New HP iPAQs Appear On CDW

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.aspx?key=ipaq&platform=all' target='_blank'>http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/resu...aq&platform=all</a><br /><br /></div>If you've been wondering what the price of the rumored upcoming iPAQs will be, this might be one strong suggestion: CDW is now listing the iPAQ rz1715, rx3415, rx3715, hx4705, and h6315 all with a "1-2 week" ship time. I don't know if this means anything concrete, but obviously things are happening behind the scenes. :)<br /><br /><b>Update:</b> Pictures of the products are rapidly leaking onto the web. Here's one picture of the 4705 from <a href="http://www.acephotodigital.com/sc/main_item.asp?id=964593837&rf=froogle&dfdate=07_08_2004">Ace Photo &amp; Digital</a>; note the touchpad. 8O <a href="http://www.xscale.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=517">XScale.de</a> has pictures of all the units as well.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20040712-iPAQ4700.jpg" />

[Birdman]

$599 for the 6315. I assume that has to be an unlocked version not paired with any carrier. This just may give us Canadians a chance!

[dmy]

Well..... several with cameras.... that's a non-starter for me (I'm regularly in clients' offices where devices with digital cameras are banned)

No mention of VGA screens.... here's hoping that this is an oversight in the specs because that's a second strike for me (No reason to upgrade my current iPAQ without it).

YMMV

D.

[Janak Parekh]

No mention of VGA screens.... here's hoping that this is an oversight in the specs because that's a second strike for me (No reason to upgrade my current iPAQ without it).
Rumors suggest only the iPAQ 4705 will have a VGA screen.

--janak

[David Johnston]

Oooh, touchpad... at least we'll have entered the analogue age! (I mean, I'm not just moving up/down/left/right at full speed, but up/down/left/right a certain amount).

Not sure about the looks though...

[huangzhinong]

No mention of VGA screens.... here's hoping that this is an oversight in the specs because that's a second strike for me (No reason to upgrade my current iPAQ without it).
Rumors suggest only the iPAQ 4705 will have a VGA screen.

--janak

Hx2700 will be VGA too. H is high, R is regular. X is extanded.

[darrylb]

Go read the other links that Janak linked to. They give more info.

[Ryan Joseph]

I think that touchpad has potential. It's certainly unique.

It's good to see HP is creating new, innovative products. A cursor on the screen controled by a touchpad, while not for everyone, could be really cool!

I can't wait to see one in person and try it out!

And if these devices are really as close as that site suggests, it'll only be a matter of days before they start showing up on eBay. :D

[jpjehu]

I actually liked the design of the 2215, 1945, 4155, etc - much better. it's really disappointing to see the death of the original svelte design of the ipaq.

On a side note - why can't I access proportable.com to check on my asus a730 order? Is the site down? I'm a bit confused...

[Stake]

Oooh, touchpad... at least we'll have entered the analogue age! (I mean, I'm not just moving up/down/left/right at full speed, but up/down/left/right a certain amount).

Not sure about the looks though...

Well, that's indeed possible but along with the standard D-Pad directions, the specs also include "mouse like cursor" which means that there will be a visual pointer onscreen. That's a very interesting feature.

Along with that, lots of RAM and storage 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM (btw, 80MB non-volitile RAM), VGA and for those music lovers, a 5 band EQ (hopefully hardware, not software.) Note: I think the RAM/ROM specs are reversed on the site.

Lastly, for those who absolutely need a flip cover (You know who you are), one is provided.

It's a just about a all in one device you can get. I only question the touchpad's ability for gaming. That wouldn't completely sink it for me but I'll have to see how it performs. Also, I'd love to see consumer-IR in this too. Looking at the picture, there's a chance that the IR port is on the upper part, maybe in the upper left hand corner) I also have to applaud HPs efforts to keep the size down with all the included features. I have a Toshbia E550G and based on the measurements of the 4700, it's slightly longer and a tad wider. The thickness is identical. It's only .6 ounces heavier (that's a given for the inclusion of wifi and possible material differences.) It's a very managable size.

As for styling, I really like it. It's very modern, sleek and thinner than the past iPaqs up to the 5550. But I guess that's just personal taste.

I'm looking foward to this PDA to hit the stores (rumored to be July 27) as this may be the first iPaq that I would most likely own unless I feel that the new MDA III is a better PDA overall. I also don't count out the MPx though I'm sure that Moto won't release a CDMA version.

[x999x]

Egads, looks like someone at HP was inspired by the Sony PSP.

http://zerodimension.net/mt/archives/psp.jpg

Maybe not a deadwringer, but it does share that sleek look and nearly invisible interface buttons.

[huangzhinong]

Along with that, lots of RAM and storage 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM (btw, 80MB non-volitile RAM), VGA and for those music lovers, a 5 band EQ (hopefully hardware, not software.) Note: I think the RAM/ROM specs are reversed on the site.
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Nope, you are mistake. It's 128mB rom.

[rhinoman]

"The powerful HP iPAQ hx4705 is a Microsoft Windows Powered Pocket PC
PDA designed with a visually stunning VGA color display, a broad range of feature-rich applications, integrated wireless capabilities, enhanced security and dual memory card slot expansion. "

"Big 4.0 inch transflective TFT VGA 64K color display allows better and easier viewing of documents, images, and web pages. "


"4 inch Display, Transflective type VGA TFT color, 64K colors, LED backlight with power save mode and Portrait and Landscape modes" :mrgreen:
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[Stake]

Along with that, lots of RAM and storage 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM (btw, 80MB non-volitile RAM), VGA and for those music lovers, a 5 band EQ (hopefully hardware, not software.) Note: I think the RAM/ROM specs are reversed on the site.
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Nope, you are mistake. It's 128mB rom.

I only say that because 128MB of ROM is too large for any current PPC. It can't be 64MB RAM because that would be a backward step from the 5500 series.

[corphack]

BTW, MobilePlanet is still listing the IBiz Laser keyboard in their catalog... and their vapor-ad has pictures!

All the entries mean is that HP's convinced CDW to include some listings in advance of receiving merchandise.

It don't mean a thing until you hear the cash register ca-ching!

[huangzhinong]

Along with that, lots of RAM and storage 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM (btw, 80MB non-volitile RAM), VGA and for those music lovers, a 5 band EQ (hopefully hardware, not software.) Note: I think the RAM/ROM specs are reversed on the site.
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Nope, you are mistake. It's 128mB rom.

I only say that because 128MB of ROM is too large for any current PPC. It can't be 64MB RAM because that would be a backward step from the 5500 series.

80Mb of the 128Mb is used for ipaq safe store. You can install software and put some documents in it. This configuration is better than h5550. Ram data will be lost upon hard reset. More ram consumes more power too.

[Foo Fighter]

That is one butt ugly mobile device. It looks like a prop from Battlestar Galactica. And I don't mean the new miniseries either, I'm talkingt the old school 1970s show. :|

[joelw135]

Here is the spec list for the HP:hx4705
Item Includes: HP iPAQ hx4705 Pocket PC Handheld, AC adapter, Plastic Flip Cover, Stylus, Getting Started Guide, HP iPAQ Pocket PC Companion CD.

* HP Ipaq HX4705 Pocket PC handheld is a serious business tool with a brilliant 4 inch high resolution display, outstanding performance, and versatile functionality in a sophisticated design.
* The powerful HP iPAQ hx4705 is a Microsoft Windows Powered Pocket PC PDA designed with a visually stunning VGA color display, a broad range of feature-rich applications, integrated wireless capabilities, enhanced security and dual memory card slot expansion.
* Sleek, powerful, and feature-rich HP iPAQ hx4705 Pocket PC is an essential asset for productivity both in and out of the office, to help you get more done on-the-go.
* Intel Bulverde 624MHz high performance processor raises your productivity to a whole new level.
* Big 4.0 inch transflective TFT VGA 64K color display allows better and easier viewing of documents, images, and web pages.
* Integrated Compact Flash Type II (CF) and Secure Digital SD card slots provide significant additional storage and functionality.
* Data encryption from HP ProtectTools powered by Credant provides enhanced protection for both your data and device (when enabled).
* VPN software provides enhanced security for wireless connection when accessing information remotely such as the Internet and email.
* 64-bit and 128-bit WEP offers enhanced security for an authorized connection and data transfer when connected wirelessly.
* Advanced level of security for wireless communication with support for LEAP, 802.1x, WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access), and CCX 1.0.
* Wireless capabilities so you stay connected in and out of the office:
o Integrated WLAN 802.11b (Wi-Fi) enables high-speed wireless access to the Internet, email and corporate data solutions.
o Integrated Bluetooth wireless technology for wireless communication with other Bluetooth devices.
o IrDA fast infrared (FIR) provides you with a fast (up to 4Mbps), cable free method of moving data via infrared.
* Unique touchpad with mouse-like cursor makes navigation easier and fun.
* Special design features on this HP Pocket PC handheld include 4 shortcut programmable buttons, Navigation Touch-pad, Touch-sensitive display for stylus or fingertip, Voice record button, Microphone and Speaker on front-side of unit.
* Key HP IPAQ HX4705 Pocket PC specifications include:
o Integrated wireless WLAN 802.11b, Bluetooth 1.2, IrDA (FIR), USB and Serial.
o Operating system: Microsoft Windows Mobile™ 2003 Second Edition software for Pocket PC Premium Edition.
o Pocket versions of Microsoft software are included (Outlook, Word, Excel and Internet Explorer for Pocket PC.
o Processor: 624 MHz Intel® Bulverde technology-based.
o 4 inch Display, Transflective type VGA TFT color, 64K colors, LED backlight with power save mode and Portrait and Landscape modes.
o 192 MB total memory (128 MB ROM and 64 MB SDRAM).
o Up to 135 MB user available memory that includes 80 MB iPAQ File Store.
o HP IPAQ HX4705 dimensions 5.17 x 3.03 x .59 inches (131 x 77 x 14.9 mm).
o Weight 6.6 oz (186.7g).
* Audio: Integrated microphone, speaker and one 3.5 mm stereo headphone/headset jack, MP3 stereo through audio jack and speaker, 5-band equalizer for playback through audio jack.
* Power sources: Removable/Rechargeable lithium-lon battery, or AC Power (AC Input: 100~240 Vac, 50/60 Hz).

[bigneeker]

imho these new ipaqs are ugly. they have a very industrial look to it and remind of those rugged ppcs that are marketed at industrial businesses. they are also very large in size.
why couldn't they follow asus steps and make a sleek, small device yet still manages to cram a vga screen and dual slots.

its sad because i am a big fan of the current ipaqs (especially the h4155) and i was excited to see what the next generation would be, but this is a dissapointment so far.

[tthiel]

The only one I would want is the 4705. I don't want the stupid integrated camera and goofy mirror shine back on the PDA which leaves me only the 4705 at $650 bucks. Or I could get a Dell X30 at less than half that price. Hello Dell! HP you screwed up.

[willkess71]

Well, just in case this is the unlocked version I placed an order with CDW. Heres hoping that it will work with my cingular account :wink: And that it will work with my Prius BT as a handsfree kit!

[Fishie]

No mention of VGA screens.... here's hoping that this is an oversight in the specs because that's a second strike for me (No reason to upgrade my current iPAQ without it).
Rumors suggest only the iPAQ 4705 will have a VGA screen.

--janak

Hx2700 will be VGA too. H is high, R is regular. X is extanded.

Urm acording to XScale.de the 2700 WONT have VGA.
If it does though it looks like a great buy.

[Fishie]

Along with that, lots of RAM and storage 128MB RAM, 64MB ROM (btw, 80MB non-volitile RAM), VGA and for those music lovers, a 5 band EQ (hopefully hardware, not software.) Note: I think the RAM/ROM specs are reversed on the site.
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Nope, you are mistake. It's 128mB rom.

I only say that because 128MB of ROM is too large for any current PPC. It can't be 64MB RAM because that would be a backward step from the 5500 series.

More RAM means more power to keep it alive, thats why they are switching to ROM instead of RAM, most of the RAM will be nin instaleable so you have 64MB of RAM to work with which you cant instal software to, thats what the ROM is for.

[Sven Johannsen]

I gotta get me one of those HP IPAQ HX4705 POCKET PCs. They don't know what they look like or what it does, but they're selling them for $649.99 with a 1-2 week shipping. Yea, right.

[PPCRules]

The only one I would want is the 4705. I don't want the stupid integrated camera and goofy mirror shine back on the PDA which leaves me only the 4705 at $650 bucks. Or I could get a Dell X30 at less than half that price. Hello Dell! HP you screwed up.
The extra money is for the Compact Flash slot, a must-have in my book.

[whydidnt]

I gotta get me one of those HP IPAQ HX4705 POCKET PCs. They don't know what they look like or what it does, but they're selling them for $649.99 with a 1-2 week shipping. Yea, right.

LOL :rotfl:

I guess it's probably wishful thinking on some of our part that this will be coming sooner rather than later.

Does anyone remember when HP released the PPC 2003 devices? Was the 2215 released in advance of the 5550 series? I have vague memories that this happened, but I was just so happy to get a fairly small, light, powerful PPC in the 2210 I wasn't really paying attention to the rest.

I think all of these units look a little industrial and lack the style of the Compaq developed IPAQ's. Off course, Dell has made a fortune selling beige boxes to the masses, so who knows, maybe HP's decided to try that tack.

I personally care less how "attractive" a device is. As long as it provides the function I want, in the size I want, I'm a happy customer.

Too bad we still don't see a highend clamshell PPC on the horizon.

[PR.]

The 4705 will replace my 5450.

Just hope the connector is the same as the old model otherwise I will have to replace all my cables :)

[ntractv]

The 4705 will replace my 5450.

Just hope the connector is the same as the old model otherwise I will have to replace all my cables :)

Goodbye 5555, Hello 4705

8O :D :mrgreen:

[dean_shan]

Unique touchpad with mouse-like cursor makes navigation easier and fun.

Weeee! Look Mom I'm navigating my Contacts! This is so fun!

[jngold_me]

HP's revenge for canning the Jornada series! 8O

A moment of silence for the "stylish" Ipaq's...... :cry:

[dean_shan]

I don't think it looks that bad.

[Oleander]

Goodbye 5555, Hello 4705

Goodbye 5450 with Navman sleeve, lifeview sleeve, dual cf sleeve, symbol sleeve, pcmcia sleeve, cf sleeve, madebywhitney sleeve and stowaway keyboard, Hello 4705 with... with.... oh, well! Hello 5550 on sale soon!

[badbob001]

Lastly, for those who absolutely need a flip cover (You know who you are), one is provided.

Where does it mention the flip cover?

It would be cool if they imbedded a keyboard skin over the touchpad area so one could have a keyboard available all the time. Like this:

http://www.palmblvd.com/images/articles/silkybasic_II.gif

[Jereboam]

Does anyone actually know what the 4xxx will be made of? I am assuming plastic...I hope it is solidly put together, nothing will annoy me more than a creaking iPaq.

Didn't I read somewhere that the "consumer" version was going to have a camera built-in also?

Anyway, as a few people have said, despite some initial misgivings about the looks, this will be my 5450 replacement.

The change in ROM/RAM philosophy also makes perfect sense. More analagous to an actual PC, ie HDD/RAM. About time.

J'bm

[paris]

if only the HP iPAQ rx3715 had a VGA screen ONLY then i would upgrade my H4150. Its the same size but only 3mm more fat.

Anyone knows whats the speed of the Samsung S3C 2440 processor???

[webagogue]

Maybe this means that HP will finally get around to releasing a 2003se ROM for the 41xx? Off topic... I know, I know.

Here's something relevant... anyone ever notice that the prices at Comuter Discount Warehouse are usually 20% higher than most everyone else? :devilboy:

[mar2k]

Do any of these have the new 2700G graphics accelerator from Intel? I guess not due to it not being mentioned.

I don't mind the look but I want to see some benchmarks before deciding whether to finally upgrade. Actually IMO, the only reasons I can see for upgrading are the 624MHz Xscale and the VGA screen. That pretty much rules out everything but the hx4705 I think.

I wish we had a firm release date. You know midnight the day prior all those NDAs will expire and we'll have multiple reviews of all these devices.

[Stake]

Lastly, for those who absolutely need a flip cover (You know who you are), one is provided.

Where does it mention the flip cover?


You have to go the page with the specs on it. It tells you what's included with the iPaq.

[Stake]

I don't believe this was posted before...

From the FCC:

RX3715/3415
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/oet/forms/reports/Search_Form.hts?mode=Edit&form=Exhibits&application_id=329190&fcc_id=NM8DF

The h6300 is probably old news but if you're interested in the manual...
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/oet/forms/reports/Search_Form.hts?mode=Edit&form=Exhibits&application_id=648371&fcc_id=GKRP5TH6300

Couldn't find any others but I'll keep looking

[bigray327]

Awesome. That 4705 is one good-looking PDA, IMHO. I'm buying one the milisecond they come out, to replace my 2215.

[Duncan]

I don't believe this was posted before...

From the FCC:

RX3715/3415
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/oet/forms/reports/Search_Form.hts?mode=Edit&form=Exhibits&application_id=329190&fcc_id=NM8DF

The h6300 is probably old news but if you're interested in the manual...
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/oet/forms/reports/Search_Form.hts?mode=Edit&form=Exhibits&application_id=648371&fcc_id=GKRP5TH6300

Couldn't find any others but I'll keep looking

Both old news I'm afraid. There are no other new iPAQs on the FCC site currently.

[ombu]

As far as I can see, no new model is better than my beloved 2210, and I can prove it because as I said, I own a 2210, and no new model seems to defeat it right now, and I won't bin my 2210, and I'll keep my mind until my brand new HX4705 arrives, period. :twisted:

[Stake]

Both old news I'm afraid. There are no other new iPAQs on the FCC site currently.

Must have missed the 3700 series news. Thanks.

[Rob Alexander]

I'm rather disappointed by HP's new lineup. I'm either underwhelmed by the device (everything but the 4705) or I'm overwhelmed by the price (4705). The 4705 sounds like an impressive device, and I'd love to have one, but there's just no way I'm going to lay down $650 for a PPC. I'll stick with my 2215 until someone releases a reasonably priced VGA device about the same size as the 2215.

[Boxster S]

rx3715 -- 400MHz

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/be/nl/sm/WF13a/22795-511461-511461-511461-511461-8109663.html

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/be/nl/sm/WF05a/22795-511461-511461-511461-511461-8109663.html

[alex_kac]

Do any of these have the new 2700G graphics accelerator from Intel? I guess not due to it not being mentioned.

I don't mind the look but I want to see some benchmarks before deciding whether to finally upgrade. Actually IMO, the only reasons I can see for upgrading are the 624MHz Xscale and the VGA screen. That pretty much rules out everything but the hx4705 I think.

I wish we had a firm release date. You know midnight the day prior all those NDAs will expire and we'll have multiple reviews of all these devices.

Not everything is always provided in the specs. A lot of times specs don't give away what you and I consider important info and sometimes the specs can be too long if it included every little thing, so they keep the critical info that's required and you find out the cool stuff on the website and such. Also helps keep info from being leaked that they don't want leaked.

[van_mierlo]

Ok...this is great,

just sold my hp 5550 today and will travel to the states the 25th of July through August 15th.

Any idea which stores will have these available?

[Mark Johnson]

I'm rather disappointed by HP's new lineup...

I'll stick with my 2215 until someone releases a reasonably priced VGA device about the same size as the 2215.

I'm with Rob. The hx4705 is a lot bigger than the 2215. And I thought the 2215 was too much bigger than my 1910 to make me willing to carry it (despite it's faster performance than the 1910).

It's a real bummer that we've waited this long for VGA to see it show up only on the "Goliath" sized unit...

Also, did you notice that even their smallest unit (the QVGA rz1715) didn't get slimmed down AT ALL relative to the 1900 series?! It is just slightly longer, wider, AND thicker than the 1900! (Come on HP, not even smaller in even ONE dimension?) And since it is a "box" design, it will "feel" much more like a "big brick" than the 1900.

I'm actually giving serious thought to just sticking with my 1910 and sitting this round out entirely. What on earth has happened here?!? I'm actually using the same PPC I that I've had for almost 20 months now! The wierdest thing is that I wouldn't really mind the $650 (I figure I "average" one $300 PPC per year and I'm "overdue") but I just "don't care" about any of the units showing up. HP is slathering the word "multimedia" over these units, but that's just strange. For most multimedia (audio/mp3) the last TWO product cycles are more than adequate (I have no problems playing mp3s on my 1910, so why upgrade?) And for the smaller (but growing) video user base, the real draw would be VGA which only ONE unit has. It's like the marketing department thinks "multimedia" is some sort of magic word that will make people open their wallets...

[DHILL]

I have been waiting for the 4700 since it was first leaked. I want to replace my 5555. I really want the VGA screen. I wish that they had left the memory at 64ROM/128RAM, but I can see the power savings by using ROM instead of RAM to load programs. It is not the prettiest thing out there, but I am excited. It is actually slightly smaller than the 5555 w/o the sleeve (I use the CF+ sleeve). So for me it is in fact smaller. I think the battery is also much larger in terms of power. All plusses that outweigh the looks.

[bnycastro]

The 47xx looks promising except for the 'touchpad' I would have to see and use it first before deciding; I am not convinced it is practical on a ppc.
Will hold on to my 2210 for now.

I don't mind the boxy look it looks very proffesional too me :D

[Kevin Daly]

Eeek!
That is so squarish and angular and...generally boring and ugly looking.

Very disappointing after the frighteningly beautiful 4150

[Stephen Beesley]

Once again I seem to be in the minority here when it comes to aesthetics -I really love the look of these devices. I was never sold on the whole iPaq 19xx, 4xxx look. Yes they do remind me of the style of my ol' Jornada (show me the flip cover :D )so maybe it is the HP world design view re-asserting itself - which is fine by me!

I would have to see the touchpad in action, but I think the 4700 would be just about the exact device I would like to replace my Jornada with. Unfortunatly, I cannot see myself justifying that sort of cash anytime soon :cry:, but maybe in six months to a year when some factory refurb units start to hit ebay.....

One thing I am curious about is the "HP custom today screen plug-in" shown in some of the images - I think I actually prefer that approach to having the normal PPC today screen. Of course only if you could still skin the background...

[cyp]

The hx4700 looks very Newton-like

http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_newton_mp_2000.gif

[Stephen Beesley]

Ahh now there is something I missed :D Indeed it does look a lot like the Message Pad 2xxx series of Newtons (I should have spotted this as I have one sitting on my desk at home :D ).

No wonder I like the aesthetics!

[Boxster S]

Aren't these things supposed to add features and get smaller? Not the other way around!!!

Ditch the darn camera and make something 4150 sized. Until then, I'm sticking with my 4150.

[rodh]

I'm always amused by the reactions to the size of new-generation ppcs. I know the 4700 is bigger than the 4100, but in ultimate dimensions the 4700 is practically the same size as my 3970 and the original "svelte" ipaq. So if you look at the original, they've added SD, CF, bluetooth, wifi, a 4" vga screen, more memory, and a removable battery while keeping it about the same size. I've got bluetooth & SD, but none of the rest of that list, so this looks like a winner to me. Sure, I'd like it to be smaller, but the 4700 would make me sleeve-free, which drastically reduces the stuff to carry around on trips.

Obviously, I don't upgrade often, but it's getting that time again. VGA & bluetooth are on my must-have list, with CF and wifi as nice-but-not-essential. Can't wait to see some real comparisons of the Asus and the 4700.

[JPack]

Once again I seem to be in the minority here when it comes to aesthetics -I really love the look of these devices. I was never sold on the whole iPaq 19xx, 4xxx look.
I'm with you. It's sleek and sturdy but not too utilitarian like a Dell.

I think one of the reasons for the squarish look is that they are all landscape-capable. The h4100 for instance, looks great in a portrait orientation, but once it's landscape, it looks weird.

[robcorn]

I placed a pre-order through CDW for the h6315 and in talking with CDW, here is what they told me:

"That model is currently on backorder but we have an estimate for them to come into stock on or around July 19th. Its a brand new model and this will be our first shipment.
We expect 100 units to arrive for the first shipment and you are number 19 on the waiting list."

So I guess if you are interested in this model and want to get one of the first, place your order...I love my Treo but gotta get back to a Pocket PC!!! :wink:

[Boxster S]

I'm always amused by the reactions to the size of new-generation ppcs. I know the 4700 is bigger than the 4100, but in ultimate dimensions the 4700 is practically the same size as my 3970 and the original "svelte" ipaq. So if you look at the original, they've added SD, CF, bluetooth, wifi, a 4" vga screen, more memory, and a removable battery while keeping it about the same size. I've got bluetooth & SD, but none of the rest of that list, so this looks like a winner to me. Sure, I'd like it to be smaller, but the 4700 would make me sleeve-free, which drastically reduces the stuff to carry around on trips.

Obviously, I don't upgrade often, but it's getting that time again. VGA & bluetooth are on my must-have list, with CF and wifi as nice-but-not-essential. Can't wait to see some real comparisons of the Asus and the 4700.

The original "svelte" iPAQ was the 1910

[iPAQ_ace]

Does anyone actually know what the 4xxx will be made of? I am assuming plastic...I hope it is solidly put together, nothing will annoy me more than a creaking iPaq.

Didn't I read somewhere that the "consumer" version was going to have a camera built-in also?


No camera on the consumer model of the hx4700's. This will be the first iPAQ with a magnesium casing... I'm looking forward to trying one out to have a better feel of it.

[arnage2]

Now what will i do? sell my x30 and get a A730, or do i get the new hp, or do i keep the dell? :?

[theoak]

I currently do not own any PPC or Palm based device. So I am real new here so be patient with me :)

I almost purchased an Axim X30 last month and then heard that HP was going to release new models in July (a VGA one in particular), so I thought I would wait.

I really like the idea of a VGA based PDA. You get more on the screen and surfing would be easier. So I am going to hold out for a VGA based PDA; hence, the reason why I waited.

If the 4705 came with a charging cradle and the cables to hook up to your PC, I would probably be all over it. But for $650 clams and all you get is the PPC, that is pretty hard to swallow for me.

For $450 I can get a 600 MHz X30 with a charging/sync'ing cradle, some extra memory and a case.

Maybe I will wait for Dell's VGA version to come out with the graphics chip. If it turns out that the 4705 has the graphics chip ... it might be really tempting to get the HP now versus wait for the Dell.

I think I will also wait for a review or two to come out on the 4705 with the touch pad cursor first before I consider a purchase.

The 4705 sure looks like a nice unit. It has all the features I want (other than the graphics chip?). But for the money ... I may end up waiting for the Dell. You seem to get more bang for your buck is seems with Dell. I get the impression that if Dell were to charge $650 for their VGA unit, I would at least get a cradle, case and cables out of it.

Otherwise ... the 4705 looks like an impressive unit.

My 2 cents.

[JPack]

If the 4705 came with a charging cradle and the cables to hook up to your PC, I would probably be all over it. But for $650 clams and all you get is the PPC, that is pretty hard to swallow for me.

I sincerely doubt it lacks a cradle and/or cable.

[theoak]

This is what I find for the box contents:

HP iPAQ hx4705 Pocket PC Handheld, AC adapter, Plastic Flip Cover, Stylus, Getting Started Guide, HP iPAQ Pocket PC Companion CD.

The AC adapter could be a sync cable to the PC, but with it not explicitly stating so, I have to assume that it does not.

I would welcome anyone proving me wrong here :)

[dmy]

The only one I would want is the 4705. I don't want the stupid integrated camera and goofy mirror shine back on the PDA which leaves me only the 4705 at $650 bucks. Or I could get a Dell X30 at less than half that price. Hello Dell! HP you screwed up.
The extra money is for the Compact Flash slot, a must-have in my book.

CF is a "I don't care" feature.... for me I'd rather have it thinner.... but I'll put up with it. Frankly, I'd go for the Dell too..... except that Dell has decided that the US market doesn't need Bluetooth, and that's my first and foremost non-starter.

D.

[JPack]

This is what I find for the box contents:

HP iPAQ hx4705 Pocket PC Handheld, AC adapter, Plastic Flip Cover, Stylus, Getting Started Guide, HP iPAQ Pocket PC Companion CD.

The AC adapter could be a sync cable to the PC, but with it not explicitly stating so, I have to assume that it does not.

I would welcome anyone proving me wrong here :)

The rx3715 says: -

HP iPAQ rx3715 Mobile Media Companion PDA, AC adapter, Desktop Cradle or USB Sync cable, Carrying case, Stylus....

For the h6315, the description includes "Slim removable battery" while none of the other units do - which suggests they lack a battery.

Personally, I don't trust the provided descriptions. I could be naïve, but it just doesn't seem likely that the unit won't come with any cable or cradle.

[Stake]

CF is a "I don't care" feature.... for me I'd rather have it thinner.... but I'll put up with it. Frankly, I'd go for the Dell too..... except that Dell has decided that the US market doesn't need Bluetooth, and that's my first and foremost non-starter.

D.

Well, Dell decided that the US did deserve BT...
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/axim_x30_high?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

[Andy Whiteford]

I must admit to being somewhat underwhelmed as well with this new line up from HP. The 4700 model is the only one of interest due to the VGA screen which is the only reason I will upgrade from my 4150. I'm not too into this new look although I'm sure these devices will look better in person although either way I'm more than likely to be using it in a case so the styling is more or less a moot point once its dressed up in a leather covering.
I just feel the new Asus and Loox VGA models are a little more tempting for me at this moment in time due to the smaller size. Coming from the h4150, size is most definitely an issue for me but of course I will wait until these devices are out there before deciding on one or waiting for the next generation of VGA devices. I have no need for a camera or CF slot so hopefully someone will release a device without these meaning either a smaller device or much improved battery capacity.

[rodh]

I'm always amused by the reactions to the size of new-generation ppcs. I know the 4700 is bigger than the 4100, but in ultimate dimensions the 4700 is practically the same size as my 3970 and the original "svelte" ipaq. So if you look at the original, they've added SD, CF, bluetooth, wifi, a 4" vga screen, more memory, and a removable battery while keeping it about the same size. I've got bluetooth & SD, but none of the rest of that list, so this looks like a winner to me. Sure, I'd like it to be smaller, but the 4700 would make me sleeve-free, which drastically reduces the stuff to carry around on trips.

Obviously, I don't upgrade often, but it's getting that time again. VGA & bluetooth are on my must-have list, with CF and wifi as nice-but-not-essential. Can't wait to see some real comparisons of the Asus and the 4700.

The original "svelte" iPAQ was the 1910

While I don't disagree, what I was referring to was the first gen ppc's and the acclaim given to the original 3600 design...which so far in this thread has been called goliath-sized and brick-like. 8O

Don't get me wrong, I'm basically just amused with the tone of some of the posts. I'd like to go smaller than my 3970, but the 4700 sure crams a lot of stuff into the basic form factor that I'm currently using. Now, if I had a 1900 or 4100, I don't think I could take the size increase. Same thing with cell phones...once I got used to a small phone there was no going back, no matter what features the bigger ones offer.

[jmbneaf]

Well I don't know what the HP Corp is saying about releases in such....

I took a gamble and ordered a H6315 through our CDW corp discount program, understanding it may take 1-2 weeks to get it with an estimated release end of this month. :roll:

Per my CDW rep, my H6315 will be here 7/20 ! 8O

I am eagerly hoping that this is indeed the case and the real deal. :devilboy:

-JB

[smittyofdhs]

I contacted by CDW rep today and only 100 6315 PPCPE units are on order (my order was number 26).

[badbob001]

The 4700 looks like it's geared toward landscape mode with the top and bottom looking alike. But why not add buttons/a touchpad to the top piece to complete the design (like this: Jackito (http://www.jackito-pda.com)). And some shoulder buttons would be nice (like this: bsquare (http://bsquare.com/products/powerhandheld.asp)).

[jmbneaf]

I contacted by CDW rep today and only 100 6315 PPCPE units are on order (my order was number 26).
Mine said the same thing. 100 on order + 20 backordered. Get one while you can... 8)

-JB

[Fishie]

I'm rather disappointed by HP's new lineup...

I'll stick with my 2215 until someone releases a reasonably priced VGA device about the same size as the 2215.

I'm with Rob. The hx4705 is a lot bigger than the 2215. And I thought the 2215 was too much bigger than my 1910 to make me willing to carry it (despite it's faster performance than the 1910).

It's a real bummer that we've waited this long for VGA to see it show up only on the "Goliath" sized unit...

Also, did you notice that even their smallest unit (the QVGA rz1715) didn't get slimmed down AT ALL relative to the 1900 series?! It is just slightly longer, wider, AND thicker than the 1900! (Come on HP, not even smaller in even ONE dimension?) And since it is a "box" design, it will "feel" much more like a "big brick" than the 1900.

I'm actually giving serious thought to just sticking with my 1910 and sitting this round out entirely. What on earth has happened here?!? I'm actually using the same PPC I that I've had for almost 20 months now! The wierdest thing is that I wouldn't really mind the $650 (I figure I "average" one $300 PPC per year and I'm "overdue") but I just "don't care" about any of the units showing up. HP is slathering the word "multimedia" over these units, but that's just strange. For most multimedia (audio/mp3) the last TWO product cycles are more than adequate (I have no problems playing mp3s on my 1910, so why upgrade?) And for the smaller (but growing) video user base, the real draw would be VGA which only ONE unit has. It's like the marketing department thinks "multimedia" is some sort of magic word that will make people open their wallets...

I have said this a dozen times or so but here goes AGAIN, Asus 730, its about the same size as a 1910 only thicker to acomodate for the bigger battery and dual slots.

[Rob Alexander]

Don't get me wrong, I'm basically just amused with the tone of some of the posts. I'd like to go smaller than my 3970, but the 4700 sure crams a lot of stuff into the basic form factor that I'm currently using. Now, if I had a 1900 or 4100, I don't think I could take the size increase. Same thing with cell phones...once I got used to a small phone there was no going back, no matter what features the bigger ones offer.

And that's all that's happening here; our ideas of size are relative to what we're used to. When the 3600 first came out, it really was svelte (without the sleeve) next to what we all had before. But once you've used something smaller, it's really hard to go larger again.

When I went to buy my current PPC, I was planning on getting a 55xx, but when I held it and then held the 2215, I just had to have the smaller device. (Saved me a few $$$ as well.) Now I'm just unwilling to move back up to a larger device. As far as I'm concerned, if they released a new PPC that was exactly like the 2215 with the addition of VGA and WiFi, I'd jump on it in a minute, but none of these new offerings motivates me to open my wallet.

[Janak Parekh]

I have said this a dozen times or so but here goes AGAIN, Asus 730, its about the same size as a 1910 only thicker to acomodate for the bigger battery and dual slots.
Agreed - and gamers are looking forward to the d-pad, which the 4700 lacks for this mysterious touchpad. I have to say, I want to get my hands on a 4700 just to see how and/or why the touchpad works...

--janak

[huangzhinong]

I have said this a dozen times or so but here goes AGAIN, Asus 730, its about the same size as a 1910 only thicker to acomodate for the bigger battery and dual slots.
Agreed - and gamers are looking forward to the d-pad, which the 4700 lacks for this mysterious touchpad. I have to say, I want to get my hands on a 4700 just to see how and/or why the touchpad works...

--janak

Janak, tell you a secret, you can handwrite on the touchpad, so it basically function as PALM hard writing area. Cheers.


































Just a joke. :D

[van_mierlo]

I have said this a dozen times or so but here goes AGAIN, Asus 730, its about the same size as a 1910 only thicker to acomodate for the bigger battery and dual slots.
Agreed - and gamers are looking forward to the d-pad, which the 4700 lacks for this mysterious touchpad. I have to say, I want to get my hands on a 4700 just to see how and/or why the touchpad works...

--janak

Janak, tell you a secret, you can handwrite on the touchpad, so it basically function as PALM hard writing area. Cheers.


Just a joke. :D

Good....very good :devilboy:

[vagabras]

This is what I find for the box contents:

HP iPAQ hx4705 Pocket PC Handheld, AC adapter, Plastic Flip Cover, Stylus, Getting Started Guide, HP iPAQ Pocket PC Companion CD.

The AC adapter could be a sync cable to the PC, but with it not explicitly stating so, I have to assume that it does not.

I would welcome anyone proving me wrong here :)

Do you know if the "Plastic Flip Cover" is the same style as the cover for the 3800, 3900, 5400, 5500?

[epdm]

Interesting to see the reactions.

Well here my opinion for the looks. Someone wrote before that the "current" range of ipacs were not "designed" by HP themselves. And that poster also wrote that this is the reason why the new line-up looks so different. The problem is that design-wise they are even further from the cool futuristic Compaq design. So easthetically speaking the new devices suck big time!

Now from a technological viewpoint. Again it seems a step back from current range. In essence they just re-released the old jornada with less sex-apeal in the low end (which is even slower than a 300MHz Xscale model.. booooooo). The models in between offer nothing substantially new. As for the top line model. What ******** is this? It's not only a no-go for gamers (whom require buttons and a D-pad to play games) but also lame. Especially if we see that Microsoft is making efforts to increase game-playing on PPC. Also consider this: Palm is ditching their scratch pad in favour of a bigger screen and a virtual pad and HP is introducing a pad as the next big thing????? ARE THEY NUTS? IS THIS HOW THEY WANT TO RETAIN THE MARKET?

Sorry but I feel that Toshiba left the PDA market a bit too soon. In fact the more I see this **** the more I'm thinking of getting a E800-BT. This has a 128MB Ram + 32MB NAND, both CF and SD and a great 4"VGA screen (which is even great considering brightness and colourreproduction in QVGA). Or I'll go for that Asus model but HP is definitly loosing it. It seems that not only did they loose their heritage with the burying of the Jornada but I think with the takeover of compaq none of the original Ipaq designers still work for HP and it shows.

This is mixture of fast and slow processors with uninteresting standard lame lcd's and the assumption that adding BT and Wifi will be suficient to keep ppl interested in their product range. It's clear for me HP is a NOGO.

To all the HP-followers I hope you'll fun with your new machine (at least you'll be able to brag to your friends) though I fear that playing Rayman or racingdays will be a big trouble :)

C U

[Janak Parekh]

Just a joke. :D
You sure? :lol:

--janak

[marjon]

Anyone out there know of a UK supplier doing pre-orders for the new ipaqs ?

TIA

marjon

[tikko]

I contacted by CDW rep today and only 100 6315 PPCPE units are on order (my order was number 26).

Estimated delivery date is 7/19, but wireless team member informed me the date would probably be pushed back and a new date was not given. Also, TMobile has a 90-day lock on the product and it cannot be purchased without activation. CDW also indicates TMobile has not yet decided which reseller will be first to distribute.

[ctmagnus]

I'm looking at these things and thinking "If you hollowed one of these out, it'd make a good soap dish."

Ugh, way too symmetrical.

[dmy]

CF is a "I don't care" feature.... for me I'd rather have it thinner.... but I'll put up with it. Frankly, I'd go for the Dell too..... except that Dell has decided that the US market doesn't need Bluetooth, and that's my first and foremost non-starter.

D.

Well, Dell decided that the US did deserve BT...
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/axim_x30_high?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Well give me rogane and call me Elmo.... Last that I'd heard is that the Bluetooth models were for Europe only. Glad to hear that Dell is joining the small-but-growing conga line.

But alas..... no VGA on the X30. (and I'll check out the other models on the Dell site to see if there's another before I say that definitively :oops: )

Cheers,
D.

[Stake]

Interesting to see the reactions.

Well here my opinion for the looks. Someone wrote before that the "current" range of ipacs were not "designed" by HP themselves. And that poster also wrote that this is the reason why the new line-up looks so different. The problem is that design-wise they are even further from the cool futuristic Compaq design. So easthetically speaking the new devices suck big time!

Now from a technological viewpoint. Again it seems a step back from current range. In essence they just re-released the old jornada with less sex-apeal in the low end (which is even slower than a 300MHz Xscale model.. booooooo). The models in between offer nothing substantially new. As for the top line model. What cow poopie is this? It's not only a no-go for gamers (whom require buttons and a D-pad to play games) but also lame. Especially if we see that Microsoft is making efforts to increase game-playing on PPC. Also consider this: Palm is ditching their scratch pad in favour of a bigger screen and a virtual pad and HP is introducing a pad as the next big thing????? ARE THEY NUTS? IS THIS HOW THEY WANT TO RETAIN THE MARKET?

Sorry but I feel that Toshiba left the PDA market a bit too soon. In fact the more I see this s**t the more I'm thinking of getting a E800-BT. This has a 128MB Ram + 32MB NAND, both CF and SD and a great 4"VGA screen (which is even great considering brightness and colourreproduction in QVGA). Or I'll go for that Asus model but HP is definitly loosing it. It seems that not only did they loose their heritage with the burying of the Jornada but I think with the takeover of compaq none of the original Ipaq designers still work for HP and it shows.

C U

I'd hate to say it but the same company (HTC) who designed the original iPaq, also designed these models.

I think that we're all curious on how the pad actually functions/feels when we're all used to mechanical ones. Who knows, it may be better, it may be worse. I thnk the move to a touchpad was to increase the already scarce usable space instead of taking it up with mechanical buttons.

Are you also saying that the e805 is better than the 4705 specwise?? I have to say no because spec for spec, the iPaq wins. They both have 4" VGA screens, SD & CF. What the 4705 has over the Toshiba: Bluetooth 1.2 (for possible audio streaming capability. ie wireless headphones and improved freqency hopping, and more: http://www.ericsson.com/bluetooth/files/newsletter5_0403_lores.pdf ) , dual wireless, a 624mhz proc and it's smaller overall.

I think you're counting HP out too early. No one that I know of has seen these in person or have used them. Until then, I can't draw a complete conclusion whether or not these suck or the best PDA on the planet. The 4705 was meant for business, not necessarily comsumers. That's what the other models below it are for. I don't think gaming was a priority in the design.

[Kevin Daly]

It escapes me why HP think that nobody other than the semi-mythical Enterprise user has any need for VGA...frankly I see no point in me trying to use Word, Excel or PIE until I get it (I know people do and I'm happy for them).

As for the omission of a DPad and buttons from the high-end model: realistically, the only Pocket PCs that never get used for games or other non-business activities are ruggedised models. And I'm not sure about them. I stress that this is not an invitation for corporate chalk monitors to tell me how sinful it is to play games or music on company hardware.
That is a point of view that may be consigned to That Dark & Dismal Place Never Visited By The Chariot Of Apollo :devilboy:

I suppose we could put a positive spin on this and say HP are selflessly preventing the Pocket PC market from becoming a monopoly... 0X

[Kati Compton]

I wrote a note to HP in their "Contact" form saying that if the 47xx had a d-pad instead of a touchpad, I would definitely have bought it (which is true). But that the touchpad will make me buy an Asus 730 instead (most likely true).

So far I've gotten about 5 "confirmations" that I send them a "pre-purchase question" (the closest I could find to a feedback form), but no response. Not sure why I need 5 confirmations that I sent them a message, though.

[Take1]

I am like many 4150 owners who simply LOVE their unit's size, looks... well everything.... except the QVGA screen - a VGA screen would make the 4150 PERFECT.

Instead we get the skateboard from Back to the Future :cry:


I'm probably going to pick up the ASUS/Loox/Fujitsu (whichever is available in the US) -- since it's pretty close in size and looks to the 4150-- when it comes out later this year. Unless Dell can pull something out of their hat (HP's in a VERY vulnerable position with this round of ugly ducklings), Asus is the only real compact VGA wifi unit.

[disconnected]

I'm pretty sure I'll be getting the 4700, but I don't see what the touchpad is for, when the whole screen of a ppc is really a touchpad?
Also, with no d-pad, how would you turn pages in a book?

[Mark Johnson]

I have said this a dozen times or so but here goes AGAIN, Asus 730, its about the same size as a 1910 only thicker to acomodate for the bigger battery and dual slots.

While it is indeed true that the size increase is primarily in one dimension (thickness), it is a substantial difference. Also, consider the weight of the A730 (at 190 grams more than 50% heavier than the iPaq 1900's) and it is a similarly noticeable increase.

The A730 is overall a nice unit (and if I do buy anything this cycle, it will probably be that one), but the A730 really is more of the "big brother" of the svelte/1900/4100 series, not the rightful heir of the "super-portable/truly-pocketable PPC" title.

The real problem is not so much that the PPCs003SE units are orders-of-magnitude larger, it is simply that there is NO progress in overall size reduction for the PPC platform since the iPaq 1910 (December of 2002). For those of us who consider "portability" as the major issue in a PDA, the PPC2003SE cycle has really not been worth the wait, and the wait has been VERY long.

[arnage2]

cdw has 800 of the 64mb 3000 series ipaq comming on the 19th of july

[Mark Johnson]

I'm pretty sure I'll be getting the 4700, but I don't see what the touchpad is for, when the whole screen of a ppc is really a touchpad?
Also, with no d-pad, how would you turn pages in a book?

Actually, the touchpad is the one thing about the hx4700 that seems like it could end up being really cool:

1) When I'm reading through notes in Pocket Word, or a page in Pocket Internet Explorer, I constantly find myself wanting to "page up" or "page down" in increments of less than or more than one screen at a time. With a touchpad, a slow downstroke could move the page down slowly, and a fast one could move multiple pages. This could be as great of an innovation for the PPC as the wheel mouse was for the desktop. I, for one, would never want to surf the net without one, as I'm constantly useing the wheel on webpages.

2) Consider how navigating lists of contacts or lists of albums in your media player software could be improved. Say that you open your music list and start at "Aerosmith" and want to scroll down to "ZZ Top." With a d-pad you can use a d-pad to press down 26 times, but that is really time consuming. Or you press-and-hold down and the auto-repeat starts in a couple of seconds, but that also is pretty crummy because it never stops quite where you want to. The combination of fast down strokes for large jumps in the list and then slower strokes as you get near your destination could be a GREAT improvement in navigation. This is pretty much what the scroll function on the iPod does, which is really the main improvement of that unit over other mp3 players. IMHO.

It will all depend on how effectively the software takes advantage of the possibilites. I'm looking forward to giving it a try at my local Best Buy when the hx4700 does show up. Unless it is just an amazing improvement in usability I, wouldn't want to actually buy the hx4700 though since it's just so much bigger that the 1910.

[bnycastro]

Mark J you make valid points and IMO the touchpad is a make or break part of this device for me as well (it would be nice to see a 1.3MP cam on a consumer/personal model though)... I guess we really have to wait for the device and see for ourselves; first hand; before we do judge it. All in all I think these pocket pcs are going to be released to address a wider spectrum of potential users. Sort of like Nokia's strategy... which makes good business sense. As for the look again I must say that this is purely relative... To me they look fine and very professional (atleast from the leaked pics). Size is purely relative as well while I understand others sentiments on this you can only cram so much into such a footprint.

For now I am trying my best to hold off on buying a Pocket PC until the next OS (or if the WM2003SE upgrades come out maybe this would give me a sense of being up-to-speed)... the GADGET LUST :twisted: might get to me though with these new iPAQs on the way as well as offerings from other manufacturers this will be a test of wills!

[DHILL]

It looks like CDW removed the prices and changed the ordering to "Call" for all of the new Ipaqs except the 6300. I wonder what that means. I was hoping to get the HX-4707 early next week. I guess not.

[marjon]

Anyone out there know of a UK supplier doing pre-orders for the new ipaqs ?

TIA

marjon

Anyone ?

Are there any sites (well respected suppliers) anyone can suggest to check?

[Jereboam]

I normally monitor Expansys for new hardware in the UK.

J'bm

[arnage2]

*cough* you will be plesently surprised on the 19th *cough*

[willkess71]

Just checked the iPAQs at CDW. Only the current models are listed at this time. I really hope they are not changing the pre-orders already placed.

I guess we will see.

[arnage2]

perhaps hp told them to take it off of their site. The same thing happened last year with mobile planet. hp told mobile planet to take the new ipaqs (at the time it was 2210, 1940 and 5555) off of their site untill a given date.

[Yoonoo]

I was still able to get to the iPAQ 6315 page from my CDW invoice

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=661143

However, now there's this note on there:
"Note:
This product hasn't started to sell yet.
We expect this product will be
available around Thursday, August 26, 2004."

Sounds like we're in for another delay. :(

[Steven Cedrone]

Posts about problems with Alex's (Pocket Informant) web site have been moved here:

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30002&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Steve

[marjon]

I normally monitor Expansys for new hardware in the UK.

J'bm

Thanks J'bm

Cannot find a mention of the 47xx on their website though :cry:

Although they do have the rz1715 (asian import), rx3415 (asian import) and rx3715 (english) available on pre-order.

marjon

[Sparkomatic]

It's interesting... first T-Mobile puts the 6315 up on their website and then it's gone. Then CDW puts all the new HP's up and takes orders and then their gone. It seems very silly to me. Don't put them up until you have a firm release date! Everyone gets all excited and then disappointed. Is this how they want to generate buzz for their products??

[Janak Parekh]

Don't put them up until you have a firm release date! Everyone gets all excited and then disappointed.
The distribution channel isn't so simple that one can't "enter them" until they're announced. Distributors and retailers get advance info on a lot of things. You're right in that they should hide it better, though, but it's hard when the channel is so huge. Talk about a disparate set of computer systems...

--janak

[darrylb]

I suspect they may have got a "take it down" order....

[Jonathon Watkins]

As for styling, I really like it. It's very modern, sleek and thinner than the past iPaqs up to the 5550. But I guess that's just personal taste.

Yup, that's what makes these discussions so interesting. :wink:

Personally I think I like the styling - I think. :lol:

[ctmagnus]

Personally I think I like the styling - I think. :lol:

Perhap's I can convince you otherwise:

They're symmetrical both side-to-side and top-to-bottom. You could buy a quarter of a unit, photocopy it three times and have a full unit for 1/4 the cost! ;)

[Jonathon Watkins]

They're symmetrical both side-to-side and top-to-bottom. You could buy a quarter of a unit, photocopy it three times and have a full unit for 1/4 the cost! ;)

Brilliant! 8O Have you ever thought of being an HP designer? (Though these days you apparently have to be very good with acute angles and straight lines. :lol: :?

[Mark Johnson]

They're symmetrical both side-to-side and top-to-bottom. You could buy a quarter of a unit, photocopy it three times and have a full unit for 1/4 the cost! ;)

Sheer genius! You've just shown HP how to cut R&amp;D by 75%!
:rotfl:

[Jereboam]

I normally monitor Expansys for new hardware in the UK.

J'bm

Thanks J'bm

Cannot find a mention of the 47xx on their website though :cry:

Although they do have the rz1715 (asian import), rx3415 (asian import) and rx3715 (english) available on pre-order.

marjon

I know...if I spot one anywhere I will let you know...this, bar, some kind of horrid glitch, is my next device.

J'bm

[seaflipper]

I just got an email from my CDW Rep. He said that the h6315 (which I ordered the other day) is still showing as ETA of the 19th July, however, he said that he noticed that it's also listed in his system as "not available" which could mean that the date of August 26th is probably when it's going to arrive - nothing is for certain until these babies are actually in their warehouse!

The even worse news, however, is that he also said to me that the notes on that product now say that it's for T-Mobile AND activation with T-Mobile is required to purchase that iPaq (h6315). So it looks like it's NOT the unlocked version of the h6315 that most of us are looking for 8O

[Will T Smith]

Egads, looks like someone at HP was inspired by the Sony PSP.

http://zerodimension.net/mt/archives/psp.jpg

Maybe not a deadwringer, but it does share that sleek look and nearly invisible interface buttons.

They look alot like the old Compaq Aeros. I kinda like that. I was very fond of my old Aero 1150.

[Will T Smith]

The 47xx looks promising except for the 'touchpad' I would have to see and use it first before deciding; I am not convinced it is practical on a ppc.
Will hold on to my 2210 for now.

I don't mind the boxy look it looks very proffesional too me :D

I think that the touchpad will be extra-ordinarily useful. I can forsee the ability to make touchpad gestures that will bring up any application you like without having to scroll through menus.

I can also see the possibility of smooth scrolling through documents. Traditional keypresses will simply be "taps".

[Will T Smith]

Interesting to see the reactions.

Well here my opinion for the looks. Someone wrote before that the "current" range of ipacs were not "designed" by HP themselves. And that poster also wrote that this is the reason why the new line-up looks so different. The problem is that design-wise they are even further from the cool futuristic Compaq design. So easthetically speaking the new devices suck big time!

Now from a technological viewpoint. Again it seems a step back from current range. In essence they just re-released the old jornada with less sex-apeal in the low end (which is even slower than a 300MHz Xscale model.. booooooo). The models in between offer nothing substantially new. As for the top line model. What cow poopie is this? It's not only a no-go for gamers (whom require buttons and a D-pad to play games) but also lame. Especially if we see that Microsoft is making efforts to increase game-playing on PPC. Also consider this: Palm is ditching their scratch pad in favour of a bigger screen and a virtual pad and HP is introducing a pad as the next big thing????? ARE THEY NUTS? IS THIS HOW THEY WANT TO RETAIN THE MARKET?

Sorry but I feel that Toshiba left the PDA market a bit too soon. In fact the more I see this s**t the more I'm thinking of getting a E800-BT. This has a 128MB Ram + 32MB NAND, both CF and SD and a great 4"VGA screen (which is even great considering brightness and colourreproduction in QVGA). Or I'll go for that Asus model but HP is definitly loosing it. It seems that not only did they loose their heritage with the burying of the Jornada but I think with the takeover of compaq none of the original Ipaq designers still work for HP and it shows.

This is mixture of fast and slow processors with uninteresting standard lame lcd's and the assumption that adding BT and Wifi will be suficient to keep ppl interested in their product range. It's clear for me HP is a NOGO.

To all the HP-followers I hope you'll fun with your new machine (at least you'll be able to brag to your friends) though I fear that playing Rayman or racingdays will be a big trouble :)

C U

I know that games are a nice diversion. But PDAs are for adults. If games are your primary reason for having a handheld, I would suggest a GameBoy advanced.

[nitestrike]

Looks like they have been removed from the the CDW site. I just saw them Wednesday morning and when I click on the link again this morning they were not listed any more. :( Does any one know what's going on?

[Jonathon Watkins]

Looks like they have been removed from the the CDW site. I just saw them Wednesday morning and when I click on the link again this morning they were not listed any more. :( Does any one know what's going on?

Welcome Nitestrike. :D

Most likely is that HP have asked/insisted that these be taken down. They can understandably be a bit touchy about NDA information becoming available before it should. They don't want us to stop buying current iPAQs while waiting for these now, do they? :wink:

[Sparkomatic]

I just got an email from my CDW Rep. He said that the h6315 (which I ordered the other day) is still showing as ETA of the 19th July, however, he said that he noticed that it's also listed in his system as "not available" which could mean that the date of August 26th is probably when it's going to arrive - nothing is for certain until these babies are actually in their warehouse!

The even worse news, however, is that he also said to me that the notes on that product now say that it's for T-Mobile AND activation with T-Mobile is required to purchase that iPaq (h6315). So it looks like it's NOT the unlocked version of the h6315 that most of us are looking for 8O

Just wondering if you've heard whether or not the h6315 actually came in today or not.

[seaflipper]

I just got an email from my CDW Rep. He said that the h6315 (which I ordered the other day) is still showing as ETA of the 19th July, however, he said that he noticed that it's also listed in his system as "not available" which could mean that the date of August 26th is probably when it's going to arrive - nothing is for certain until these babies are actually in their warehouse!

The even worse news, however, is that he also said to me that the notes on that product now say that it's for T-Mobile AND activation with T-Mobile is required to purchase that iPaq (h6315). So it looks like it's NOT the unlocked version of the h6315 that most of us are looking for 8O

Just wondering if you've heard whether or not the h6315 actually came in today or not.

Well, I actually cancelled my order last week because my rep said it was a T-Mobile phone and that it would come locked and required activation. Over at Howard Forums somone said "there is always a way around that" but I decided to cancel because my rep also said there is no return allowed on those once they are opened, as HP won't take them back. I didn't want to take a chance on that amount of money, so I cancelled - for now. So sorry, I don't have any word. The guys over that Howard Forums who ordered them said that they have not heard anything definitive from their reps today, other than their system is still showing them as "coming in on the 19th" despite what the text on the product page says (aug 26th)... we will see...

[willkess71]

Just got off the phone with CDW. Now they are saying August 15th. We will see how it goes from here on out. This takes me back to my iPAQ 3600 days ugh... Whatever happened to dealer accountability and truth in advertising. Well here's hoping for August 15th.

Peace,

Fr. Bill

[Kati Compton]

I know that games are a nice diversion. But PDAs are for adults. If games are your primary reason for having a handheld, I would suggest a GameBoy advanced.
Hey - I'm an adult, and I still play games! Am I supposed to give up not just my games but my toys too? :P I think having fun is very important in life. Not as important as, say, eating. But still important. I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying that it's important for them to be able to play games on their PDA (and not just because I'm one of the people saying that ;) ).

The point of PPCs is that they are multi-function devices. They're not just business appliances. You can not only use your Excel spreadsheet, store all your passwords, make your shopping lists, read PDFs, etc, but you can also watch movies, play music, and play games. With a gameboy I can ONLY play games, and to me, that's not enough. And I don't want to carry a GBA around with me on a daily basis.

It seems for a lot of people the 47xx is going to be SO CLOSE to what they want in their next PPC, but just not there because of the touchpad. People want to use it for many things, including business applications, and yes -- games.

[Janak Parekh]

Just got off the phone with CDW. Now they are saying August 15th. We will see how it goes from here on out. This takes me back to my iPAQ 3600 days ugh... Whatever happened to dealer accountability and truth in advertising. Well here's hoping for August 15th.
Except, this time, the hx4700 hasn't officially been announced. ;)

--janak

[Jonathon Watkins]

It seems for a lot of people the 47xx is going to be SO CLOSE to what they want in their next PPC, but just not there because of the touchpad.

The search for the 'perfect' PPC continues......... :wink:

[elehcdn]

It seems for a lot of people the 47xx is going to be SO CLOSE to what they want in their next PPC, but just not there because of the touchpad. People want to use it for many things, including business applications, and yes -- games.

How about this solution ... a bluetooth controller? I have been hearing a lot of discussion of the usefulness of the touchpad, but I am wondering if the touchpad is there more to maximize the experience of a cursor on screen than to change the input method.

Personally, I would be excited to know that I could sit down with my 4705 and connect the ThinkOutside BT keyboard and a BT mouse simultaneously and mouse around a 640 x 480 VGA screen.

[Kati Compton]

How about this solution ... a bluetooth controller? I have been hearing a lot of discussion of the usefulness of the touchpad, but I am wondering if the touchpad is there more to maximize the experience of a cursor on screen than to change the input method.
Well, I need to have the device a certain distance to my face to see the game I'm playing (as opposed to sitting on the couch and playing a game on the TV). So in order to use a bluetooth controller comfortably, (if they can actually even be used with the device), I'd have to grow 2 more hands. ;)

[Janak Parekh]

Kati, I think a clip-on controller might just do the trick. Of course, it's up to a third-party to actually develop it. (I think Acer/BenQ manufactured one for the 3650 a long time ago, but it never got very far as it was late in that iPAQ's product lifetime.)

--janak

[Kati Compton]

Kati, I think a clip-on controller might just do the trick. Of course, it's up to a third-party to actually develop it. (I think Acer/BenQ manufactured one for the 3650 a long time ago, but it never got very far as it was late in that iPAQ's product lifetime.)
So I'm supposed to sit around and wait for that? :P If one came out at the same time... I'd be tempted. But I'm only willing to wait as long as it takes for the Asus 730 with dual wireless to come out.

[Janak Parekh]

So I'm supposed to sit around and wait for that? :P If one came out at the same time... I'd be tempted. But I'm only willing to wait as long as it takes for the Asus 730 with dual wireless to come out.
No, I didn't say that. ;) I'm just saying it's something peripheral makers should be looking at...

--janak

[bookemdano]

According to an InfoWorld article, which I found through Google News, HP is going to announce the new iPaq's in London on Monday.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/23/HNipaq_1.html

The article uses "launch" and "introduce" but they don't say they will be released.

[osbornw90]

does anyone know about a UK release of the ipaq 6315?

[osbornw90]

i have only heard of a release in the USA on the 26th of august

[paris]

According to an InfoWorld article, which I found through Google News, HP is going to announce the new iPaq's in London on Monday.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/23/HNipaq_1.html

The article uses "launch" and "introduce" but they don't say they will be released.

erm that was like 2 weeks ago :P they were anounced but no specific dates were given

[Duncan]

According to an InfoWorld article, which I found through Google News, HP is going to announce the new iPaq's in London on Monday.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/23/HNipaq_1.html

The article uses "launch" and "introduce" but they don't say they will be released.

erm that was like 2 weeks ago :P they were anounced but no specific dates were given

Take a look at the date on Bookemdano's post - he posted it before the launch...

[paris]

lol :) hehe well i guess osbornw90 posted after him to an old thread and made me think tha he posted that today or something :)
bad boy osbornw90

http://www.wstore.co.uk/?locked=yes&mag=10&agent=MAWUH6XRUVTT8HH0VDWH6RL69N7F1K10&pg=/static_uk/brandstores/HP/kelkoo.asp?pd=278689

£430 expected on 10/08/2004

http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=HPYA03AAC&src=HPXX

£447 expected on 11/08/04.

the above 2 are both HP e-business partners.

http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Product+Details.htm?quicklinx=380L&searchphrase=hx4700

£400 says 17/08/04 on my order

[bookemdano]

In spite of the fact that CDW told me on the phone 3 times that they were getting the hx4700 on August 10th, their in stock status has suddenly changed to "2+ weeks" from "1-2 weeks".