T-Mobile to Axe the MPx?

[Pat Logsdon]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39400&sid=d70906aa1463ffbf2a60de033a265dd7' target='_blank'>http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/f...a60de033a265dd7</a><br /><br /></div><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/logsdon_20040702_mpx.jpg" /> <br /><br />Double trouble from Motorola-Land today. According to rumor, T-Mobile has DROPPED the MPx100 Smartphone from its scheduled rollout, and is considering doing the same with the MPx. Several sites are all over this one, so word on whether this is true should be along shortly. Stay tuned, and if there's something you'd like to tell Motorola (just in case), feel free... :mrgreen:

[suhit]

Why would they do this? ARGH! :evil:

Suhit

[bkerrins]

Motorola, please contact Cingular.

[arnage2]

moto, bring it to nextel!

[gohtor]

who's actually spreading these rumors?

[quidproquo]

Doh....! :evil:

OK... so they are going to make me wait until the MDA III is available here in the US! When will that be? (NEVER!)

T-Mobile needs to catch up....

[Zack Mahdavi]

I wonder why T-Mobile dropped the phone. Maybe they have some serious reception/stability problems that T-Mobile just doesn't want to deal with?

[huangzhinong]

A smart move, it is.
Just look at the picture, aargh. 0X and think about the more than $700 pricetag.

[Ainvar]

heh yeah nobody will want to pay 700+ for a phone unless they are from that niche community. The US is too blinded by the cheap free phones you get with a contract signup to even hardly consider paying the real price for any cell phone. I just wish it was easier to buy the phones I want to use that you can get on the street in Europe like we can from a hotdog from a street hotdog vendor.


Plus T-Mobile US could not get a good phone out in the amount of time for any get to want due to the fact they cant even stick with scheduled project finish dates. I have been a customer with them since the Powertel days and I dont think they ever rolled anything out ontime including your bills.

[szamot]

heh yeah nobody will want to pay 700+ for a phone unless they are from that niche community. The US is too blinded by the cheap free phones you get with a contract signup to even hardly consider paying the real price for any cell phone. I just wish it was easier to buy the phones I want to use that you can get on the street in Europe like we can from a hotdog from a street hotdog vendor.


Plus T-Mobile US could not get a good phone out in the amount of time for any get to want due to the fact they cant even stick with scheduled project finish dates. I have been a customer with them since the Powertel days and I dont think they ever rolled anything out ontime including your bills.

Blinded by chaep phones or not but perhaps $700 is just too much for a phone no matter what it can do. I certainly would not consider it. Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

[PPCMD]

What do you think a good pda/phone device does or should go for. The I700 on Verizon was $699 when it was launched and they didn't do too bad either.

I like the MPx and upon final review I may actually jump to ATTWS to get it and drop Verizon. So yeah its a great device based on the spec and pics and the price is not far out for those who don't want to carry two or three devices.

[Khufu1]

Debate about functionality aside, in the part of my brain that calculates the gadget budget $700 is $300 away from an el-cheapo laptop.

[jcsickz]

this is complete ********. I would pay 700+ for it easily!

[ntractv]

What do you think a good pda/phone device does or should go for. The I700 on Verizon was $699 when it was launched and they didn't do too bad either.

I like the MPx and upon final review I may actually jump to ATTWS to get it and drop Verizon. So yeah its a great device based on the spec and pics and the price is not far out for those who don't want to carry two or three devices.

I've always been on the fence on this device, but, why on earth would you ever want to drop Verizon. I have been through them all and as for coverage area, Verizon beats them all hands down. Everyone I know that has ATTWS in the DC area curses them to no end. But, back to the main point, I am just one of those two device people. I want my PPC to be a PPC and my cellphone to be a cellphone. Now, to contradict myself, if I could have PPC, Blackberry, cellphone with BT and WiFi, I might change my mind. Of course, it would have to be on Verizon's network. I just prefer CDMA.

No flame war intended.

[yawanag]

I'm so sick of being baited for PDA Phone. Seems no matter who the manufacturer, browsing always turns up that T-Mobile will carry it.

I just returned the MPx200. Turned my longings to the Audiovox PPC4100. Don't like the plans with AT&T Wireless so I began looking into the HP IPAQ HP6315 which can't be purchased anywhere (It can be preordered at about 4 sites.) Don't want to preorder because generally when I do something like that, a rebate offer follows shortly after.

Some forums I visted were posted in April and said a release date of June 8th(my birthday) was due. I've read a release date of June 8, July 27, and late August. Now which one is it? I read that T-Mobile will carry the HP6315 too.

IMHO anyone thinking of going in with T-Mobile should think twice about it. They're such a bag of wind.

[Pony99CA]

What do you think a good pda/phone device does or should go for. The I700 on Verizon was $699 when it was launched and they didn't do too bad either.

I like the MPx and upon final review I may actually jump to ATTWS to get it and drop Verizon. So yeah its a great device based on the spec and pics and the price is not far out for those who don't want to carry two or three devices.
I've always been on the fence on this device, but, why on earth would you ever want to drop Verizon. I have been through them all and as for coverage area, Verizon beats them all hands down.
I'm hoping T-Mobile will drop the MPx, causing Motorola to produce a CDMA version for Verizon. Now there's a rumor. :-D

Steve

[sooby77]

Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

Now, THAT'S a thought. Don't dismiss the idea of Dell in the cell industry. They are one of the most succesful and smart company in history. Just watch, they'll catch EVERYONE by surprise. ;) Their entry to the cell industry will increase price wars and only good can come from that.

[tourdewolf]

Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

Now, THAT'S a thought. Don't dismiss the idea of Dell in the cell industry. They are one of the most succesful and smart company in history. Just watch, they'll catch EVERYONE by surprise. ;) Their entry to the cell industry will increase price wars and only good can come from that.

Or they will slaughter the market until no other manufacturer can make a profit (how many major PC manufacturers are left). Of course then our choices of pda phones will be much easier, Dell or Dell. Do get me wrong I am always looking for a good deal but this industry becomes dominated by one or two manufaturers then where is the incentive for innovation? The only inovation we will see will be in how many new bells and whistles can be added to sell another "average" consumer.

.02

[Chris Spera]

This would REALLY suck...

I have decided that when this thing is released, regardless of where, as long as the ROM is in English (UK, AUS, US,...English) I'm getting one.

[Phoenix]

That would be a stupid move by T-Mobile.

As far as the price tag goes, let the customer decide what is too much. Wireless companies are not going to decide that for me.

Moto would lose out if they don't carry this line of phones.

Bottom line, I'm going to buy one, unlock it if I have to, and use it anyway. So ultimately, it makes no difference.

But I will say this... from a business standpoint, if T-Mobile lets AT&T become the only one to carry the MPx, T-Mobile might as well hand over millions of dollars, too, while they're at it.

They're going to miss out on an excellent opportunity if they pass these phones up.

Hey T-Mobile, don't think the MPx is going to be popular? Take a look at the number of visits this thread has received (approx. 250,000) in only ten days... seems pretty popular to me: MPx - Click Here (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=53ee3ee29400233325283b5f8b730fc3&threadid=394894&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

Unless this is just some stupid false rumor that some idiot started, why is it that you (T-Mobile) want to drop this phone?

[sooby77]

Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

Now, THAT'S a thought. Don't dismiss the idea of Dell in the cell industry. They are one of the most succesful and smart company in history. Just watch, they'll catch EVERYONE by surprise. ;) Their entry to the cell industry will increase price wars and only good can come from that.

Or they will slaughter the market until no other manufacturer can make a profit (how many major PC manufacturers are left). Of course then our choices of pda phones will be much easier, Dell or Dell. Do get me wrong I am always looking for a good deal but this industry becomes dominated by one or two manufaturers then where is the incentive for innovation? The only inovation we will see will be in how many new bells and whistles can be added to sell another "average" consumer.

.02

Only the fittest survive... :)

[galt]

Perhaps T-mobile customers who are interested in the MPx should let T-mobile know how they feel by sending T-mobile customer care a message urging them to carry the device.

http://support.t-mobile.com/caseSubmitForm.html

Select the topic of "phones and accessories" and the subtopic of "models offered". Then let them know that you WILL LEAVE them for any carrier if they don't carry the Motorola MPx.

[yawanag]

Perhaps T-mobile customers who are interested in the MPx should let T-mobile know how they feel by sending T-mobile customer care a message urging them to carry the device.

http://support.t-mobile.com/caseSubmitForm.html

Select the topic of "phones and accessories" and the subtopic of "models offered". Then let them know that you WILL LEAVE them for any carrier if they don't carry the Motorola MPx.

Thanks for this avenue to vent my feelings. I've been wanting to give T-Mobile a piece of my mind.

[yawanag]

heh yeah nobody will want to pay 700+ for a phone unless they are from that niche community. The US is too blinded by the cheap free phones you get with a contract signup to even hardly consider paying the real price for any cell phone. I just wish it was easier to buy the phones I want to use that you can get on the street in Europe like we can from a hotdog from a street hotdog vendor.


Plus T-Mobile US could not get a good phone out in the amount of time for any get to want due to the fact they cant even stick with scheduled project finish dates. I have been a customer with them since the Powertel days and I dont think they ever rolled anything out ontime including your bills.

Blinded by chaep phones or not but perhaps $700 is just too much for a phone no matter what it can do. I certainly would not consider it. Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

I totally agree with you when you say T-Mobile ever rolled anything out on time. As far as paying $700 for a device. I'd pay it if it had all the features I'm looking for.

I remember when the T-Mobile PPC came out and was asking $549 (I got purchased it with a $250 rebate) People thought I was crazy for paying that but I have gotten my money's worth a hundred times over.

[Badandy]

Perhaps we should get Dell into the cell business to show everyone what is and is not reasonable to pay for one of these things.

Now, THAT'S a thought. Don't dismiss the idea of Dell in the cell industry. They are one of the most succesful and smart company in history. Just watch, they'll catch EVERYONE by surprise. ;) Their entry to the cell industry will increase price wars and only good can come from that.

Or they will slaughter the market until no other manufacturer can make a profit (how many major PC manufacturers are left). Of course then our choices of pda phones will be much easier, Dell or Dell. Do get me wrong I am always looking for a good deal but this industry becomes dominated by one or two manufaturers then where is the incentive for innovation? The only inovation we will see will be in how many new bells and whistles can be added to sell another "average" consumer.

.02


Capitalism. The incentive for innovation is for companies to come out with something so great, that people are drawn away from the bigger companies. This does not always happen, but by doing this, they employ more people and stimulate the economy (creating jobs, spending money).

[PPCMD]

No flame taken so none intended by me either.

To ansewr though, I have been on VzW for over nine years and simply find that they are screwing their I700 users over since they really don't want to support us, I pay more, therefore I deserve the sam service as a run of the mill cellphone.

I enjoy CDMA, but hey thats what I grew up on and hey if ATTWS can provide the same coverage for a non world traveler who really is in NYS most of the time then thats cool with me.

I may opt to keep my VzW T720 as my emergency backup line just in case I need to get a call out and there is no GSM.

I would prefer the MPx in CDMA but I don't see it happening and since ATTWS offers a 30 day trial then why not give it a 30 day run.

The worst part was today I get my VzW bill and I opted to cut my minutes back since I was not using my monthly limit. I was told and confirmed that this will in no way affect my billing plan, coverage plan and will NOT put me under a new contact. Guess what they did, they put me under a new contract. Called got it resolved and moved onto when the I&00 will get the WMPE2003 update since VzW just doens't want to pay for it (known fact) and that after nine years of taking my money their time was running out.

I need a mobile converged device that will do what I need and not what the carrier feels it should do and the MPx will do it. WiFi, BT, Mobile, Latest WMPE OS and my laptop cost of $2500 so I don't mind spending the money on the right stuff.

Still no date from Verizon though on WMPE2003.

[PPCMD]

The carriers will always carry what they feel will generate sales. Who says they don't spread little rumors about not carrying a device to see what the buzz would be as to better gauge the desire. Since the MPx will be a world use phone it has strong value with corp users, but obviously that would need to be quad band.

Until I see a final on sale woring device my money stays where it is in my pocket, then we can talk about service coverage, money, contracts etc. Maybe its better to go Cingular (ATTWS merger) and get the rollover minutes if they carry this phone.

Bottom line is my car dealer treats my like a king and my phone carriers treats me like an idiot who won't care if they stick it to him he doesn't read his contracts.

[Alsicole]

Here in the UK T-Mobile have previously dropped units or cancelled release dates because the unit simply didn't pass their tests. Often phones that had been passed by other networks here, like Vodaphone and o2, didn't get through the T-mobile tests. My guess would be that there's something up with the initial software version that T-Mobile doesn't like and that they'll hold off indefinitely until it's fixed. Of course, if it doesn't get fixed, they won't release it.

[q-live]

!!!! DAM I HOPE THAT AINT TRUE AND IF IT IS I AM LEAVING THESE FOOLS !!!! :twisted: i am with them now and thats only because at the time they had the only pda phone i wanted..... well its been 2 years and i am wanting a upgrade..... i was looking at their mda 3 but how the hell you gonna have NO BLUETOOTH AND A FFFFFF .3 MP CAMERA.... IN THE YEAR 2004 AT THAT..... so right there they lost me and why in the hell would you drop one of the only phones that got the same if not more hype then the treo 600.... you would have to be a complete ****ing idot :cry: anyways i hope they do make a verizon version of the phone because i need better coverage and faster data speed on my phone which none of the gsm companys can offer..... also i dam sure dont want to go to cingular or att because both companys are TOTAL GARBAGE

PS:: where is everyone getting the $700 price tag from i heard $550

[jlp]

The now 52!! pages long thread on the MPx at Howard Forums (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=45edf338c713684c4db68cfca311d24d&threadid=394894) has now been seen close to 250,000 times!! and has close to 800 answers!! Talk about a hot topic :multi:!!!

We can safely say there's a huge intest in this phone!!

[benzf1]

If this phone is so popular before it even comes out, then well thats a reason why t-mobile shouldnt drop this phone.

But the reason i think is why - the screen is tiny. Its too small for pocket pc operating system. I wanted it but the screensize put me off. 3.5 is just about adequate for pocket pc. XDA/MDA 3 is now my next choice of weapon, but the price will put me off.

You say "why not tell motorola what you think" in original post. i went on the webiste and couldnt find the correct method to tell them. (all it is is customer support - no feedback options)

[Janak Parekh]

But the reason i think is why - the screen is tiny. Its too small for pocket pc operating system.
Of course, that's your preference. I have a 3.5" i700 sitting in my pocket, and I'd happily trade it for a more compact unit. A 3.5" screen makes the phone too large for a lot of people.

--janak

[mbranscum]

Shouldn't matter to most people in the US....The Phone is a 900Mhz only model.

[Ed Hansberry]

Shouldn't matter to most people in the US....The Phone is a 900Mhz only model.

The MPx? That is tri-band. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,3869_3244_23,00.html

[mbranscum]

Shouldn't matter to most people in the US....The Phone is a 900Mhz only model.

The MPx? That is tri-band. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,3869_3244_23,00.html

Ed...what I meant was NO 850 band. Yes I know it's a tri-band (900/1800/1900) which is absoloutly useless to 95% of the people in the United States.

Copy of the moto spec sheet here...
http://www.motorola.com/mot/doc/1/1052_MotDoc.pdf

When are going to market some cool phones with 850 band? Oh well :?

[Janak Parekh]

Ed...what I meant was NO 850 band. Yes I know it's a tri-band (900/1800/1900) which is absoloutly useless to 95% of the people in the United States.
Not quite 95%; T-Mo has a 1900MHz-only network.

That said, I'm really hoping that they make an 850/1800/1900 version sometime in the future. Old rumors seemed to suggest that they were thinking of it.

--janak

[Ed Hansberry]

Shouldn't matter to most people in the US....The Phone is a 900Mhz only model.

The MPx? That is tri-band. http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,3869_3244_23,00.html

Ed...what I meant was NO 850 band. Yes I know it's a tri-band (900/1800/1900) which is absoloutly useless to 95% of the people in the United States.
850 is relatively new. GSM tri-band phones have been working quite well here in the US on the T-Mobile, AT&T and Cingular GSM networks.

I too would like to see a quad-band MPx, but those phones are just now starting to come out.

[possmann]

The only reason (me thinks) that T-Mo would NOT support rolling these out is financial. They view this as not producing enough revenue for them - bully on the "it didn't pass theier initial tests..." crap. That, IMHO, is just a cover up as the same phone seems to pass other GSM carrier tests - :?

I think that the contract is too heavy for T-Mo to sign, they want to leverage their largest GSM user community in the world status to get Moto (and even perhaps Microsoft) to go lower on contract deals with T-Mo and those guys just aren't going to play.

No sir - I think this has everything to do with money and nothing to do with technology or compatibility.

Which still sucks as many of us will buy the unlocked version and still use T-Mo as a carrier because frankly they ahve the widest GSM coverage and the cheapest overall rates - sigh.

[epdm]

Perhaps companies finally realise that Microsoft's OS offerings isn't very good for a smartphone. And they finally dropped those buggers in favour for better suited platforms.

In fact I think that mostly North American customers really WANT Windows OS based smartphones. While in EU ppl care less about what OS the machine actually runs as long as they can do what they want.

I think s similar to Europe attitude is in Japan and the Asian market considering their multitude of OS's in use for smartphones in Japan (linux, Symbian, Windows Mobile).

[possmann]

I agree, to a degree, that people jsut want the phone to do what they need it (want it) to do without care of which OS is placed on the phone.

Personally, I think Microsoft is targeting the business user more than the casual user by offering better integration with it's other products via the smartphone platform. Personally, I think it's a great idea.

Now for the casual users, the person that could care less if their 500 contacts they've stored in outlook ever gets into their phone, could care less that they can read a word document their friend emailed them, then any OS is just fine.

[aristoBrat]

bully on the "it didn't pass theier initial tests..." crap. That, IMHO, is just a cover up as the same phone seems to pass other GSM carrier tests - :?
Passing one carriers test doesn't mean anything.

AT&T released their branded V600 with lots of firmware issues. End result = upset customers who feel that they got ripped off

T-Mobile still hasn't released their branded V600 because they're working out the issues. End result = upset customers who are mad because they can't get the phone they want

Either way is going to upset people.

Personally, I'd rather have the second scenario happen.