All New HP Specs Posted to HP Site

[Jason Dunn]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.ipaqhq.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33608#post33608' target='_blank'>http://www.ipaqhq.com/forums/showth...33608#post33608</a><br /><br /></div>As a quick update to Janak's previous post, ipaqHQ has links to all of the new devices:<br /><br />• HP iPAQ hx4700 series Pocket PC<br />• HP iPAQ Pocket PC h6300 Series<br />• HP iPAQ rx3100 series Mobile Media Companion<br />• HP iPAQ rx3700 series Mobile Media Companion<br />• HP iPAQ rx3400 series Mobile Media Companion<br />• HP iPAQ rz1715 Mobile Media Companion<br />• HP iPAQ rz1700 series Pocket PC<br /><br />I'll say this much: HP is making a splash with sheer volume if nothing else!

[piperpilot]

I was all pumped up about the new 6315 until I saw the specs. I was hoping for VGA and 128 MB of SDRAM. Also, what's the deal with the TI OMAP processor? It only runs at 200 mhz. I'm not a techie, but it seems to me that I would rather have the Intel processor that's in the 4715 that runs at 624 mhz. I do like the quad band aspect of the device though.

[Jason Dunn]

I was all pumped up about the new 6315 until I saw the specs. I was hoping for VGA and 128 MB of SDRAM. Also, what's the deal with the TI OMAP processor? It only runs at 200 mhz. I'm not a techie, but it seems to me that I would rather have the Intel processor that's in the 4715 that runs at 624 mhz. I do like the quad band aspect of the device though.

HP made a purposeful decision there to go for something that was designed for mobile communications and long battery life, not a powerful multimedia machine. I think they made the right choice, although of course we'd all like to have a Pocket PC that does EVERYTHING well. The TI OMAP is a fairly powerful processor however, so don't let the low speed fool you...although until I get a unit to test, I can't say anything definitively. :-)

[Duncan]

HP made a purposeful decision there to go for something that was designed for mobile communications and long battery life, not a powerful multimedia machine.

Absolutely - people that want GPRS built-in (of which I am not one - despite having liked my XDA II) tend to value the Pocket PC as a powerful communications device. Since I doubt that the TI OMAP is any (or at least not much) slower than the PXA263 400Mhz in practical terms - I reckon HP have made the right decision.

Whilst I have no interest in a GPRS Pocket PC at this time I have to say that this is the real star of the new iPAQs. A well thought out and attractive device (contrast with the unspectacular mid range newbies and frankly bizarre choices made with the hx4700).

If I were a betting man I would guess that the h6300 came from the design team behind the h221x, h19xx, h4xxx and h5xxx. Then clearly HP fired them and hired the three wise monkeys to design the new lot (any other rational explanation...? :wink: )

Real pity about the hx4700. For a while I lusted after it (I love the idea of the touchpad, and 624Mhz is something to savour - along with a magnesium casing...) - then - no USB hosting, only 64MB RAM (I don't object to the idea of an 80MB ROM store - love the idea - but it should be partnered with 128MB RAM), FastIR (why? I thought it was silly in the Loox 610, I find it even more silly in a high end iPAQ - they have access to Nevo for heavens sake - CIR should be a given...! :roll: ).

Just a few *sensible* differences and HP would have had a customer from me - instead I see an overweight, oddly configured 'should've been'.

But - at least the h6300 will shine...!

[Zack Mahdavi]

I can't wait to play with these devices in person. HP is definitely taking a very bold move with the launch of these new PDAs. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they become blockbuster models.

[arnage2]

These new devices will seal the deal for windows mobile. Pocket pc will overtake palm with the slew from HP, Asus and Fujitsu

[Zack Mahdavi]

These new devices will seal the deal for windows mobile. Pocket pc will overtake palm with the slew from HP, Asus and Fujitsu

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think these two models are way too expensive for most PDA users. In fact, I think the Palm OS may actually gain marketshare compared to these new devices. I also think that Dell will overtake HP in Pocket PC marketshare within the next year. These predictions are not based on any solid facts, but I think these devices are too expensive for what they offer.

[Stake]

As speculated on previous spec sheets, the 4705 is impressive. I am, however, dissapointed in the IR in terms of location and lack of CIR implementation. It's not a deal breaker by any means.

The only other PDA that's in the running is the Loox 720. I'm ready to give up my Tosh e550G and one of these is going to replace it. It's neck and neck for either device but I have a very strong feeling the Loox will never make it over State side which leaves the HP alone at the top. I would like an all-in-one with lots of horsepower but the ones that are set to launch (MPx & MDA III), I still feel that it's not quite there yet esecially when it comes to battery power.

I'll take a look at the local retail stores Monday to see if they have the 4705 armed with some 640x480 video clips! It's always different when you have the device in your hand compared to the endless images you find online.

[Kati Compton]

As speculated on previous spec sheets, the 4705 is impressive. I am, however, dissapointed in the IR in terms of location and lack of CIR implementation. It's not a deal breaker by any means.

The only other PDA that's in the running is the Loox 720. I'm ready to give up my Tosh e550G and one of these is going to replace it. It's neck and neck for either device but I have a very strong feeling the Loox will never make it over State side which leaves the HP alone at the top. I would like an all-in-one with lots of horsepower but the ones that are set to launch (MPx & MDA III), I still feel that it's not quite there yet esecially when it comes to battery power.
What about the Asus?

[Stake]

What about the Asus?

I would consider it but on paper, the Loox has a little more like file store size, BT 1.2 and battery capacity. However little the differences are, they may make a difference in the end. I err on the side with the best specs without actually seeing or testing them. Also, not having Bluetooth 1.2 kinda kills it for me. Why have the older technology if everyone else is producing a device with the new spec?

The real test is going to side by side comparisons, of couse. That's if they can pass the availability test in the US.

[jpjehu]

what's the difference between pocket tv pro and the regular version?

[Duncan]

From the PocketTV (http://www.pockettv.com/index.html#whatis) website:

PocketTV Enterprise Edition provides improved performances on StrongARM and Xscale processors, compared to PocketTV Classic.

[jpjehu]

anyone used the pro? what's 'improved performance' mean? why didn't they bundle it on the 4700?!? with the vga resolution there's even greater of a need.

[ricksfiona]

I was SERIOUSLY tempted to buy the hx4700 until I found out that the 128MB RAM was actually Flash ROM. Lame. I'll just pay $30 to overclock my iPAQ 5555 to 524MHz. I guess I'll have to wait until HP get's it right.

[Anthony Caruana]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

[surur]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

On your grid you have the 6300 as having VGA. This I believe is not true. There is onlly 1 VGA PPC from HP, the HX4700.

Surur

[Anthony Caruana]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

On your grid you have the 6300 as having VGA. This I believe is not true. There is onlly 1 VGA PPC from HP, the HX4700.

Surur

Oops - I think the screw-up fairy visited me. :oops:

Sorry

[Paladin27]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

Anthony, I thought the 6300 had GSM for voice services? Your graph says "no".

[Anthony Caruana]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

Anthony, I thought the 6300 had GSM for voice services? Your graph says "no".

Mmm.. that damned fairy! I'm not sure how I stuffed that up as it was one of the fist boxes I filled in. I must have overtyped it by accident when I ewditted the table earlier.

My apologies again

[seaflipper]

Anyone else notice that none of the Sunday ads (Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Depot etc) had a single iPaq model advertised anywhere! Each one of those usually has one iPaq advertised at least...none today.

I think these babies are going to be in stores this week!

[chunkymonkey75]

After thinking about it and studying the specs, the 3715 looks more appealing to me. I have a 2215 now. I don't think I could go back to a larger device. The 3715 has more of what I am looking for....more RAM, smaller size, and CIR.

Is anyone else here considering this device? On paper the 5555 was a "better" device, but many of us got the 2215 instead.

[Len Egan]

I was a long-time HP owner (3650, 3830, 2215). Six months ago I bought the Toshiba E-805 because it is 128 Mb, duel slots and VGA. I would love to be able to talk myself into one of these new devices but none have better specs than my Tosh unless you want a camera or a phone (6300).

Nice touch with PI on the 4700.

[corphack]

HP's last year of production and support have not been all that "stellar".

Think I'll wait a bit to see which model(s) and form-factor HP is still selling and upgrading in 6 months before I make any decisions.

[urologyhealth]

When will the 6300 be available and where to purchase??

Thanks

[Zack Mahdavi]

For those that are interested and don't have the time to go throgh all the different spec sheets that are posted at Ipaq HQ, I've prepared a summary table.

Visit www.thepdaguy.com

Regards

Thanks Anthony! That made my life a lot easier...

Does anyone have any idea what the processor speed for the 3100 will be?

[Rob Alexander]

After thinking about it and studying the specs, the 3715 looks more appealing to me. I have a 2215 now. I don't think I could go back to a larger device. The 3715 has more of what I am looking for....more RAM, smaller size, and CIR.

Is anyone else here considering this device? On paper the 5555 was a "better" device, but many of us got the 2215 instead.

For me, I just don't see the point. My 2215 is an excellent little device and certainly meets most of my needs. The only reason I can see for buying something new is to move up to a VGA screen. Since the 4705 is the only one that has that, and the combination of size and price has put me off (though it is an impressive PPC), I really haven't considered any of the other HP products.

[Stephen Beesley]

These new devices will seal the deal for windows mobile. Pocket pc will overtake palm with the slew from HP, Asus and Fujitsu

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think these two models are way too expensive for most PDA users. In fact, I think the Palm OS may actually gain marketshare compared to these new devices. I also think that Dell will overtake HP in Pocket PC marketshare within the next year. These predictions are not based on any solid facts, but I think these devices are too expensive for what they offer.

I have to agree with Zack that the price of the HP (definately) along with the Asus and Loox (probably) are going to put them out of the picture for all but the most dedicated and cash laden PDA buyers. Until VGA trickles down to lower price bands (come on Dell....) then I don't think VGA is going to be a big seller.

That said, I am keen to see whtat the price/availability of the Loox and the Asus are going to be her in Euro land. There seems to be have been quite a divide between what is released here and what is available in the US for the last few years. I will not be suprised to see Europe ending up with a different mix of devices on shelves than that seen over in the US.

At this point I should say that I can also see buyers back in Oz getting their usual shafting when it comes to prices etc with this new batch of devices.

Well time will tell. I am certainly dying to see some of these "in store" and actaully be able to get some hands on experience.

[stevey500]

HP releases a new pocket pc just as much as tiger direct makes a new catolog...

[pocketdoc]

I currently use a 4155 and love the small form factor.

Although it meets my needs, I too have been infected with the "get the new stuff" bug.

The 4705 looks like a great device. I like the additional storage and the VGA screen. HOWEVER, the size is intimidating, and it looks industrial. It looks quite large when compared to my 4150. I carry my handheld in my front pocket, and I am afrid that the 4705 would pull my pants down (humor).

It will be interesting to see them in person. Of course, if I can wait a few months, the price may also drop (as with all new devices).

[SeanH]

no USB hosting, only 64MB RAM (I don't object to the idea of an 80MB ROM store
I agree 100% that device should have 128MB of SDRAM. I do not understand the need for a USB host. Most of the devices you would hang off a PPC can use Bluetooth. What devices can not be used by Bluetooth?

Sean

[Jeff Rutledge]

My 2215 is an excellent little device and certainly meets most of my needs. The only reason I can see for buying something new is to move up to a VGA screen.

Or a phone device. 8)

[jpjehu]

will the 3xxx series have CIR? I can't find any IR specs...

[JPack]

will the 3xxx series have CIR? I can't find any IR specs... Yes. Along with Nevo.

[kinged]

HP 4700 was disappointing.

I have decided that my next pda is Asus 730A.

I no longer can handle just 64mb RAM. Asus 730 has exactly what I want:
dual SD & CF Slots.
128 mb Ram
Bluetooth and Wifi
Build in Camera
VGA
And I am not sure how I can play games with a pad?

Can anyone tell me why I should not pick Asus 730 over HP 4700?

[Paul P]

I haven't seen the link for hpshopping, so here it is:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/generic_store/generic_subcategory_view.jsp?landing=null&category=handhelds&subcat1=handhelds&catLevel=2&BV_SessionID=@@@@1363759672.1090798690@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccehadcmdkmjkdicfngcfkmdfondfgf.0

Includes the specs for H6315, which for some reason has Texas Instruments™ 168MHz and not 200Mhz as in the specs indicated here: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11861_na/11861_na.HTML

[drop]

Good question, kinged.

I am dying to see a head-to-head comparison betweent these two devices. I wonder how much *more* battery power a higher RAM machine could drain. I am not entirely pleased with the 64MB RAM on the 4700. But who knows (may be Jason does :wink: ), the new processor might be able to make accessing the ROM zoom zoom faster.

Patiently waiting for a review... Time's up. Where is the review :devilboy: ?

[BTS]

These new devices will seal the deal for windows mobile. Pocket pc will overtake palm with the slew from HP, Asus and Fujitsu

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think these two models are way too expensive for most PDA users. In fact, I think the Palm OS may actually gain marketshare compared to these new devices. I also think that Dell will overtake HP in Pocket PC marketshare within the next year. These predictions are not based on any solid facts, but I think these devices are too expensive for what they offer.

I would have to agree here. I was really looking for a GPRS phone/PDA combination. Most of the Pocket PC choices in Canada were running in the $800 range. I caved and got a Tungsten W which, after all of my rebates and a helluva deal at the store, will cost me $50 for the unit.

Of course there will be the argument that a "W" doesn't do what a PPC does (ie. multimedia). True. However, I think that most people who are getting a phone device will be looking at least at their 2nd or 3rd PDA. My PPC still handles the bulk of my duties but, with synching on the Palm, I'm able to take all stuff that I do on my PPC and do it on my Palm. The Palm is for taking everywhere and the PPC is for using at work.

Now, if the price of a PPC phone edition device was running in the $400 range I would have jumped at it. However, $50 or $800 and trying to be platform agnostic....it wasn't a hard decision.

[Len Egan]

I currently use a 4155 and love the small form factor.

Although it meets my needs, I too have been infected with the "get the new stuff" bug.

The 4705 looks like a great device. I like the additional storage and the VGA screen. HOWEVER, the size is intimidating, and it looks industrial. It looks quite large when compared to my 4150. I carry my handheld in my front pocket, and I am afrid that the 4705 would pull my pants down (humor).

It will be interesting to see them in person. Of course, if I can wait a few months, the price may also drop (as with all new devices).

I went to the Toshiba E-805 after have a 4155 for two weeks. I thought that the size would be a big deal but it really hasn't been. I can still pu the device in my shirt or pant pocket. No it doesn't pull them down. You just can't squeeze everything into the 19xx form factor!

[Duncan]

Can anyone tell me why I should not pick Asus 730 over HP 4700?

Because what you really need is a Loox 720...?! :wink:

[beq]

When will the 6300 be available and where to purchase??
I read from CNet (http://news.com.com/2102-1041_3-5282083.html):HP plans to sell the 6315 model exclusively with T-Mobile in North America, although HP will also sell a version of the device in Europe and Asia that can be used with other carriers' networks.

The company said it expects to sell hundreds of thousands of the devices worldwide in the first year. The T-Mobile version will sell for $499 with a 1-year service agreement and is expected to be available Aug. 26 from HP and from T-Mobile and those who sell its products.
Interesting to see the previously linked HPshopping listing the 6315 for $599 (presumably without contract but still locked to T-Mo?).

Anyways, I too am looking for a comparison of both the Pocket PC Phone Editions (6315, MPx, MDA III, ?), and the VGA pure Pocket PCs (4705, Asus 730, Loox 720, ?). I would love two sets of review comparisons focusing on both categories. FirstLoox's spec overview of VGA PPCs has been great for the latter category.

For PPC PE's, the CNet article made a big deal about how the 6315 on T-Mobile's network is supposedly able to hop between GPRS and Wi-Fi seamlessly in real-time and with synchronized billing and such (leading to a real possibility of seamless VoIP conversations). And that the Nokia 9500 is supposedly the only other cellular device able to do this. Or maybe I just misread the article??

So does that mean that
a) the MPX & MDA III and any other PPC PE's cannot do this, and
b) the 6315 also cannot do this on any other GSM provider's network (assuming you could buy an unlocked version of the 6315 to begin with)? I ask since I'm still contracted with ATTWS for quite awhile. Plus the 6315's quad-band (including 850MHz) seems a natural fit for both Cingular and ATTWS who are using that band for GSM (whereas I think T-Mobile is only using 1900MHz?).

[The PocketTV Team]

• HP iPAQ rx3700 series Mobile Media Companion
• HP iPAQ rx3400 series Mobile Media Companion


And as you can see, those two new devices come with PocketTV Enterprise Edition bundled in ROM :)

[The PocketTV Team]

what's the difference between pocket tv pro and the regular version?

One difference is in the licensing terms:

PocketTV Classic (the free version) can only be used for personal use.
PocketTV Enterprise Edition (PocketTV Pro) can be used for commercial / enterprise use.

Another difference is the performances and features:

There are some optimizations in PocketTV Pro that improve the performances (i.e. better video fluidity, higher fps) especially when playing MPEG files encoded with large size and high bitrate. Also, there are some features available in PocketTV Pro that are not in PocketTV Classic, such as the support for external VGA video output.

[FortimirCE]

Other than price... I think people are being awfully hard on the hx4705 which lies before us.

I may be in a minority, but I am thrilled to have one of these in my hands. I've got a Cassiopeia E-125, so size is not an issue to me. Besides, it's only 6.6oz... which will hardly pull your pants or shirt down.

Pros:
4" VGA screen
CompactFlash and SDIO
Integrated Bluetooth v1.2
802.11b integrated WLAN
antennae are INSIDE the device
sharp cobalt-colored Magnesium alloy casing
navigation touch-pad (pro to me)
blazing 624MHz processor
WM2003SE
USB2.0 connection
included 1800mA batter with the availability of 3600mA
18+ month lifespan
DOES NOT have GSM (I let my phone be a phone)
DOES NOT have a camera (I want to ensure that I can use this in public places, seeing as camera/pda phones are being banned at an alarming rate. Also, I have a nice camera that can be a camera)
doesn't have those stupid sleeves.

Cons
Price ($599.99 at ecost.com)
non-tactile D-pad (but who knows, it may not be that bad with some practice)
doesn't make me sandwiches after school
doesn't have the bio-metric fingerprint scanner


Also... I don't understand the fuss about the memory allocation. 55MB of actual program allocation memory is fantastic. I will be using a 1GB CF card for installing all my programs, and a 128MB SD card for all my GPS maps. Flash ROM is fantastic because you don't lose it in a hard reset. I used to use a program called JackFlash on my Palm IIIx and I used the flash ROM and I never had a problem with it ever.

Now, let's all get along out there and not be too hard on our friend the hx4705.

[Jonathon Watkins]

I may be in a minority, but I am thrilled to have one of these in my hands.

Welcome FortimirCE. 8) Just to clarify, are you saying that you would be happy to have one in your hands, or that you actually have one at the moment? If so, could you give us your impressions of the unit, especially of the touchscreen D-pad?

Now, let's all get along out there and not be too hard on our friend the hx4705.

Well, let us know how it performs then. :wink:

We're all still looking for the 'perfect' unit for ourselves. I'm glad if you've found yours. :)