wm2003se on 1900 series?

[Darius Wey]

just read the recent post on the frontpage of the site that hp were flashing the 2210 and 4100 series on-site with wm2003se...

somehow i get the feeling that they won't be releasing wm2003se on the 1900 series... :cry:

your thoughts?

[Anthony Caruana]

Given that the 1910 didn't even get WM2003, I'd be surprised if the 193X and 194x were upgraded.

But that's just my opinion...

[Jason Dunn]

Yeah, uh, don't hold your breath - if they didn't do a 2003 update, why would they do a 2003 SE update? :cry:

[Janak Parekh]

Yeah, uh, don't hold your breath - if they didn't do a 2003 update, why would they do a 2003 SE update? :cry:
I think he was asking for the 19xx iPAQs that already have WM2003. There's a non-zero chance, but that's all I'm putting it at. ;)

--janak

[Jason Dunn]

Ohhhhhhh.........you mean the 1945?

Tough to say - HP has shown little regard for the 1900 series as being an upgradable unit, so while I'd like to think they'll offer one, they don't have a good track record here. :-(

[Darius Wey]

hehe, yeah...i was referring to the 1940/1945.

not the 1910/1930.

i spose there's always a chance though. the 1940 isn't that bad of a unit...perhaps hp should release an update to make its consumers happy :roll: (keep dreamin! >_<)

[PR.]

HP's official line I believe was that consumers didn't need the WM2003 upgrade and it was made available for the business devices only.

I'd laugh if they said the same thing about the 2xxx devices for WM2003SE :D

[Darius Wey]

HP's official line I believe was that consumers didn't need the WM2003 upgrade and it was made available for the business devices only.


where'd u hear that from? and what classifies as a business device?

[Robb Bates]

HP's official line I believe was that consumers didn't need the WM2003 upgrade and it was made available for the business devices only.

I'd laugh if they said the same thing about the 2xxx devices for WM2003SE :D

Bite thy tongue!!!! :cry:

Robb (with a h2215)

[Jacob]

where'd u hear that from? and what classifies as a business device?

The classification of a "business device" versus a personal one is based on price point and features essentially.

They believe the great majority of the people who buy the lower end models are simply using it for personal use.

The higher end models are more expensive of course and hence are less likely to be purchased by people who either need it for a business or are bought for them by their company.

Of course there are people who buy the upper end models for "personal use" - people on these forums more often that a lot of people. These are simply general classes based on what HP perceives as the majority.

Of course another factor is the cost-benefit. If HP makes less money on selling the lower end devices then that profit gets lower by their efforts to create, test and support a new ROM update.

[Robb Bates]

Of course there is the fact that the 1910 only has what, 16MB of flash ROM and other devices have 32MB.

Trying to squeeze the new OS into 16MB might be difficult if not impossible.

Robb

[Jacob]

That was brought up, but Toshiba came out with the e350/e355 series that runs WM2003 and only has 16MB of ROM. This kinda suggested that HP could have fit it into 16Mb if they wanted to... but just didn't.

[Robb Bates]

Hmmm, I guess it is all about the bottom line then.

Robb

[iPAQ_ace]

Yeah, uh, don't hold your breath - if they didn't do a 2003 update, why would they do a 2003 SE update? :cry:
I think he was asking for the 19xx iPAQs that already have WM2003. There's a non-zero chance, but that's all I'm putting it at. ;)

--janak

Yeah, I've comfirmed with HP which iPAQ's will have an update available for and the H193x and H194x are not part of those update plans. You can read about it here (http://www.ipaqabilities.com/reviews_articles/articles/0304-windows_mobile_2003_se.php) towards the end of the article.

[thendless]

Is this certain that they wont be releasing it for h194x series? I find the reasoning of it being left out due to memory limitations of the ROM a little lame considering h194x has 32MB, the same as 22xx series and the 41xx series. I can understand why they would cut off the h193x series, I was expecting it for that model, but not for the 194x series. If its true however that they wont be giving an update for the h194x, i'll be very dissapointed in HP, it would seem to me they just wanted to give us some excuse so they could leave the 19xx series in the dust and not work on it.

[Darius Wey]

I find that the reason of 'memory limitations' of the 1940 to be complete rubbish.

I've had my fair share of furious moments when it came to HP customer support and service, but this one justs puts the icing on the cake. I know a number of people who were looking forward to updating their 1940s to WM2003SE - but I'll soon know a number of people who'll be complaining to HP! :wink:

I sure hope HP decides to provide updates for the 1930/1940. They're still in the market, and still some of the more preferred models among some users. If anyone knows someone high up in the HP management chain...please pass these messages onto them.

[thendless]

Well I have determined that if HP's excuse that it is due to memory contraints, it's a lie,

http://www.brighthand.com/article/W...ilable?site=PPC

According to the article, Toshiba will be releasing the update for the e405 which only has 16 MB of ROM. Which leads me to the conclusion that HP just wants to leave the 194x series in the dust. I am quite disappointed if this is the case.

Also If you read the article, originally Dell was not goign to offer the upgrade for current X3 and X5 models and there were many negative reactions about it and they are now reconsidering.

Hopefully we will be able to do the same if it is true that they are not releasing the update for the 194x. Anyone know of any e-mail address or pages that we can submit our concerns about this?

[Fishie]

Well I have determined that if HP's excuse that it is due to memory contraints, it's a lie,

http://www.brighthand.com/article/W...ilable?site=PPC

According to the article, Toshiba will be releasing the update for the e405 which only has 16 MB of ROM. Which leads me to the conclusion that HP just wants to leave the 194x series in the dust. I am quite disappointed if this is the case.

Also If you read the article, originally Dell was not goign to offer the upgrade for current X3 and X5 models and there were many negative reactions about it and they are now reconsidering.

Hopefully we will be able to do the same if it is true that they are not releasing the update for the 194x. Anyone know of any e-mail address or pages that we can submit our concerns about this?

Urm the E400 has 48mb of FlashRom

[Darius Wey]

Don't the 1940s and the 2210s have the same amount of flashrom anyway?

Correct me if I am wrong. :wink:

...and also, if anyone does know of an email addy or forum where we can submit requests for HP to provide an upgrade for the 1940s, please let us know. :)

[groan]

this is my message to HP that i sent just a moment ago.
I suggest everyone do the same.
I sent this through the contact HP link pointint to the tech support and to the Other links...




I just read that HP is not going to supply OS upgrades to windows mobile 2003 Second Edition for the Ipaq 1945 due to memory constraints. I happen to know that hte 2210 has the same memory as the 1945 (64MB SDRAM (56MB user accessible)
32MB Flash ROM) and even Toshiba is offering it on theier unit that has only 16 MB of ram! I sincerely hope that you will be reconsidering this as Dell is reconsidering for their lower end Axims.
I'd hate to see your company loose the entire load of people who bouth the 1945 instead of the 2210 due to the form factor it offers. i certainly will reconsider the ipaq line next time if this is not looked at again.

[orangewinger]

Of course we don't really know wether HP will release an official upgrade and if it will be free. When lloking to upgrade my 3870 to 2003 it wasn't a lot more to buy a brand new 2210.

Also the 2003 SE doesn't give non VGA screen'd devices a lot of extras either, but it would be nice to have it.

Dave

[tospappy]

I can't believe they are not going to have an upgrade for the 5400 series. This is an expensive business PDA and it seems theywould want to keep their corporate customers happy. It is only been a less than a year since I got this device. I am up for a full on campaign to get them to change their minds about which updates they will provide. Let's put the power of our voices together and get this done. Sqeaky wheels get the grease. I am ready to start squeaking very loudly.

[thendless]

Well I have determined that if HP's excuse that it is due to memory contraints, it's a lie,

http://www.brighthand.com/article/W...ilable?site=PPC

According to the article, Toshiba will be releasing the update for the e405 which only has 16 MB of ROM. Which leads me to the conclusion that HP just wants to leave the 194x series in the dust. I am quite disappointed if this is the case.

Also If you read the article, originally Dell was not goign to offer the upgrade for current X3 and X5 models and there were many negative reactions about it and they are now reconsidering.

Hopefully we will be able to do the same if it is true that they are not releasing the update for the 194x. Anyone know of any e-mail address or pages that we can submit our concerns about this?

Urm the E400 has 48mb of FlashRom

No, it has only 16MB of CMOS flash rom

http://www.brighthand.com/article/e405_review?site=PPC

32MB is NAND flash memory, which is like the iPAQ filestore which is 13-14 MB on the h1940 and even less on the 2210 - 3 MBs or so I believe

[thendless]

this is the link to send all your concerns!

http://atwnt947.external.hp.com/fd2/email_form.cfm?countrycode=US&langcode=en&sni=314903

[thendless]

Another thing:

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/categoryhome.do?categoryId=273&admit=716493758+1080329908432+28353475

It's the handhelds forum, might even be more effective to post on the forum and mail to HP our concerns!

[Darius Wey]

just wondered over to the hp forums to see a number of ppl voice their disgust at hp not updating the 1900s and 3900s with wm2003se.

hopefully these tactics will make hp reconsider. i dun wanna be spending $$$ on a new pda anytime soon seeing as though i just got mine half a yr ago. money doesn't grow on trees!

[V I P E R X]

I just got an e-mail back from hp regarding this, and I'm not sure if it's good or bad.
Dear HP Customer,

Thank you for contacting HP eServices.

This is with reference to your e-mail regarding the availability of Pocket PC
2003 Second Edition for the iPAQ H1900 series.

We understand your concern.

Please note that we (at e-response) do not have the expected time of arrival
for the Pocket PC 2003 Second Edition.

Hence, we request that you monitor the web link given below for the arrival.

http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/handhelds/us/locate/105_5720.html

We value you as our customer and your satisfaction is of prime importance to
us.

Please e-mail us if you need any clarification and we will be glad to assist.

Thank you,

HP eServices

If we keep sending e-mails and if someone could start a petition, maybe we can get them to upgrade. Don't give up!!

[Fishie]

Well I have determined that if HP's excuse that it is due to memory contraints, it's a lie,

http://www.brighthand.com/article/W...ilable?site=PPC

According to the article, Toshiba will be releasing the update for the e405 which only has 16 MB of ROM. Which leads me to the conclusion that HP just wants to leave the 194x series in the dust. I am quite disappointed if this is the case.

Also If you read the article, originally Dell was not goign to offer the upgrade for current X3 and X5 models and there were many negative reactions about it and they are now reconsidering.

Hopefully we will be able to do the same if it is true that they are not releasing the update for the 194x. Anyone know of any e-mail address or pages that we can submit our concerns about this?

Urm the E400 has 48mb of FlashRom

No, it has only 16MB of CMOS flash rom

http://www.brighthand.com/article/e405_review?site=PPC

32MB is NAND flash memory, which is like the iPAQ filestore which is 13-14 MB on the h1940 and even less on the 2210 - 3 MBs or so I believe

The filestore on the Ipaqs are the remnants of the ROM in wich the actual OS resides, on the 2215 its less as that one has extra software in the ROM image wich the 1940 does not have(Nevo amongst others).
Nothing is stopping Toshiba from reconfiguring the memory so the extra 32MB becomes the rom in wich the OS resides.

[thendless]

There is a Petition online now:

http://www.petitiononline.com/IPAQ1940/petition.html

[Darius Wey]

U reckon this petition wil work?

I've already signed it :D - Fingers crossed!

[groan]

I just got an e-mail back from hp regarding this, and I'm not sure if it's good or bad.
Dear HP Customer,

Thank you for contacting HP eServices.

This is with reference to your e-mail regarding the availability of Pocket PC
2003 Second Edition for the iPAQ H1900 series.

We understand your concern.

Please note that we (at e-response) do not have the expected time of arrival
for the Pocket PC 2003 Second Edition.

Hence, we request that you monitor the web link given below for the arrival.

http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/handhelds/us/locate/105_5720.html

We value you as our customer and your satisfaction is of prime importance to
us.

Please e-mail us if you need any clarification and we will be glad to assist.

Thank you,

HP eServices

If we keep sending e-mails and if someone could start a petition, maybe we can get them to upgrade. Don't give up!!

I got the same one.

Her eis a post on the HP forums
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=526236
it is really short, only 3 posts...there must be a longer one?!