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Kacey Green
05-05-2004, 10:36 AM
What are the different post level titles? Next to mine it says Pocket PC Intellectual I've seen pocket pc pupil, I don't need to know the post #s but that would be nice. I was just wondering what the titles are in order up from pupil (or whatever it starts as)

Pony99CA
05-05-2004, 11:57 AM
What are the different post level titles? Next to mine it says Pocket PC Intellectual I've seen pocket pc pupil, I don't need to know the post #s but that would be nice. I was just wondering what the titles are in order up from pupil (or whatever it starts as)
To find out, you could use the Member List and sort by total posts. You may have to do a lot of paging, though, and there might be some gaps. The highest title yet achieved is Guru, but only the admins know what's beyond that.

As for numbers, they're considered a secret so people don't post junk to get to the next level. You could get an idea of where the breaks are by looking for title changes as you go through the Member List.

Steve

Kacey Green
05-05-2004, 12:21 PM
As for numbers, they're considered a secret so people don't post junk to get to the next level. You could get an idea of where the breaks are by looking for title changes as you go through the Member List.

Steve

That's why I didn't care as much about the numbers I was also afraid of junk posts, but if it was common knowledge...

Thanks for the tip about sorting for title, I'll try that later (when I get to school)

JustinGTP
05-06-2004, 02:06 AM
Intellectual
Guru
Neophyte
Mystic ( - me - )
Thinker
Oracle
Magi
Theorist
Pupil
Philosopher
Ponderer

Not in order; I'm sure there are more

Kacey Green
05-06-2004, 02:10 AM
Thanks, Honda_Civic_Si

JustinGTP
05-06-2004, 02:15 AM
Thanks, Honda_Civic_Si

Lol, call me Justin :D

Kacey Green
05-06-2004, 02:54 AM
Lol, call me Justin :D

I thought of that but I was too lazy to hit the back button to read the graphic, the reply summary should include the avatars and sigs.

P.S.
how did you get a graphic in your sig?
what do it's properties have to be?

Janak Parekh
05-06-2004, 05:30 AM
Not in order; I'm sure there are more
There are. We try to stay a few steps ahead. :P

--janak

Pony99CA
05-06-2004, 12:50 PM
how did you get a graphic in your sig?
what do it's properties have to be?
I thought you could just put the following code in your signature using the wizard (replacing my image URL with your own, of course):

<img src="http://images.svpocketpc.com/svppc-badge.jpg">

The image will not show in the signature preview, but it did show up in the post preview. However, it does not show up in the actual post. Why does it show in the post preview then? There seems to be a bug in the signature wizard. :twisted:

You could fake it by turning signatures off and just putting the following at the bottom of every post:

_________________
<img src="http://images.svpocketpc.com/svppc-badge.jpg">

That will show up as shown below:

_________________
http://images.svpocketpc.com/svppc-badge.jpg

Be careful, though. Many people find graphic signatures very annoying, so keep them small and not garish (no flashing). Honda's is fairly small and not too bad (although it is a bit redundant given his avatar).

Steve

Kacey Green
05-06-2004, 02:03 PM
Thanks,
Honda's is fairly small and not too bad (although it is a bit redundant given his avatar).
Steve
Keeping this totaly in context. ... ... OK, Honda's (Justin) sig matches his avatar, people like it when designs match.
So I'll need to get a host, or setup a server on my Domain.

See the post I'll make soon in the off-topic.

Edit Link: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27711&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Kowalski
05-06-2004, 10:05 PM
to justin:
i've never seen oracle magi or guru

Pony99CA
05-06-2004, 10:34 PM
i've never seen oracle magi or guru
You've never seen Guru? Umm, look to the left (or at the second post in this thread). :-D

As for Magi, have you never seen a post by ctmagnus (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3482)?

Steve

Mark Kenepp
05-07-2004, 12:14 AM
I remember seeing an oracle? I am guessing it was someone like Janak or maybe Kati before they joined the PPCT Team.

Pony99CA
05-07-2004, 12:49 AM
I remember seeing an oracle? I am guessing it was someone like Janak or maybe Kati before they joined the PPCT Team.
It looks like Jacob (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8340) is an Oracle right now. It takes about 800 posts to get there, so there are several people who have reached that level.

Kati did, I believe, but Janak may have been promoted before he reached Oracle status.

Steve

Kacey Green
05-07-2004, 02:23 AM
Thanks,
Honda's (Justin) sig matches his avatar, people like it when designs match.
So I'll need to get a host, or setup a server on my Domain.


Update:
It dosen't match now that the large angelfire logo is showing

Kati Compton
05-07-2004, 02:42 AM
Update:
It dosen't match now that the large angelfire logo is showing
Uh... Thanks for letting us know...?

Pat Logsdon
05-07-2004, 02:50 AM
Update:
It dosen't match now that the large angelfire logo is showing
Uh... Thanks for letting us know...?
Yup. Guys - PM is a wonderful thing. :wink:

Kacey Green
05-07-2004, 03:43 AM
Update:
It dosen't match now that the large angelfire logo is showing
Uh... Thanks for letting us know...?
Yup. Guys - PM is a wonderful thing. :wink:
noted :| sorry

JustinGTP
05-07-2004, 09:36 PM
It doesn't matter if you drag your own thread off topic! :D

Yep, Angelfire is Free and I ran out of bandwidth :) Thats why its showing up as ANGELFIRE :D

-Justin.

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 06:09 AM
It doesn't matter if you drag your own thread off topic! :D
-Justin.
I think he's right, I've seen the others do it all the time Jason and, Janak and, JW Jonathan Watkans (sorry if I spelled it wrong, its past my bedtime).

But now let's get back on topic

It now says I'm a Theorist, right now in my sleepy stupor it looks like PPC Terorist 8O

Steven Cedrone
05-08-2004, 05:13 PM
It doesn't matter if you drag your own thread off topic!
I think he's right, I've seen the others do it all the time Jason and, Janak and, JW Jonathan Watkans

No! He is not right. :roll: On topic is on topic, if you stray too far off topic a reminder will be posted - regardless of the fact that you started the thread or even if you own the site...

Now to get back on topic: I think BigdaddyJ went through quite a few "ranks" before he became a member of the team. He may have even had more posts then Pony (not sure though)...

Steve

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 05:24 PM
It doesn't matter if you drag your own thread off topic!
I think he's right, I've seen the others do it all the time Jason and, Janak and, JW Jonathan Watkans

No! He is not right. :roll: On topic is on topic, if you stray too far off topic a reminder will be posted - regardless of the fact that you started the thread or even if you own the site...

Now to get back on topic: I think BigdaddyJ went through quite a few "ranks" before he became a member of the team. He may have even had more posts then Pony (not sure though)...

Steve

That's true Steve or one of the other mods usually come back to straighten us out.

On topic
Was there anyone else with a high title that became affiliated? Ex. Janak etc.

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 05:45 PM
Now to get back on topic: I think BigdaddyJ went through quite a few "ranks" before he became a member of the team. He may have even had more posts then Pony (not sure though)...
Janak had more posts than I did back when he got promoted (December 16, 2002 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5894)), but I don't believe he got to the 700 post mark before the promotion. As the "Top Ten Posters" thread (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5614) from December 11, 2002, shows, he only had 604 posts then.

After the promotion, his post frequency really took off. :-D

Steve

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 05:53 PM
That's true Steve or one of the other mods usually come back to straighten us out.
We know it's true -- he just did it.

On topic
Was there anyone else with a high title that became affiliated? Ex. Janak etc.
Define "high title". Kati had more posts when she got promoted than Janak did at the time of his promotion. Kati was always a prolific poster, though; in fact, of the top posters, she seems to have the third-highest post-per-day ratio after Jason and Janak.

Steve

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 05:55 PM
On topic
Was there anyone else with a high title that became affiliated? Ex. Janak etc.
Mine was high, but not quite that high.

People are asked to join the team firstly if there is a need for someone's particular skill set. If there's no openings, no one is added. Secondly, (and again, there needs to be an opening first) the existing team looks at whether that person has contributed positively to the forums both in technical and social aspects, making meaningful posts in both cases. The technical aspects are more important, but if, for example, the person answers newbie questions and then puts "You're so stupid for needing to ask this." at the end of the post, they're unlikely to be asked to join.

I should note that there are *plenty* of *great* posters here that aren't on the team. There's just more posters than there are openings.

So it's not just post count that leads to joining the team. And in fact, a poster could be judged as to what % of the posts are meaningful, and then sometimes a high post count could be detrimental to their chances of being asked to join.

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 05:56 PM
Define "high title". Kati had more posts when she got promoted than Janak did at the time of his promotion. Kati was always a prolific poster, though; in fact, of the top posters, she seems to have the third-highest post-per-day ratio after Jason and Janak.
Though I am "slacking off" now that I'm no longer a grad student. And I thought being a grad student took up a lot of my time... 8O ;)

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 06:10 PM
Kati had more posts when she got promoted than Janak did at the time of his promotion. Kati was always a prolific poster, though; in fact, of the top posters, she seems to have the third-highest post-per-day ratio after Jason and Janak.
Though I am "slacking off" now that I'm no longer a grad student. And I thought being a grad student took up a lot of my time... 8O ;)
I noticed. You used to have over 9 posts per day; now you "only" have 6.7 or so. :lol:

I don't recall being a grad student as taking all that much more time than an being an undergrad, but a few things might have contributed to that. First, I was only going for a Masters degree, not a Doctorate. Second, my first year was on full fellowship, so I didn't have to work. My second year I had to be a grader first semester and a teaching assistant second semester, but I only took two classes the first semester and one the second.

So what are you doing now?

Steve

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 06:14 PM
So what are you doing now?
The thing taking up my time so I can't post so much [...keeping it on topic... ;) ] is that I'm a University professor now. Just finishing my first semester. Final is on Monday!

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 06:22 PM
That's true Steve or one of the other mods usually come back to straighten us out.
We know it's true -- he just did it.

Indeed, :lol:

On topic
Was there anyone else with a high title that became affiliated? Ex. Janak etc.
Define "high title". Kati had more posts when she got promoted than Janak did at the time of his promotion. Kati was always a prolific poster, though; in fact, of the top posters, she seems to have the third-highest post-per-day ratio after Jason and Janak.

Steve
You hit the nail on the head, I didn't do any research on Kati though so I was avoiding an edit or word eating.

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 06:43 PM
Jonathon Watkins (aka PDA Gerbil, if I recall) had over 1,000 posts when he got promoted, I think.

On the other hand, Crystal Eitle (formerly Space Waitress) got promoted with fewer than 200 posts, I believe. However, she doesn't seem to be a Contributing Editor any more.

Steve

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 06:45 PM
People are asked to join the team firstly if there is a need for someone's particular skill set. If there's no openings, no one is added. Secondly, (and again, there needs to be an opening first) the existing team looks at whether that person has contributed positively to the forums both in technical and social aspects, making meaningful posts in both cases. The technical aspects are more important, but if, for example, the person answers newbie questions and then puts "You're so stupid for needing to ask this." at the end of the post, they're unlikely to be asked to join.
Hey, I was never that mean. :rofl:

Steve

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 07:07 PM
thanks, pony/steve

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 07:08 PM
and Kati

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 07:20 PM
Jonathon Watkins (aka PDA Gerbil, if I recall) had over 1,000 posts when he got promoted, I think.

On the other hand, Crystal Eitle (formerly Space Waitress) got promoted with fewer than 200 posts, I believe. However, she doesn't seem to be a Contributing Editor any more.
Being a Contributing Editor takes a lot of time. It's hard to devote that level of time and still have a job. And even harder to do both of those and have a life, too. ;)

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 07:21 PM
Hey, I was never that mean. :rofl:

We need SOMEONE to demonstrate the higher post rankings... :P

Kati Compton
05-08-2004, 07:22 PM
and Kati
I'd suggest next time that in situations like this you make use of the "edit" button on your previous post. ;) You don't need a separate post for each person you're thanking for something... that could make for a long thread (which would quickly get whacked by a moderator, so please don't do it).

Janak Parekh
05-08-2004, 07:28 PM
On the other hand, Crystal Eitle (formerly Space Waitress) got promoted with fewer than 200 posts, I believe. However, she doesn't seem to be a Contributing Editor any more.
Well, remember Crystal was hired much earlier, when the few hundred posts she had ranked pretty high. ;) I mean, I was #6 with 600 posts, right? Her name came up because she had very good writing skills. She did a great job, in fact, as a frontpage poster; unfortunately, she didn't have as much time near the end, and she retired amicably. :)

--janak

Janak Parekh
05-08-2004, 07:29 PM
I don't recall being a grad student as taking all that much more time than an being an undergrad, but a few things might have contributed to that. First, I was only going for a Masters degree, not a Doctorate.
That is perhaps the biggest difference. I spend a lot more time as a PhD student then when I was an MS student.

--janak

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 07:50 PM
and Kati
I'd suggest next time that in situations like this you make use of the "edit" button on your previous post. ;) You don't need a separate post for each person you're thanking for something... that could make for a long thread (which would quickly get whacked by a moderator, so please don't do it).
Actually, I'd rather not see any posts that are just "thank yous". They waste space and contribute little. If someone feels a thank you is appropriate, I think a Private Message is a better place for them.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. :-D

Steve

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 08:07 PM
On the other hand, Crystal Eitle (formerly Space Waitress) got promoted with fewer than 200 posts, I believe. However, she doesn't seem to be a Contributing Editor any more.
Well, remember Crystal was hired much earlier, when the few hundred posts she had ranked pretty high. ;) I mean, I was #6 with 600 posts, right? Her name came up because she had very good writing skills. She did a great job, in fact, as a frontpage poster; unfortunately, she didn't have as much time near the end, and she retired amicably. :)
Crystal was promoted on May 15, 2003 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12540). She had only joined March 6, 2003, and, if memory serves, she had maybe 140-180 posts, so I was a bit surprised to see somebody so "new" get promoted.

That's not to say she wasn't worthy, of course. I always enjoyed her posts, and had assumed she was no longer contributing due to a lack of time, not some lack of talent. I see she hasn't posted since last November even.

Anyway, I was simply pointing out that not everyone who got promoted had tons of posts. There's hope for relative newcomers. :-)

Steve

P.S. Crystal, if you're still reading at least, your profile Web site link is broken.

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 08:10 PM
Being a Contributing Editor takes a lot of time. It's hard to devote that level of time and still have a job. And even harder to do both of those and have a life, too. ;)
Believe me, as a Contributing Editor at pocketnow, I know. And I think Pocket PC Thoughts is even more demanding.

However, I think being a Moderator would take even more time -- unless you read all of the posts anyway, of course. :lol:

Steve

dh
05-08-2004, 08:11 PM
I wondered what had happened to Crystal, she was a good member of PPCT. It's a shame that she seemed to up and leave completly.

Steve, she does still have the site, here's the address: http://gospacewaitress.typepad.com/gate_a/

Pony99CA
05-08-2004, 08:27 PM
Steve, she does still have the site, here's the address: http://gospacewaitress.typepad.com/gate_a/
I found her site before I posted, but I wanted to let her know that her profile link was broken. I probably should have just PMed her, but I was lazy. I've been trying to get off here for a while, but new post notifications keep coming in before I can leave. :helpme:

Steve

Kacey Green
05-08-2004, 08:44 PM
and Kati
I'd suggest next time that in situations like this you make use of the "edit" button on your previous post. ;) You don't need a separate post for each person you're thanking for something... that could make for a long thread (which would quickly get whacked by a moderator, so please don't do it).
Actually, I'd rather not see any posts that are just "thank yous". They waste space and contribute little. If someone feels a thank you is appropriate, I think a Private Message is a better place for them.

Of course, I'm not a moderator. :-D

Steve
PM boxes can't support too many thank yous, besides I'd rather post here so others know my graditude and that the sugestions worked. I'd rather my PM box be filled with urgent issues.

Janak Parekh
05-09-2004, 12:34 AM
PM boxes can't support too many thank yous, besides I'd rather post here so others know my graditude and that the sugestions worked. I'd rather my PM box be filled with urgent issues.
OK, but in general, typical webboard etiquette suggests you want to avoid excessive thank-yous -- threads rapidly devolve into a "thank you, no thank you", etc. discussion, which doesn't help. Save the thank-yous for a situation where you really have been helped, for example, if someone helped you fix a significant problem on your Pocket PC.

--janak

Kati Compton
05-09-2004, 12:37 AM
OK, but in general, typical webboard etiquette suggests you want to avoid excessive thank-yous -- threads rapidly devolve into a "thank you, no thank you", etc. discussion, which doesn't help. Save the thank-yous for a situation where you really have been helped, for example, if someone helped you fix a significant problem on your Pocket PC.
Let me add that if someone helps you fix a problem, it's also good to post "It worked!" just so that other people with the same problem will find that solution and know to try it. But make sure that that's in the same post as the "Thank you!". No need for two posts just for that. ;)

Kacey Green
05-09-2004, 05:33 AM
Kati confirming that, "thank yous" and "It worked"s are ok but only if they are in the same post.
or are they to be kept to a bare minimum?

Kati Compton
05-09-2004, 06:15 AM
Kati confirming that, "thank yous" and "It worked"s are ok but only if they are in the same post.
or are they to be kept to a bare minimum?
If someone helps you solve a problem, etiquette would suggest a single response to be appropriate, where that response contains both "it worked" and "thank you".

But try to use your best judgement.

And if your best judgement results in too many posts that don't contain any actual information, adjust your best judgement.

;)

Kacey Green
05-09-2004, 06:50 AM
And if your best judgement results in too many posts that don't contain any actual information, adjust your best judgement.

;)
:rofl: :rotfl: "adjust your best judgement"
Edit: I've never heard it put that way before. :D

Pony99CA
05-09-2004, 09:43 AM
Intellectual
Guru
Neophyte
Mystic ( - me - )
Thinker
Oracle
Magi
Theorist
Pupil
Philosopher
Ponderer

Not in order; I'm sure there are more
While browsing the forums, I was reminded of another -- Pope.

Steve

Jonathon Watkins
05-16-2004, 09:45 PM
Being a Contributing Editor takes a lot of time. It's hard to devote that level of time and still have a job. And even harder to do both of those and have a life, too.

Darn right! 8O

Jonathon Watkins
05-16-2004, 09:46 PM
Jonathon Watkins (aka PDA Gerbil, if I recall) had over 1,000 posts when he got promoted, I think.

I think it was around the 1500 mark or so. I'm not sure I see it as a promotion. If you read a newspaper and then are asked to be an editor - then it's not a promotion, but a different job. I did feel honoured to be asked. :mrgreen:

Janak Parekh
05-16-2004, 09:52 PM
While browsing the forums, I was reminded of another -- Pope.
And you're going to encounter the next one soon. :devilboy:

--janak

Pony99CA
05-17-2004, 07:02 AM
While browsing the forums, I was reminded of another -- Pope.
And you're going to encounter the next one soon. :devilboy:
I figured another might come sometime after the 3000 post mark. I'm so curious, I think I'll post a lot of "me, too" and redundant posts just to see what it is. :rotfl:

I wonder how long it will take Kati or Steve C. to warn me against that. :twisted:

Steve

Steven Cedrone
05-17-2004, 03:12 PM
I wonder how long it will take Kati or Steve C. to warn me against that. :twisted:

Heh... :lol:

We're watching you! :wink:

Steve

Kati Compton
05-17-2004, 03:52 PM
Well, there's your answer. 8 hours. ;)

Kacey Green
05-18-2004, 01:01 AM
Well, there's your answer. 8 hours. ;) :?: I don't understand, 8 hours?

Edit nevermind: I read pony/steve's post a little closer

Pony99CA
05-23-2004, 06:42 AM
Well, I guess we know the level after Guru. Unfortunately, I didn't notice when I changed from Guru to Swami. At 3100 posts, I was still a Guru, but I was a Swami at 3105. At least that narrows the range. :-)

Steve

Kacey Green
05-23-2004, 06:45 AM
I too was just promoted, I do know the exact number, but I thought we wern't supposed to say for fear of junk posts but woohoo, Philosopher!

[Mod voice] Mr. Green Please don't cross post [/Mod voice]
ok, ok, I fixed it, How's that more usefull posts than previously, but still having a little fun

ctmagnus
05-24-2004, 06:07 AM
What are the different post level titles? Next to mine it says Pocket PC Intellectual

WRONG!

:mrgreen:

ctmagnus
05-24-2004, 06:09 AM
i've never seen oracle magi or guru

...

As for Magi, have you never seen a post by ctmagnus (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3482)?

:oops:

There's now Swami as well! ;)

ctmagnus
05-24-2004, 06:11 AM
That's not to say she wasn't worthy, of course. I always enjoyed her posts, and had assumed she was no longer contributing due to a lack of time, not some lack of talent. I see she hasn't posted since last November even.

P.S. Crystal, if you're still reading at least, your profile Web site link is broken.

Apparently that's not the only thing that's broken, which is the main reason she stopped posting afaik.

ctmagnus
05-24-2004, 06:14 AM
[Mod voice] Mr. Green Please don't cross post [/Mod voice]

Hmmm... Mr. Green vs :mrgreen: ...


---

Some of those last four posts are a little old knowledge-wise, but boy was that fun! :lol:

Pony99CA
05-24-2004, 08:15 AM
There's now Swami as well! ;)
Which I said one page back. Come on, no artificial boosting of your post count -- you'll be Guru soon, I think.

Steve

Kacey Green
05-24-2004, 11:35 AM
WRONG!

:mrgreen:
It did when I wrote it :mrgreen:

Kacey Green
05-28-2004, 07:29 PM
Update: Sage

Janak Parekh
05-30-2004, 05:31 AM
Update: Sage
Kacey - this is post inflation. We can tell - it's right under your name. There's quite a few ranks left, and you don't need to go on updating us every time it happens. The ranks are just for fun -- it's not an earth-shattering event when you switch one.

And lest ct and Pony forget, this goes for the two of you too. ;)

--janak

Pony99CA
05-30-2004, 08:30 AM
Update: Sage
Kacey - this is post inflation. We can tell - it's right under your name. There's quite a few ranks left, and you don't need to go on updating us every time it happens. The ranks are just for fun -- it's not an earth-shattering event when you switch one.

And lest ct and Pony forget, this goes for the two of you too. ;)

I had the same reaction as you, Janak, and had a post all written about how I hoped announcing new levels here wasn't the start of a bad trend.

However, before I posted, I looked back in the thread where Honda listed some of the ranks and noticed that Sage wasn't there. So I gave Kacey the benefit of the doubt and took it as him adding information about a level that hadn't been mentioned in the thread before.

That's why I mentioned that there was a Swami. I probably won't be a Swami forever, and it should be mentioned for other people who may visit the thread. If nobody happens to be a Swami at the time, it may be the only way of finding out that level exists.

Steve

Janak Parekh
05-30-2004, 07:42 PM
So I gave Kacey the benefit of the doubt and took it as him adding information about a level that hadn't been mentioned in the thread before.
Looking at the ranks, though (which I can do :devilboy:), it's clear that he posted it as soon as he noticed he switched over.

That's why I mentioned that there was a Swami.
Well, since you're the first, you might make the case for noteworthiness.

--janak

Pony99CA
05-31-2004, 06:10 AM
That's why I mentioned that there was a Swami.
Well, since you're the first, you might make the case for noteworthiness.
Believe me, if there had been another Swami, I would have mentioned it earlier in the thread, not when I became one. I doubt anybody cares about my level. (Well, other than you guys, because you have to keep making new levels for me. :-D)

Steve

Janak Parekh
05-31-2004, 04:07 PM
(Well, other than you guys, because you have to keep making new levels for me. :-D)
Well, we try to stay a few steps ahead. ;) Besides, as you've noticed, they become less and less frequent. I wonder what we should invent for 10,000, though: "Almost as many posts as Jason?" :lol:

--janak

Kacey Green
05-31-2004, 05:38 PM
naw, if jason keeps up at his rate, that rank would be variable (and rising) :wink: