Toshiba e800: A First Look?

[Jason Dunn]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pocketpctools.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=573' target='_blank'>http://www.pocketpctools.com/module...viewtopic&t=573</a><br /><br /></div>Barry over at Pocket PC Tools was sent a Toshiba Powerpoint presentation, and he was kind enough to post it on his Web site for everyone to see. Thanks Barry! :D This is all just rumours at this point, but everything here seems possible, but I'm floored by the mention of VGA resolution...did Toshiba come up with a way to do pixel doubling? 8O No photos, just a low-res rendering. Go check out the site for more images and data.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/front-sm_1.jpg" /> <br /><br />• 4" Screen <br />• VGA Resolution (480x640), switchable to 240x320 <br />• 128MB RAM &amp; 32 MB NAND <br />• 72 Hour Data Protection <br />• Bluetooth or WiFi <br />• CF-II Slot <br />• SD I/O Slot <br />• USB Host connector <br />• VGA Output <br />• Slimmer (135x77x16.7mm) <br />• 30% Bigger Battery <br />• USB/Serial Client <br />• 4-Ring Headset

[SandersP]

woot woot??? VGA resolution????

[JonnoB]

:clap:

Add a flip-cover, improve customer service, and change the statement "Bluetooth or WiFi" to "Bluetooth and WiFi" and this is my next device.. :wink:

[szamot]

include a phone option and we are talking serious web browsing and just about everthing else. :D

[PJE]

:clap:
Add a flip-cover, improve customer service, and change the statement "Bluetooth or WiFi" to "Bluetooth and WiFi" and this is my next device.. :wink:

...and landscape|portrait switching without a soft reset... :wink:

[upplepop]

Maybe this will win back some of the customers Toshiba lost with the whole WM2003 upgrade issue. (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15346)

[SandersP]

But I must say that button arrangement is ...uhmm..not gamer friendly.
And I hope Toshiba clear up their display driver issue, they seem to always have the slowest graphic.

[Duncan]

...and szamot and JonnoB hit the nail on the head...

Why do we have to give some features up in order to gain others again and again...

IF this is genuine then it is a missed opportunity by not having the bulit-in tri-wireless that should be the future...

Still - I hope it is faked - not because I don't want the features - I just don't want it to be Toshiba that offers them...

[stevew]

yuck, it sure is ugly. :roll:

[powder2000]

Looks cool to me. Man if I didn't have to read about so many angry customers I might be more excited. I have always liked toshiba's designs on their ppcs, not to exclude this one. They seem to overprice things compared to the rest of the ppc crop though, we'll have to see what they price this baby at. :lol:

[manywhere]

Cool! 8)

Only the D-pad and the app buttons is like nails on a chalkboard IMHO. The PPC generally looks nice but then the boxy-ness of the buttons destroys the potential of it being beautiful... :pukeface2:

[David Prahl]

Looks like a cross between a Zire 71 and the Hitachi G1000.

You get what you pay for, and this one WON'T be cheap! :)

Except for the VGA part, it's like an Axim X7.

[dh]

Depending on the price this might be my next device.

I'm not concerned about the lack of upgrades because that is the case with my Dell Axim as well. At least Toshiba were honest about not providing upgrades and didn't pretend like Dell.

[David C]

include a phone option and we are talking serious web browsing and just about everthing else. :D

I second that.

Seriously, I don't get it. Why don't more PDAs put speaker on top and mic on the bottom like the ipaq 5000? What's was the point of toshiba coming out with a CDMA PDA, the 2032, that functions as a phone, but you can't talk out of it?

[TomB]

I was chuckling to myself. People have been screaming for months about how terrible Toshiba is and then - everyone here is ready to kill for the latest Toshiba PDA. :) Sorry but with the customer support issues, Toshiba is last on my PDA list. ALSO, this is about the size of a naked 3650 iPaq with about the same size screen. Sorry but after the H1910 I will never be able to go back to a "brick" again. In fact, I dragged out both PDAs before I wrote this and even without the sleeve, I marvel at the size difference.

Now here is a critical note. The larger resolution will be good for static uses like web page display and easier to read ebooks. BUT unless they have a dedicated decode chip, all video uses will be 320 x 240. Even with a 400MHz XScale chip I'm not sure you would be able to even hit 12fps. That means if you watch a lot of video or play a lot of games you are probably wasting your money...

[The Yaz]

Why is it that Toshiba puts the pda's that push the norm in the Genio line? Their 3?? and 7?? series are nothing more than glorified bricks, but with the Genio (and before that the Maestro) you had 4" screens, built in cameras, extended batteries and usb hosting.

Maybe if they could bring their company energies under one line they could spend the time improving their product quality and their customer service.

Steve 8)

[JonnoB]

Why is it that Toshiba puts the pda's that push the norm in the Genio line? Their 3?? and 7?? series are nothing more than glorified bricks, but with the Genio (and before that the Maestro) you had 4" screens, built in cameras, extended batteries and usb hosting.

Maybe if they could bring their company energies under one line they could spend the time improving their product quality and their customer service.

Steve 8)

Toshiba America, Europe, Japan are all seperate entities. In fact, when the Genio was brought to CompUSA through a direct deal to Japan, Toshiba America was a bit miffed. Each entity is responsible for its own line of products and I believe that the American operation is actually a consumer of the products from Japan. Also note that the two lines of PDAs were designed in seperate areas of the company. I agree however, they should get their act together and enjoy the common synnergies and bring to market the best Pocket PC... that is, after they fix up their terrible support/service.

[SandersP]

I've heard Toshiba has two competing design teams. The genio (the expensive one) is Japanese group, and the magnesium E3/7 (the butt ugly but cheap one) are US team.

I wish they get their act together and combine the best of both teams, cheap, great spec, and provide good upgrade.

instead of now, cheap craps or high price exotic oddballs.

[huangzhinong]

I don't know what you guys are thinking about. I am really excited about this prototype, if it's true. VGA? you guys know what's meaning. A breakthrough, a really break through in PPC. what a shame for fours years 240*320 in PPC community.

[Tierran]

This is very good news indeed, regardless of what some people may say about Toshiba still. They have released the ROM that everyone wanted and though we never got WM2k3, customer service itself has always been top notch from them. I would seriously consider my next PDA to be from Toshiba if it has features like this as I can't stand the high end iPaqs and that's the only ones that will give me the features I want.

[JonathanWardRogers]

I was under the impression that the 320X240 resolution was a requirement of the Pocket PC platform. Is this not the case?

[Paul]

Can't wait to see how they'll implement vga res. It better not just be in one app that they bundle with the pda...

[sponge]

I think the specs were loosened, possibly enough for Toshiba to get it into a PPC.

By the way, is it officially called a PocketPC? That may be the difference that allows them to do this.

[huangzhinong]

After a short time excitment, I realized the VGA display may not be true.

From Toshiba Japan website, All genio 4 inch LCD is 640*480 CAPABLE. In other words, Toshiba decrease the LCD resolution to fix PPC locked resolution. I guess it is same here, the author of this news may not really understand the powerpoint presentation.

As we know, PPC2003 is hardcoded to 240*320(you can check it using the JSLANSCAPE, the virtual keyboard will keep 240*320 no matter you change the resolution to 1024*768). So the only way to changing the resolution to 480*640 is doubling pixal, which will not increase any content for PPC but wasting money, battery and CPU. I doubt Toshiba will choose that, except that they know PPC2004 will be higher resolution.

[Jonathan1]

I’m more then a little curious how they would get apps designed around the lower res to work on a VGA screen. I though it was difficult if not impossible with all the yelling and hollering that went on about it prior to PPC 2003’s release. Maybe they have some sort of special video mode that can be toggled?

Still this is way cool. :shocked!: :werenotworthy: :clap:

[jnunn]

VGA resolution, at last. Yes, yes, yes. Wordprocessing and spreadsheet people everywhere rejoice.

[Bruno Figueiredo]

I just saw a new mobile phone from samsung with a clamshell design that had integrated tv. How come this never arrives at the PPC world? If they can cram it on a phone why not on a PDA?

Also, I just read that this Toshiba has an ATI Graphics Chip, so gammers: rejoice!

[donkthemagicllama]

Is anyone else under the impression that when they said 4" VGA, they didn't mean 640x480? Maybe they just used VGA as shorthand for screen or something... or perhaps they meant as huangzhinong mentioned that the screen is capable of VGA.

Also, apparently the leaked specs prior to this for the e805 said 320x240... and a 300MHz processor.

Something doesn't add up here.

I wouldn't get my hopes up until they release some official specs.

[Jason Dunn]

I’m more then a little curious how they would get apps designed around the lower res to work on a VGA screen. I though it was difficult if not impossible with all the yelling and hollering that went on about it prior to PPC 2003’s release. Maybe they have some sort of special video mode that can be toggled?

I'm also curious, and more than a little skeptical. :worried: It might be possible for them to write a driver that sits between the hardware and the OS layer and does pixel doubling, similar to the hack that Sony did in 2001/2002 to enable the 320 x 320 resolution. I won't be convinced that the Pocket PC has broken the 320 x 240 barrier until I see it with my own eyes.

[Jason Dunn]

Is anyone else under the impression that when they said 4" VGA, they didn't mean 640x480?

It's hard to tell - the information is pretty fragemented. It does seem likely that their 4" screen is VGA capable, and that's the native resolution of the screen, but they're doing some sort of downsampling to 320 x 240 - which would royally suck. :evil:

Anyway, it's back to being a waiting game. :roll:

[Duncan]

It does seem likely that their 4" screen is VGA capable, and that's the native resolution of the screen, but they're doing some sort of downsampling to 320 x 240 - which would royally suck.

Except that it would open up possibilities for a 'Magneto' upgrade (though the number of 'ifs' and 'buts' in this thread grows by the minute...

[paris]

Except that it would open up possibilities for a 'Magneto' upgrade (though the number of 'ifs' and 'buts' in this thread grows by the minute...

exactly my thoughts

[TomB]

Bruno, the information on ATI would make this work. HOWEVER ATI has been part of the Toshiba PDAs for a while and originally screwed everything up because of the way it was integreted. As I recall from the PocketTV team, it actually got in the way and slowed framerates up by creating a bottleneck. I can't think of the exact topic, but a search on PocketTV at Brighthand about May '02 should turn up details.

[jnunn]

Regardless of the means or the actuality of achieving VGA resolution on the new Toshiba, this develop raises my optimism that VGA resolution will be rolled out in 2004 as a part of the OS. A major vendor striving for VGA carries a lot more weight than scattered users crying for it. I am sure that MS marketing people have been clamoring for VGA as well.

[gorkon280]

If this is true, Toshiba may be illuding to something that we don't really know. How do we know that the screens on the iPaq 5555 and other PPC's are not VGA capable as well? I bet that if the next WM version does let this happen, it's switchable and will run on any of the current crop of PDA's. Whether updates happen will be dependent on the manufacturer and I bet Toshiba won't support this one either! ;) No Toshiba, no more, no way. It will be a long damn time before I buy another Toshiba.

[TomB]

gorkon280 the controllers for the LCDs are part of the LCD so QVGA is QVGA. As noted before, it is also physically impossible for ANY video app to operate at any reasonable framerate without outside help when they have to shift four times as many pixels as they do now...

[Gremmie]

...and szamot and JonnoB hit the nail on the head...

Why do we have to give some features up in order to gain others again and again...

IF this is genuine then it is a missed opportunity by not having the bulit-in tri-wireless that should be the future...

Still - I hope it is faked - not because I don't want the features - I just don't want it to be Toshiba that offers them...

If the PDA had all the features that everyone wanted then it'd be terribly thick. Also, keep this in mind, if they produce an $800 PDA only 2 people might buy it (not realistic, but good for example purposes). But if they produce a $500 PDA, 5 people might purchase it. Therefore, it's $1600 of revenue versus $2500 of revenue. It all depends on the market demand and elasticities.

[easylife]

All I have to say is quit your whining about Toshiba! :evil: Toshiba makes excellent quality products at affordable prices. Lest we forget who started the Pocket PC price war with a Toshiba e310 debuting at $399? Or perhaps the first XScale Pocket PC? I was so satisfied with Toshiba that I bought a Toshiba DVD player and eventually a laptop! :D I think it's great that Toshiba is showing innovation once again and if I had some spare money I would consider getting this PPC! :wink:

[maximus]

Bruno, the information on ATI would make this work. HOWEVER ATI has been part of the Toshiba PDAs for a while and originally screwed everything up because of the way it was integreted.

ATI has been on my blacklist for quite sometimes now. I have several broken video cards, all of them are using ATI's chipset. All NVIDIA based video card are still working. I still have an NVIDIA NV5 with 4 megs of RAM running on the email PC on my parents' house.

And lately, all the ruckus between ATI and Valve (the maker of halflife games), made me steer clear of all ATI's product. I mean, competition is healty, but gagging up game makers to ensure that their games are running better on ATI cards (by crippling NVIDIA's DX9-specific codes on that game) is not the way to do it.

Looking forward to the day AMD and NVIDIA decide to enter the PPC market. Imagine a device with 4" display, 600mhz AMD processor, NVIDIA mobility 3D card, and audiovox GPRS module in it.

[maximus]

I think it's great that Toshiba is showing innovation once again and if I had some spare money I would consider getting this PPC! :wink:

Mee too ! But I will wait until it is loaded with magneto, not before that :wink:

Seriously, I don't get it. Why don't more PDAs put speaker on top and mic on the bottom like the ipaq 5000?

Voice notes. You would like to be able to record other people's conversation, while still being able to adjust the volume, make text notes, etc.

[Sven Johannsen]

Speaking of recording. Anybody notice the minor mention of four ring headphone jack? That says stereo out and mic to me. Could this be the first PPC with a mic jack outside of a PPCPE (which you can't use for recorder IIRC).

[easylife]

Speaking of recording. Anybody notice the minor mention of four ring headphone jack? That says stereo out and mic to me. Could this be the first PPC with a mic jack outside of a PPCPE (which you can't use for recorder IIRC).
The headphones jack on the 5x5x iPaq series doubled as a mic jack. :wink:

[beq]

OMG I'm in love! :ppclove:

Hey good call about the 4-ring jack, thus including stereo line-in/mic, nice. I wish the 4-ring jack is a universal standard, whether 3.5mm or 2.5mm (but should just be one size). Then we can stick in whatever we need for the moment (regular stereo headphone, mono headset, stereo headset, etc)...

[Jonathan1]

Regardless of the means or the actuality of achieving VGA resolution on the new Toshiba, this develop raises my optimism that VGA resolution will be rolled out in 2004 as a part of the OS. A major vendor striving for VGA carries a lot more weight than scattered users crying for it. I am sure that MS marketing people have been clamoring for VGA as well.


Also don't forget that at heart all companies are copycats ;) If Toshiba sells a VGA PPC and it sells like hotcakes you can bet that Dell, HP won't be far behind and after that MS will follow. :rock on dude!:

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Also don't forget that at heart all companies are copycats ;) If Toshiba sells a VGA PPC and it sells like hotcakes you can bet that Dell, HP won't be far behind and after that MS will follow. :rock on dude!:
My thoughts exactly... I can't believe some people are whining about the "brick-size" if this is in fact capable of VGA resolutions. I'm not crazy about Toshiba's track record with regards to support, but you can sure bet the Dells and HPs of the world will be watching very closely at how well-received such a new device is.

I just have to say also, even without the VGA resolution, I salivating at that screensize. I love my HP2215, but what I miss most about my iPaq3870 is the larger screen-size. I was, at one time, extremely tempted by the Genio e550, if for no other reason, it's 4" screen.

[Stake]

Well, I for one will tell everyone that I'm still stung by the e550G last year. The complete lack of support for their devices is telling me not to get another Toshiba PPC again. They had some innovative features in a small enough package but in the end, accessories and customer service rings louder than features. I think that's why HP is doing so well with their iPaq line especially the 1900 and the 2200 series. Dust issues and just lack of support failed the e500G in the public eye.

If there was a visiable effort to retain and keep their customers, I may consider going back but, at this point, my next PPC will be an HP or another. If ever decide on releasing their prototype expanding keyboard PPC in that well known flash video, I'd be the first to order it!

I think you have to take Toshiba e800 series with a grain of salt because there's a chance that it'll hurt you more than make you happy.

I also agree with the "why either BT or WiFi" argument. Why not both? HP did it. Do I dare say that I could consider losing the CF slot and put 2 SDIO slots instead if space was the issue?

The screen is of interest because 640x480 is just beautiful, at least on Sharp's implementation on their latest Zaurus. A co-worker just got one the other day and man, does that screen just scream beauty! It's got a landscape/portrait option and the extra res on that makes browsing the web a dream with NetFront!

And for the record, I'd like to see Sony attempt a PPC with a no holds bared approach and see what they come out with.

[seidler]

Erm .. this is just a reminder that your normal PC could run a 320x240 resolution as well :wink:

What I want to say: we should be happy about the VGA res, even if the initial use of it will be to double the pixels in order to be PocketPC standards compliant. More and more applications will make use of higher resolutions, and maybe Toshiba has somehow found a way that this can be even done transparently (imagine a ClearType version which knows how to acess the raw pixels and avoid the doubling :way to go:)

I think it's cool, and a step in the right direction :scatter:

0X Stefan

[maximus]

Do I dare say that I could consider losing the CF slot and put 2 SDIO slots instead if space was the issue?

An interesting idea indeed. But where should I plug my GPRS CF card ? or my CF to PCMCIA adapter for my 5G HDD ? Where will I put those 12 full-length divx movies that took countless hours to convert ? Even if GPRS SD card and SD to PCMCIA adapter exist, switching to SD peripherals is very painful to people (like myself) who owns a lot of CF peripherals.

To me, the lack of CF slot is a show-stopper. I will not buy anything that does not come with an integrated CF slot.

[Timothy Rapson]

These exact same stories floated around when the first 4 inch screened Genio was being readied for sale.

The bottom line here is that the "VGA capable" means that you can hook it up to a VGA desktop monitor for PowerPoint type shows. But only with the right cable and extra software. There is no way that HP would let Toshiba ship a PPC with VGA on it's own screen before HP did. No way. If true VGA were coming, we would have seen it in Windows Mobile 2003. As is is there is not even native OS screen rotation.

So, hacks to get it to output VGA to a desktop or not, we will wait for Magneto before we see WM do real VGA.

Of course, if this does ship with a real VGA screen you could wait for the Magneto upgrade from Toshiba next year. Just like you can wait for the WM 2003 upgrade for your Toshiba this year. And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait.

[picard]

Looking forward to the day AMD and NVIDIA decide to enter the PPC market.

NVIDIA already entered: http://www.mediaq.com/newsroom/release.asp?prkey=85

i can't imagine who could an old chip like ATI Imageon 100 handle such a big resolution efficiently (new ATI Imageon 3200 has a max. res. of 320x480)...

[Will T Smith]

The true constraint for a VGA PDA is not really the display hardware, it's the LCD.

Sony produces all these cool transflective displays and reserves first dibs on hardware for itself. To my knowledge, the largest Palm Display isn't the 640x480 VGA spec but rather an intermediate 320x480.

160x160 Palm
240x320 PocketPC
320x320 Clie
320x480 Newer Clie

There is at least one WinCE device using the 320x480 screen in a palm form-factor. A 320x480 PocketPC would require a standards shift from Microsoft. It's a tough argument for Microsoft to make this shift. For Palm upping their resolutions was easy, their resolution truly SUCKED!!!!!

For PocketPC, the resolution is very acceptable. It is also a cornerstone of all their application base. If Microsoft does go to a higher resolution, I would suspect it would be a "premium" brand of PocketPC (PocketPC HD???). There is no compelling motivation to abandon 240x320 as it's totally satisfactory for MOST of PocketPC users.

640x480 may be overkill in such a small screen. Remember, this is the resolution that satifactorily graced 12" monitors for a long period of time. A 4" screen probably doesn't capture the potential for this format. Such a resolution would be more complimentary to an 8" eBook device.

That's not saying that 320x480 is the maximum resolution for a 3.5" to 4" screen. I'm just saying that this is not an ideal "first application" for such a form-factor. Your burning a lot of money (LCD, Graphics accelerator, updated software) on a format that really can't effectivley utilize it.

One can display 1600x1200 on a modern 15" CRT monitor. However, there is little point. It just squishes everything down into a really sharp image that you can't distinguish (it's too small). You can boost the default "dot size" of fonts but that starts causing wacky problems like text not fitting where it's supposed to.

Having said that 640x480 in 4" is like 1600x1200 in 15". Hopefully Microsoft will endorse 320x480 sometime soon in PocketPC (HD). But I wouldn't expect VGA in 4" for a VERY long time.

[Duncan]

But I wouldn't expect VGA in 4" for a VERY long time.

Putting to one side the fact that there *are* valid reasons to have 640x480 in a 4" screen - there are to my knowledge at least three PDA type units offering VGA currently in that small a screen - including the BSquare reference unit that runs CE.net and the Sharp Zaurus.

In the end Palm upped their resolution by simply doubling the pixel count both ways - with the other 320x120 of screen able to use Virtual Grafitti to make things easier on programmers. How is it going to be harder for MS to implement 640x480 - which is just another case of pixel doubling? Especially as Palm had to change the underlying OS to get 320x320 - for MS the underlying OS (CE.net) is already capable of running at 640x480...

Having said that 640x480 in 4" is like 1600x1200 in 15".

No it isn't. Typically the distances we keep our eyes from screens is in the ratio: 1:2:4 for PDA:laptop:CRT monitor.

[easylife]

Having said that 640x480 in 4" is like 1600x1200 in 15".

No it isn't. Typically the distances we keep our eyes from screens is in the ratio: 1:2:4 for PDA:laptop:CRT monitor.

Mathematically speaking, it's more like 2400x1800 in 15"! 8O

(640)^2 + (480)^2 = (800)^2 - Pythagorean Theorem
(800 pixels)/4" = 200 pixels per diagonal inch
(200 pixels/inch)*15 inches = 3000 diagonal pixels
Screen resolutions are in a 3-4-5 pattern, so
3000*(4/5) = 2400 pixels
3000*(3/5) = 1800 pixels

So, mathematically speaking, it's like a 2400x1800 screen in 15"! 8O

[Janak Parekh]

I don't see a problem with that. It doesn't mean it'll be unreadable, if you use sufficiently high-resolution fonts. As Jason has said before, a resolution-independent graphics system will be key to supporting higher-resolution handheld and desktop screens in the long run. We've been tied to stupid pixel/point-based systems on desktops for far too long, and indeed, OS X is starting to eschew that with PDF-based rendering (Quartz), although we need to go further yet.

In the meantime, using higher-dpi fonts will work and work very well -- the text will look printed :)

--janak

[Duncan]

Mathematically speaking, it's more like 2400x1800 in 15"!

No. Up to a point we can tolerate more pixels ina smaller area the closer we are used to holding the screen.

My CRT monitor has about the same screen size as my laptop. The monitor is only really comfortable at 1024x768. The laptop is very comfortable at its normal resolution of 1400x1050.

Allowing for a rough extrapolation of a 3.75" screen on a PDA 640x480 would be the equivalent of 2560x1920 BUT if we hold PDAs twice as close we can easily tolerate the equivalent of less than double the pixel density along each axis compared to the laptop (indeed I have found 1600x1200 to be pretty comfortable, in the same size screen as my laptop, in the past).

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

If not 640x480, I'd at least love to see PPC screens reach 480x320. I really like the 4" screens on the Toshiba e550, though as many have noted, the display starts to look pixelated at 320x240, so with a screen that size, there's definitely room for improvement.

Now, on a 3.5" screen like the one on my 2215, I can see the argument (somewhat) that 640x480 could be overkill.

[JonathanWardRogers]

There is no compelling motivation to abandon 240x320 as it's totally satisfactory for MOST of PocketPC users.
If that were the case, software such as JS Landscape would not enjoy the success they have.

Your burning a lot of money (LCD, Graphics accelerator, updated software) on a format that really can't effectivley utilize it.
Just because you think it is too small does not mean anyone else agrees. That's like Palm trying to convince users that PDAs don't need those extra features. PDA buyers proved them wrong. You don't tell a consumer what they want. They tell you, using their wallets.

One can display 1600x1200 on a modern 15" CRT monitor. However, there is little point. It just squishes everything down into a really sharp image that you can't distinguish (it's too small). You can boost the default "dot size" of fonts but that starts causing wacky problems like text not fitting where it's supposed to.
I, and many people I know, run the highest resolution possible on my monitor, regardless of it's size. It's too small for you, not too small.

Having said that 640x480 in 4" is like 1600x1200 in 15". Hopefully Microsoft will endorse 320x480 sometime soon in PocketPC (HD). But I wouldn't expect VGA in 4" for a VERY long time.
If consumers want it, it will happen. I think the success of higher res PDAs is a good indication that consumers want it.

[Stephen Beesley]

Getting away from the screen size resolution issue for a moment. I just checked out the pictures on the FCC site and do you know what - I think I am beginning to like it!

Goldtee

[JimB33]

http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/268123