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Janak Parekh
07-01-2003, 05:30 PM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.developerone.com/press/pocketpc2003_agendafusion.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.developerone.com/press/p...gendafusion.htm</a><br /><br /></div>"Developer One, a leading mobile software developer announces the launch of Agenda Fusion 5.0, a complete time and contact management solution supporting Windows Mobile software for Pocket PCs, the newest version of Microsoft software for Windows Mobile-based devices. Agenda Fusion 5.0 gives Pocket PC users a highly integrated mobile time management solution with powerful features and exceptional ease-of-use. Recipient of many industry awards as a premier information management solution for Pocket PC, Agenda Fusion allows users to more effectively stay in touch with contacts and manage even the busiest of schedules when on the go."<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/raeburn-jun03-AF5-1.gif" /><br /><br />I have to say, some of the views look very, very nice, especially the above weekly view. I've been using PI, myself, but I'll probably download and play with the new version in my spare time.<br /><br /><b>Update:</b> I've uploaded a simpler weekly view...

Evee Ev
07-01-2003, 05:45 PM
janak...what about that weekly view do you like? it looks like confusion to me!

ikesler
07-01-2003, 05:50 PM
I downloaded the trial and found it confusing as well......... but to each their own!

dMores
07-01-2003, 05:51 PM
yup!
a good weekview was the reason why i installed pocketinformant!

well, it being on my loox' companion cd was cool, but i bought it for my girlfriend's MDA as well.

Janak Parekh
07-01-2003, 05:53 PM
janak...what about that weekly view do you like? it looks like confusion to me!
Well, it so happens that this example is totally cluttered. The person whose schedule that is must have had a heart attack by now. :lol:

However, in general, such views make it possible, at a glance, to see what "available times" I have in an entire week, which makes it easier to set up appointments. In PI, the zoomable monthly view comes very close, but I'll still occasionally go to Pocket Outlook's calendar to get the equivalent of this view. (Outlook's Work Week view is similar in function).

For example, at one glance of the above screenshot, it's easy to tell there's an open timeslot for an appointment on Wednesday at 9am.

--janak

ikesler
07-01-2003, 05:54 PM
Well to be fair there is another week view on A5........ but I found that way behind PI as well..... again...... to each their own.

snowlion
07-01-2003, 06:14 PM
a few minor interfaces changes and this will make a real cool elevator-based game!!!

Jerry Raia
07-01-2003, 06:22 PM
It looks like Tetris gone bad.

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 06:29 PM
The goal was functional parity with the Week view in Pocket Outlook, but integrated within Agenda Fusion, so that it can be used with its superior editors, etc.

dh
07-01-2003, 06:30 PM
Having gone through the learning curve of PI (although there is still a lot I don't know about) I don't think I want to confuse things and try AF.

Even without the promised new version, PI does everything I need in a PIM and much more. None of the comments I read here and at other sites gives me any indication that there would be any advantage in using AF.

I'm sure that most AF users would be in exactly the same situation and not likely to be interested in trying PI.

It's great for the PPC community that we have these two super products available, each developer pushing the other to get even better. I for one don't care a bit that Pocket Outlook is not very good.

Janak Parekh
07-01-2003, 06:39 PM
I just sent him an e-mail asking him... I'm sure that on the day of a major release like this, he's probably up to his eyeballs in work...
OK, thanks -- if you have a better week view example I'd be happy to update the shot. (You'll note that I deleted my query from the thread; I was going to PM you instead, but you beat me to it. ;))

--janak

Eitel
07-01-2003, 07:07 PM
It looks like Tetris gone bad.

My feelings exactly. I'm sticking to PI. :)

powder2000
07-01-2003, 07:08 PM
Does anyone out there think a $15 upgrade charge is worth it?

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 07:19 PM
It looks like Tetris gone bad.

My feelings exactly. I'm sticking to PI. :)

Well, this is how the comparable view in Pocket Outlook works, so I guess I don't really understand the viewpoint. But by all means, stick with PI if you like it.

hoffm11
07-01-2003, 07:26 PM
I am still torn between the 2. I like all the features of PI, but I also like the simplicity of AF.

I bought AF a while ago and contiplating on paying for the upgrade, unless I can find a discount on PI. Anyone have a discount code for PI? Please IM me if you do or send me mail.

pdaided
07-01-2003, 07:36 PM
I've used both pi and af but chose AF over a year ago and have been using it ever since. I like the fact that I can view the month and at the same time I can click on a day and see it above the month without leaving the month screen. This really is nice when scanning through the weeks ahead. I downloaded the new 5.0 trial and it really looks great. Now the alarm notes can be created and managed from any screen and all routing has been streamlined. I emailed them and got two responses back within the hour. They are going to give it to me free since I purchased a new version 6 months ago. I sent them a thanks and this is what came back.

" Hi -
thanks for the kind words on a very hectic day, and thanks for sending people to us, that's appreciated very much,
Have a terrific day ! "

------
Developer One Software
[email protected]


GREAT SUPPORT. Great Help.

pdaided

History: 3650, 568, 3835, 3955, 2215

whydidnt
07-01-2003, 07:40 PM
I own both PI and AF and like them both. I'm probably not a power user of either, but like the way PI looks better, so usually use that. I am considering taking 5.0 of AF for a spin, but...

Why isn't there a complete list of items updated in version 5 on their Website? If they want me to pay for an upgrade, the least they could do is give a complete list of what I'm paying for. Near as I can tell the week view was enhanced and they gave us a yearly calendar. On their site they say "and much more". Am I missing the complete feature list? I don't really feel like upgrading over my registered version until I'm confident that I'll spend the $$ for the new versions features.

Is there a complete new feature list somewhere on D1's website? I must be missing it.

Whydidnt

dh
07-01-2003, 07:48 PM
I am still torn between the 2. I like all the features of PI, but I also like the simplicity of AF.

I bought AF a while ago and contiplating on paying for the upgrade, unless I can find a discount on PI. Anyone have a discount code for PI? Please IM me if you do or send me mail.

I seem to recall that there is a discount if you buy both PI and @mail. After buying one you would get a code for the other. Don't know if that is still the case. Although it's not perfect, @mail is probably the best PPC email solution. There will be a new version before too long as well.

CTSLICK
07-01-2003, 08:14 PM
I am still torn between the 2. I like all the features of PI, but I also like the simplicity of AF.

See...this is the comment I don't understand. I suppose if one were to try and check out every setting and option to try for the "perfect" set up the first time then...yes...it could be daunting. But you do not need to go through that exercise. When I switched from AF to PI I didn't do anything but accept the default options and start using it. In my opinion if you are using AF then switching to PI is easy. PI's default set up is perfectly usable right out of the box. Just start using it and then start customizing as you grow into it. When I needed an option I found it very easy to locate via a menu or the PI Options module.

I wouldn't let the wealth of options in PI deter you, just dig in and have fun. :)

CTSLICK
07-01-2003, 08:22 PM
I've used both pi and af but chose AF over a year ago and have been using it ever since. I like the fact that I can view the month and at the same time I can click on a day and see it above the month without leaving the month screen. This really is nice when scanning through the weeks ahead.


Sorry just had to chime in on this one :wink: :

Maybe you haven't checked out PI in a while but you have 4 different ways to do this in Month View now. Depending on your settings and preferences you can:

1 - Tap on a day and have it open a window that is fixed at the bottom of the screen.

2 - Tap on a day and have it open in a "floating" window

3 - Tap on a day and have it open "inline" in the calendar itself (too hard to explain, you need to see it to appreciate it)

4 - Tap and drag to highlight several days to "zoom in" on. (once again, too hard to explain, you need to see it to appreciate it).

:D

Iznot Gold
07-01-2003, 08:31 PM
I should say that I have never used PI. I've been using AF for over a year and I'm used to it & feel no need to get used to using a different PIM. This is not to say that others wouldn't prefer PI...try them both and decide for your self...but..

I've just bought & downloaded the version 5.0 updater from Handango. I received the registration code within an hour - excellent. Having only been using the new version for the past hour, I am very pleased with the added features especially the daily hour view. It has greatly added to my pleasure with the product.

However, I have a couple of issues: when will the updated user guide be available as there are some features that I've not been able to get my head around by just experimenting?

Also if I enter a new appointment then change view, I can not add another appointment, open and edit existing appointments with out first exiting from the application and then restarting it.


I'm sure given their excellent past performance - that these issues will be quickly dealt with by means of an update.

Regards
David

UPDATE re: Problem I was experiencing
I think the problem was user error! Since I installed the 'Battery Pack' application killer I've been hitting the OK button thinking I OK'ing an action, however with this task killer installed, its stopping the action of viewing / editing an appointment, whilst leaving AF still running. Having 'killed' the edit or create new appointment action AF will no longer allow the creation of new appointments or editing of existing appointments. Doh! :oops:

My fault!
:oops:

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 08:32 PM
In a tribute to Murphy's Law, the D1 website went down last night. So things aren't quite as up-to-date as John wants them. But he's working on it.

From the top of my head, here's what we're looking at:

Updated Today View - Now allows navigation to any day
New Hourly Day View - Modeled after the similar view in Pocket Outlook, but with more time granularity and integrated with AF
New Hourly Week View - Again, modeled after the similar view in Pocket Outlook, but with more time granularity, and integrated with AF
Redesigned Month View - The detail view is now over 1/2 the size of the screen, providing the largest view, horizontally and vertically, available for the Pocket PC. The Month grid "scrunches down" to a small version on the bottom of the screen, allowing full navigation between days and months with the large detail pane open. Advantages over AF4 and other competitors: much larger detail view with the conventional monthly grid, no distortion of the conventional monthly grid in any views, no floating windows to block the grid
New Year View - Full 12 months, opens to whatever detail view you select.
New Alarm Notes View - Makes administration of alarm notes much easier.
Icon bar integration - now uses many common icons across views
Streamlined tabs, with easier navigation - all view navigation can be performed from the bottom tabs
Much improved tap-and-hold menus with increased functionality

And there is more, but I don't have the whole list... John should be posting it shortly. I've definitely posted the high points.

wbgordy
07-01-2003, 08:35 PM
I was told by a more than reliable source that AF 5 would have the much anticipated today screen integration. What happened to that?

Jerry Raia
07-01-2003, 08:37 PM
Well, this is how the comparable view in Pocket Outlook works, so I guess I don't really understand the viewpoint. But by all means, stick with PI if you like it.

I don't really care for the pocket outlook view either.

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 08:40 PM
Please post any issues on the D1 support board at

http://discuss.pocketnow.com/forumdisplay.php?s=71c2b14222ad020fc3adbfa9dd1a2509&forumid=26

There's no guarantee that John will see any issues posted on sites other than the "official" support site. :)

Dermot81
07-01-2003, 08:41 PM
Wow, why so many Agenda Fusion haters?

I've never tried Pocket Informant, but Agenda Fusion suits all my needs. I'll try PI later I suppose, but for now AF is fine for me.

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 08:41 PM
Well, this is how the comparable view in Pocket Outlook works, so I guess I don't really understand the viewpoint. But by all means, stick with PI if you like it.

I don't really care for the pocket outlook view either.

Different strokes... this was one of the most highly requested features by AF users.

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 08:44 PM
I was told by a more than reliable source that AF 5 would have the much anticipated today screen integration. What happened to that?

Don't know... that's a question for John.

:?: :?: :?:

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 08:46 PM
Wow, why so many Agenda Fusion haters?

Religious wars... for some reason, this category of product has some of the most dedicated users of any.

Don't worry about it... AF has lots and lots of fans.

Jerry Raia
07-01-2003, 08:54 PM
I was told by a more than reliable source that AF 5 would have the much anticipated today screen integration. What happened to that?

Don't know... that's a question for John.

:?: :?: :?:

PI was touting that for a while too. It just disappeared it seems.

CTSLICK
07-01-2003, 09:13 PM
Wow, why so many Agenda Fusion haters?...

Naaahhh, not an AF hater, I used it for the better part of a year before I switched to PI. If you had asked me back then I would have told you that AF's functionality was better than PI. But I kept checking in on PI and found that PI 3.x had jumped ahead of AF for what I need out of a PIM. I still think AF is a good app but I like PI much better...thats all. PI v4.01 was full of improvements and the latest version (about to be released) is even better.

Hawkeyes
07-01-2003, 09:56 PM
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1 - Tap on a day and have it open a window that is fixed at the bottom of the screen.

2 - Tap on a day and have it open in a "floating" window

3 - Tap on a day and have it open "inline" in the calendar itself (too hard to explain, you need to see it to appreciate it)

4 - Tap and drag to highlight several days to "zoom in" on. (once again, too hard to explain, you need to see it to appreciate it).


Wow, I wasn't aware of #4 here, and I've been using PI since the early days. Must have missed that in one of the many (free) upgrades. But that's cool as heck, glad I checked out this thread!

Doug Raeburn
07-01-2003, 10:11 PM
I still think AF is a good app but I like PI much better...thats all.

And switch the names of the products around in your quote, and that's what I feel about the two. Have a license for both but keep going back to AF.

Isn't it great that we have such quality choices?

Mark R Penn
07-01-2003, 10:47 PM
I still think AF is a good app but I like PI much better...thats all.

And switch the names of the products around in your quote, and that's what I feel about the two. Have a license for both but keep going back to AF.

Isn't it great that we have such quality choices?

It absolutely is Doug, and I for one would have NO problem recommending AF to someone if I felt it suited them better than the PI I love.

Good luck to D1 with the new release. I seriously would worry if this constant competition was to end, as I think it's good for all of us, whether you feel more comfortable with PI, or with AF, or with any other alternative.

Same old plea to anyone who's not sure which they'd want (and I know Doug supports this too); try both, and make up your own mind! They are afterall personal information managers, so noone can tell you which is best. I could write pages and pages telling you why PI is my choice, and I bet Doug could do the same for AF, but at the end of the day the best one is the one you like the most!

Mark

CTSLICK
07-01-2003, 11:08 PM
You're right there Mark...you have to try these yourself. Even if you could find someone to do an unbiased full on side by side review it would not do the apps justice. Feature lists are not enough. You have to play around with them to really get the feel for them and discover what they can do for you.

And yes Doug, I am truly thankful to have apps like AF and PI to choose from. :D

pdafan
07-02-2003, 03:32 AM
I tried AF up till 4.80 and liked the simplicity of the UI and speed. But one of the reasons I switched to AI was because it saved settings and preferences in the WebIS folder which I can backup. Does anyone know if AF5 added this feature?

pcause
07-02-2003, 12:58 PM
PI already has a graphical week view, so this is not a "new" thing for the PPC PIM market. In PI's month view you can select a group of says and you get a graphical view that shows the time bars for each day. Tap a day and the window splits and you get the day's items and tasks displayed.

What is even better is that PI allows you to select which span of days you want to have a graphical view of. For example, you can select the M-F of 2 consecutive weeks and get a 2 week graphical view. Or you can select just 4 Consecutive Thursdays and see all Thursdays for the next month.

Very powerful capabilities, and as is typical for PI, the user has the power to pick the view that they need. So, sorry, but this feature may be new in AF, but has been around for a while.

popabawa
07-02-2003, 01:10 PM
I've been using AF for about 2 years. I chose it over PI at the time because I purely didn't get on with PI, just a personal preference. Both are very good software.

Right, AF 5.0 v's 4.93.

I installed the trial of 5.0 early this morning (3870 iPAQ) so I've had a good morning to play with it and I have to say I'm a tad disappointed.

It does seem a tad faster but that was never an issue for me really. The new views are nice but not essential.

Nice to integrate the alarm notes a little more but it's not a feature I use a lot.

Other than that, I'm struggling to see the difference. I'm going to read the feature list to see what I'm missing but it hasn't given me a lot in my 'normal' use.

I woudn't do without AF but I don't think it's worth a $15 upgrade, this feels like version 4.95 to me.

If the today screen integration had been present that might just have swung it....

Doug Raeburn
07-02-2003, 02:13 PM
PI already has a graphical week view, so this is not a "new" thing for the PPC PIM market. In PI's month view you can select a group of says and you get a graphical view that shows the time bars for each day. Tap a day and the window splits and you get the day's items and tasks displayed.

Don't want to get into a "feature fight", but I have to point out that the first line of this quote is only partly correct. PI's zoom feature is similar to the Hourly Week view in appearance only. While it has some nice aspects of its own, it doesn't work like a traditional "Hourly week view", such as in Pocket Outlook and Palm, and now in AF 5.0.

One of the biggest advantages of the Hourly Week view is the ability to see your appointments illustrated graphically AND individually. You can tap on the various blocks that represent the appointments to see a summary of the appointment at the top of the screen. Overlapping appointments show up as individual blocks. You can also drag and drop from this view to reschedule. And you can control the detail of the time increments, from 1 hour to 5 minutes. And the biggest advantage is that all of this functionality is available while staying in the same view, without switching screens. PI users should note that most of this functionality is similar to that of PI's Day view.

Zooming in on the same time span in PI, each day's appointments are displayed in a single larger block for the entire day with no time scale. Although appointments without conflicts display in individual blocks, overlapping appointments just show up as a single big block of red, instead of individually as in AF. You can't review the appointments on the same screen. If you tap on an appointment, PI shifts back into a pseudo month view with the selected days appearing as they do in the Month view grid, changing the graphical scale and display orientation completely, and the whole day is displayed for the selected appointment, using the format for the Month view's detail display. Back to the zoomed display, you have no control over the time increments in this view. Also, you can't manage the schedule by drag and drop.

As I said, PI's zoom feature has its own advantages, primarily the ability of specifying the span of days to be displayed. But once it displays the selected days, it only has the appearance of the Hourly Week view in other products, while lacking most of the functionality unique to those views. Rather than being a full-fledged Hourly Week view, it's more like a variation of PI's Month view. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just not the same thing.

No flame wars, please... I'm just trying to point out the difference between the approach used for the graphical week display between the 2 products. I wouldn't have mentioned it at all, but a PI fan brought it up, and that post completely missed the point of the Hourly Week view.

lapchinj
07-02-2003, 03:55 PM
:mecry: :mecry: Sorry but I was very disappointed with AF5. :mecry: :mecry:

I have been using AF for about 2 years now and PI for at least a year just for its hourly day view (since AF lacked that ability). I had some issues with PI that would not let me use it full time but was I was recently told that all those issues were fixed. In the last few weeks I have totally gone over to PI and have been totally blown away by its functionality etc. I’ve kept AF on my iPAQ just to see what would be with v5. I paid for my AFv5 upgrade since I figured that I would still some how use it and I was totally let down and disappointed with it. :byebye:

I used to think that AF was fine but once I really looked into PI I was blown away. If AF works for you then great but just think that PI can do what ever AF can do. PI can do more, do it better and do it with class. If you take a look at the PI site you’ll see what’s coming up in their “.5” upgrade. It’s not even a full version upgrade! Anybody that still has any problems with AF should just go and get a copy of PI and try it out – you’ll never look back. :alfdance: :alfdance: :alfdance:

Jeff - :soapbox:

SLG2
07-02-2003, 04:38 PM
Does AF 5 allow you to use the journal feature of Outlook any more extensively than did earlier versions?

Janak Parekh
07-02-2003, 05:34 PM
Anybody that still has any problems with AF should just go and get a copy of PI and try it out – you’ll never look back.
Sorry, but I am a hardcore PI user and have been for years -- and even I don't necessarily agree with this. I still maintain that you have to try both. They take different approaches in a lot of featuresets, and those different approaches are sometimes crucial.

--janak

Doug Raeburn
07-02-2003, 06:42 PM
Does AF 5 allow you to use the journal feature of Outlook any more extensively than did earlier versions?

Not to my knowledge... sorry.

quidproquo
07-02-2003, 08:28 PM
I started out using PI but then switched to AF for about the past 2 years. I chose it over PI because it liked the clean look of it and it seemed a bit snappier. I was anxiously awaiting this 5.0 version and I am somewhat disappointed.

The interface now seems a bit "clunky". When I go to the AF Today screen it doesn't always totally refresh and I can still see parts of my PPC Today screen behind it.
Also, the new views are nice....but not worth a $15 upgrade. Maybe $6 or $9.95..... I will probably just stick with v 4.93 until v5.X does something else. (like integrate Today plugins into the agenda today page... 8) )

Hearing all the good things about PI makes me want to go check it out again..... I haven't downloaded it in a while so these last few upgrades may make me switch back.

lapchinj
07-02-2003, 09:35 PM
-- and even I don't necessarily agree with this. I still maintain that you have to try both. They take different approaches in a lot of featuresets, and those different approaches are sometimes crucial.

I didn’t mean that everyone should just switch cold turkey. If someone is happy as I had been for 2 years I would say stick with it. There are always small issues with software where the issue doesn’t warrant switching to another brand. I used PI for about 1 year just for the hourly day view which AF didn't have until now. I had a couple of issues with PI that made switching away from AF not a solution. I was basically happy. When I found out these issues were fixed a few weeks ago I took another look at PI, then I took an even deeper look and just fell in love with it. I kept using AF on my iPAQ not willing to jump away so fast from AF. But for me the v5 upgrade just fizzled. The hourly day view that I waited for a year for was depressing.

Even though I used AF I would always suggest that a person should also look at PI since a PIM is sort of a personal choice. But I think that the v5 release of AF just pushed PI into a category by itself. There was always the big 3 – DateBook, AF and PI. Everyone always compared PIMs to Datebook. I don’t think that is true anymore I think that even Datebook is at a distant 2 nd place with AF just behind it. Nobody knows what the future holds but I for one will still buy AF upgrades or new versions – it’s still a great piece of software. :D

Jeff - :soapbox:

popabawa
07-03-2003, 04:54 PM
Anybody that still has any problems with AF should just go and get a copy of PI and try it out – you’ll never look back.

I been trying PI again today but I've come to the conclusion that both are perfectly adequate for MY needs and I'm chasing my tail deciding which is 'better' and I don't really need to pony up another $25 for PI...

Minor niggle about PI, why the heck don't Heirarchical tasks work when you have the tasks sorted by category?

Mark R Penn
07-03-2003, 06:13 PM
Minor niggle about PI, why the heck don't Heirarchical tasks work when you have the tasks sorted by category?

As far as I know it's because the technology used just doesn't allow it - yet. No grouping in either PI or in AF is multi level yet. Maybe one day.

lapchinj
07-04-2003, 03:57 AM
I been trying PI again today but I've come to the conclusion that both are perfectly adequate for MY needs and I'm chasing my tail deciding which is 'better' and I don't really need to pony up another $25 for PI...

Stay with AF – No sense paying for bells and whistles that you won’t use. Then say in 3 months around try PI again and seeing if you feel the same about both of them I used AF for about 2 years and except for the lack of an hourly day view I was very happy. Having had a better chance to look at the PI interface I fell in love with it. But it’s been mentioned by me and others (and others reminding me :wink: ) that a PIM is a personal choice – I guess that’s why Chevy and Ford are still in business.

I don’t think that $25 should be a big issue these days. I know that $25 is real money and you shouldn’t throw it out without reason but when was the last time you were able to buy high quality software for only $25? These 2 apps are really phenomenal pieces of cool 8) programming.

Jeff

popabawa
07-04-2003, 10:35 AM
I don’t think that $25 should be a big issue these days. I know that $25 is real money and you shouldn’t throw it out without reason but when was the last time you were able to buy high quality software for only $25? These 2 apps are really phenomenal pieces of cool programming.

I'm lucky in that $25 isn't a big hole in my wallet, I've wasted far more money on useless PC games in my time :lol:

I'm kinda tempted to buy it just to support the development beacause it is rare to have excellent software at this price.

Right I've convinced my self... I'm off to download version 4.5 of PI and give it a spin :)

lapchinj
07-04-2003, 10:41 PM
Wow, why so many Agenda Fusion haters?

Religious wars... for some reason, this category of product has some of the most dedicated users of any.

I don’t think that anyone uses either PI or AF because he hates the other one. I guess we can save the hate for bad customer service. I’ve exchanged emails with the people from both camps and they have been courteous and extremely helpful. They are both willing to give us the enhancements we want. This is a rare occurrence on the windows desktop. The price for this great software that makes people more efficient in organizing their own businesses and lives amounts to pocket change. Where the ROI (Return On Investment) far outweighs the expenditure - at least it does for me and I use my iPAQ to keep track of everything.

I would like to think that we’re part of a unique community of users that we can appreciate the best efforts from both camps. I now use PI after using AF for about 2 years but I will continue buying upgrades for both. Someone asked me yesterday “why?” and all I could answer was that I wanted to support the cause. I also support the Open Source movement where it’s a grass-roots support and interaction between the developer, users and other types of contributors (aka community). If there is user-community support for the efforts of these developers we end up with great software that’s useful to us and the developer can probably make a living. Who know maybe in the future I’ll bounce back to AF because of some great enhancement.

:soapbox: Jeff :soapbox:

Jerry Raia
07-04-2003, 11:29 PM
Well now that the new PI is out it can be debated even more.

07-05-2003, 12:32 AM
Is it me... or does AF 5 run slower on my 2215 than AF 4.93?!! :(

Jerry Raia
07-06-2003, 06:40 AM
Well PI runs great on th 5555 i must say :D

Janak Parekh
07-06-2003, 06:42 AM
Well PI runs great on th 5555 i must say :D :nonono: There's a separate PI thread... let's constrain ourselves to PI-only comments there, shall we? ;)

--janak

Jerry Raia
07-06-2003, 06:45 AM
You should read ALL of the posts in the thread. PI has been mentioned throughout this one.

Jerry Raia
07-06-2003, 07:01 AM
Anybody that still has any problems with AF should just go and get a copy of PI and try it out – you’ll never look back.
Sorry, but I am a hardcore PI user and have been for years -- and even I don't necessarily agree with this. I still maintain that you have to try both. They take different approaches in a lot of featuresets, and those different approaches are sometimes crucial.

--janak

For example...see above :mrgreen:

Doug Raeburn
07-06-2003, 11:52 AM
Well PI runs great on th 5555 i must say :D

Well, AF runs great on both my 5455 and 3955.

Janak Parekh
07-06-2003, 05:45 PM
You should read ALL of the posts in the thread. PI has been mentioned throughout this one.
I reread every single post, including mine. The difference is that the others were comparative. You just posted a simple fact: "PI runs on my 5555". How exactly does that relate to AF?

--janak

Jerry Raia
07-07-2003, 01:31 AM
I see your point. :)

lapchinj
07-09-2003, 03:15 AM
The interface now seems a bit "clunky"...

...Also, the new views are nice....but not worth a $15 upgrade.

This is the same reason why I was so disappointed with the AF v5 upgrade - the interface just became a little more clunky. It seems that AF stagnated over the last few upgrades. But I still think that it’s well worth the $15 upgrade price even if it’s just a thank you for the developers. :beer:

As I mentioned in one of my previous posts that “Anybody that still has any problems with AF should just go and get a copy of PI and try it out – you’ll never look back.” Maybe I should have been a little kinder and worded it like “If anybody is disappointed with AF go get a copy of PI. You can have another look at AF in 6 months around.” This is what I’ll do but I think that it will take more than 6 months for AF to catch up to PI. So I for one won't be looking back anytime soon. 8)

jeff