2215 vs. 4155

[Greg Morris]

I have a 2215. Was thinking of selling and going to the 4155 for the smaller size and built-in Wi-Fi. When I went to local Best Buy to look at 4155, they were out of them and I was informed they are discontinuing the 4155? Has anyone heard this? I thought the 4155 was the latest and greatest for small form factor and built in Wi-Fi? Is there a replacement model? Should I stay with my 2215? Thanks for the input.

[Thinkingmandavid]

BEst Buy is discontinuing them, not HP :mrgreen:
They will be getting another model in. For a while the 4155 was only $50.00 bucks more than the 2215.
If you want to upgrade, I would think about how much money you have already invested in your 2215. I personally would wait for another model to come out that had major changes.

[Jason Dunn]

I'm a 2215 user who switched over to a 4150, and I'm loving it. The 4150 is smaller and has a more contrast-heavy screen, but the built-in WiFi is really what "does" it for me. ;-)

[jbachandouris]

I wouldn't put to much stock in what a Best Buy employee says. They have also claimed that Palm's T3 is also discontinued-after 3 months? Doubtful. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have a way to tell what items are on the next truckload.

BTW the 4155 is available on Best Buy.com for $449 if you are still interested.

[Greg Morris]

I wouldn't put to much stock in what a Best Buy employee says. They have also claimed that Palm's T3 is also discontinued-after 3 months? Doubtful. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have a way to tell what items are on the next truckload.

BTW the 4155 is available on Best Buy.com for $449 if you are still interested.

I can understand the lack of knowledge by the typical sales person, but, they had the price marked down to $388 which seemed strange to me. He said they are not getting more in. As the above post indicated, it must be that Best Buy is discontinuing, not HP. If I can find one still at a store for $388, that seems like a good deal.

Thanks for input. I just wondered if people knew of a new unit to be introduced soon, so that I should wait until it comes out versus the 4155 unit.

[Kowalski]

2215 and 4155 are almost the same devices. i dont understand why people are selling 2215 to buy a 4155. throw a wifi card into CF slot and its a 4155. am i wrong? of course there may me some differences but is it worth?
this is a sales technique. and i think you are caught in the web!

[Janak Parekh]

2215 and 4155 are almost the same devices. i dont understand why people are selling 2215 to buy a 4155. throw a wifi card into CF slot and its a 4155. am i wrong? of course there may me some differences but is it worth?
The 2215 and 4155 are not identical devices. Pick them up and hold them in your hand. The 4155 is noticeably smaller, and integrated WiFi is nice (no antenna sticking out of the device).

--janak

[dazednconfused]

Why would Best Buy discontinue a best seller. I was at my local Best Buy just yesterday, they said they expect the 4155 back in stores on 1/15.

The price they list is $388 currently (for a sold out item). Just a sales ploy to keep you interested during the restock delay. I would not be shocked if the price goes back to $449 once it is back in stock.

[jbachandouris]

Sorry, it may not be back on the shelves. According to my Best Buy rep, they are re-doing their handheld section and was not sure what would be displayed. So who knows?

[shawnc]

2215 and 4155 are almost the same devices. i dont understand why people are selling 2215 to buy a 4155. throw a wifi card into CF slot and its a 4155. am i wrong? of course there may me some differences but is it worth?
this is a sales technique. and i think you are caught in the web!

What 8O ? These two machines are not even close to the same. Adding a cf to the 2215 and thinking you have the same device is a tremendous oversimplification.

[Anthony Caruana]

Gotta agree with many other posters here. There is a fair difference between the 4150 and the 2210. I'm a 2210 owner but have had quite a lot of time with the 4150.

I've not switched to the 4150, despite long thinking about it, because of my investment (I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't use the word investment, but I digress) in CF (camera, WiFi and VGA).

If I was buying a PPC with no legacy devices to consider then I'd buy the 4150. It's got a nice screen, built in WiFi with excellent range, speedy performance and nice form factor.

I'm guessing that your Best Buy sales person had no 4150 in stock, lots of 2210 and was chasing a commission.

[Ripper014]

I have not had any experience with the Hp4155 but according to the Hp website the only difference I can see other than form factor.. is the Hp4155 has built-in wifi, slightly larger battery... and the Hp2210 has the CF slot...

I for one chose the CF slot... I want to have the additional SD slot available to me when using any peripherals...

But as I have said again and again... "IF" I were looking for a unit today... my starting point would be the Toshiba E800/E805 series... it has all the things mentioned above and a much larger battery... and more... a dedicated 2mb ATI video card... with VGA...

I am currently use a Hp2210 and am happy with the unit.. less the alarm issue... but the unit showing all the promise is the Toshiba...

[Kati Compton]

I'm guessing that your Best Buy sales person had no 4150 in stock, lots of 2210 and was chasing a commission.
FYI - they don't get commission... Though I think they also get fired if their sales are too low.

[xinhful]

the 2200 and 4150 are totally different and targetted for different customers. let just agree that they are both greath devices and when the models come out with VGA and cameras we hopefully will have moved on. count yourselves lucky, 10 years ago you would be using cassiepias with 4mb ram and black and white.

[sparkyguy]

Best Buy wins the prize when it comes to sleaze, I wouldn't believe anything they say. They think we (consumers) are complete idiots. For example, at the moment, they've got a big promotion going on, offering instant $50 rebates on all their PDAs. Problem is, of the 16 PDAs they generally stock, 13 are sold out, including most models of the IPAQ.

IMO too many people buy their gift cards, and are thereby locked into buying from them. Don't.

Caveat emptor, friends.

[Thinkingmandavid]

Kati Compton wrote
FYI - they don't get commission... Though I think they also get fired if their sales are too low
Kati you are right, they are not on commission, but of course like most in sales they are rated by how well they do in the "numbers game."
Examples of that are their service plan, what they were to budget for the day, the best buy credit card, etc.

The 41xx and the 22xx may have similarities, but when it comes to convenience in size, I think the 41xx has the advantage. I would only use the cf slot on a 22xx for wi fi, but with the 41xx having wi fi built in, then I do not care about having the slot. I would only need extra memory so the sd slot would be enough for me.

[Anthony Caruana]

I'm guessing that your Best Buy sales person had no 4150 in stock, lots of 2210 and was chasing a commission.
FYI - they don't get commission... Though I think they also get fired if their sales are too low.

Sorry, my mistake. We don't have Best Buy in my part of the world. I always buy my PPCs either direct from the OEM or from a PDA specialist store.

[Kowalski]

hey i didnt say that these devices are identical!!!
i know that 4155 has a better form factor but CF and CIR forced me to a 2215 instead of 4155.
we all have 50 megs of internal storage. you must have at least 10-15 megs of free ram both for program and storage in order the device to run properly, so i install some programs to my SD card, especially the big ones dictionarys and roms. and never pull the card off from device since i have an extra slot for another memory or my wifi or whatever i might have in the future.
and for some people nevo wouldnt be so valuable but i use it heavly.

so you cant say that 4155 is far better than 2155. both are good devices. thats all!

i'm happy with my 2215 and i wouldn't change to 4155 even for free!!!

[Greg Morris]

I started this string, so thought I would update. I had no other investment in my 2210 device except for the device. So, to get wi-fi would have been another $50-$60 for card. I managed to sell my 2210 to a friend for $300. I took Best Buy's price of $382 last week for the 4155 to CompUSA, got a price match and bought the 4155. I wanted the wi-fi built in and I liked the smaller size. With the good price on the 4155 (I also had purchesed my 2210 at 10% off, for $360), I was able to make minimal investment to change devices. I will say, there are some things I like a little better about the 2210, and some I like better about the 4155. All in all I am happy with the change. Form factor won out for me.

[david291]

Is another difference that only the 2210 can use the 3600 mAh extended battery? The 4150 can't use that battery, right?

[fmcpherson]

fwiw I have problems using Bluetooth to connect my 4155 with Sony Ericsson T68i where I nave no problems connecting a 2210 to the same phone with Bluetooth.

[Kowalski]

i had the same problem befoure the bt update on my 2215 but its stupid that you experienced the same problem!!!
will hp make a bt update for 41xx too???

[Linkwannabe]

They are probably updating what they carry because they seem to be liquidating the stock on pdas and accessories. I saw them fill 2 carts with pda accessories and cart them off, and they still haven't been replaced at the store I was in. And I also know that Best Buy doesn't fire employees that don't sell enough. They don't even keep track of individual sales. They get fired for doing a bad job just like anywhere else.

[Howard2k]

Easy choice for me. The only CF card I owned was a wifi card for my Axim X5. Since I was already using SD memory in my Axim and in my Digital Camera it was 4155 all the way!

[PoweriPaq]

Not the same. 2215 plus CF WiFi card = $400 + CF Card $75 = 4155 for less

2215 and 4155 are almost the same devices. i dont understand why people are selling 2215 to buy a 4155. throw a wifi card into CF slot and its a 4155. am i wrong? of course there may me some differences but is it worth?
this is a sales technique. and i think you are caught in the web!

[zamus68]

As a person who uses the PPC for everything - Training (health type), ebooks, mp3 player, video player, work functions (e-mail, remote access, etc), education, games, etc. - here my upgrade path from a 3955 (as from all previous units) used the following logic which narrowed my choices down to 4155,2215, and e805.

1. Size. The 4155 wins this hands down. With the e805 coming in second. I don't want to have to carry anything besides my PPC. With the 2215 as with my 3955 in order to get full functionality I have to have extra pieces to carry. The fewer the better. Not to mentin the WiFI card fucntionality add's a good half inch to an inch to the size of the 2215.

2. Screen. The e805 had me drooling in the department. The 4155 and 2215 pretty much tied in the department. I cannot wait till the lovely 480x640 hits the smaller units.

3. Connectivity. The 4155 wins here also. The e805 is second by having wi-fi. This is important because the 4155 support both blue tooth and Wi-fi.

4. Future expansion. The 4155 won for me. It's debatable but the CF slot is not that big an issue here. You won't need a CF for WiFi or Bluetooth. So what else could you use it for? Tv tuner/ Fm radio? why bother when you have mp3 & mpegs to listen/watch. The reception is terrible anyway. GPS? Much better off using the blue tooth GPS's so you can have fewer wires hanging around, not to mention you navigtor(s) can hold the device versus playing with it in a vent mount. CF camera? Nope, have SD camera's now. Maybe a presentations hook up which is useless to me but very important to others. I'd have to research and see what else is available.

Basicaly the only thing I've lost expansin wise is the quick swap from my s40 of the CF to my ipaq for a bigger screen to preview pictures on. Hopefully this will be solved soon when I find the mysterious Panasonic CF to SD card.

In closing I see no reason to not upgrade, maybe a 100 loss if you have the 2215. You save the extra accersories you'd have to carry plus size (add in the antenna of your wifi card). If you are just buying there's no reason to by a 2215.

[Kowalski]

If you are just buying there's no reason to by a 2215.

CIR

[Macguy59]

I read recently that Best Buy has decided to dramatically reduce the # of PDA's for sale at their retail stores. The powers that be forsee low to zero growth in sales of the units.