Verizon Finally Selling Bluetooth Phone

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=1570' target='_blank'>http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...tedPhoneId=1570</a><br /><br /></div>In case you didn't notice, Verizon quietly released the Motorola V710, its first readily-available 1xRTT Bluetooth phone, last week.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20040721-MotoV710.jpg" /><br /><br />I've been reading the boards for mini-reviews, and as far as I can tell, the biggest criticism is that it only supports a limited set of Bluetooth profiles -- primarily enabling headset and modem support -- and specifically not supporting OBEX. This is apparently to allow Verizon to maintain a monopoly on ringtones and other mini-addons (via their "Get It Now" service) for their phones. Nevertheless, if Bluetooth is what you've been waiting for on Verizon, now's the time to get it. 8)

[mrkablooey]

glad i went with cingular and a v600. they let me use bluetooth as if i paid for it. :wink:

[Gremmie]

One problem bluetooth has had is deviation from the standard. Many devices don't support or have problems supporting all profiles. I know the IEEE is starting to crack down on WiFi makers who support 802.11x and their brand specific protocols. Bluetooth is becoming less of a standard as they allow devices to deviate.

[OSUKid7]

Ah, glad I switched to T-Mobile. Service is better (for me anyway), phone is cheaper, and free GPRS (for now anyway ;)).

[DaleReeck]

Yeah, I really don't get the OBEX disabling part. You can still add ringtones and those sort of things via a USB cable or one of those transflash cards. So you can still download to the phone, all they did was make it slightly more annoying. It makes no sense at all.

[spontaneous]

I picked up v710 when it was released and been trying to transfer photos and ringtones through usb cable, but was not successful. As stated in the previous post, you can transfer the files using transflash card.(with SD adapter)
I love the phone, it's the best phone I've ever used. It's clear and voice dialing without having to train works great.
The fact that OBEX is interntionally disabled even though it's supported by the device quite upsets me though..

[gorkon280]

What I simply can't believe is that they think that it's worth 250. I know it's a new phone and all, but when lower end phones have had this on other carriers for a while and Verizon and Motorola are treating it like Bluetooth is something shiney and new yet Verizon subscribers have been clamoring for it. I am going to save about 200 and go to T-Mobile and save 80-90 a month. Verizon.....at some point, the superior network is GOING to be moot. That time, for me, is now. BUH-BYE.

[Janak Parekh]

What I simply can't believe is that they think that it's worth 250. I know it's a new phone and all, but when lower end phones have had this on other carriers for a while and Verizon and Motorola are treating it like Bluetooth is something shiney and new yet Verizon subscribers have been clamoring for it. I am going to save about 200 and go to T-Mobile and save 80-90 a month. Verizon.....at some point, the superior network is GOING to be moot. That time, for me, is now. BUH-BYE.
New phones on Verizon's network are typically expensive. This is a pretty high-end phone for Verizon: it has a 1.3MP camera, to boot. Remember, this is the company that still charges $599 for an i700, $499 for an i600, and $449 for a Treo 600 -- and those are 2-year contract prices. If only their service wasn't so good. :|

--janak

[freitasm]

One problem bluetooth has had is deviation from the standard. Many devices don't support or have problems supporting all profiles. I know the IEEE is starting to crack down on WiFi makers who support 802.11x and their brand specific protocols. Bluetooth is becoming less of a standard as they allow devices to deviate.

This is a misconception :? . Manufacturers have to implement profiles in a standard way, but are not required to implement all profiles. The Bluetooth SIG only certifiy products that implement the profiles as defined by the standard, and there are frequent "Unplug Fest" where manufacturers can test interoperability of their devices with other manufacturer's devices.

Implementing a profile is optional and is purely a manufacturer decision. However some profiles require other profiles, for example the majority of current profiles will required Device Discovery, and so on. Most mobile phones will not implement OBEX File Transfer because mobile operators want to keep sucking $$$ out of users.

Some have very good functionality, like the Sony Ericsson Z1010 and K700.

[tospappy]

I read through the Verizon site and did not see any indication that the phone is National Access capable. Where is the spec on being 1xrt capable.

Thanks

[Raphael Salgado]

As a new owner of a Motorola V710, I've been reading up and down on the Temporary V710 Discussion on HowardForums.com, and it appears that a new firmware will be available on September 1 which will apparently add the full Bluetooth capabilities.

It appears to be another case of rushing the device to market, though from the enduser's perspective, this was way overdue. There are some apparent bugs in the phone, nothing that I can't deal with or notice though others may, but I am very happy with my purchase.

IMHO, the high cost of the phone is purely based on corporate greed. Verizon Wireless customers are basically the last to receive the latest technology, while every new device seems to be aimed at T-Mobile, where they'll take just about any compatible device and throw it on their network. Verizon Wireless has defended their stance with the fact that they perform the most rigorous testing; however, many will tend to disagree with examples such as the horrible Motorola T720. Going back to the "greed" concept, they knew we were dying for a chance to move forward, and I anticipated a retail price of about $250-299. If I was Verizon Wireless and watched the forums on HowardForums and PhoneScoop explode with anticipation, I'd be inclined to throw an extra $20 on top of the price as well.

Just an FYI, I purchased my phone from the Woodbridge Corporate Store in Woodbridge, NJ, after visiting the store manager in person and contacting him afterwards via email to request that he hold one for me on the release date (August 11) by the time I get home from work. When I came in, mine was the only one left they had in the store, and they reportedly had over 100 sold that day. At $319+ a pop (some likely paid full non-contract price at $419), you can see it was a good day for them. Don't forget the accessories, phone insurance, and new agreements signed up as well.

So, my final purchase price was $319.99 and a $70 4-6 weeks mail-in rebate with the activation of a 2-year agreement that is subject to a $175 non-prorated early termination fee, another concept highly overpriced altogether.

The major gripe is the touted 1.2 megapixel camera. It downright stinks. Most V710 were built with the apparent flaw of the camera being slightly tilted - mine exhibits the same. You'd have to tilt your hand slightly to get a level shot. Forget indoors, this camera will only work well outdoors, as it picks up a lot of dark noise with rooms lacking sufficient light. And the integrated "flash" light is doesn't flash, it's just a brilliant light that really is more useful for finding lost items under the bed.

File transfer via USB cable is not yet possible, and Motorola is apparently addressing that issue with either the new firmware coming, or the update of their optional BVRP Motorola mobile Phone Tools software. The only way I've been able to get pictures, ringtones, and video off and on the phone is by means of the SanDisk TransFlash memory cards that sell now in Radio Shack for $69.99 (128MB), and preordered as low as $32 (128MB) in eCOST, Amazon, Buy.com, BluetoothHeadsets.com, and other online retailers.

No Mobile IM yet, unless you want to do it SMS-style with the numerical codes to refresh buddy list, sign on, etc. A free BREW app through Get It Now should hopefully arrive soon for this phone, but there's no mention of it yet.

If anyone is familiar with the Voice Signal software that premiered on the Samsung i700 PocketPC Phone also through Verizon Wireless, you'll be happy to know the same technology is in the Motorola V710. With my Motorola HS810 Bluetooth headset, I tap the function button, and my connected V710 responds, "Say a command." I respond, "Digit Dial." "Say the number," is the V710's response. I reply with the number without pausing between digits, and it dials away. You can even launch the camera by saying, "Camera," but it doesn't seem to snap the picture without you actually pressing the button.

Lastly, this phone is National Access capable, like all of Verizon Wireless' latest phones, and able to get on to the Express Network via USB cable or Bluetooth. Paired with a bluetooth dongle on my Sony VAIO VGN-U70/P, I've gone uberportable in a flash.

Overall, I'm satisfied with the product, and I'd like it even more if and when a firmware update or software update comes out shortly.

For detailed technical specs, check out http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=475.

[EnderTheThird]

It looks like a nice phone, and I would love to have the Bluetooth capabilities with my PPC. But, at $420, I just don't have the money for that. If by the end of the year it falls to $300 or less, then I'll definitely look into buying one if I have the extra $$ floating around. Until then, I'll just have to stick with my LG 6000, which I can live with. I'm sure BT would be great at first, but after a while the novelty wears off and it's just easier than using a cable and that's about it. I just can't justify $420 for a phone that shouldn't cost more than $200 IMO. I spent $380 on Ebay for my HP iPAQ h4155, and that came with 2.5 years left on the Best Buy service agreement. Oh well, just gotta wait until the end of the year or be like a normal person and wait until another year from December when my contract is up. I guess I'll see what happens. Maybe I'll win the lotto....

[The_Angel]

Regarding the Moto 710, I am a Verizon Employee. New though, only about a month. before that I sold Sprint PCS, Cingular and T-Mobile.

as far as phones and pricing goes the 710 is actually reasonably priced for the features that it has. 1.2 MP Digital Camera w/flash, MP3 Player, Enhanced Voice Dial, High Quality Speaker Phone, Video Recording (playback and messaging, Web 2.0. While I have read that there are bugs, I know most of those were in the Radio Shack released phones. This phone is not perfect, and unfortunately Motorola has a super bad track record for CDMA and especially Verizon phones. I can say that Verizon users are clammoring for this phone. As an employee I had to order mine, had to wait til this weekend at that, and now I wait.

Those users having problems syncing and loading to their PCs need to know to get Motorola Phone Tools 2.0 from the Motorola Web Site, it makes all the difference.

BTW this is a 1xrtt phone as well as Tri-Mode.

My main complaint is the spongey buttons. But we'll see.

See you in the stores.

[gorkon280]

I believe it is 1x capable. I once had a Verizon employee tell me that all their phones can do 1XRTT. That was one year ago.

[ADBrown]

as far as phones and pricing goes the 710 is actually reasonably priced for the features that it has. 1.2 MP Digital Camera w/flash, MP3 Player, Enhanced Voice Dial, High Quality Speaker Phone, Video Recording (playback and messaging, Web 2.0.

Reasonably priced? Obviously this is some new version of the word reasonable that I'm unfamiliar with. A roughly comparable GSM phone, the v600, is available with new service from T-Mobile or AT&amp;T for FREE after rebates. Granted that the v710 has a few improvements like a better camera and video recording, but nothing that is, in my opinion, worth even in the $250 range. The only reason Verizon gets away with charging this is because they've got the most coverage, giving them a virtual monopoly on a large chunk of the market.

[Gen-M]

Why won't Verizon release a phone without a camera but with Bluetooth?
I am not allowed cameras at work. :roll: Besides - who wants a camera under 3.2 megapixels anyway?

[mrkablooey]

What I simply can't believe is that they think that it's worth 250. I know it's a new phone and all, but when lower end phones have had this on other carriers for a while and Verizon and Motorola are treating it like Bluetooth is something shiney and new yet Verizon subscribers have been clamoring for it. I am going to save about 200 and go to T-Mobile and save 80-90 a month. Verizon.....at some point, the superior network is GOING to be moot. That time, for me, is now. BUH-BYE.

v600 is going for $249-299 (before rebates) so the price isn't that far off... but with the rebates it is.

[mrkablooey]

I'm sure BT would be great at first, but after a while the novelty wears off and it's just easier than using a cable and that's about it.

Depends.

While there's some button-tapping to setup a OBEX transfer or bluetooth modem connection, using it with a bluetooth headset is simple. With my v600, if the headset is on and within range, the phone and headset automatically pair. I leave the headset in the car most of the time, so when I get in the car, it pairs with the phone. All I have to do is put it in my ear. Don't even have to take the phone off my belt, it's all done auto-magically. :wink:

[rburleyson]

Has anyone tried to pair the phone with a PPC? Does Verizon have instructions for connecting to thier network? And is Verizon's unlimited data plan the only option available for PPC? :?:

[DaleReeck]

What I simply can't believe is that they think that it's worth 250. I know it's a new phone and all, but when lower end phones have had this on other carriers for a while and Verizon and Motorola are treating it like Bluetooth is something shiney and new yet Verizon subscribers have been clamoring for it. I am going to save about 200 and go to T-Mobile and save 80-90 a month. Verizon.....at some point, the superior network is GOING to be moot. That time, for me, is now. BUH-BYE.

v600 is going for $249-299 (before rebates) so the price isn't that far off... but with the rebates it is.

Exactly. While the metalic-feeling build quality of the V600 is superior IMO vs the plastic-ky feel of the V710, the feature set of the V710 is much better, especially with voice dial and speakerphone implementation. You are not going to get a phone like this for free or for a few bucks.

[Paul P]

TransFlash? What happened to MiniSD?

[Raphael Salgado]

Has anyone tried to pair the phone with a PPC? Does Verizon have instructions for connecting to thier network? And is Verizon's unlimited data plan the only option available for PPC? :?:

I have an iPAQ h1940 and have successfully paired and dialed out to my V710 via Bluetooth and was able to surf just as flawlessly as my Sony U70.

I set the Bluetooth Settings as a modem at 115.2k, don't wait for dial tone, and used #777 as the dial-up number to Verizon Wireless' integrated ISP, username [email protected] (use your 10-digit wireless number without dashes), password vzw, and turned off software and IP header compression.

Works great with Pocket IE, NetFront, and ThunderHawk.

I don't have any data package plan with my V710, either as a standalone or an add-on. I am able to surf against my available minutes, which is a great plus (and likely a requirement) if you have the National Access plan. Coupled with an "unlimited free nights and weekends" plan, you probably see the potential at this point.

I believe the whole idea that this could be done sparked in the PDAPhoneHome.com i700 forums, when someone switched from a standard 1XRTT phone to the then-new i700 PocketPC phone.

Apparently, the standard Verizon phones that have the Get It Now! feature use the same Express Network connection to download everything, and you're billed for the airtime as well as the cost of any game, application, ringtone, etc. you purchase.

Upon further inspection, the famous billing code EN-MOU $0.00 (Express Network - Minutes On Use) code is (or can be) added to all the National Access plans.

I haven't seen or heard of anyone getting erroneous or outrageous billing incidents for using this feature (dare I say "loophole"), but the idea is pretty much the same as Cingular's ability to connect their V600s to their PPC/laptop for a GPRS connection, and SprintPCS's apparent ability as well - "use, don't abuse," and you can enjoy the additional benefits of data on your phone without a specific data plan.

AT&T Wireless is the only wireless service provider that specifically states in fine print that "tethering" your wireless phone to another device is subject to a cost of $1/MB, regardless if you purchase the new Unlimited mMode plan. They require you to buy a data plan if you want to surf without staring at the phone's browser. Thankfully, I canceled that contract just after two days.

As for the 128MB TransFlash card I bought at Radio Shack, it's unbelievably tiny and includes the SD adapter. Perhaps MiniSD was simply renamed to TransFlash - I don't know. I actually don't have the luxury of a USB flash reader - never had the need - so I transferred everything I wanted over to my iPAQ via ActiveSync, then popped in the TransFlash into the SD adapter, then into my iPAQ. Copied everything over and then placed the TransFlash back in my V710 (power needs to be off - no hotswapping the memory card on the V710, as strange results or reboots will occur!).

I've got about a dozen MP3s for fun, a bunch more for ringtones, and pictures and videos I can view on my PCs. Not a bad feature until the OBEX file transfer will hopefully be enabled.

[thunderck]

Why won't Verizon release a phone without a camera but with Bluetooth?
I am not allowed cameras at work. :roll: Besides - who wants a camera under 3.2 megapixels anyway?

It is all about competitive advantage. GPRS networks are slower than 1X networks. Carriers with slower data have to use cheaper prices and cheaper data service to bring consumers in. Verizon and Sprint are playing for corporate uses that will pay the high prices for faster service anyway. :?

Oh... and VZW and Sprint don't want us Techies sucking up bandwidth. So if they cannot control data use they will not deliver it. Sprint pulled data cables support off their web site and stores because they had no way of telling if the phone traffic was from the phone interface or content coming through a data cable. Since you use more data through the data cable or "Bluetooth" Sprint or Verizon would not offer it unless they could charge for the increased data use. Call it business 'greed' however wireless divisions have only been turning a profit in the last year or so and have large debt due to spectrum prices and considering all the competition at this point consumers are not getting gouge, all things being equal.

[OSUKid7]

TransFlash? What happened to MiniSD?It's still around, but SanDisk has created TransFlash to be used in cellphones (much smaller).

Perhaps MiniSD was simply renamed to TransFlash - I don't know.Nope, two different things.

I was in San Jose, CA at NYLF/Tech (http://www.nylf.org/tech/) in the end of July/beginning of August, and was able to tour the SanDisk headquarters. Here's a picture of all of their types of flash memory. The lighting wasn't great on the top, so I lightened it up a bit:

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/media/users/12845/Flash%20Media.jpg

The two at the top-left are TransFlash, and the next one to the right is MiniSD.

[Gen-M]

Why won't Verizon release a phone without a camera but with Bluetooth?
I am not allowed cameras at work. :roll: Besides - who wants a camera under 3.2 megapixels anyway?

It is all about competitive advantage. GPRS networks are slower than 1X networks. Carriers with slower data have to use cheaper prices and cheaper data service to bring consumers in. Verizon and Sprint are playing for corporate uses that will pay the high prices for faster service anyway. :?

Oh... and VZW and Sprint don't want us Techies sucking up bandwidth. So if they cannot control data use they will not deliver it. Sprint pulled data cables support off their web site and stores because they had no way of telling if the phone traffic was from the phone interface or content coming through a data cable. Since you use more data through the data cable or "Bluetooth" Sprint or Verizon would not offer it unless they could charge for the increased data use. Call it business 'greed' however wireless divisions have only been turning a profit in the last year or so and have large debt due to spectrum prices and considering all the competition at this point consumers are not getting gouge, all things being equal.

I don't buy it - I understand the bandwidth rationale - but that went out the window as soon as they offered a BT phone. My question is "Why force cameras on buyers that do not want / can not have them?" This is just plain lost business.

[thunderck]

I don't buy it - I understand the bandwidth rationale - but that went out the window as soon as they offered a BT phone. My question is "Why force cameras on buyers that do not want / can not have them?" This is just plain lost business.

How is BT any diff than Serial Data Cable for creating an internet connection? And therefore how has the data issue gone out the window with BT. It is or at lease has been a data issue. Perhaps Verizon at this point has resolved their data use issues and will now offer this Loop-hole you speak of w/o cracking down on it in the future. I sure hope so and if that is the case I will be signing up. :mrgreen:

[OSUKid7]

I don't buy it - I understand the bandwidth rationale - but that went out the window as soon as they offered a BT phone. My question is "Why force cameras on buyers that do not want / can not have them?" This is just plain lost business.Look at it this way: until now, they haven't offered ANY bluetooth phones. If you wanted them to offer both a bluetooth pone with a camera and one without at the same time, they would have had to delay offering them for even longer. Now think about that - is that gonna get Verizon any more customers? I don't think so. It's better to offer something that a few customers want than to offer nothing and still have customers complain.

[thunderck]

They do offer the troe W/O a camera so verizon does try and fix customer needs. Obviously VZW cannot tailor every device to ever user. If they is a business case that pays or at lease breaks ever they may do it. Right now Cameras do a couple things. Most notable is it encourages data use which increase VZW's per cust average bill amount. I believe VZW has the third highest. I think it goes

Nextel --- way out is front
Sprint
Verizon --Spint and VZW very close though.


My corporate rep at VZW tells me that they run reports on data use and even on i700 and other handhelds if they feel that there is "abuse" VZW will contact the user and require a data plan. :?

Has this happened to anyone??? :|

[whydidnt]

I don't have any data package plan with my V710, either as a standalone or an add-on. I am able to surf against my available minutes, which is a great plus (and likely a requirement) if you have the National Access plan. Coupled with an "unlimited free nights and weekends" plan, you probably see the potential at this point.

Upon further inspection, the famous billing code EN-MOU $0.00 (Express Network - Minutes On Use) code is (or can be) added to all the National Access plans.

I've never been a verizon user, but the capability to use their higher speed network via Bluetooth is quite tempting. Is there something special someon has to do at sign up to get the Express Network - Minutes on Use? Or is that standard fair since they want me to download their games & ringtones?

I'm not interested in replacing my standard broadband connection, but it would be great if I could have fast access while traveling, even if it uses my plan minutes. However, there is very little chance I will pay Verizon's outrageous data plan prices, after using TMobiles $20 all you can eat plan for so long - on top of Verizon's much more expensive voice plans. I'm actually quite pleased with TMobiles coverage, it's been very good for me, but their GPRS access is dog slow almost everywhere I go.

[CoreyJF]

I have been waiting for a bluetooth phone for years. Sine 1994 I have tried Cingular one, ATT, Tmobile, and sprint. Verizon is far in way the best service in the DC metro area. Now that DC has that new headset law, time to upgrade phones and headsets! The price is a bit high, but not unreasonable. As most people on this site realize, you pay more to have the first new toy on the block...

[Raphael Salgado]

AFAIK, as soon as you sign up to a National Access or America's Choice plan with a Get It Now! capable phone, the code EN-MOU is automatically added to your account. So, right from there, you should be able to connect to the Express Network via cable or Bluetooth. Again, it's "use, don't abuse," so I don't plan on pulling the plug from my cable modem anytime soon.

How do companies prohibit the use or possession of camera phones? Do they know every model out there, or are they looking for a lens on the phone itself as you're walking by?

I'm thinking a good solution is to get an opaque or colored label, and cover the lens. Better yet, to make it look "real," you could buy silver-colored labels, find the exact size of the lens, shrink down a circular Motorola logo, print it out, cut it out, and paste it right on top of the lens. :wink:

[VanHlebar]

I just purchased this phone on Friday. Yes I paid an extremely large amount of money for the phone. However, I wanted to have a something that would allow me to have access to my email 100% of the time and to be able to have a wireless headset. I also wanted to be able to have dialing abilities from PI to my phone so that I didn't have to have all my contacts in my phone.

So now I can access all of my email on my Dell X30 using IMAP anytime I want, anywhere I want and all I use is my minutes on my plan. I can even surf the internet while at my kids Dentist appointment. It is slow, but not unbearable.

Is the phone the best, not really and it has its flaws. Coming from my LG400 phone it was still an upgrade of the phone and I get the 2 items that I really wanted. I don't like any of the converged devices yet and until they come out with what I want, I am very comfortable with my v710 and Dell Axim X30.

-Eric

[whydidnt]

So now I can access all of my email on my Dell X30 using IMAP anytime I want, anywhere I want and all I use is my minutes on my plan. I can even surf the internet while at my kids Dentist appointment. It is slow, but not unbearable.


Can you help define Slow - slow as compared to broadband, or slow as compared to typical dial-up? I thought the Express network averaged speeds around 100k, which should seem to be as faster or faster than a dial-up connection.

THANKS.

[Janak Parekh]

Can you help define Slow - slow as compared to broadband, or slow as compared to typical dial-up? I thought the Express network averaged speeds around 100k, which should seem to be as faster or faster than a dial-up connection.
For some reason, IMAP on the Pocket PC is just plain slow, and it's particularly noticeable over any cellular data technology, even 1xRTT. I'm not sure if it's an inefficiency in the IMAP implementation on the Pocket PC, or because I have too many messages in my Inbox, or both.

--janak

[VanHlebar]

Can you help define Slow - slow as compared to broadband, or slow as compared to typical dial-up? I thought the Express network averaged speeds around 100k, which should seem to be as faster or faster than a dial-up connection.
For some reason, IMAP on the Pocket PC is just plain slow, and it's particularly noticeable over any cellular data technology, even 1xRTT. I'm not sure if it's an inefficiency in the IMAP implementation on the Pocket PC, or because I have too many messages in my Inbox, or both.

--janak

As Janak said. It isn't as bad as a dial-up connection, but it isn't as fast as my desktop ADSL connection. The issue speed is just a little slower than my connection via Wifi at my house. The web browsing is about the same as my Wifi connection so I think the issue is with IMAP. I remember having a conversation with Alek at WebIS about this once before during testing of WebIS Mail and the speed issue wasn't an issue with the app, but with where the data was stored and retrieved on my ppc.

-Eric

[The_Angel]

I will not respond to all the gripes about Verizon. I was a Sprint PCS customer for over four years and am thrilled not to have to deal with that sorry a** company anymore. Yes T-Mobile is cheaper than Verizon and yes T-Mobile is a great company, but really you are trying to compare apples to oranges. You can eat either of them but they are both different things.

For you folks curious about VZ data. Get IT Now and Express Network are two completely different things. Get It Now is around 14.4 to 19.9 Express will get you an average throughput of around 56.6 - 110. depending on area, coverage and usage.

Verizon is in EVDO trials and looking to roll it out over larger areas as soon as possible.

BTW Get It Now is standard, Express must be Subscribed to on your plan. So unless you know hacks or subscribe to express network you are getting the 14.4 + on your 710 connection.

[Janak Parekh]

BTW Get It Now is standard, Express must be Subscribed to on your plan. So unless you know hacks or subscribe to express network you are getting the 14.4 + on your 710 connection.
Not necessarily -- GIN uses mobile web/CDMA CSD, which is indeed 14.4kbps, but it does so via a different dial string than Express Network (#7772 vs #777, I believe). I've read many reports of NA-MOU being automatically enabled on America's Choice plans. However, it's supposed to be for picture messaging, not data, and rumors keep on surfacing that Verizon is going to clamp down on heavy NA-MOU data users. As of yet, it hasn't happened, although Verizon's newest handheld devices, with always-on data and Wireless Sync, really are designed for the $44.95 unlimited EN plan.

--janak

[torok]

What I simply can't believe is that they think that it's worth 250. I know it's a new phone and all, but when lower end phones have had this on other carriers for a while and Verizon and Motorola are treating it like Bluetooth is something shiney and new yet Verizon subscribers have been clamoring for it. I am going to save about 200 and go to T-Mobile and save 80-90 a month. Verizon.....at some point, the superior network is GOING to be moot. That time, for me, is now. BUH-BYE.

National Access Minutes Only Used. Match... Point... Set. :D

[spontaneous]

I just found out about #777 trick in this thread and tried it, and it worked! I do not have National Plan, I have one of the old plans 700 anytime 1000 night(8pm-8am)/weekend for $45. I still haven't found any new plans that beats that. I am afraid they will charge the heck out of me for it, so I am just going to use it a little and see what they do on my next bill.
Anyway, I connected to 1x network with h4150/v710 combination, did some throughput testing, I was getting about 80k to 100k. I set up a NetMotion server, basically a vpn with awesome compression, and I was getting about 115k. Not bad at 9PM when everybody and their neighbor's teenage daughters are yakking on the phone. :roll:

[OSUKid7]

I am afraid they will charge the heck out of me for it, so I am just going to use it a little and see what they do on my next bill.Can you check your bill/usage online?

[Janak Parekh]

I am afraid they will charge the heck out of me for it, so I am just going to use it a little and see what they do on my next bill.
Good idea. I *think* they've taken out per-byte charges, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious the first time around.

Anyway, I connected to 1x network with h4150/v710 combination, did some throughput testing, I was getting about 80k to 100k. I set up a NetMotion server, basically a vpn with awesome compression, and I was getting about 115k. Not bad at 9PM when everybody and their neighbor's teenage daughters are yakking on the phone. :roll:
Yes - there's a reason I find 1xRTT so awesome. 8)

--janak