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Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 03:15 AM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=224199&fcc_id=\'NM8HARRIER\'' target='_blank'>https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...=\'NM8HARRIER\'</a><br /><br /></div>A CDMA version of the XDA III/MDA III/CU928, also known as the "HTC Harrier" OEM Pocket PC Phone, looks like it's going to be sold by Verizon, as a Verizon-branded version was just approved by the FCC.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20040809-VerizonXDAIII.jpg" /><br /><br />From the <a href="https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=458171&native_or_pdf=pdf">manual</a>, it's listed as being a dual-band 800/1900MHz CDMA (presumably no analog) device having a 400MHz PXA263 XScale, 128MB, QVGA, 640x480 VGA camera, retractable QWERTY thumbboard and Bluetooth. <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29114">Previous announcements</a> of similar HTC units also suggest WiFi, although it's not listed in the brief documentation. If Verizon keeps Bluetooth and WiFi on this thing, I can safely say that this <i>will</i> be my next Pocket PC Phone. :D

David C
08-10-2004, 03:21 AM
Looks like this is the same device that Spint will carry. It is going to branded by Audiovox. Last time I talke to the Audiovox rep, there is no wifi, only Bluetooth.

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 03:26 AM
Looks like this is the same device that Spint will carry. It is going to branded by Audiovox. Last time I talke to the Audiovox rep, there is no wifi, only Bluetooth.
Interesting. :| There's always something missing, isn't there?

I get the feeling that the Sprint version will be branded Audiovox, but not the Verizon version... but we'll see.

--janak

arebelspy
08-10-2004, 03:39 AM
I'll have to go with the GSM version (or what for the MDA IV, rumored for early next year with a better processor and VGA screen), TMobile's free unlimited GPRS is the only internet plan I can afford to stomach..

What's Verizon and Sprint's data plans costing (for unlimited) these days anyways?

-arebelspy

SteveNYC
08-10-2004, 03:50 AM
What's Verizon and Sprint's data plans costing (for unlimited) these days anyways?Verizon's unlimited data plan is $45/month with a qualifying voice plan of $39/month or more. Otherwise, it's $50/month.

Also, the unlimited data plan includes Verizon's new Wireless Sync offering which is pretty sweet.

Not cheap by any stretch. But hey... if you want a signal..... :mrgreen:

tourdewolf
08-10-2004, 03:50 AM
It's not the data plan that is the problem, for me it is justifying the cost of this thing, based on MDA II prices this thing will be the same price as a new Tablet PC. Granted I will probably find a way to pony-up but good grief it seems the sky's the limit on these MDA phones. How much should we have to pay to carry one, instead of two devices? I mean a 4155 is going for ~329 and with contract a SE T616 is giving ~150 back into our pocket making the cost of the setup lest than 200 for basically the same functionality. Convienence is a choice commodity it seems. &lt;climbs down from soap box> :roll:

shanipaqman
08-10-2004, 04:01 AM
Do you guys honestly think Sprint will pull off a new pocket pc phone/pda?

I've been waiting forever, and don't care what it's missing, as long as I can combine what I'm doing now into a "decent" pda/phone.

What are your thoughts on how long it will take before we see something like this hit the market?
thanks

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 04:05 AM
Do you guys honestly think Sprint will pull off a new pocket pc phone/pda?
I hope so! I have no confirmations, though, for either carrier... yet. This is just one step towards an official announcement.

What are your thoughts on how long it will take before we see something like this hit the market?
Rumors for Verizon have said before the end of the year. Some have even said September. But at this point, I think it's too early to get a definitive date, and Verizon is notorious for letting release dates slip.

--janak

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 04:06 AM
Not cheap by any stretch. But hey... if you want a signal..... :mrgreen:
1xRTT is also fast. It makes a night-and-day difference from GPRS. That said, Verizon is typically the "expensive" provider amongst all the US carriers.

--janak

hopeful797
08-10-2004, 04:40 AM
any word on if it will support blackberry messages?

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 04:54 AM
any word on if it will support blackberry messages?
My guess is it'll support Verizon's new Wireless Sync platform, which is Blackberry-like; all of their connected handhelds now support it (Treo 600, Kyo 7135, i700, i600).

--janak

Deus
08-10-2004, 04:56 AM
Looks like this is the same device that Spint will carry. It is going to branded by Audiovox. Last time I talke to the Audiovox rep, there is no wifi, only Bluetooth.

Sprint will carry this??? Any links to this info? I must have missed it!

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 05:30 AM
Sprint will carry this??? Any links to this info? I must have missed it!
That's the rumor (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29383). :)

David C
08-10-2004, 06:55 AM
Do you guys honestly think Sprint will pull off a new pocket pc phone/pda?

Yes. Sprint will, for sures. Probably 1Q of 2005. It’s already part of the internal marketing communication. . Of course, provided that they don’t pull the plug on it like the PPC550.

Furthermore, Sprint will finally get a WM2003 version of the Samsung i700, as well as the Samsung i600 Smartphone in about a month.

And, if you care, Sprint will get 2 BT enabled phone by the end of this year.

ADBrown
08-10-2004, 08:35 AM
But hey... if you want a signal..... :mrgreen:

And are willing to pay by the testicle for it...

4ru
08-10-2004, 09:59 AM
Currently I’m not sure about a GSM/GPRS version codename…
Blue Angel or not?
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-blue-angel.shtml
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-blue-angel-live.shtml

Review will be soon translate into English…

Ryan Joseph
08-10-2004, 12:17 PM
CDMA? Shoot.

I saw the picture and got all excited thinking someone was finally bringing this device to the US...but it's Verizon?

Darn...I need it to be GSM for T-Mobile's free Internet. Does this mean that the GSM version will be further delayed? Or doesn't it affect the GSM release? It would seem a little weird for multiple carriers to offer the same device. Interesting.

Sigh...I've waited this long, right? What's a few more months? :mrgreen:

cludwig
08-10-2004, 01:06 PM
Yes, 1xRTT is fast.. but if you look real close, you'll notice a sticker on the back of one of the units in the FCC sample photos thats says "EVDO"... Now THAT's FAST! :multi:

It seems a shame to have such a high speed connection / processor without a VGA screen. Of course at that speed I think the limiting factor (for browsing at least) will be BitStreams proxy servers for Thunderhawk.

Not cheap by any stretch. But hey... if you want a signal..... :mrgreen:
1xRTT is also fast. It makes a night-and-day difference from GPRS. That said, Verizon is typically the "expensive" provider amongst all the US carriers.

--janak

OneAngryDwarf
08-10-2004, 02:13 PM
You know I'm sure that Sprint's internet capabilities are much better/faster than gprs but that is in theory. I had Sprint for quite a while in Kansas City (I live about a mile from their world headquarters). Here's the thing... the connec i got on it was sketchy at best... maybe on its best day it is faster than my t-mo internet access but that wasn't very often. I can't speak for all places around the country but I feel I can speak for Sprints home town and tell you they are the worst mobile carrier in the world. Switched and have never been happier.

maximum360
08-10-2004, 02:37 PM
I had T-Mobile for a full year with GPRS. Compared to Verizon it's definitely a bit slower (some days frustratingly slow).

T-Mobile = On foot.

Verizon = Biking.

The big mistake is that there's still no VGA Phone edition device on the market yet. Also, the cut backs are not appreciated (especially memory). The only thing this new device has over the i700 is a new/faster processor, EvDO, and an extra measly 32 MB of ROM.

that_kid
08-10-2004, 03:19 PM
i've used verizon , sprint and t-mobile and I can say that sprint and verizon's data service is faster. With sprint & verizon i'm able to stream a 100k video without much buffering, tried the same with t-mobile and it choked. On the flip side, streaming 56k streams worked better on t-mobile than on sprint's network. Having ev-do in this device will be great, if it wasn't for the fact that ev-do still uses 1xRTT's upload I wouldn't need wifi on it at all. Still it looks like the only big use of wifi on this device would be for voip, that is if you're in an ev-do area. 1x is fast but not that fast.

packetstorm
08-10-2004, 03:35 PM
Also, the cut backs are not appreciated (especially memory). The only thing this new device has over the i700 is a new/faster processor, EvDO, and an extra measly 32 MB of ROM.

Not sure if I'm missing something here but doesn't the new device include "a dual-band 800/1900MHz CDMA (presumably no analog) device having a 400MHz PXA263 XScale, 128MB, QVGA, 640x480 VGA camera, retractable QWERTY thumbboard and Bluetooth."

I think that is quite a bit more than the i700...

Janak Parekh
08-10-2004, 04:01 PM
Yes, 1xRTT is fast.. but if you look real close, you'll notice a sticker on the back of one of the units in the FCC sample photos thats says "EVDO"... Now THAT's FAST! :multi:
Yes, I forgot, but that's what I've heard too. 1xEV-DO will give us ~ 300kbps. :D

It seems a shame to have such a high speed connection / processor without a VGA screen. Of course at that speed I think the limiting factor (for browsing at least) will be BitStreams proxy servers for Thunderhawk.
Part of the reason is battery life, I believe. The i700 has a hard enough time keeping battery life with heavy 1xRTT use -- data certainly kills it.

--janak

Kathy_Harris
08-10-2004, 04:22 PM
Is there any verizon plan that lets you use your regular minutes for online use for a free or minimal price?

TTown
08-10-2004, 05:49 PM
Yes, you can have express network taken out of your minutes for free.

jim s
08-10-2004, 07:23 PM
Yes, you can have express network taken out of your minutes for free.

I think it is costing me $5/month - and weekends and evenings are free!*

* Free as in they are not taken out of your minutes

Eriq Cook
08-10-2004, 09:59 PM
I'm surprised the XDA III for Verizon has Bluetooth, but no Wi-Fi. If it did, I'd probably be a little more patient and stay with Verizon. But since it looks like T-Mobile is the only provider that'll offer a Pocket PC Phone w/Wi-Fi anytime soon, it looks like I'll be switching at the end of this month.

SteveNYC
08-10-2004, 11:25 PM
Yes, you can have express network taken out of your minutes for free.

I think it is costing me $5/month - and weekends and evenings are free!*

* Free as in they are not taken out of your minutesSounds like you are talking about Wireless Web which is nothing more than using a WAP browser. But if you want to use 1xRTT (Express Network) you need to use either a data plan ($45/month for unlimited PDA plan) or use their unadvertised minutes only use (MOU) feature.

However, Verizon is always threatening that it is going away. I actually had it for awhile and then lost it. Checked with Verizon over the course of several weeks and could not get the MOU option to work. So maybe they are eliminating it. But tons of people still get MOU to work.

Fishie
08-11-2004, 01:40 AM
I had T-Mobile for a full year with GPRS. Compared to Verizon it's definitely a bit slower (some days frustratingly slow).

T-Mobile = On foot.

Verizon = Biking.

The big mistake is that there's still no VGA Phone edition device on the market yet. Also, the cut backs are not appreciated (especially memory). The only thing this new device has over the i700 is a new/faster processor, EvDO, and an extra measly 32 MB of ROM.

For your information the ONLY VGA device thats actually out is STILL the Toshiba e800/805 and that one is 10 months old already.

Kai920
08-11-2004, 03:54 AM
I had T-Mobile for a full year with GPRS. Compared to Verizon it's definitely a bit slower (some days frustratingly slow).

T-Mobile = On foot.

Verizon = Biking.

The big mistake is that there's still no VGA Phone edition device on the market yet. Also, the cut backs are not appreciated (especially memory). The only thing this new device has over the i700 is a new/faster processor, EvDO, and an extra measly 32 MB of ROM.

For your information the ONLY VGA device thats actually out is STILL the Toshiba e800/805 and that one is 10 months old already.

I'm longing for a VGA-Phone-PPC as well and it looks like the closest thing we've heard of is the rumored MDA 4.

For me, it's a toss up right now between the MDA3 and HP6315 but assuming the HP will be quite a bit cheaper, I'll probably get that to be my temporary replacement for my XDA I until a VGA one comes out :!:

beq
08-11-2004, 08:22 AM
Yes, 1xRTT is fast.. but if you look real close, you'll notice a sticker on the back of one of the units in the FCC sample photos thats says "EVDO"... Now THAT's FAST! :multi:
Yes, I forgot, but that's what I've heard too. 1xEV-DO will give us ~ 300kbps. :D
Does anyone happen to recall the rates for the GSM EDGE, I forget? Who's working on it -- I seem to recall ATTWS and Cingular, but not T-Mobile? Is it possible the GSM XDA III will also support EDGE?

P.S. Is EVDO backward compatible whereas EDGE is not to GPRS, or something? Sorry I haven't kept up with the developments for a long time...

Janak Parekh
08-11-2004, 05:42 PM
Does anyone happen to recall the rates for the GSM EDGE, I forget?
I think EDGE tops out around 150kbps, a bit faster than 1xRTT.

Who's working on it -- I seem to recall ATTWS and Cingular, but not T-Mobile?
I think so too.

Is it possible the GSM XDA III will also support EDGE?
No idea.

P.S. Is EVDO backward compatible whereas EDGE is not to GPRS, or something? Sorry I haven't kept up with the developments for a long time...
1xEV-DO is backwards- and forwards-compatible, I believe. In fact, the current 1xEV-DO Verizon products seamlessly downshift to 1xRTT as necessary.

--janak

beq
08-11-2004, 11:04 PM
I see, thanks for all the info Janak. All these advantages for CDMA periodically tempts me to switch from GSM...

Janak Parekh
08-11-2004, 11:20 PM
I see, thanks for all the info Janak. All these advantages for CDMA periodically tempts me to switch from GSM...
Well, do remember the one disadvantage - no SIM cards. :(

--janak

4ru
08-12-2004, 11:50 AM
Is it possible the GSM XDA III will also support EDGE?
No idea.


It won’t support EDGE (I’ve tested it…) :(

maximum360
08-23-2004, 04:16 AM
I believe 1xRTT speeds go as high as 144 Kbs. I thought EDGE went as high as as 170+ (but don't quote me on that).

23109VC
08-28-2004, 06:48 PM
what are the dimensions of this device?

bigger or smaller than the new Tmobile 6315?
bigger or smaller than my 1945?

right now, I use a 1945 paired to a T616. I have a BT headset. Aside from wifi, I can do everythign I need to with this setup. I've even sent/received email which I don't really need to do, not for my job.

i mainly want a BT headset for talking on the hpone, and the ability to look up numbers on the ppc and send them to the phone.

if the new devices are bigger than my 1945...which is SMALL..I won't be interested.

besides, there is somethign to be said for the convenience of having a super small phone like a T616 in my pocket. the other day I ran into starbucks and was in line. my wife called me to ask a quick question. the phone was in my shirt pocket. i picked it up, saw the claler id, and anssered. i hada 15 second phone calla nd put it back in my pocket. the 1945 was on my hip holster. i never had to touch it. had I been using a 6315 or XDA, I'd have to be wearing a BT headset at all times, or woudl have had to take the ppc out of it's holster..as it's too big to put in a shirt pocket like my T616.

these new devices are cool..but I think I still like the two box idea.

gwgaston
10-03-2004, 06:57 PM
any word on if it will support blackberry messages?

I'm wondering that too... the 7750 is slow booting, slow navigating (RIM blames the slow QualComm processor), and Verizon has no new Handheld code and from what I'm hearing will likey be the last to offer 4.0 code once it is released, it also offers no browsing for non-BES users. I have a BES and there are third party providers, but the point is Verizon typically offers less phone for more money. I hope this changes now that RIM has licensed the Blackberry connect features out.

An HTC Blue Angel/Harrier based PDA with Blackberry connect support would be sweet. Looks like the Verizon one will be the Daxian CU928 with no Wi-Fi but still looks good.