LG Readies Pocket PC Phone Edition [Archive]

Ed Hansberry

10-18-2003, 04:46 AM

<a href="http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=505">http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=505</a> "LG recently revealed their new state of the art PocketPC Phone Edition device at ITU Telecom World 2003. The device includes a built-in 1.1 megapixel camera and has been dubbed the LG-SC8000. The phone uses a slider design to accommodate a traditional numeric keypad. There is also some computing power to make everything work, such as the 400Mhz XScale processor and 192MB of storage. The LG phone also has a slot for a memory card, for further memory expansion. It has both IrDA and USB ports so it can communicate with other devices. It uses a relatively small 2.8 inch 262,000 color TFT LCD and is scheduled to be released into the Korean market at the end of this year." <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2003/20031017-lgsmartphone.jpg" /> :drool:

HTK

10-18-2003, 05:07 AM

192mb of built-in storage?
damn!

limit

10-18-2003, 05:12 AM

Does it support bluetooth headset? or wi-fi connection

ctmagnus

10-18-2003, 05:20 AM

192MB of storage

I smell marketing speak. Why don't they just say 128MB RAM + 64MB ROM? Are they trying to get the "dumb" PPC market with that line?

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

guinness

10-18-2003, 05:24 AM

Looks nice, is that 192 MB = 64 ROM + 128 MB RAM? Also, 262,000 colors?, I thought that all LCD screens in PDA's were 16-bit (about 65,000 colors)

Excalliber

10-18-2003, 06:14 AM

Surprisingly enough, it looks really small, especially when you consider that's a 2.8 inch screen reference.

Fishie

10-18-2003, 06:25 AM

Treo who?

Man I want this, havent had a cellphone since I ditched it in january 99, I was TOO available back then.

David C

10-18-2003, 06:55 AM

I wish this had a Wifi and BT plus QWERTY and 65K screen. Maybe someone at LG will listen, and come with something of that sort.

Tom W.M.

10-18-2003, 07:04 AM

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

Yeah, wierd. But then, Casio's BE-300 (http://www.casio.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.content&catalog=Personal%20PCs&section=Pocket%20Managers&product=BE%2D300&content=Technical%20Specs) has a 12-bit (32k colors) screen. So I guess that the display doesn't have to support a power-of-two bitdepth.

It's a shame that this device only has a keypad—it would be more applealing to me if it had a full keyboard.

Jonathan1

10-18-2003, 07:29 AM

I KNEW I wasn’t imagining things on the last pic we saw of this. It’s keypad DOES slide into the device like the Zarus. SWEET! I want one. Heh even if it does come here Verizion probably wouldn’t support it. :roll

Jonathan1

10-18-2003, 07:31 AM

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

Yeah, wierd. But then, Casio's BE-300 (http://www.casio.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.content&catalog=Personal%20PCs&section=Pocket%20Managers&product=BE%2D300&content=Technical%20Specs) has a 12-bit (32k colors) screen.

12-bit is relatively common for low end Pocket PC's. The first gen PPC's had 12-bit color.

Fishie

10-18-2003, 08:36 AM

I wish this had a Wifi and BT plus QWERTY and 65K screen. Maybe someone at LG will listen, and come with something of that sort.

I see so having a screen capable of MORE then 64k colours is somehow worse then one that is limited to 64k?

Fishie

10-18-2003, 08:36 AM

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

Yeah, wierd. But then, Casio's BE-300 (http://www.casio.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.content&catalog=Personal%20PCs§ion=Pocket%20Managers&product=BE%2D300&content=Technical%20Specs) has a 12-bit (32k colors) screen. So I guess that the display doesn't have to support a power-of-two bitdepth.

It's a shame that this device only has a keypad—it would be more applealing to me if it had a full keyboard.
12 bit is actually 4096 colours

Fishie

10-18-2003, 08:54 AM

Does it support bluetooth headset? or wi-fi connection

It does have bleutooth, just found that out

Pocket PC Dubai

10-18-2003, 09:27 AM

2.8" Screen!! thats the deal breaker for me

Thinkingmandavid

10-18-2003, 09:53 AM

The screen is to small for me. some one said that is the way of lower ppc's, referring to the 12 bit. i bet ya this wont have such a low price. remember the I-500 from samsung...it fliops open, has palm os, and screen size is small, and spring site is 599.99

Prevost

10-18-2003, 12:31 PM

The screen is too small. A typical Palm square screen is 3" diagonal and is SQUARE... so been this one RECTANGULAR, how much wide would you see?

Probably it's a good thing having a PDA able to communicate by itself, but I don't think they can turn into a cell phone replacement, just because interface sizes have a different limit at the low end.

hindencm

10-18-2003, 03:45 PM

The Screen would only be 1.55 inches wide and 2.33 inches tall 8O . How would words even be ledgeable? Way too small for me.

HTK

10-18-2003, 04:07 PM

I guess they can´t please everybody, if the screen is too small ( to make a smaller device ) its illegible, if it is bigger, the size of the device is impractical to be a cellphone. :|
I personally like the idea of smaller screens, go get your glasses if you can´t read it 8)

Paragon

10-18-2003, 04:25 PM

The screen IS small, and for many that may be a deal breaker. But, I think this is headed down the right path for a converged device. Almost to a person, people who say they don't want a converged device, the reason is size. This looks to be a great blend of the two. The screen is still big enough to use, but the device is smaller, and has a keyboard. I think whoever picks this up will do quite well with it.

Dave

huangzhinong

10-18-2003, 05:28 PM

This pocketpc phone is really nice.
You can see:
color depth: 18bits (16 bits is 65k, 12bits is only 4k)
LCD size is 1.55inch*2.33inch resolution is 240*320

comparing with T3(2.0*3.0inch 320*480), this PPC phone will have much better display(more accurate color and fine font).

Paragon

10-18-2003, 05:33 PM

Sorry if I missed this.....is it CDMA 1x or GSM/GPRS?

Dave

Bob Anderson

10-18-2003, 05:49 PM

I want one. Heh even if it does come here Verizion probably wouldn’t support it. :roll

Let's keep our fingers crossed... Verizon seems to offer quite a few LG phones...

Jason Dunn

10-18-2003, 05:59 PM

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

Actually, this is probably correct - I've heard of 18-bit displays coming on mobile devices. More colour depth than 16 bit, but not as intensive as 24-bit.

Jason Dunn

10-18-2003, 06:00 PM

I like the looks of this, and could cope with the 2.8" screen (I like the size of my Smartphone screen), but I would have preferred to see a QWERTY-style keyboard - I still suck at T9.

Still, isn't it nice to see some innovation? :mrgreen:

yawanag

10-18-2003, 06:16 PM

Pardon me while I wipe the drool from my screen. The slide in keyboard is a feature I'd buy it for though I'm still waiting for MDA II.

PetiteFlower

10-18-2003, 07:08 PM

This is incredibly cool.....and the small screen is a GOOD thing for a cell phone, makes it more comfortable to carry around. I'd have to actually see and hold it to see whether the screen was still big enough to be usable though. But it's still really really cool either way :) It's the first PPC Phone I've seen that I'd even CONSIDER carrying!

Sheynk

10-18-2003, 09:44 PM

I WILL BUY THIS THE DAY I WILL SEE IT IN US!!!

Wow what an amazing piece of technology..... looks like the sl55(56) from siemens!!!
Amazing, lets hope sprint will offer these (yes///3g is better than gsm)

Tom W.M.

10-19-2003, 02:12 AM

And 18-bit colour? 18 isn't a very round binary-type number.

Yeah, wierd. But then, Casio's BE-300 (http://www.casio.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.content&catalog=Personal%20PCs§ion=Pocket%20Managers&product=BE%2D300&content=Technical%20Specs) has a 12-bit (32k colors) screen. So I guess that the display doesn't have to support a power-of-two bitdepth.

It's a shame that this device only has a keypad—it would be more applealing to me if it had a full keyboard.
12 bit is actually 4096 colours
Sorry, I ment 15 bit.

huangzhinong

10-19-2003, 04:01 AM

The powerpoint info is correct finally.
http://homepage20.seed.net.tw/web/kennice/MyWeb.zip/1.htm
Here is the preview Toshia E800, lots of pictures, using 56k modem users have to be patient.

limit

10-19-2003, 04:05 AM

Thanks fishie

Does anyone here know the dimension of this devices?

Tom W.M.

10-19-2003, 04:42 AM

The powerpoint info is correct finally.
http://homepage20.seed.net.tw/web/kennice/MyWeb.zip/1.htm
Here is the preview Toshia E800, lots of pictures, using 56k modem users have to be patient.
8O That screen looks incredible. Thanks for the great link, but are you sure that this is the correct thread for this? You should reall submit it as a news item.

With all of these incredible new devices, maybe :drool: should be moved to the set of emoticons immediately available! :wink:

rbrome

10-19-2003, 08:44 PM

Sorry if I missed this.....is it CDMA 1x or GSM/GPRS?

Dave

If it's for Korea, it's almost certainly CDMA. The question is whether it's CDMA 1xRTT or 1xEV-DO. Probably 1xEV-DO, which means insanely fast wireless data (as fast as DSL broadband, but wireless).

Of course, Korean CDMA isn't really compatible with CDMA anywhere else. If it's 800 MHz, it might be possible to activate it with Verizon in some places if you know the right people, but all of the advanced features (like, um the wireless data and even caller-ID) would not work - just the basic voice part of the phone.

Paragon

10-19-2003, 11:55 PM

cessquill

10-20-2003, 10:19 AM

The powerpoint info is correct finally.
http://homepage20.seed.net.tw/web/kennice/MyWeb.zip/1.htm
Here is the preview Toshia E800, lots of pictures, using 56k modem users have to be patient.

The links gives me a strange message and that's it. Mind you, I'm behind a bizarre firewall here, so will try at home later.

At first glance this seems like the perfect convergence to me - I've always said I like my phones small, and my PPC's big, but this looks like the perfect balance to me. I quite like T9 input, and I've never wanted to use a phone without a standard keypad. Add a camera, a PPC interface and finally I'm carrying everything around with me.

Roll on UK (3G) support PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE :ppclove:

MarcTGFG

10-20-2003, 12:11 PM

at http://todaysppc.intizen.com/main/bhtml.php?pgname=/gm/archives/00001003.htm

It seems to have Bluetooth integrated (shows the configuration screens)
it also says something about Wifi.

Looks COOOOOOL!

I want a GSM or 3G-version.

MarcTGFG

10-20-2003, 12:41 PM

I just did a little bit of extrapolating in Photoshop with one of the pictures of the LG SC8000.

Since it was photographed almost exactly from front these numbers should be pretty reliable:

Screen: 42,7 x 56,5 mm (width x height)
Body: 57 x 105 mm (width x height) 59 mm wide with protusion of camera
Body with extended keypad: 142 mm

Since there is nothing I could set the width in relation too, I am unable to have an estimate. Probably thicker than most PPCs.

Still this is VERY small for a PPC!

Now compare this to the dimensions of the Nokia 7650 smartphone, the most sold smartphone in Europe:

Screen: 35 x 41 mm (MUCH smaller!)
Body: 56 x 113 mm (1 mm less in width, 8 mm larger in height!)
Body with extended keypad: 157 mm (15 mm LARGER than LG)

Thats quite astonishing to have such a large screen (compared to smartphomnes) in such a small package.

Give me a GSM version and I'm sold!

Still a concern to me: Screen protection (where is the flip cover?)
Stand by and talk times (Battery capacity?)

MarcTGFG

10-20-2003, 12:50 PM

of course I can extrapolate the depth of the unit:

approx. 24 mm (the same as Nokia 7650!)

Also: Is that a flesh next to the camera or is it a mirror?

Not shiny enough for something metallic like a mirror I would say.

ghoonk

10-21-2003, 11:33 AM

wonder if this is CDMA or GSM?

just because it's coming out of korea doesn't mean it HAS to be CDMA. Over here in Singapore, we do get LG and Samsung phones that are GSM 900/1800.

I've got a 7650, and it's no wonder they're the most sold phone in Europe. Downside is the absence of an MMC expansion slot and BT headset support (which I've learnt to live without). The upcoming 6600 should address both, but this baby's on my radar now.

MarcTGFG

10-22-2003, 09:29 PM

If it is WCDMA (not unlikely for a korean phone) it could be compatible with the 3G networks that are just now getting up in Europe.

I inquired at LG but didnt get a response yet.

Thinkingmandavid

10-23-2003, 02:39 AM

Sprint and Verizon are cdma, so no matter which one it goes to it will be cdma for them.
Cingular, ATT use tdma and gsm, also tmobile uses gsm....so if they make it a gsm as well then they will get it:)
Cingular :rock on dude!:
Jason, was it you who said couldnt get the T-9??????
you gotta be kidding me, how hard can that be?????