First Dell Axim X3 Information Leaked [Archive]

Jason Dunn

09-01-2003, 10:00 PM

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=6271' target='_blank'>http://www.pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=6271</a> </div>The Polish site PDAClub has the first-even Axim X3 information (that I've seen at least). Here's what you really want to see - what it might look like: <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/axim_x3_prototype.jpg" /> Sorry the image is so big - but I figured this was big news. I can't find a Polish to English translator, but if I hand-pick through the text, I get this: • Intel PXA263 CPU • Consumer IR (possibly?) • SDIO Now! support • 3.5" transflective screen • Possibly Bluetooth OR WiFi? (doesn't look like both) • 300 Mhz speed for the entry-level model, and 400 Mhz for the advanced model • 117mm x 76mm x 14.8mm, 150 grams • 64 MB RAM, 64 MB NOR Flash ROM • 950 mAH battery If any of you can read Polish, by all means, please translate the article and comments for us - I sense I'm missing a few important pieces. :-)

petvas

09-01-2003, 10:04 PM

I noticed that most new devices will have the PXA263 CPU. Does anybody know the difference from the PXA255?

The X3 looks as it will be nothing special...

sfjlittel

09-01-2003, 10:11 PM

It looks like a photoshop job. Just hope it isn´t...

GoldKey

09-01-2003, 10:16 PM

If this has consumer IR and wifi at the $150 price point, I would buy this to use as a universal remote that just happens to have internet access. Notice the music button on the right side.

SandersP

09-01-2003, 10:20 PM

I noticed that most new devices will have the PXA263 CPU. Does anybody know the difference from the PXA255?

The X3 looks as it will be nothing special...
263 is basically 255 with 32MB flash integrated inside the chip packaging. It has some few extra IO command and minor goodies, but that's about it.

The integrated Flash packaging is the key point, it reduces price and chip counts, and overall motherboard size.

Kiyoshi

09-01-2003, 10:46 PM

Yeah I have to agree that the image doesn't look like much of a photo.....more of a computer render.....like what you would make in Adobe Photoshop, just like sfjlittel said.

acronym

09-01-2003, 10:50 PM

I certainly hope there is more than just 64meg of memory. The music button is practically useless if thats all the space you get. Given the processor is practically the same as the 255 - screen size is the same - the memory is the same - form factor is considerbly smaller - but no cf slot other than the fact that it might have wifi or bluetooth, you'll need the sdio slot to have both - what is the compelling reason to upgrade?

Given the color scheme, it looks more like a HP consumer model than something Dell put out (although I think their current consumer line of small notebooks are dark grey and blue). If thats the case, it is aimed more at the dimension/inspiron customer rather than the optiplex/latitude business models. Which should put the pricing below the current Axim line.

Jonathon Watkins

09-01-2003, 10:55 PM

Interesting picture. I agree with Goldkey that the music key is something to watch out for. Nice to potentially see something a bit different, even if I'm not sure about that joypad.

MacBirdie

09-01-2003, 10:57 PM

It's NOT a photo. That image was in the document I got with the X3 info. It's some kind of a prototype vector image so it's possible it's far from the final product.

Yes, Jason is right: it's supposed to have Consumer IR, SDIO port.
Besides: improved microphone from the X5 series, probably both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi but that's to be determined. The Advanced model is supposed to have 64MB of RAM and 64MB of NOR ROM, Basic one - 32 of both.
There will be some sort of expansion pack clip on back of the device.
The Advanced model will have a USB cradle, Basic one just a sync cable.
It's still not clear whether this will be the X3 model since it looks a little bit too feature-packed but hey, I just wrote what I got. :)

Good job with the rest of the info, Jason. :)

Best regards,
Maciej Rutkowski :: MacBirdie
PDAclub.pl

kidA

09-01-2003, 10:58 PM

If this has consumer IR and wifi at the $150 price point, I would buy this to use as a universal remote that just happens to have internet access. Notice the music button on the right side.
if we see a device with a high res screen, SDIO, a fast processor, 64 MB RAM and WIFI all in one case costing less that $250 within the next year and a half, i'll crap a golden brick. dell would definitely be the one to do it, but a device like that would be just like the e750 (which costs are $500 new) just without the CF slot. so don't count on it. especially not in a small FF.

GoldKey

09-01-2003, 10:58 PM

I certainly hope there is more than just 64meg of memory. The music button is practically useless if thats all the space you get. Given the processor is practically the same as the 255 - screen size is the same - the memory is the same - form factor is considerbly smaller - but no cf slot other than the fact that it might have wifi or bluetooth, you'll need the sdio slot to have both - what is the compelling reason to upgrade?

It is not an upgrade. This is to go after the really low end of the market. If this comes in at $150 as originally projected, it would kick Zire's butt. Also, it has 128 mb memory 64 ram 64 rom. Add an SD memory card and it is a nice MP3 player.

As I said earlier though, at that price point, if it has Wifi and consumer IR, it could pick up market share even as a single use device for a remote. I would buy it just to leave in the living room as a TV remote.

GoldKey

09-01-2003, 11:01 PM

if we see a device with a high res screen, SDIO, a fast processor, 64 MB RAM and WIFI all in one case costing less that $250 within the next year and a half, i'll crap a golden brick. dell would definitely be the one to do it, but a device like that would be just like the e750 (which costs are $500 new) just without the CF slot. so don't count on it. especially not in a small FF.

I think it is entirly reasonable considering the X5 -basic came out nearly a year ago for $199.

hotweiss

09-01-2003, 11:12 PM

I speak Polish, so-I'll translate the most important points for you:

-most likely released in December (Poland)
-Intel PXA 263 processor
-long range IR
-SDIO NOW!
-built-in WiFi and Bluetooth
-3.5" transflective display
-a removable 950 mAH battery
-their will be 2 models: entry and advanced
-the advanced model will have 64MB RAM and 64MB ROM plus a cradle
-the entry level model will have less ram and a USB cable
-117 x 76 x 14,8 mm
-150 grams

MacBirdie

09-01-2003, 11:39 PM

I almost forgot - from the information I got recently (that story was written in late June), the X3 might appear on store shelves in September or October already. But that's more unofficial than the X3 specs above. ;)

MacBirdie
PDAclub.pl

spursdude

09-02-2003, 01:21 AM

I certainly hope there is more than just 64meg of memory. The music button is practically useless if thats all the space you get. Given the processor is practically the same as the 255 - screen size is the same - the memory is the same - form factor is considerbly smaller - but no cf slot other than the fact that it might have wifi or bluetooth, you'll need the sdio slot to have both - what is the compelling reason to upgrade?
Like Goldkey said, this isn't going after the power user market of people who need Bluetooth AND WiFi. People like that are probably willing to spend more than $150 and get a different, more powerful model. Compare it to any of the other "low end" devices like the iPaq 1945 or Zire - neither of those could have WiFi, Bluetooth, and added memory at the same time.... (until those WiFi/memory combined units come out... :drool: )

maximus

09-02-2003, 01:32 AM

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/axim_x3_prototype.jpg

What is the protruding item on the upper-left section of the PPC (upper-right on picture), just beside the stylus ? An antenna ?

maximus

09-02-2003, 01:37 AM

It is not an upgrade. This is to go after the really low end of the market. If this comes in at $150 as originally projected, it would kick Zire's butt. Also, it has 128 mb memory 64 ram 64 rom. Add an SD memory card and it is a nice MP3 player.

Totally agreed. An MP3 player/universal remote at $150, 150 grams. Awesome. Everything else (contact, calendar, appointment, PIE, etc.) are just added bonus.

mangochutneyman

09-02-2003, 01:40 AM

GoldKey

09-02-2003, 01:40 AM

What is the protruding item on the upper-left section of the PPC (upper-right on picture), just beside the stylus ? An antenna ?

I would say yes.

Question, what does the X5 have over these other than battery life and CF slot?

othell

09-02-2003, 02:09 AM

spursdude

09-02-2003, 02:13 AM

Question, what does the X5 have over these other than battery life and CF slot?
Many extra grams and millimeters. :)

luiskim

09-02-2003, 03:20 AM

Should i wait for this one to come out or buy an ipaq2215 in 2 weeks??? i really don't know... does anyone knows about a price drop for the 2215?
and on PDAs i trust hp over dell... no reason... :devilboy:

Jason Dunn

09-02-2003, 03:38 AM

Some pretty interesting comments, but some people in the thread are missing the point. :D

First up, this device IS a big deal if it can be delivered for the $150 price point, or even $199. It's not meant to be the uber-device: that's what the rumoured X7 device will be. This is an ENTRY LEVEL device people!

Next, I know this isn't a photo - it's not supposed to be. It's a rendering, often used in the prototyping stages before final products devices are available for photos. There's no trickery here - this is why I said this is what it "might" look like. It's a rendering, not a photo.

If I could make one request to all readers at Pocket PC Thoughts, it would be to understand that even if a device doesn't fit your exact needs, that doesn't mean it should be dismissed as irrelevant or useless. Different devices for different needs at different price points. That's what wins a market!

Jason Dunn

09-02-2003, 03:50 AM

I'm just hypothesizing here, but here's what I think Dell will do...

X3 - Bluetooth version, $199
X3 - WiFi version, $199
X3 - No wireless, $149
X3 - Bluetooth + WiFi, $249
X7 - Bluetooth + WiFi + GPRS version, $349

100% pure speculation here folks, but we'll see what happens. :D

maximus

09-02-2003, 03:56 AM

Different devices for different needs at different price points. That's what wins a market!

Bravo. Well said! :werenotworthy:

X7 - Bluetooth + WiFi + GPRS version, $349

The uber device indeed. A sure buy. I would like to add a bit to your prediction:

X7 - Bluetooth + WiFi + GPRS version + uses existing X5 battery, $349

Jonathan1

09-02-2003, 04:13 AM

X3 - WiFi version, $199

X3 - Bluetooth + WiFi, $249

100% pure speculation here folks, but we'll see what happens. :D

heh. What would the battery life be on something like this? 30 minutes? Maybe if it has some sort of external batt pack but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the device wouldn't it? WIFI just seems wrong on these devices. IMHO.

Gremmie

09-02-2003, 04:33 AM

heh. What would the battery life be on something like this? 30 minutes? Maybe if it has some sort of external batt pack but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the device wouldn't it? WIFI just seems wrong on these devices. IMHO.

Well, don't forget with XScale (and subsequent optimization) that battery life will be improved. Nevertheless, it won't be the top battery life available.

klinux

09-02-2003, 04:37 AM

Very well said Jason. No thread-crapping please!

Jason Dunn

09-02-2003, 04:40 AM

heh. What would the battery life be on something like this? 30 minutes? Maybe if it has some sort of external batt pack but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the device wouldn't it? WIFI just seems wrong on these devices. IMHO.

You're right - if they have an X3 with WiFi, I really hope they put in something bigger than a 950 mAH battery. That said, the Axim X5 does amazingly well with its current battery, so perhaps Dell can make the X3 battery life more than the sum of its parts. :way to go:

PetiteFlower

09-02-2003, 05:08 AM

One thing I will NOT be worried about with a Dell is the battery life....it's never something I have to think about with my current axim and I love that!

mangochutneyman

09-02-2003, 05:32 AM

X3 - Bluetooth + WiFi, $249

Now that would definitely be a H5555 killer!

X7 - Bluetooth + WiFi + GPRS version, $349

Presuming this is true, would Dell be basing this device on the Wanda reference design?

nox

09-02-2003, 05:46 AM

X7 - Bluetooth + WiFi + GPRS version + Built in Keyboard, $349

:wink: [/quote]

OneAngryDwarf

09-02-2003, 05:53 AM

I am skeptical that this is just a hoax (obviously if it isn't, it is a vector drawing as stated previously). Did anybody notice the extremely rounded edges of the screen? Pocket PC's don't use rounded edges and this design would seriously decrease the usuable portion of that screen since its viewable area would be much smaller. Second - Why would they be making a vector drawing of the handheld? If it was for engineering or any other reason for that matter (except maybe for some type of ad), it would be created in a 3D program which would be able to create a picture almost indistinguishable from a tangible one (because it would be such a simple 3D object to create). Now it is true that you can export/convert 3D objects and even animations into workable files that Vector drawing programs can use, it just seems silly to me that they would put the effort into doing that in order to create a less realistic image of the handheld. Any thoughts?

Take1

09-02-2003, 07:07 AM

I for one think the design is fantastic in appearance (don't like the antenna, however) -- this is what the iPAQ 2200 series should have looked like IMHO. No bulbous side grips and it looks like it might have more than a record button on the left side (jog dial PLEASE). The control pad isn't the most practical looking, but it looks nice. I'd prefer something like the Tungsten T control pad (the perfect ergonomic feel IMO).

It's wait and see, but if Dell does the audio better this time around (quality like the 3800 & 3900 iPaqs) and puts a killer screen (like the 3900 or the 1900) then it's going to be a winner. Unfortunately, it'll be online only or Kiosk (none in my parts) type examination - I like to see one up close and personal.

being .58 inches, this is thinner than the 2200 iPaq!

ADBrown

09-02-2003, 07:16 AM

Second - Why would they be making a vector drawing of the handheld?

It's likely a concept image for a marketing presentation. The Axim X5 was shown in very simlar images before it's release.

MacBirdie

09-02-2003, 10:37 AM

One thing I'm afraid of - that antenna sticking out in the top-right of the device might belong to an Wi-Fi SDIO card, because the X3 document said in a few places that one of the wireless features is an option but in some other places it says both standards are built-in in some X3s. Seems it's all to be determined. May the rumours continue! :mrgreen:

Edit:
another picture from the Highly Top Secret Document:
http://www.pdaclub.pl/images/pda/axim_x3_sides.jpg

GoldKey

09-02-2003, 12:32 PM

GoldKey

09-02-2003, 12:36 PM

Edit:
another picture from the Highly Top Secret Document:
http://www.pdaclub.pl/images/pda/axim_x3_sides.jpg

Does this remind anyone of the Michael Graves designed appliances that Target sold?

david291

09-02-2003, 02:24 PM

Any mention of an optional extended battery (>3000 mAh)? Please, Dell, you must continue to offer an extended battery option on all your models!

egads

09-02-2003, 02:30 PM

The X3:
117mm x 76mm x 14.8mm, 150 grams
4.6" x 3.0" x 0.58", 5.29oz

The X5:
128mm x 81.5mm x 18mm, 196 grams
5.04" x 3.21" x 0.71", 6.9 oz

The HP 1935
1133 x 69.8 x 12.8 mm4.37, 124 grams
4.46 x 2.75 x 0.5 in, 4.37 oz

The X3 falls in between the X5 and the HP19xx. Was hoping for as small or smaller than the HP 19xx. I'm also let down by the BlueTooth and WiFI support. Axe that wirless junk and it could be a much smaller device. Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth or play music on it. They will use it for calander/phone #'s/addresses and want something that they can easily put in their pocket or purse.

Anyways, can't wait to see how much of the X3 info is real...

PPCRules

09-02-2003, 02:43 PM

At least it looks like they're using the same stylus, so I can use my spares!

I think it's a good set of specs, bound to be popular, although I'll still opt for an integrated CF slot for several more years.

I would suggest caution on the price speculation. This can be a great product, but if people have lower prices planted in their minds, they will be disappointed when it's officially announced (that's happened before here). Although with Dell, it's bound to have a rebate right out of the shute.

david291

09-02-2003, 03:02 PM

egads

09-02-2003, 03:19 PM

I'm also let down by the BlueTooth and WiFI support. Axe that wirless junk and it could be a much smaller device. Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth...You're forgetting about the business market. Sales of our software will result in dozens of unit sales per week of the X3 with WiFi.

I'm not forgetting about the business market. The X7 will be the "Business/PowerUser" device. In my mind the X3 supposed to be a cheap consumer device. Most everyday people who use PDA's could care less about viewing web pages on a dinky PDAscreen, they want to check out their calendar to see whats going on or look up a phone number. Again, this is my opinion based on what I've seen from other non-power/business PDA users.

grobin

09-02-2003, 03:47 PM

SLUG

09-02-2003, 03:51 PM

Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth or play music on it. They will use it for calander/phone #'s/addresses and want something that they can easily put in their pocket or purse.

What would be the purpose of getting a Pocket PC then? Having the specs that this X3 has would make it a great multimedia PDA. If someone wanted this just for addresses and phone numbers then I would suggest that they would actually get a Zire (I can't believe I just recommended a Palm). I would hope a Pocket PC at this price point of $149-$199 would finally bring powerful pocket computing to the masses. :fro:

egads

09-02-2003, 04:49 PM

Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth or play music on it. They will use it for calander/phone #'s/addresses and want something that they can easily put in their pocket or purse.

What would be the purpose of getting a Pocket PC then? Having the specs that this X3 has would make it a great multimedia PDA.:fro:

The purpose would be to grab market share from Palm. My wife and most people (basic users, not power users) would be better suited with a Palm than a PPC because of the size and the price. BUT if a PPC came out at $150 or less AND was small, many people who are looking to buy a Palm would consider a PPC.
Most people on this site are business/power/techno users who like the multimedia side of the PPC, but like I said in other posts, the every day average person will NEVER fire up PIE or play MP3's or video's.

PetiteFlower

09-02-2003, 06:02 PM

I don't care about "target market" or "will this be successful" or "they should do xyz if they want it to sell".....all I know is this:

If they come out with those specs, in a 400mh model, with that much memory, and Wifi, for $200, I WILL buy it. In fact it will be my dream device. If the 2215 had Wifi, I probably wouldn't have been able to resist buying it. Dual expansion would be nice, but hey if the wifi is built in I wouldn't need it as much. But based on my personal criteria of the most features for the best price, I would be DROOLING over this!

Scott R

09-02-2003, 06:15 PM

I'm beginning to have second thoughts on the authenticity of this. The latest mockup shows no slots on the top of the device. And what's that long thing on the bottom half of the side of the device? It almost looks like a side-mounted CF slot.

Scott

wnorman

09-02-2003, 06:18 PM

What bugs me is that it seems impossible to find a product with just SD and WiFi built in. Every unit with WiFi has dual slots. I'm looking to get wireless the most affordable way I can (for a consumer), but I can't get the price down any way I look at it. The X3 may be the one that solves this and makes WiFi finally affordable. The choices right now seem to be:

1. SD+CF+Built-in WiFi = Expensive
2. SD+CF+CF WiFi Card = Expensive
3. SD+SD WiFi Card = Expensive
4. SD+Built-in WiFi = X3?

If that's the case, I'll buy an X3 in a second. The nice design and small size would be a bonus.

Rok

09-02-2003, 06:38 PM

What bugs me is that it seems impossible to find a product with just SD and WiFi built in
Ummmm... HP iPAQ 5555, anyone? (But if your sole argument is price, then I guess you're right about that)

Cheers

MacBirdie

09-02-2003, 06:43 PM

The SD slot might be covered by the antenna of a possible SDIO Wi-Fi card on top of the X3 on the images. Seems we'll see how much of that info had been true in the following weeks maybe.

Foo Fighter

09-02-2003, 08:39 PM

Wishful thinking I suppose, but I wonder if that odd protrusion on the left side might perhaps be a detachable flip cover? :|

MacBirdie

09-02-2003, 08:50 PM

If there is ANY detachable cover, it better be a hard, flip up cover like in Palm m100 series. ;)

egads

09-02-2003, 09:34 PM

If there is ANY detachable cover, it better be a hard, flip up cover like in Palm m100 series. ;)

Ooooo, a detachable cover would be great !!!

Scott R

09-02-2003, 09:53 PM

If there is ANY detachable cover, it better be a hard, flip up cover like in Palm m100 series. ;)

Ooooo, a detachable cover would be great !!!
I don't think the technology is there yet, but Gates thinks it can be done within the next decade. ;)

Seriously, I don't think that a side-flip works well when you have buttons jog-dials, etc. on the side.

Scott

MacBirdie

09-02-2003, 10:13 PM

Seriously, I don't think that a side-flip works well when you have buttons jog-dials, etc. on the side.

But a flip up/back cover wouldn't be that much of a problem on the other hand. Until you get a looooong SDIO card for the X3 that is. :)

mc_03

09-02-2003, 10:58 PM

Before the X5 came out, pictures came out that were obviously very fake, like these. The final product looked slightly different, but they were good mock ups. Dell did not go into detail by showing the slots back then either, and used rounded, simple edges. This might not be too accurate, but it might be the idea, the base for the X3.

Scott R

09-02-2003, 11:00 PM

But a flip up/back cover wouldn't be that much of a problem on the other hand. Until you get a looooong SDIO card for the X3 that is. :)Oh, I agree 100%. Actually, I really like the design used on the Handspring Treos which have a flip-cover with a clear window and leaves the hard application buttons exposed. This way you can check your schedule or an alarm notification without having to flip the lid open.

Scott

Gremmie

09-02-2003, 11:49 PM

Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth or play music on it. They will use it for calander/phone #'s/addresses and want something that they can easily put in their pocket or purse.

The purpose would be to grab market share from Palm. My wife and most people (basic users, not power users) would be better suited with a Palm than a PPC because of the size and the price. BUT if a PPC came out at $150 or less AND was small, many people who are looking to buy a Palm would consider a PPC.
Most people on this site are business/power/techno users who like the multimedia side of the PPC, but like I said in other posts, the every day average person will NEVER fire up PIE or play MP3's or video's.

I see what you're getting at, but I think there is a couple of overlooked fundamentals. Of course the X3 will be targeted at the introductory market, that means the people would want a PDA with Pocket PC features at a cheap price. They would want the Pocket PC features such as music, PIE, and video's. The one reason they wouldn't use any of it is not because they don't want to (if they didn't want it, they wouldn't have bought a PPC), but because these things depend on outside accessories such as modems or flash cards, and since this is a novice user, they would likely see if they still like the concept of the PDA before they spend even more money.

This is will be a good test, cheap device with wireless built in and zero-config wireless, lets see if the novices will use it now.

mcsouth

09-02-2003, 11:50 PM

So far, nothing new on the market has convinced me to replace my Jornada 567 - where's the jog dial/rocker? The flip cover? As much as I would prefer to have a CF slot in my next device, since I already have a 512MB CF card, if the X3 had Bluetooth/Wi-Fi AND a jog dial, as it appears in the photo, that could definitely put this unit on my short list. Having said that, GPRS or even a PPC PE unit, like the upcoming MDA might do the trick. And where is the HP 4000 Series?

I sure hope someone comes out with a unit with the features I want, because my Jornada is getting tired....... :)

Scott R

09-03-2003, 12:04 AM

Most people who will buy a $150 PDA will not want WiFi/BlueTooth or play music on it. They will use it for calander/phone #'s/addresses and want something that they can easily put in their pocket or purse.Somehow I overlooked this post of yours. While I agree that consumers buying an entry-level device probably wouldn't care about (or know how to take advantage of) Bluetooth, I disagree completely about playing MP3s. Average non-techie folks definitely want MP3 players. If you can merge an MP3 player with a low-cost PDA that just does basic PIM, I think you've got a winner. That's part of what I ranted about with the rumors of the upcoming palmOne Zire 21 here:
http://goodthatway.com/news_arc/?id=67

In case you hadn't heard, palmOne (the more I write that new name, the more I've decided I don't much like it) is coming out with a replacement model for their low-end $99 Zire. It will have OS5/ARM but still just a 160x160 B&W screen. Most geeks would find this to be a rather lame offering, but if it has an SD slot and can play MP3s, I think it could be a big success among the same sort of market that bought the original Zire last Xmas. Of course, it's probably a moot point, because the rumors didn't say anything about an SD slot, and I doubt palmOne will surprise.

Scott

szamot

09-03-2003, 12:37 AM

Wishful thinking I suppose, but I wonder if that odd protrusion on the left side might perhaps be a detachable flip cover? :|

The original article in Polish says

" Model ten będzie miał możliwość podłączania dodatkowych akcesoriów bądź baterii o większej pojemności, dzięki specjalnemu uchwytowi, który standardowo zostanie wykorzystany do przyczepienia do palmtopa plecaczka ochronnego, dołączonego do zestawu"

meaning that they are planning some sort of expansion capability for X3, I would presume that it will be similar to that of an iPAQ sleeve, however it does not say which unit will have this but it mentions that it is included in the original package. It literarily says that you will be able to hook up extra accessories to X3 via this universal connector that will also hold the case\cover and lists one possible accessory as an extended life battery. My Polish is a bit rusty.

PetiteFlower

09-03-2003, 12:38 AM

*shrug* an Axim and a CF Wifi card is still pretty reasonably priced, under $300 for all of it. I'd like to have dual slots AND wifi but I don't want to spend $500 for an e750.

I don't know where you're getting that most devices with WiFi have dual slots....only ONE has both and it's the above mentioned e750. The only other device as far as I know with Wifi is the HP 5000 series and they all only have SD. Of course they also are obscenely priced, but that's besides the point :) There are just not enough devices out there with built in wifi, period!

MacBirdie

09-03-2003, 12:48 AM

My Polish is a bit rusty.

It's not so bad szamot, not bad at all. :way to go:

The expansion pack system will look a bit like Toshiba's - extended batteries, even more extended batteries etc. ;) And besides maybe some rugged detachable flip cases or whatever they imagine is worth buying for the targetted consumer.

Fzara

09-03-2003, 03:05 AM

There are just not enough devices out there with built in wifi, period!

Agreed! As consumers, no one gives a flying hoot about BT. We couldn't care if we can access a GPRS connection via our BT, or sync our BT headsets, etc.

With WiFi emerging nearly EVERYWHERE, we need a good conumser, dual-slot device, wtih WiFi that has the thin, slim form factor of the HP22XX series. The X3 seems to fill in this gap extremely well.

I still have not understood why any of you fanatics of the Jornada will NOT buy any PPC that does not have a built-in flip cover. Sure, I had an M500 once, and a built in cover was nice. But to not buy a PPC because it does not offer a flip-cover seems ludacrous to me.

For the record-If any of you travel in NYC, open your window and hold your PPC with WiFi up high, and try locating a signal. Almost every corner block has a WiFi connection, and most of them are unprotected as well! Driving home from NYC, I was able to check some stuff on BBC News before being cut-off.

szamot

09-03-2003, 04:09 AM