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Ed Hansberry
10-09-2003, 01:00 PM
<a href="http://www.paksoipda.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=1247&amp;mode=flat&amp;order=0&amp;thold=0">http://www.paksoipda.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=1247&amp;mode=flat&amp;order=0&amp;thold=0</a><br /><br />It looks like there is a new Pocket PC Phone Edition, and judging by the <a href="http://www.paksoipda.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1246&mode=flat&order=0&thold=0">benchmarks</a> it is one of the most powerful 2003 devices available.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2003/20031009-hutchice.gif" /><br /><br />Features include:<br /><br />• CDMA2000 1X at maximum speed 153.6kbps, dual band (800/1900 MHz)<br />• Intel PXA-255 X-Scale 400MHz<br />• SDIO<br />• Silent/vibrate mode<br />• 5 hours of talk time
suhit
10-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Looks excellent at first especially wrt speed, and the fact that it is a CDMA phone, however it has no BT, no Wi-Fi, no CF, no camera. No point? :( I don't understand why they come up with a kick-ass device like this one but then be lame by not adding the basic features that everyone is looking for these days. :?

Suhit
surur
10-09-2003, 01:40 PM
There has been a lot of talk about the death of the PDA, and how smartphones are going to take over. I noticed that the majority of the new devices anounced in the last month have some phone functionality built in. I think it s more like PDA's growing into the phone niche, the same way PDA's have added WIFI. As long as there is no reduction in functionality (like this device) it doesnt really matter if it has some kind of wireless WAN built in.

My next device is going to the the MDA 2.

Surur
Evee Ev
10-09-2003, 01:48 PM
this is a pretty cool phone/ppc combo. but with the lack of wireless options (bt & wi-fi) it's a bit troubling.
Paragon
10-09-2003, 01:48 PM
Audiovox have also picked up this device from HTC, and it looks like it will be available in Canada sometime soon through BellMobility. As well as Verizon in the USA.

http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36160

Dave
inteller
10-09-2003, 02:32 PM
Hopefully this will come to Sprint in the form of a Toshiba branded audiovox.


Something is not right though...what is that bulbous thing on it. It looks like a wi-fi bulb antenna.
mty
10-09-2003, 02:37 PM
Looks excellent at first especially wrt speed, and the fact that it is a CDMA phone, however it has no BT, no Wi-Fi, no CF, no camera. No point? :( I don't understand why they come up with a kick-ass device like this one but then be lame by not adding the basic features that everyone is looking for these days. :?

Suhit

Because BT, WF, and CF would add bulk and price and make it harder to sell! I for one would be pretty stoked to have 153.6kbps, a CMDA phone (so it works outside of major population areas), and SDIO! That said, I do have to agree with you on the camera.

MTY
mv
10-09-2003, 03:34 PM
This looks like the new thera! anyway, it doesnīt really need wifi or BT, since it already has a phone, and can surf the web, right? It may be an option, but if this can be selled at around $300 it may be a hit. Not all people want cameras. It may be an option also - $300 for the basic unit, and $500 for the fully loaded.
JonnoB
10-09-2003, 03:49 PM
This looks like the new thera! anyway, it doesnīt really need wifi or BT, since it already has a phone, and can surf the web, right?

BT is not just so you can get a PDA to use a phone to get on the net. Maybe someone wants to use that 153k phone speed from their BT enabled laptop? For a phone, I see the biggest use of a PAN wireless system is through a hands-free headset. Unless you don't need hands-free operation or don't care about being tethered to your phone???
yawanag
10-09-2003, 04:27 PM
I don't understand why they come up with a kick-ass device like this one but then be lame by not adding the basic features that everyone is looking for these days. :?

These are my sentiments exactly. We keep screaming for an all-in-1 and they aren't listening.

The appearance smacks of the T-Mobile. This gives me the opportunity to ask the question about the new MDAII. Reviews and photos show that there is no antenna, where is the stylus house? Like the IPAQ that pops up?
Paragon
10-09-2003, 04:43 PM
Why doesn't this device have BT, and camera? Well, consider the fact that this device (the HTC Falcon) was designed several months ago. Before BT, and cameras were as available as they are now on devices. Given that I'm willing to bet that Audiovox, and whoever else are able to pick this device up for a very good price, and sell it to those who are looking for a PDA/phone combo.

Personally I like this device the way it is. I don't need Bluetooth in a converged device, and I own a camera. Until they can put a decent quality camera in a PPC I don't want to have to pay extra for it in my Phone Edition device. I have a CF Camera for a review which I haven't done because the quality is very poor, and I see limited real use for it. If you happen to NEED a picture of something and don't have a camera with you it's ok...beyond that it's a toy at this point.

Dave
Jason Lee
10-09-2003, 05:00 PM
earlier reports said it has SDIO. you can put you bluetooth there. :)
JonnoB
10-09-2003, 05:11 PM
earlier reports said it has SDIO. you can put you bluetooth there. :)

Then where does someone put there storage cards? The point of integrated bluetooth is that it is purpose-meant for a converged device and should not fill a spot that would normally be used for storage.
rmasinag
10-09-2003, 07:01 PM
The main reason i'm opposed to PPCPE devices still is that they tend to be the size of Capital class ships in vidgames(i.e. G1000) :(

At the same time I dont think I would want a smaller screen than my 2210 so my phone would still have to be sizeable. I'm sure I'm not alone in this camp. So this is where BT comes into play for headsets. I'm sure you can do without BT on your Battlestar Galactica PPCPE if you are the new CA governor, but for the rest of us weakling, thechnogeeks, lighter is better. Plus I am not too keen on showing off how much body oil my face can produce on my screen.

And so end my little rant..... :mrgreen:
Paragon
10-09-2003, 07:23 PM
The main reason i'm opposed to PPCPE devices still is that they tend to be the size of Capital class ships in vidgames(i.e. G1000) :(

At the same time I dont think I would want a smaller screen than my 2210 so my phone would still have to be sizeable. I'm sure I'm not alone in this camp. So this is where BT comes into play for headsets. I'm sure you can do without BT on your Battlestar Galactica PPCPE if you are the new CA governor, but for the rest of us weakling, thechnogeeks, lighter is better. Plus I am not too keen on showing off how much body oil my face can produce on my screen.

And so end my little rant..... :mrgreen:

Whooo dude!

Have you held an XDA, or i700? These devices are not big at all. The XDA is smaller than a 3000 or 5000 series Ipaq. It's smaller than a Dell Axim. Smaller than an HP560 Jornada, and smaller than many other PPCs. I can understand if you want a smaller deivce, but don't be confused about the actual size or abilities of the XDA or i700.

As well the screen is not smaller than an H2215 Ipaq...it is identical. As for oils on the screen. Screen protectors do wonders for that. With a screen protector it doesn't seem to adhere the same, nor does it show.

To each his own. I don't want to sound like I'm saying you are wrong. I just don't want you or anyone to be missled by misconceptions. :)

Dave
Jason Lee
10-09-2003, 07:33 PM
earlier reports said it has SDIO. you can put you bluetooth there. :)

Then where does someone put there storage cards? The point of integrated bluetooth is that it is purpose-meant for a converged device and should not fill a spot that would normally be used for storage.

shhhh... you weren't supposed to mention that... ;)
freitasm
10-09-2003, 08:01 PM
Telecom New Zealand had one in demo a couple of weeks ago in Auckland, and they'll send me the unit to review on Geekzone, surfing on their CDMA 1x network (can't wait for next week).

If I recall someone talking about Thera, yes this is supposed to be the next Audiovox.
mv
10-09-2003, 08:48 PM
This looks like the new thera! anyway, it doesnīt really need wifi or BT, since it already has a phone, and can surf the web, right?

BT is not just so you can get a PDA to use a phone to get on the net. Maybe someone wants to use that 153k phone speed from their BT enabled laptop? For a phone, I see the biggest use of a PAN wireless system is through a hands-free headset. Unless you don't need hands-free operation or don't care about being tethered to your phone???

Maybe, but most people donīt care about aligning the IR ports to surf the web on their laptops via the cellphone. On a PDA, itīs a totally different thing; itīs just too uncomfortable to do so. I love BT and i think is a very usefull technollogy that should be everywhere, but people needs to have choices.
JonnoB
10-09-2003, 08:56 PM
Maybe, but most people donīt care about aligning the IR ports to surf the web on their laptops via the cellphone. On a PDA, itīs a totally different thing; itīs just too uncomfortable to do so. I love BT and i think is a very usefull technollogy that should be everywhere, but people needs to have choices.

Exactly my point. A BT enabled laptop could use the phone to connect to the internet without any wires or aligning of IR ports. I agree that choices should be given, but BT is one of those things that should just be in every phone. It gets to the point where it will eventually be as useful to a phone as a mouse is to a computer... you can run a computer without a mouse, but you get so much more productive with one. :D
rmasinag
10-10-2003, 12:23 AM
These devices are not big at all

I guess I'm partial against devices that is bigger than my 2210 (had a H3135). Had an XDA for a week (a friend wanted a "real" vacation). I think I700 is pretty. It seems like I was kinda biased towards XDA2 until the HP6000? series rumors.


As for oils on the screen. Screen protectors do wonders for that

I've been a WriteShield slave since ~2000 until 2 months ago when I ran into Mr. Martin Fields. And I must say "There is no escaping greaseface!" on PPCPEs, even with WriteShields. You must live in desert being a vegetarian, so no greaseface on your Writeshield. :D


-----just my $.50
Paragon
10-10-2003, 12:32 AM
You must live in desert being a vegetarian, so no greaseface on your Writeshield. :D


-----just my $.50

Canadian! We sweat less than Hawaiians. :)

Dave
WyattEarp
10-10-2003, 01:36 AM
Without Bluetooth this device becomes somewhat worthless because there is no way to connect a Bluetooth headset to it which would make it the ultimate PDA/Phone combo. People are tired of wires (headphones to walkmans, phones to headsets) come one now. Manufactures just aren't thinking.
maximus
10-10-2003, 01:58 AM
I don't understand why they come up with a kick-ass device like this one but then be lame by not adding the basic features that everyone is looking for these days. :?

These are my sentiments exactly. We keep screaming for an all-in-1 and they aren't listening.


The problem is, we are screaming, but we still buy the 'defected' products anyway. If you really want to make them listen, stop buying 'defected' products.

I, for one, will never ever buy a PPC/PPCPE without integrated CF slot. Not in this life.
danmanmayer
10-10-2003, 08:06 AM
all i need is the money and the device being avialable. hehe
topps
10-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Without Bluetooth this device becomes somewhat worthless because there is no way to connect a Bluetooth headset to it which would make it the ultimate PDA/Phone combo. People are tired of wires (headphones to walkmans, phones to headsets) come one now. Manufactures just aren't thinking.

Couldn't agree more. The rest of the extras like cameras etc are fluff...but BT for a headset is an important usability issue. Oh well, looks like it will be XDA II for me.
ipaqgeek
10-11-2003, 04:51 AM
Unbelievable. Yet another PPCPE where you can EITHER add memory, OR extend the functionality with an expansion device of some sort (GPS, BT, WiFi, adapter, bar code, etc) - BUT NOT DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. How rediculous. Expansion ability should NEVER come at the cost of using your only memory expansion port.
WyattEarp
10-21-2003, 07:08 AM
Two SD drives would be the icing on the cake along with bluetooth but if something like wifi is the only thing missing then it won't be that bad.