replaceable battery and wireless components builtin. It's not exactly pocketable but maybe a belt case is in order. If Sprint would release a decent Bluetooth phone (Moto V710, hint, hint), that would be, in my mind, the best pairing of PDA and all round wireless access.

I hope it reaches the street by the end of August cause the waiting is killing me.. :mrgreen:


Soon my friend. I have the T608 w\Sprint for Bluetooth but it isn't impressive at all. This however is on its way from Sprint

LG 325

http://www.sprintpcsinfo.com/articles/536/lg325.jpg

[bookemdano]

In US, HP claims it wil be available Sept 9.
CDW just told me yesterday the ETA for my unit is Aug 25, for what that is worth.

And just to weigh in, when I saw the screen shots it never occcured to me that it wasn't pretty enough. I was interested in the usability.

[bookemdano]

Does any of this mean the hx4700 is officially FCC approved?

[bookemdano]

Does any of this mean the hx4700 is officially FCC approved?

Answering my own question-
According to this article, yes- it has been approved.

http://www.brighthand.com/article/Release_Date_for_iPAQ_hx4705_Pushed_Back

And, interestingly, HP claims they would have release the hx4700 when they announced but they can't get enough LCDs, and that is why they delayed until Sept 9.

[whydidnt]

And, interestingly, HP claims they would have release the hx4700 when they announced but they can't get enough LCDs, and that is why they delayed until Sept 9.

These types of claims always seem odd to me. :roll: If they couldn't get "enough" LCD's why don't they just ship devices with the ones they have received? What advantage is there to holding some already manufactured devices in inventory?

[bookemdano]

And, interestingly, HP claims they would have release the hx4700 when they announced but they can't get enough LCDs, and that is why they delayed until Sept 9.

These types of claims always seem odd to me. :roll: If they couldn't get "enough" LCD's why don't they just ship devices with the ones they have received? What advantage is there to holding some already manufactured devices in inventory?

I would much rather they release the ones they have but I can see how much it would make people made if they said they were available but no one could get them.

[ctmagnus]

Plus, all the Ebayers would make a killing selling high-end items that are in short supply. Money that HP would much rather have themselves.

[whydidnt]

Plus, all the Ebayers would make a killing selling high-end items that are in short supply. Money that HP would much rather have themselves.

HP makes the same amount on each unit, regardless of what the purchaser does with it. If HP sells it for $600 and I sell it for $700, they still get their $600. Someone selling these on Ebay should have little to no relevance to HP's decision.

[DHILL]

I think the limited inventory makes sense. They seem to be selling it on the Canadian HP shopping site. It would make sense to sell the existing inventory to a smaller market and wait until there is enough to sell in a larger market like the US. Also, how would you determine which large HP resellers would get orders filled first? Delay it for everyone. I'm unhappy that they would announce the HX-4700 in July and still not have it on store shelves by late August. Poor planning. The delay may cause some to buy another PPC if HP does not get things moving.

[Ed Hansberry]

Man! Who told them that case design is good-looking? I think this new line of devices looks like something out of the 1970s. Ugh!
Agreed. I'll be enjoying my iPAQ 2215 for some time to come.

[Will T Smith]

You know what else just popped into my head!

the flip cover, if you want to call it that, seems to use a similar attaching method that the old Palm V/Vx used. This would mean that aftermarket cases may be able to use it as a mounting point/way.
make sense?
I had a Vx, and loved the hard case that it had. It used the silo on the left side, and kept is safe.
Ryan

From the pictures in the manual and the CNET video, it appears that the flipcover edge that connects to the device is at a 90 degrees bend and is fixed. This would mean that you can't bend the cover around like the one on the Palm V or some Sony devices. Is it 1998 again? (Palm III (http://www.firingsquad.com/media/article_image.asp?fs_article_id=1372&pic_id=03)).

I suppose someone will come out with a soft edge flipcover to replace it.

I makes a lot of things possible. A LOT of aftermarket solutions could be developed with the addition of two little funny holes on the side.

[seaflipper]

Anyone else notice that the 9/25/2004 docs are now gone?

Ooops on the FCC, somebody messed up big time. Glad I downloaded them all

:lol: