iPAQ 4000 Series Pictures & Info Posted to FCC Site [Archive]

Jason Dunn

10-01-2003, 05:36 PM

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=169410&fcc_id=\'NM8HB251\'' target='_blank'>http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/c...id=\'NM8HB251\'</a><br /><br /></div>The FCC continues to give us a lot of juicy info, and today we have the first firm information on the 4000 series iPAQ.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ipaq4000.jpg" /> <br />Brighthand beat me to this by a few minutes, so rather than go through <a href="http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=361571&native_or_pdf=pdf">the user manual myself</a> and glean all the details, I'll just point you to <a href="http://www.brighthand.com/article/FCC_Approves_iPAQ_h4155">their article on the subject.</a> ;-)

royisher

10-01-2003, 05:52 PM

Great to hear ;)

guinness

10-01-2003, 05:53 PM

What's the advantage of this over the X3 with WiFi for $400?

Call me the Devil's Advocate, but I think that the T|3 will clean up the compitition at Christmas this year, hi-res, 400 MHz X-Scale, 64 Meg RAM, BT, how come no other manufacturer of PPC's is being somewhat creative with features/designs? (Toshiba is evil) PPC's just all look similar or have similar features.

Jason Dunn

10-01-2003, 05:56 PM

mar2k

10-01-2003, 06:00 PM

How is the T|3 being creative though? Sure, the high resolution screen is nice, but that's not something PPC OEMs can offer yet. The T|3 seems to have good value for the dollar, but what exactly is creative about it?

Not to mention its pitiful 900mAh non user-swappable battery. Increasing screen size and adding features while keeping the battery size the same, its crazy they would think that would fly, people are already complaining about short battery life and it hasn't been officially released but one day. At least HP and Dell have a clue and gave the user the option to replace the battery.....

ricksfiona

10-01-2003, 06:03 PM

NICE machine. If it has 128MB of memory, it would be a done deal.

Sslixtis

10-01-2003, 06:06 PM

Ok, so does it have a jog dial? If it does I'll take two! 8O

guinness

10-01-2003, 06:08 PM

What's the advantage of this over the X3 with WiFi for $400?

I haven't seen the X3 yet, but I think the 4000 series iPAQ is a fair bit smaller, isn't it?

Call me the Devil's Advocate, but I think that the T|3 will clean up the compitition at Christmas this year, hi-res, 400 MHz X-Scale, 64 Meg RAM, BT, how come no other manufacturer of PPC's is being somewhat creative with features/designs?

How is the T|3 being creative though? Sure, the high resolution screen is nice, but that's not something PPC OEMs can offer yet. The T|3 seems to have good value for the dollar, but what exactly is creative about it?

DTG 6, which can view/edit native Office docs, built into the ROM. For a long time, Pocket Word and Excel have been getting beat up by DTG, but you had to convert the files with DTG, now it doesn't matter.

Portrait/Landscape toggle - no soft reset required + higher res, almost worth price of admission there.

Even on the T|3 page, PalmOne is becoming more aggressive: (Marketing speak, but still)

"STRETCH DISPLAY
Breakthrough 320x480 Stretch Display rotates from portrait to landscape with the tap of a button for optimum viewing of spreadsheets, web pages and more. 50% more viewing area than other Palm handhelds and twice the resolution of Pocket PC 2003 handhelds."

Meanwhile, MS and Sony just twiddle their thumbs, I think MS is just hedging their bets on smartphones, Sony you never know, as long as it's their way.

http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/

So, not earth shattering, but better than most other PPC's.

Iamzim

10-01-2003, 06:47 PM

"According to leaked information, the iPAQ h4155 will cost $449 when it is released later this year. "

I just got my 2215 less then 3 months ago ... :-(

apeguero

10-01-2003, 06:54 PM

Did you all see in page 17 of the PDF manual? It's an image of the H4300 iPaq, YUCK!!! That's one ugly looking PPC.

JonnoB

10-01-2003, 07:03 PM

I want a thumboard, but not like the 43xx or the Hitachi unit. These make the devices big (long) and ugly. The Sharp had the right idea with the sliding dpad. I also think the Jornada 56x had a good idea too by integrating a keyboard with a flip cover. I have and use a 221x every day now, but I still miss the design of the Jornada 56x series. Had it progressed with dual slots, smaller form factor, new screen and processor, wireless, etc... it would be the best PDA today.

vovillamor

10-01-2003, 07:11 PM

[quote=guinness]What's the advantage of this over the X3 with WiFi for $400?

I haven't seen the X3 yet, but I think the 4000 series iPAQ is a fair bit smaller, isn't it?

/quote]

I think the X3 only has Wi-Fi, whereas this new iPAQ has both Bluethooth and Wi-Fi.

Brighthand also wrote that it is "nearly exactly the same size as the 1900 series". Without digging up the dimensions of the X3, I would think that this new iPAQ is smaller than anything from Dell. I like this smaller size.

At the expected price of $449, this is $50 more than the current price of a 2215. For $50 more, I would get everything in a 2215 plus Bluetooth, but would lose the CF slot. But then again, the primary reason for me wanting a second slot on a PocketPC would have been to add a wireless card (such as a Wi-Fi card on a iPAQ 2215, or a Bluetooth card on a Tosh e755). But since this has both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, I probably could get by without the CF slot.

The $50 difference is like the difference between the iPAQ 1935 and 1945, where the only difference is Bluetooth. Between the 2215 and the 4155, the difference is Wi-Fi and a CF slot. I think if HP could've added Wi-Fi to a 2215 and sold it for $50 more, I think that would have satisfied my desire for both Bluetooth and Wi-fi [and still keep the CF slot]. As it stands with the 4155, it'll satisfy my wireless desires, but I'm sure a voice in the back of my head would always say "what about that CF slot on the 2215?".

I'm looking forward to more information about the release of this new device.

Ed@Brighthand

10-01-2003, 07:34 PM

The $50 difference is like the difference between the iPAQ 1935 and 1945, where the only difference is Bluetooth. Between the 2215 and the 4155, the difference is Wi-Fi and a CF slot. I think if HP could've added Wi-Fi to a 2215 and sold it for $50 more, I think that would have satisfied my desire for both Bluetooth and Wi-fi [and still keep the CF slot]. As it stands with the 4155, it'll satisfy my wireless desires, but I'm sure a voice in the back of my head would always say "what about that CF slot on the 2215?".
I have nothing to back this up, but I suspect that the next member of the h2200 series will have built-in Wi-Fi. That's what I would do if I were HP.

Paul P

10-01-2003, 07:37 PM

JVC cancels two first Pocket PCs

Oh, so that's why. :)

JonnoB

10-01-2003, 07:38 PM

Jason Lee

10-01-2003, 07:46 PM

I think i want the 4300. I love thumb boards. I wrote many a paper on my ipaq that way. I can type on those a lot faster than i can input on screen. Not as fast as a full size keyboard but still nice.
Size is a bit of a consern but this device is soooo small to begin with. It is only 0.56in longer than my e740 and lots smaller every other way.
Though, I would like the 4100 as well. Very small, all that wireless like stuff.. ooohh.. would miss the cf slot though. I still use mine for my 10/100 lan card. Now if i can make my e740 last that long, touch sensativity is pooping out... :(

I am leaning toward the 4300 but a quick fondle at my local tech dealer will help finnalize the decision.

Kevin Daly

10-01-2003, 07:49 PM

Jason Lee

10-01-2003, 07:51 PM

hehe good point. but i want a thumb board.... :(
with the 4300 having one built in i really doubt they will make an attachable one for the 4100... :(

Jonathan1

10-01-2003, 08:19 PM

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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

*gruns* *Points* Me want.....Must have new device. Jornada showing age.

vovillamor

10-01-2003, 08:20 PM

I have nothing to back this up, but I suspect that the next member of the h2200 series will have built-in Wi-Fi. That's what I would do if I were HP.

Do that, keep the CF slot and add a flip cover, scroll wheel, and record button and this would become the best Pocket PC ever.

I hope HP is thinking of having Bluetooth AND Wi-fi, not OR Wi-fi. I have a definite need for Wi-fi, but only a strong desire for Bluetooth (which would mean I would also have a strong desire for a Bluetooth phone). Having them both integrated into the device would be great, and having both a CF and SD slot would be even better.

A scroll wheel would be nice...I used one on my Jornada 540, but am disappointed with the scroll buttons on my 568.

A record button would be handy, but I don't use the record feature as much as some people.

A flip cover would be nice, but I don't think really essential. Both of my Jornadas had flip covers, but were always removed and replaced by a case with a flip cover. As much as the screen needs protection, the rest of the device needs protection as well. I'd get a flip case for any new device I buy, whether or not it comes with an OEM flip cover for the screen.

Skoobouy

10-01-2003, 08:31 PM

I've been told that it's good to map the Record button to "scroll down," so you might try that.

Boxster S

10-01-2003, 09:15 PM

When will it be released damnit!! :) I will kick my 2215 + DCF-660W sooooooooo hard to the curb for this thing :D

stonepro

10-01-2003, 09:37 PM

AHHH -- I can't help myself -- I have to ask!

so, forget the cost diff, 5555 or 4150???

5555 = 128mb, 3.8 screen
4150 = size is sooooooo sweet...

(and I heard that the 5555 runs slower than my 2215...?)

one last note... my 2215 is making a ringing sound (high pitch squeel) -- so I'll return it to CompUSA and get:

a) 2215
b) 5555
c) live with the ringing until the 4150

Any suggestions?

powder2000

10-02-2003, 12:35 AM

I like the overall design, but dislike the d-pad. Why couldn't they leave it the same as the current 1900 series? Just my 2 cents.

Stephen Beesley

10-02-2003, 08:40 AM

I'm sooooo disappointed to be right about the lack of a sliding keyboard on the 4300 series.
The actual implementation has a very "glued on the bottom" look...it gives it a bad case of 5 o'clock shadow.

I have to agree, after looking at the Sharp PDAs I just have to have a sliding thumboard.

calocalo

10-02-2003, 02:56 PM

Did I miss something? No mention of NEVO universal remote app in the user manual. Except for size and looks, there's nothing to entice me away from my 2215 with CF wiFi card.

vovillamor

10-02-2003, 03:20 PM

...Except for size and looks, there's nothing to entice me away from my 2215 with CF wiFi card.

Wouldn't you find it convenient to NOT have to plug in a Wi-Fi card everytime you want to access a WLAN? Wouldn't it be convenient to NOT have to carry around a Wi-Fi card at all? This would definitely make it more convenient, but probably not very cost effective to people who just recently bought a 2215.

As much as I like my WLAN, I think I'd use it a lot more if I didn't have to pull out my CF 256Mb card and plug in my CF Wi-Fi card. Then again, I only have one CF slot. With the 4415, I'd still only have 1 card slot, but I wouldn't have to worry about swapping a memory card and wi-fi card in it. Plus, I'd much rather carry around extra SD memory cards instead of CF memory cards.

calocalo

10-02-2003, 08:15 PM

You're right. If CF is only for Wifi, pay the extra $50 to have it built into a nicer body (IMHO the curves of the 4150 are nicer then the 2215). Unfortunately I need the CF slot for mem modules as well (thats what my camera uses).

Plus, there are more expansion possibilities currently for CF (CF-to-PCCard, CF Radio, CF Camera, CF GPS, CF Modem, CF can openner). Not that I have the cash to buy these....

Wish there were dual slots in a 4150 body.

JonnoB

10-02-2003, 08:24 PM

Wouldn't you find it convenient to NOT have to plug in a Wi-Fi card everytime you want to access a WLAN? Wouldn't it be convenient to NOT have to carry around a Wi-Fi card at all? This would definitely make it more convenient, but probably not very cost effective to people who just recently bought a 2215.

I use WiFi all the time, but I also use my CF slot for GPS device, 10/100 LAN card, modem, and 1GB CF memory. I want dual wireless (BT/WiFi) integrated, but not at the cost of losing the flexibility of a CF slot to give me that wireless or access to other peripherals.

vovillamor

10-02-2003, 08:26 PM

You're right. If CF is only for Wifi, pay the extra $50 to have it built in a nicer body (IMHO the curves of the 4155 are nicer then the 2215). Unfortunately I need the CF slot for mem modules as well (thats what my camera uses). Wish there were dual slots in the 4155 body.

We can keep wishing for Wi-Fi to be added to a 2200 series device. I don't have a preference between the 2200 or 4100 series bodies, but I agree with you about the use of the CF card.

My current digi-cam uses MMC cards, so both the 2200 and 4100 series would be digi-cam friendly for me. However, I am looking at getting a better digi-cam, and a digi-cam with a PocketPC-friendly memory card format will play a big part in my decision. The good thing about having a (Type II) CF slot is that there are adapters I've seem that will let you use other memory cards (SD, MMC, Smart Media, and even Smart Stick) in your CF slot. I was planning on getting one of these adapters and using it in a 2215's CF slot to read my digi-cam cards (whatever the format). That's the reason I'm still considering a 2215...and still hoping for a 2200 series device to include Wi-Fi.

calocalo

10-02-2003, 08:36 PM

We can keep wishing for Wi-Fi to be added to a 2200 series device.

Or hope for a low profile CF WiFi card that won't stick out the top of the unit. This way we have a removable WiFi that can be swapped when the next best WiFi standard comes out.

Or a CF-to-USB Host, or CF-to-Firewire, or CF TV tuner....

Jonathan1

10-02-2003, 09:29 PM

If nothing else I really hope they clear up the screen issue that is in the 1940's. This has been the ONLY reason keeping me from going out and buying one. I guess its somewhat worthwhile that I did wait. Now I can get WIFI and BT in a small package. W00T!
My only other concern is this is only a 1000 mAh battery. I have to imagine WIFI on this thing is going to be horrid. :?: Maybe an extended batt pack?