Ebook reader etc.

[Islander]

Have ordered my A716, first time on a pocketpc. I have a Visor Platinum, read ebooks on it using Mobipocket and palmreader...I liked Mobipocket best I suppose.

www.fictionwise.com is a great spot, I still have a bookshelf there with ebooks waiting to be converted and re-read when I get my A716 :)

My question... what format? and what reader is the best? I am going to again be active on alt.binaries.ebooks I imagine, (anyone have favorite newsgroups for ebooks? and I was wondering, is it .lit? )

I want to get a nice line-up of ebooks ready for when I get MyPal :mrgreen:

The 9/11 comission report is actually on fictionwise, free...along with some others...and I think that Dan Brown's couple new ones will be on my ppc the same day I get it.

Thanks, -I know this must have been asked alot before, I just didn't see any recent threads. (I thought I wrote this post yesterday, but couldn't remember what forum...or if I was dreaming about the Asus A716 again...)

[SteveHoward999]

I prefer MS Reader.

I tried Tomb Raider, but hated the fact that it was just like reading plain text files. Tried Acrobat but just hate how slow it is and the crappy screen redraw. Tried HTML ... it was like reading plain text unless I made some edits.

I love how MS Reader text looks and happily read from my PDA for hours at a time.

Steve

[Islander]

Oh I missed that...reading for hours on the Visor...I did it in restaurants on purpose, just to freak ppl out around here, (small town, rural) "What is that shiny silver thing and why is she staring at it so intently?"

And telling someone..."Shoot! I can't finish my book until I get new batteries!" :)

It was great during power failures, which are common here in winter. Backlight. One of my favorite non-fiction ebooks was "The Procrastinator's Handbook" -I never did get around to finishing it though :mrgreen:

Still waiting for that A716

[Jereboam]

My line up -

1. Mobipocket - full screen, acceptable DRM, well supported at Fictionwise, excellent enews downloader particularly good for periodicals, best features not free.
2. eReader - no full screen, best DRM, widest choice of books (so far), no enews, free version does the job nicely.
3. µBook - easily the best reader for HTML and TXT, freeware and often updated...brilliant. Lots of classics to be read with this one at Blackmask and Baen etc.
4. TomeRaider - quite frankly amazing when used with huge reference works, not for general novel reading really...well supported with thousands of free works (the entire Shakespeare lineup anyone?) at Memoware.
5. MS Reader - hideous DRM with activation nonsense, very random selection of books, but it works. No meaningful updates for many many years.

The deal maker and breaker for me is full screen reading...which only Mobipocket offers currently. Maybe a VGA screen will lessen the importance of this and turn me to eReader more exclusively...

Hope this helps.

J'bm

[dh]

Another vote for Mobipocket, with uBook Reader next.
Must also have Tomeraider for the Wikipedia
MS Reader? Well you need the desktop version to be able to buy .lit files. Other than that, scrap it.

[dean_shan]

Stick with PalmReader. It's the best.

[ChristopherTD]

I like MS Reader, it lays out the page like a book, with attention to basic typography. The recent update handles images well, with pan/zoom support.

Despite using Reader on numerous devices over many years I have never been bitten by the DRM problems. Some of the objections to it are simply because it is a MS product and therefore objectionable! :wink:

[dMores]

i think i've posted my thoughts on this before, so please excuse any "spamming".

i love msreader. it is just the prettiest and most thought-through program around. the library is intelligently laid out, author, title etc.

all the other i've tried were basically "notebook.exe" for pdas.

but damn ... .lit is just a proprietary format that you can't read anywhere else. i don't like that.

[Jereboam]

i think i've posted my thoughts on this before, so please excuse any "spamming".

i love msreader. it is just the prettiest and most thought-through program around. the library is intelligently laid out, author, title etc.

all the other i've tried were basically "notebook.exe" for pdas.

but damn ... .lit is just a proprietary format that you can't read anywhere else. i don't like that.

Thought out? No full screen reading? Huge and unchangeable margins? The library arranged so you have pages and pages of books to sort through? This is one of the most un-PDA-optimised programs there is, totally ignoring the needs of small screen devices.

And I like MS products but still say the DRM is highly inconvenient.

You haven't tried any of the other readers at length at all it would seem...they offer much more in the way of customisation and features than MS Reader. Just because it now handles images, when most other readers have done for a while, is no reason to think that it is still being developed seriously...

And the .lit format is fine, excepting for the caveat you yourself have pointed out. But that's why we have clit.exe...

But essentially, if you don't ask for more than it offers, MS Reader is fine.

J'bm

[Islander]

Thanks for the replies :D

I am pleased about Mobipocket...being a total pocket pc n00b, I didn't know it could be used. Great. I may try some of the others, but I suppose I have a bit of a "try and avoid things that MS forces down your throat" thing myself so MS reader might get dusty, (FireFox and T-bird user :wink: ) which is ironic since I ordered a ppc eh?

I don't mind the OS , I like XP Pro good enough, been using it since April 1st (talk about ironic) and I will probably like pocketpc 2003..too bad it's not SE.

Anyway. Back to waiting :treadmill:

[jkendrick]

I go through a lot of devices and just recently went to activate my latest device and hit the dreaded "you have exceeded your activation limit" (which is 6 devices). At this point my only recourse is to hit the link asking for additional activations. Thirty seconds later I was informed my request was denied. So my entire library of about 50 books is inaccessible. Bye bye, MS Reader.

[Jorgen]

Thirty seconds later I was informed my request was denied. So my entire library of about 50 books is inaccessible. Bye bye, MS Reader.

That is a disgrace and the reason that I am not in favour of any kind of DRM: one day you cannot read your ebooks.
Adobe and Microsofts are the worst. Mobi at least used to have some wierd device code that could give problems - I don't know if that is still the case. Ereader's (formerly Palm Digital Media) DRM is the best but one day you are going to change to a PDA for which no reader exists, and that will be it.

jkendrick's problem can be avoided:

Keep a backup burned onto a CD of the following files in your PPC's \Windows directory:

Microsoft Activation.Unload
Secrep.dat
Secrep.dll
Secrep.xml
Secrepid.dat

To "re-activate":
1. Soft reset Pocket-PC to ensure no programs are running
2. Use Windows Explorer on your PC to copy (and overwrite) the above files into the \windows directory on the Pocket PC
3. Soft reset the Pocket PC again
4. Find \Windows\Secrep.xml with File Explorer. Double tap the file.
5. Run MS Reader: it should say that it is activated in your name

Jorgen

[Jereboam]

I go through a lot of devices and just recently went to activate my latest device and hit the dreaded "you have exceeded your activation limit" (which is 6 devices). At this point my only recourse is to hit the link asking for additional activations. Thirty seconds later I was informed my request was denied. So my entire library of about 50 books is inaccessible. Bye bye, MS Reader.

Other than the very good advice given above, I almost always (despite not regularly buying .lit formats) explode my books into HTML. That way I can easily convert to Mobipocket .prc or other formats, and I don't have to deal with activation hassles like this. I am not a file sharer, I just believe that once I have bought something it should be mine forever.

If you don't know what I'm talking about just do a search for c l i t no pun intended - I believe it is now hosted in Poland. It's command line only but works a charm. Note you will have to have MS Reader activated on the PC you intend to use for the job so it may be a non-starter for you...

Mobipocket, by the way, uses PIDs which are a code generated by each Reader installation on your device or desktop. You then enter those PIDs (up to three concurrently) at Fictionwise for example, and when you download your books the PID is incorporated and they can only be opened on those devices. You can change PIDs as you wish and redownload your books, although there are some sensible time limits which apply, ie you can't do that every day. In special circumstances both Fictionwise and Mobipocket will both allow emergency PID changes in the case of a lost or reset device...

It sounds complex but in actual fact it is all pretty seamless.

J'bm

[jkendrick]

I am aware there are several tactics you can take to defeat the MS DRM. I will not do that- the ONLY way that companies will be forced to incorporate DRM that is not onerous to the consumer is if consumers stop using their products. There is no greater truth than voting (or not) with your wallet.

It's really that simple and that's what I'm going to do.

[Jorgen]

There is no greater truth than voting (or not) with your wallet.

Very true - that's what I do.

Jorgen

[Jereboam]

Likewise after Amazon refused to let me redownload The Reality Dysfunction I haven't bought a lit format book.

J'bm

[Jay Hartman]

Although these days I pretty much use PalmReader exclusively, I do sometimes still use Mobipocket. I get quality software, and it will actually read all my non-encrypted Palm format titles as well....two for the price of one!

I had the original Rocket eBook which I loved, and then used MS Reader for a very long time (I have an older model IPAQ). I simply found that MS Reader is too cumbersome of a product to use. Now, I only buy it when I absolutely can't get a title in another preferred format...or if I have a gift certificate to Amazon.

Best,
Jay Hartman
Content Editor
KnowBetter.com: For Everything Ebook
http://www.knowbetter.com

[Jorgen]

I use iSilo because it is fast, has the best compression around (I like carrying many books), a good userinterface and can make any web-page into an ebook; an additional advantage for me at least, is that I can read the same books on my Palm.

MS Reader is slow and combersome, but the end result looks very, very nice so I read quite a number of books in that format too.

Ereader, I only use for the DRM books I bought years ago (and I will probably never buy more unless forced); however, it is a very nice reader and I could easily live with that and of all the DRM systems, this is the least worst. Mobireader, I have never really used.


It sounds complex but in actual fact it is all pretty seamless.


All the DRM systems - except Adobe - are good theoretically, but in real life something always goes wrong (and apparently very often for MS Reader DRM). I have a number of Ereader books bought in the old days when they were called Peanutbooks and have to keep track of 3-4 creditcard numbers to read these books. Why? I got Peanutbooks to convert them to one creditcard but I cannot log into my account to redownload them. I have emailed them many times but to no avail; they just ignored my emails in the end. Therefore: no more Ereader DRM books for me if I can avoid it. Another reason for not buying DRM-protected books is, that if I change to for example a Sharp PDA or some specialised ebook-reader (they are about to come), I cannot read my ebooks.

Jorgen

[dh]

Another reason for not buying DRM-protected books is, that if I change to for example a Sharp PDA or some specialised ebook-reader (they are about to come), I cannot read my ebooks.
Jorgen
That is exactly why I coverted my .lit collection into unprotected Mobipocket. Otherwise, I would have had a lot of MS books that I had purchased but couldn't read.

On my Zaurus, I use OpieReader to read my Mobipocket books and it has just about all the features of Mobipocket Reader. In fact it has an option to reverse the colours, which I always wanted on MP.

If you want changes, the developer has been really responsive and produces new versions really quickly. Great application and reading on the VGA screen is fantastic and switch from landscape to portrait on the fly is rather nice as well. :D

[tanalasta]

Convertlit is your friend when it comes to MS reader books. It also saves you the rehassle of re-downloading at a later date (for whatever reason) if you rather religiously use this program on your DRM'ed .lit files when you first purchase them.

I also use iSilo and if I purchase a Microsoft Reader book, I rather promptly convert it to html, and from that into iSilo format.

MS reader is just too laggy, buggy and bothersome to use.

[Jorgen]

Tsk, tsk, and that in a country where you are not even allowed to make mp3's from your own CD's. :)

Jorgen

[ceejames]

Ubook is the one, I use day in and day out. I also keep use MSReader when forced to. Ubook just keeps getting better and better and in my opinion and experience reads the widest selection of ebooks. Mobireader is pretty but does not view as wide a range of ebooks as Ubook. I would like to see Ubook made a pretty as Mobireader and as flexible as Ubook. Being able to read a html or text file from a zip file is easily the most worthwhile feature of an ebook reader, which Ubooks supports.

[Jereboam]

The problem is that you won't be using µBook to read those bestsellers anytime soon...so you are really forced to make your choice of the big three (MS Reader, eReader, Mobipocket).

It's a great reader, but setting the options through HTML is a bit clunky for your average user and like you say, it doesn't look so pretty, although you can change its look with skins.

I really want an ebook benign dictatorship established so we can quit with the format bullsh*t and get cracking with some great dedicated ebook devices, cross-platform compatibility and for the love of all that is holy if I find that they have released only the last book in a series in ebook format one more time I'm gonna get violent.

J'bm[/b]

[Jorgen]

The problem is that you won't be using µBook to read those bestsellers anytime soon...

Buy unprotected books from for example www.fictionwise.com or get the classics / your parents bestsellers from www.blackmask.com (they have everything from Gutenberg as well). This way you are guaranteed to be able to read your books 5-10 years from now. If enough of us vote with our money, we will eventually get rid of DRM. This happened in the late 80ies: copyprotected software disappeared virtually overnight.

Hmmm, I know lots of you like uBook, but the text looks terrible on my PDA's: hp-548, 568 and h1910 (I have not tried very recently).

Jorgen

[Jereboam]

The problem is that the books I want to read are not unprotected...that is the whole problem in fact. If I was happy reading The Count of Monte Cristo or the complete works of Shakespeare that would be fine. But I want to read Hobb, Wilbur Smith, David Baldacci, [favourite author here] and that means dealing with DRM. Now and forever.

And I wouldn't say copy protected software has disappeared - Windows XP, Office, Adobe, Norton, Pal Alto, are just examples off the top of my head that require activation, which is copy protection in my book. And virtually every single Pocket PC app I install requires a code - what is that if not copy protection?

Anyway, I hear you, but unfortunately in this case NOT buying DRM protected books I think will be counterproductive. By not buying the books we will see sites like Fictionwise and eReader fail, nobody will develop more friendly DRM solutions and readers because they see niggardly sales, and the publishers will simply lose interest because they don't see an upside.

On the text, have you juggled with the settings? It looked awful on my 5450 until I experimented with the orientation and other settings...

J'bm

[ironguy]

For those of you who experience poor looking text on uBook, try selecting grey scale instead of RGB for the fonts. Made quite the difference on my 2215. Small text, Arial font, medium contrast makes mine very readable.

[SteveHoward999]

So my entire library of about 50 books is inaccessible. Bye bye, MS Reader.


My experience with Fictionwise has been that if you create a new passport, reactivate your devices with the new passport, then redownload your books, all works fine.

OK it is a pain to go through all those steps, but your books should in no way be inaccessable.


Steve

[Jorgen]

And I wouldn't say copy protected software has disappeared - Windows XP, Office, Adobe, Norton, Pal Alto, are just examples off the top of my head that require activation, which is copy protection in my book

XP is copy protected, yes. The others I don't know about.
So they are trying it again!

If we all happily buy DRM-protected ebooks, than all ebooks will be DRM. If we don't buy, DRM will disappear. I don't believe ebooks will disappear if DRM fails.

Jorgen

[Jereboam]

So my entire library of about 50 books is inaccessible. Bye bye, MS Reader.


My experience with Fictionwise has been that if you create a new passport, reactivate your devices with the new passport, then redownload your books, all works fine.

OK it is a pain to go through all those steps, but your books should in no way be inaccessable.


Steve

Ah well that's because FW are good people.

Amazon basically told me to get lost. I had "exceeded my dowload authority" for many of my ebooks and they point blank refused to let me redownload them. This after a spontaneous hard reset. I was unamused.

J'bm

[rocky_raher]

One of my favorite non-fiction ebooks was "The Procrastinator's Handbook" -I never did get around to finishing it though :mrgreen:

You may consider a subscription to "Procrastinator's Monthly." It's published quarterly.

A couple of other non-fiction books I can recommend:
"Taking the Mensa Test for Dummies"
"The Complete Idiot's Guide to Building Self-Esteem"

Back on topic, I use Microsoft Reader exclusively, and am happy with it.

[Islander]

Just a quick note on the reader saga...been really enjoying my Asus A716. Really. :D Ebooks are great. Started with the bundled MS Reader, ok, not bad. Then I got my old fave, Mobipocket (Pro) and Yeay...goodbye MS and hello Mobi. Landscape mode, fonts, better graphics, etc...unless it was just my lack of finding the tweakage of the MS reader... I like the full-screen capabilities of Mobi...hit the jog button, and get fullscreen, no borders or titlebars...nice..and definitely love landscape...and for some reason, my MS reader didnt want to change font size, even tho it was showing smaller in options...


Anyway, my 2 cents...lovin the A716, lovin ebooks and lovin Fictionwise. Just picked up a couple great free ebooks..."Bibi", "In Spirit" -great...and a not free Secure Mobipocket one, very interesting..."The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time"

Bed time, bringin MyPal with me :)

Cheers, Islander,

[j95pgt]

I havent gotten my pocket pc yet but I should have it by sept. 13. I was wondering what programs you all use to convert your files? or do your readers such as mobi read most files? the reason I ask is becuase I accidently bought an adobe acrobat ebook. I meant to buy a paperback but at the time I didnt even realize there were ebooks. So now I probably need to convert it to a file that mobi can read. Also if any of you read fantasy books do you know if margaret weis is planning on comming out with ebooks? I noticed that there are no dragonlance books or just about anything she has written. In the fantasy genre she is a big name. thanks

[Jereboam]

Unfortunately, no Dragaonlance books yet. I suggest writing to the publisher and making them aware...I have in a few cases. It may not make any difference, but not writing will definitely have no effect...

I can recommend Robin Hobb, the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies, and George R.R. Martin's Fire and Ice books if you are looking for great ebook fantasty series.

And as for your Adobe book, I'm afraid your stuck. I know of no way to convert them to a more friendly format.

J'bm

[j95pgt]

well I definately keep it in mind for when I order my next book. Thanks. I have already read the robin hobb assasin series and also the george rr martin books. Do you know if the 4th book in martins series is comming out for ebook? I have been waiting for that book forever.

[Islander]

One of my favorite series of all time is the Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan Series...it was great...my first ebooks...

Find the series Here (http://www.fictionwise.com/ebooks/Series24.htm)
Shards of Honor is the first, followed by Barrayar and then by The Warrior's Apprentice, with a few more to follow once you are totally hooked :) ...I totally (surprisingly) enjoyed them...not being into the sci-fi scene at the time...but the writing is witty, realistic and never bored me. The characters were strong and the plots very plausible. Anyway...just a recommendation :)

If I had a money tree, I would own every ebook on Fictionwise. Well..almost.

Now I must shrink a dvd, to play it on my A716, -amaze my friends and scare my enemies! :mrgreen:

[dMores]

a.f.a.i.k. adobe uses a copy protection that allows you to install it's software (photoshop) on 2 devices. which is really cool, since a lot of photoshop users both use a desktop in the office and a laptop at home.

i recently switched to mobipocket. i like it's protection with the PID number.
if you change devices or reinstall the software you just edit the PID online and download the book again.
i'd like to know how long they will keep track of your bookshelf, though.

[Islander]

i recently switched to mobipocket. i like it's protection with the PID number.
if you change devices or reinstall the software you just edit the PID online and download the book again.
i'd like to know how long they will keep track of your bookshelf, though.

I discovered this when I bought the latest secure Mobipocket book the other day...it automatically assigned my old Visor's PID to the purchase...of course, didn't work on my A716's version...so I just went back to Fictionwise, edited my profile to include the new PID, and re-d/l'd the ebook. Worked fine then. Wasn't too much of a chore, even with me being on horrendously slow dial up. My bookshelf is still intact, from several years ago. Very nice. I like that in a bookshelf, I kind of depend on it here at home..would really annoy me if the books evaporated after a while, if I didn't pick them up now and then. :D

[Ripper014]

Unfortunately, no Dragaonlance books yet. I suggest writing to the publisher and making them aware...I have in a few cases. It may not make any difference, but not writing will definitely have no effect...

I can recommend Robin Hobb, the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies, and George R.R. Martin's Fire and Ice books if you are looking for great ebook fantasty series.

And as for your Adobe book, I'm afraid your stuck. I know of no way to convert them to a more friendly format.

J'bm


Actually I have seen the Dragonlance books out there on the net... not sure if they are legitimate or not... but I have run across them.

[Islander]

I have a question...I have a couple books in .rtf and I know that Mobi pocket Pro should be able to import them, but I am not sure how to make Mobi "see" them... :? right now, I have them in Word...it works, but just sort of ungainly. They show up under "My Documents" ...

By the way, just installed SPB Pocket Plus..it's great! ...and Leonard Maltin's 2005 Movie Guide...and SPB Full Screen Keyboard (neat!) and ListPro...(cool!) and now all I have to do is wait for all these programs to deactivate <sigh> actually, I like trial-ware, I have a short attention span, and I will get bored or frustrated well before the expiry date if it's not for me. :mrgreen:

[Ommadawn]

I have a question...I have a couple books in .rtf and I know that Mobi pocket Pro should be able to import them, but I am not sure how to make Mobi "see" them... :? right now, I have them in Word...it works, but just sort of ungainly. They show up under "My Documents" ...


You might want to try ubook (http://www.gowerpoint.com). It reads rtf files directly, as well as text, html, pdc/doc files, etc. It's feature rich, skinnable, and free! It's my favourite reader 0X

[Jereboam]

Unfortunately, no Dragaonlance books yet. I suggest writing to the publisher and making them aware...I have in a few cases. It may not make any difference, but not writing will definitely have no effect...

I can recommend Robin Hobb, the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies, and George R.R. Martin's Fire and Ice books if you are looking for great ebook fantasty series.

And as for your Adobe book, I'm afraid your stuck. I know of no way to convert them to a more friendly format.

J'bm


Actually I have seen the Dragonlance books out there on the net... not sure if they are legitimate or not... but I have run across them.

Urgggh....horrendous spelling mistakes in my post.

Anyway....Dragonlance books....not legit. I have seen them as well, but haven't bothered.

J'bm

[keelinlee]

I have a question...I have a couple books in .rtf and I know that Mobi pocket Pro should be able to import them, but I am not sure how to make Mobi "see" them... :? right now, I have them in Word...it works, but just sort of ungainly. They show up under "My Documents" ...


You convert them into Mobipocket format using the Mobipocket Office Companion :
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsOfficeComp.asp

Or you can save them manually into HTML and use the Mobipocket Creator to publish the eBooks :
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/beta/creatorhome.asp

[Islander]

You convert them into Mobipocket format using the Mobipocket Office Companion :
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsOfficeComp.asp

Ah!! Well, that took about 10 seconds, and it looks great. Thanks...Darn it, now I have to register... 8O

[dMores]

hope i'm not wandering off-topic, but:

which dictionary/thesaurus should i get for mobipocket?
i checked the mobipocket website and i can't see the forest for the trees in the "dictionaries" section.

is the ELECTRONIC POCKET OXFORD ENGLISH+THESAURUS VALUE PACK good?
price is a little hefty, though, isn't it?
i mean, is there any other use to this ebook other than popup-definition within other ebooks?
(i read books mostly in the language they're written in, and since english is not my native language i like to look up words and have them explained to me in english as well. don't like english-german translations)

[Jereboam]

dMores,

I would recommend getting yourself a standalone dictionary, like SlovoEd, which will translate from other apps as well with its resident module. I have the Russian and French dictionaries and they are great.

I tried using a dictionary in MobiPocket, to be able to use on the desktop and PPC at the same time, but it was a bit clunky.

A dedicated solution is much better if you want anything other than a casual reference.

J'bm

[Jorgen]

I'll second that - Slovoed (ultralingua) is very good! I have the Spanish dictionary.

Jorgen

[keelinlee]

hope i'm not wandering off-topic, but:

which dictionary/thesaurus should i get for mobipocket?
i checked the mobipocket website and i can't see the forest for the trees in the "dictionaries" section.

is the ELECTRONIC POCKET OXFORD ENGLISH+THESAURUS VALUE PACK good?
price is a little hefty, though, isn't it?
i mean, is there any other use to this ebook other than popup-definition within other ebooks?
(i read books mostly in the language they're written in, and since english is not my native language i like to look up words and have them explained to me in english as well. don't like english-german translations)

I had the Electronic Pocket dictionary, and I got a 25% rebate on the Oxford Concise dictionary. The Concise is much better. You can also try the Advanced Learner's (special for english learners like you).
Did you try the PONS English-German dictionary? The demo version looks great.

[dMores]

well i think it's safe to say that i'm past the "learning" phase. i now try not to lose it again.
that's why i don't want an english-german dictionary, since it would bring me out of my english train of thoughts.

anyway, thank you for your input, i just realized there are demo versions of the oxford dictionary and thesaurus which i could give a try.

cheers, daniel

[Skagen]

I'll second that - Slovoed (ultralingua) is very good! I have the Spanish dictionary.

Jorgen

I didn't realize that they are both together now. I used to use Ultralingua on Palm but now that I moved to PPC they seem to offer a lot less langauges (including the Slovoed ones even).

[Jorgen]

They are apparently one and the same. It is called Ultralingua on my Palm and Slovoed on my PPC.

Jorgen