Pocket MVP Now Works With Windows Mobile 2003

[Brad Adrian]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.wincesoft.de/' target='_blank'>http://www.wincesoft.de/</a><br /><br /></div>One of the most-used applications on my Pocket PCs has always been Pocket Music and Video Player (MVP), which was formerly known as Pocket DivX. It is an excellent program for watching video clips and listening to music files, especially since it has a great playlist feature. Plus, it's totally FREE!<br /><br />That's why I was so disappointed when I tried to install it on my 2003 device and it kept crashing. Now, though, the developers at WinCESoft have successfully updated this for Windows Mobile 2003.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/adrian/pocketmvp.jpg" /><br /> <br />The new version doesn't really have any enhancements, aside from a very cool new skin that's included. But just in case you've forgotten, here are all the great features that it does include:<!><br /><br />• 10-Band Equalizer with Pre-Amp <br />• PlayList Support <br />• PlayList Editor <br />• Web Streaming <br />• Brightness Control (ARM devices only) <br />• File Association Support <br />• Hardware Button Mapping <br />• Shuffle Play <br />• 90 degree Rotate <br />• 2:1 zoom <br />• Bi-linear filtering for zoom mode <br />• Dithering (ARM devices only) <br />• Fast Forward <br />• Seek Bar <br />• Volume Control <br />• Custom File Open Dialog <br />• Custom Web View Streaming File Selection Dialog <br />• Keep Alive for device shutoff suspension <br />• Play At File Open option <br />• Definable Caching for performance/power utilization <br /><br />• Supported Audio/Video Formats<br /> Video: Divx, OpenDivX, Avi, MPEG-1 w/ FFMPEG mpeg video decoder <br /> Audio: MP3 and Layer I + II Audio w/ MAD MP3 decoder <br /><br />Note: When you click on link on the WinCESoft page for the Windows Mobile 2003 download, it may look like you end up on the page for the HPC version. Trust me; the download on this page is the one you want. You also should install Pocket MVP to internal memory for best operation.

[Xanadu]

Still quite a bit of refinement needed, I'm afraid. :(

Both of my attempts to play video failed. A Divx5.0.5/MPEG-3 file would only play audio and was accompanied by screen corruption. An .ASF file quit with "Load Error: Failed to load file, please check available memory". This was on a freshly rebooted 2215 with 32 megs of program memory available.

*sigh*

-Xan

[moaske]

I'm still waiting for my WM 2003 update for my Loox, but untill then i wanna try this on my current OS PPC2002 (i had it on my HPC 2000 before, a HP720, and really liked it a lot).
But on the download page there are only versions for CE.NET 4.xx available and older HPC versions like for the HP720.... :?:

Does this mean that this is the latest version for ALL M$ operating systems with 240x320 screens ? So can i safely install this on a PPC 2002 ?

[Andy Whiteford]

Don't forget it supports ogg audio as well. re: the divx 5.0.5 video failing, I have only had it work up to version 5.0.2 so I use this for all my Pocket PC encoding.

[Pony99CA]

You also should install Pocket MVP to internal memory for best operation.
Can someone explain this to me? If I understand the Pocket PC correctly, when you start a program, it (or the part that's running) gets copied to program RAM. So no matter what, the program is running in device RAM anyway, right? (The alternative is that programs execute in place, and program memory is for things like stack and heap memory.)

If my assumption is correct, keeping the data file in RAM (if it fits) would be more beneficial than keeping the program in RAM.

Steve

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Still quite a bit of refinement needed, I'm afraid. :(

Both of my attempts to play video failed. A Divx5.0.5/MPEG-3 file would only play audio and was accompanied by screen corruption. An .ASF file quit with "Load Error: Failed to load file, please check available memory". This was on a freshly rebooted 2215 with 32 megs of program memory available.
All my current videos are coded to the DivX5.0.5 standard (with MP3 audio CODEC) and they work great on my HP2215.

If your videos are using any DivX Pro features though, they will fail... PocketMVP has only been built to take advantage of the standard DivX 5.0.5 features.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

I'm still waiting for my WM 2003 update for my Loox, but untill then i wanna try this on my current OS PPC2002 (i had it on my HPC 2000 before, a HP720, and really liked it a lot).
But on the download page there are only versions for CE.NET 4.xx available and older HPC versions like for the HP720.... :?:

Does this mean that this is the latest version for ALL M$ operating systems with 240x320 screens ? So can i safely install this on a PPC 2002 ?
If you examine that download page a bit more closely, you'll see there's a download available for Windows Mobile 2003. It's also stated in the history.

From the original threads discussing this player on ProjectMayo boards, the goal of this player was WM2003 compatibility. There was never any mention of PPC2002 compatibility, so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work.

[GoldKey]

So did they get rid of a version for 2002 when they upgraded it to run on 2003?

[Zensbikeshop]

I thought I'd give this a go but as it doesn't add anything useful to me I've removed it.

Sadly it has messed up my file associations!

I have managed to re-associate MP3 files with Media Player using Resco Explorer but the icon is not shown - can I easily fix this and the other associations?

I hate software that doesn't unistal cleanly :evil:

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

So did they get rid of a version for 2002 when they upgraded it to run on 2003?
No. In fact, this new version is really from a different developer than the one who's been typically maintaining PocketMVP. There's been no collaboration between the two.

The original developer, Marc Dukette, has been on extended leave (several months) with no signs of returning. Thus, people were getting antsy about updates and then this version kind of appeared out of nowhere from a completely different developer. From what I understand, this app was actuall re-engineered significantly (though the interface remains exactly the same).

[Stephen Beesley]

So did they get rid of a version for 2002 when they upgraded it to run on 2003?
No. In fact, this new version is really from a different developer than the one who's been typically maintaining PocketMVP. There's been no collaboration between the two.

The original developer, Marc Dukette, has been on extended leave (several months) with no signs of returning. Thus, people were getting antsy about updates and then this version kind of appeared out of nowhere from a completely different developer. From what I understand, this app was actuall re-engineered significantly (though the interface remains exactly the same).

Ahhh now it becomes clear :D

I was also confused by what appeared to be two different video/audio programes with the same name!

I tried to load the version for Windows Mobile 2003 on my Jornada 568 PPC 2002 and, at least for me, it doesn't work - PPC 2002 seems to be missing some files that the program is looking for.

Still I have now installed the other version of the program on my Jornada and am suitably impressed!

Goldtee

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

I thought I'd give this a go but as it doesn't add anything useful to me I've removed it.
This program's real value is in playing DivX video. It also works as a freeware OGG player (as an alternative to Winampaq). Aside from that, all other functions are rather generic (can be found elsewhere and is implemented better).

The ability to play DivX video, though, makes this the single most important entertainment app on my PocketPC (2nd place is not even close!!).

If you're not interested in DivX video, there's little to see here.

Sadly it has messed up my file associations!
You could also try re-installing PMVP and then upon your first execution of the program (or right after installing... can't remember when), you'll be prompted to define which programs you want to associate to PMVP. At that time you can uncheck them all and then uninstall the program.

[hgwte]

I was wondering what version to installed. I have a Dell Axim Xscale/400MHZ I tried to install the new one and was getting the same message the person was getting. There are many versions out there ...

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

To alleviate confusion:

If you have WM2003, then use the download link provided in this thread.

If you have PPC2002/PPC2000, then go to the Pocket MVP site (http://www.pocketmvp.org) for the legacy applications maintained by Marc Dukette.

[PeterLake]

:nonono: A little off topic, but if people are looking for a good video player for Pocket PC 2003, try PocketTV Enterprise Edition (not free). On my h5555, I was able to play my home videos at full-screen and at 27/fps.

I have been using Windows CE for video since Casio Cassiopeia E-110, and watching these videos on this PDA was like driving out of the fog and into sunshine.

I don't know if the free version of PocketTV is as good, but its worth a look.

[theone3]

Thanks.. I was wondering about this too..

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

...if people are looking for a good video player for Pocket PC 2003, try PocketTV Enterprise Edition (not free). On my h5555, I was able to play my home videos at full-screen and at 27/fps.
I've always been curious as to what PocketTV enterprise could do, but in terms of this being a "good video player", let me assure you that PocketMVP is quite powerful and quite good when used with DivX videos.

The ability to store two full-length feature films on my 512MB SD card with stereo MP3 sound at 96kbps and high quality video is tough to beat!

[CR]

Actually, in terms of MPEG-1 video, PocketMVP got ahead of PocketTV Classic, and was just barely behind Enterprise in the last two builds made by Marc. However, when he rewrote the mpegreader plugin, he pulled it from the open source project, so now, the WM 2003 version still uses the same not-so-great MPEG-1 plugin that the older versions of PMVP used.

I am not sure if this would work, but if you want improved MPEG-1 performance, you could download one of the last few versions from http://www.pocketmvp.org or the more stable .8.040603 version from http://pmvp.dellama.com, install it, copy the mpeg dlls to a temporary folder, uninstall it, install the WM 2003 version, and then copy the older dlls over the new ones that are based on older code.

RE: DivX 5.x. DivX 4.12 actually plays better on PMVP that DivX 5.x. Not only is PMVP more equipped to handle 4.x, 4.x makes smaller files, for me, when I encode for the PPC.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

RE: DivX 5.x. DivX 4.12 actually plays better on PMVP that DivX 5.x. Not only is PMVP more equipped to handle 4.x, 4.x makes smaller files, for me, when I encode for the PPC.
Hmm... I've heard arguments go both directions on this one.

I will say that I have yet to have any issues with the 5.x CODEC on PMVP and that for full-length feature films, the "nth pass" encoding options for DivX 5.0.5 would be difficult for DivX 4.12 to beat.

[PeterLake]

I've always been curious as to what PocketTV enterprise could do, but in terms of this being a "good video player", let me assure you that PocketMVP is quite powerful and quite good when used with DivX videos.

I didn't mean to imply anything to the contrary. :)

[kagayaki1]

I'm so glad this finally made it to the front page - thanks Brian! For those of you that want to look a little further back, check this thread out.

This is SOOOOOO much more stable than the POS the old PocketMVP people had tried to throw together. It will be the coup d'eta if WinCESoft takes over the project long term. There's one key to making it happen: listen to the users, and provide frequent updates. Simple as that.

[kagayaki1]

RE: DivX 5.x. DivX 4.12 actually plays better on PMVP that DivX 5.x. Not only is PMVP more equipped to handle 4.x, 4.x makes smaller files, for me, when I encode for the PPC.
I concur 100%.

[jayman]

Are there any Mpeg4 players for the ppc platform??
I am buying a Pretec dv4200 that records video at 30fps at 240x320 direct to SD card in MPEG4 and would love to be able to review on the PPC 3inch screen rather than on the cameras small 1.7inch screen.

[Pony99CA]

Are there any Mpeg4 players for the ppc platform??
I am buying a Pretec dv4200 that records video at 30fps at 240x320 direct to SD card in MPEG4 and would love to be able to review on the PPC 3inch screen rather than on the cameras small 1.7inch screen.
I don't know if it's still available, but my old iPAQ 3650 included the Packet Video (http://packetvideo.com) MPEG 4 player.

Steve

[Xanadu]

Still quite a bit of refinement needed, I'm afraid. :(

Both of my attempts to play video failed. A Divx5.0.5/MPEG-3 file would only play audio and was accompanied by screen corruption. An .ASF file quit with "Load Error: Failed to load file, please check available memory". This was on a freshly rebooted 2215 with 32 megs of program memory available.
All my current videos are coded to the DivX5.0.5 standard (with MP3 audio CODEC) and they work great on my HP2215.

If your videos are using any DivX Pro features though, they will fail... PocketMVP has only been built to take advantage of the standard DivX 5.0.5 features.

Is there a way to tell if any DivX Pro features were used in a particular clip?

It seems like PPC videophiles have to "roll their own" PPC-compatible versions. With so many gotchas, it's not feasible to simply download and view publicly available content. Is this accurate?

-Xan

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Is there a way to tell if any DivX Pro features were used in a particular clip?
Not sure exactly... but if you're trying to play a video that is greater than the PPC viewing dimensions, then you can assume that it wasn't created with the PPC in mind.

It seems like PPC videophiles have to "roll their own" PPC-compatible versions. With so many gotchas, it's not feasible to simply download and view publicly available content. Is this accurate?
All of my stuff is ripped from my own DVD collection and since I've never bothered to download or purchase the DivX Pro CODEC, I don't think twice about it when ripping my own stuff. It all works.

[mashtim]

Has anyone else tried this program on their Toshiba 740 or 750 (i.e. a PPC with the ATI chip)?

[sponge]

Xanadu: Stick with the default settings and you'll be fine. You'll have to reencode most clips yourself, due to the processor's weakness and screen dimensions.

[Xanadu]

Xanadu: Stick with the default settings and you'll be fine. You'll have to reencode most clips yourself, due to the processor's weakness and screen dimensions.

Thanks for the info. I wanted to make sure before going about it the hard way. :)

-Xan

[mar2k]

I'm using VirtualDub and my DIVX files play fine on my PC, but when I try to play using the latest PocketMVP I just get the spinning hourglass and I have t soft reset.

Can someone give me a set of encoding guidelines that works for sure...maybe its one of the filters I am using, I'm not sure...using
Deinterlace, Null Transform, Resize filters I think...

[Xanadu]

This (http://www.pocketmatrix.com/guides/dvd2divx/) site has a walkthrough. I haven't tried it yet, but others have recommended it.

-Xan

[FrankW]

Bugfixed version incl. a compatible iPAQ 39xx version was released:

v0.8.072703 Change log from v0.8.042003:
- The WinCE .NET versions are now .NET 4.1 compatible (before only 4.2, sorry)
- All dialogs are now centered on the display
- Help updated
- iPAQ 39xx is now supported :D

At: www.WinCESoft.de

Frank

[tel]

Hello,

I have installed PMVP on my 2210.

I have created an OGG playlist.

When I want to listen to it, PMVP play the 2 first song and then stop.
I must click on the next song in the playlist editor to listen to it.


Is there something to do in settings or the soft is bugged ??

HELP ME.....

Thanks

Tel



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