Log in

View Full Version : This forum is such no help for ppc users at all


Axim Lover
06-24-2003, 02:20 PM
i would like to thank you so much for replying on my first post which you didnt, i was in desprate need of help on buying my ppc, but thanks alot you didnt.

xbalance
06-24-2003, 02:32 PM
Personally, I don't spend a lot of time writing questions or responses on this forum. It is not because I don't want to, it is because I don't need to. This forum is loaded with content on everything from the latest PPCs to the weather in Canada. I can not imagine why anyone would need to post a question asking for help in picking a PPC. My advice is do what I do, READ!

leigho
06-24-2003, 02:43 PM
I see you still managed to buy one though so it wasn't the end of the world and cause for a sarcastic post was it :?

thomas1973
06-24-2003, 02:56 PM
I'm sooo sorry I couldn't hold your hand and make the right decision for you. We'll all try harder next time... :mecry:

BTW, I really think you screwed up on buying the Axim :lol:

Thomas.

Crystal Eitle
06-24-2003, 03:06 PM
BTW, I really think you screwed up on buying the Axim :lol:

Hey! Be nice!

Aximlover, I don't know if you noticed, but the site's been pretty busy the last couple days. Most people have been focused on the release of the new OS and the new hardware coming out. I'm sorry that no one answered your original question. I remember seeing it, but didn't feel compelled to answer it. Perhaps it wasn't specific enough? Also, there's plenty of existing Pocket PC information here and other places on the web. There is a lot to read out there, so a little research should have uncovered what you were looking for. No one is going to tell you what to buy.

That said, you can't really go wrong with an Axim. It has a lot of features for a good price, and with Axim offering upgrades for Windows Mobile 2003, you're not going to be left out in the cold on the OS.

I've gotten so much help on these forums for various PPC issues. If you didn't get the response you were looking for, perhaps you should look at how you asked the question.

drop
06-24-2003, 03:06 PM
Since you need attention that badly, I am adding my post so you would have 5 replies (so far) to your post. Happy now?

One hint: be self reliance, do a search first. No one is obligated to anwser anyone's question on public forum. And be VERY grateful when they do. :soapbox:

But anyone can have a bad day. So I wish you a better one.

Pony99CA
06-24-2003, 03:13 PM
I can not imagine why anyone would need to post a question asking for help in picking a PPC.
Actually, he already knew he was getting an Axim. His question (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=124777) was requesting a complete step-by-step guide to setting up and configuring a WiFi network.

Axim Lover, nobody here is going to type all of that into a post. If you had searched this site for setting wireless lan, you'd have found that Jason wrote a two-part article on that; here is Part 1 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2783) and here is Part 2 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2785).

If those don't help, there are already resources on the Web to help you set up and configure a network, so I'd search :google: for those.

After reading, try setting the network up yourself; it's really not that hard. If you have problems after you try it yourself, come back and ask specific questions, and I'm sure many people will be willing to help you.

Steve

thomas1973
06-25-2003, 08:00 PM
BTW, I really think you screwed up on buying the Axim :lol:

Hey! Be nice!
Just my opinion. I think the Axim is a brick - of plastic. Anyway, I've got an iPaq 1915, which many hardcore PPC'ers think is a sizzy's PPC, as the expansion posibilities are rather limitied - to say the least.

BTW, I wish this thread was written after the new emoticons came along. Axim could've used this :helpme: in his first post. And Crystal could've used this :nonono: in her reply to my writing:

You bought an Axim!?! :rotfl:


Thomas.

Crystal Eitle
06-25-2003, 08:17 PM
The worst part is, someone (I think SUPERNERD DAVE) finally went through the time and trouble to answer his original question, but I suspect Axim Lover is long gone.

David Prahl
06-26-2003, 12:35 AM
(not meant for Pony99CA, Drop, or Crystal Eitle)

Why are you guys attacking this person? :| All they did was ask a WAY too vague question! Of course they should be told about the "search" function, but don't give them 40 lashes! :)

We're trying to make newbies WANT to buy a Pocket PC, remember?


And by the way, thomas1973 :twisted: , the Axim X5 400 will BURY your 1910 in almost any benchmark! You're right that the Axim's plastic case feels cheap, but Dell had to use SOME cheap parts to get the price down. And calling it a brick? It's about as think as an iPaq 39xx.

--Your battery is 900 mAH. Mine is 1440 mAH, and I can use a high capacity battery, too.
--You have one SD slot, and it's not even SDIO! I have SD and CF.
--I've got 802.11b on my Axim. Now remind me again how you would get wi-fi on your iPaq??
--Your CPU is 200 Mhz, mine is 400 and can be overclocked to 500.
--You have 46 MB of usable RAM. I have 83.5 MB (without any memory cards)
--You paid $299 (probably), and I paid the same (with a $50 rebate).

You're saying that your economy car is better than an SUV just because it's smaller!

It seems like some people don't like the Axim because it's new, cheap, and doesn't have an "HP" stuck on it. Come on! :nonono:

Kevin C. Tofel
06-26-2003, 01:08 AM
i would like to thank you so much for replying on my first post which you didnt, i was in desprate need of help on buying my ppc, but thanks alot you didnt.

Axim Lover,

Normally, I don't get involved in any major debates or brewhaha's, but since we BOTH own an Axim, I thought some 2 cent wisdom might be worth sharing:

Keep in mind that this site is many things to many people, i.e.: a "please help" message board, a place to learn the in's and out's of various PPC's, a sounding board for reviews and opinions, an almost "real time" news board, etc....

It's a shame you didn't get the response or the speed of answer you expected, but I'd recommend two things (one of which was already suggested):

1. Search the extensive history of posts. It sounds like you did and maybe didn't find the exact info you were looking for and hey, that's cool. :way to go: Why not take what info you did get from the search and ask some follow up questions to get you over the remaining hurdles?

2. Remember what (in my opinion) this site is most of all: A COMMUNITY! :olympic: We all have the same interests here and the best way I know of to get the most out of the community is to treat people with respect and to contribute in a positive manner.

Again, just my 2 cents for what it's worth. As a fellow Axim-ite, I hope you've got your WiFi all set up.....

Peace!

KCT

David Prahl
06-26-2003, 01:36 AM
Thanks for being considerate in your response, Kevin C. Tofel! :way to go:

I think I might be one of the more...vocal Axim X5 owners in this forum. :D

hollis_f
06-26-2003, 07:23 AM
(not meant for Pony99CA, Drop, or Crystal Eitle)

Why are you guys attacking this person? :| All they did was ask a WAY too vague question! And then he got into a major sulk and threw his rattle out of his pram.

Pony99CA
06-26-2003, 07:41 AM
Why are you guys attacking this person? :| All they did was ask a WAY too vague question!

Besides what hollis_f said, the problem wasn't just that he asked a vague question, but that, after nobody wanted to spend a lot of time writing a detailed step-by-step newbie WiFi guide, he threw a tantrum.

You have 46 MB of usable RAM. I have 83.5 MB (without any memory cards)
Unless the Axim X5 Advanced has changed, you don't have 83.5 MB of RAM. I think you're counting the Dell's built-in storage, which is Flash ROM, not RAM.

Steve

clinte
06-26-2003, 08:13 AM
Axim Lover, nobody here is going to type all of that into a post. If you had searched this site for setting wireless lan, you'd have found that Jason wrote a two-part article on that; here is Part 1 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2783) and here is Part 2 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2785).

If those don't help, there are already resources on the Web to help you set up and configure a network, so I'd search :google: for those.
Steve

That's a problem with a lot of people. There lack of dd and/or can't search for themself. Maybe it's lazyness!?

The lack of dd als0 counts for a lot of Wireless Articles by so-called tech experts. A lot of these articles are very short sited.

But what can we do about that?

:(

Pony99CA
06-26-2003, 08:29 AM
That's a problem with a lot of people. There lack of dd and/or can't search for themself. Maybe it's lazyness!?
Maybe I'm lazy, too (actually, there's no "maybe" about that), but I have no idea what a "lack of dd" means.

Steve

rhmorrison
06-26-2003, 08:34 AM
Why are you guys attacking this person? :| All they did was ask a WAY too vague question! Of course they should be told about the "search" function, but don't give them 40 lashes! :)

I think it's obvious...

He asks a totally vague question that would take signficant time to answer in any significant way and his second post is a FLAME of the whole forum - a real jerk if you ask me. :twak:

And by the way, thomas1973 :twisted: , the Axim X5 400 will BURY your 1910 in almost any benchmark!
I have to agree here, although the 19xx series is small and beautiful and the Axium X5 is big and clunky the Axium definately offers the most bang for the buck of any PDA currently on the market!

The new Gatway PDA looks very nice and has similar specifications to the Axium. Might be worth a look when they release it the end of July.

clinte
06-26-2003, 10:48 AM
Maybe I'm lazy, too (actually, there's no "maybe" about that), but I have no idea what a "lack of dd" means.

Steve

dd: Call it....to search and read information by yourself you want to know/have. Am lazy too, but it's very usefull to use search engines like google to find some info you want to know about.

JvanEkris
06-26-2003, 11:03 AM
i would like to thank you so much for replying on my first post which you didnt, i was in desprate need of help on buying my ppc, but thanks alot you didnt.

Axim Lover,

Keep in mind that this site is many things to many people, i.e.: a "please help" message board, a place to learn the in's and out's of various PPC's, a sounding board for reviews and opinions, an almost "real time" news board, etc....

It's a shame you didn't get the response or the speed of answer you expected, but I'd recommend two things (one of which was already suggested):

1. Search the extensive history of posts. It sounds like you did and maybe didn't find the exact info you were looking for and hey, that's cool. :way to go: Why not take what info you did get from the search and ask some follow up questions to get you over the remaining hurdles?

2. Remember what (in my opinion) this site is most of all: A COMMUNITY! :olympic: We all have the same interests here and the best way I know of to get the most out of the community is to treat people with respect and to contribute in a positive manner.

Again, just my 2 cents for what it's worth. As a fellow Axim-ite, I hope you've got your WiFi all set up.....

Peace!

KCTI partially agree with you. You may expect some independence of people, otherwise the forum would be trashed with people asking the same questions over and over again and again. Besides the fact that it is annoying, it stops the communit from progress: real frontier-breaking questions are missed because of the sheer volume of the "simple" questions.

On the other hand, we have to put ourselves in the position of the newbee. You're not familiar with the local technical terms, the possibilities etc. resulting in "being lost". Not knowing where to start, not knowing which terms are used (is it wireless lan or WiFi ???), it is almost impossible to find information. I tried it once on our own board, it is very difficult to find your way when you don't know your way. Although it is no excuse for expecting to be served within 24 hours (helping is a favour in my opinion) and complaining about it to the forum, i can imagine his frustration.

IMHO, One thing we could learn from this is that we have to post with the search function in mind. Include synonyms for the most important search-phrases, like Wireless Lan and WiFi.....

Jaap

thomas1973
06-26-2003, 12:14 PM
And by the way, thomas1973 :twisted: , the Axim X5 400 will BURY your 1910 in almost any benchmark! You're right that the Axim's plastic case feels cheap, but Dell had to use SOME cheap parts to get the price down. And calling it a brick? It's about as think as an iPaq 39xx.

--Your battery is 900 mAH. Mine is 1440 mAH, and I can use a high capacity battery, too.
--You have one SD slot, and it's not even SDIO! I have SD and CF.
--I've got 802.11b on my Axim. Now remind me again how you would get wi-fi on your iPaq??
--Your CPU is 200 Mhz, mine is 400 and can be overclocked to 500.
--You have 46 MB of usable RAM. I have 83.5 MB (without any memory cards)
--You paid $299 (probably), and I paid the same (with a $50 rebate).

You're saying that your economy car is better than an SUV just because it's smaller!

It seems like some people don't like the Axim because it's new, cheap, and doesn't have an "HP" stuck on it. Come on! :nonono:
This just goes to prove my point:
Just my opinion. I think the Axim is a brick - of plastic. Anyway, I've got an iPaq 1915, which many hardcore PPC'ers think is a sizzy's PPC, as the expansion posibilities are rather limitied - to say the least.
I've got a sizzy PPC, you've got a brick :D :wink: No hard feelings, right?!

(On the serious side, the Axim is an excellent machine, but as I really go after design, I chose the iPaq 1910. Despite it's performance shortcomings, I find it perfect for my use, just as you do with your Axim - which is performance wise a superior PPC with a great price. I'm happy with my sizzy PPC, and you're happy with your 'brick' Axim. All is good!)


Thomas.

Pony99CA
06-26-2003, 03:43 PM
I have to agree here, although the 19xx series is small and beautiful and the Axium X5 is big and clunky the Axium definately offers the most bang for the buck of any PDA currently on the market!

The new Gatway PDA looks very nice and has similar specifications to the Axium.
Write 500 times on the blackboard: "The Dell Pocket PC is the Axim, not the Axium." :razz: :-)

Steve

PetiteFlower
06-26-2003, 04:11 PM
Let's not turn this into yet ANOTHER my-Axim-is-better-then-your-1910 (or vice versa) debate ok!

Anyway when people assume that the other readers of this forum are OBLIGATED to answer all questions, regardless of complexity and regardless of whether the asker took any initiative to find the answer on their own, that's a problem. People here are volunteers and if you attack them for not being fast enough, you're not going to win any admirers. Be a little gracious and you'll get a better response. Show that you attempted to find the answer on your own and people will be more willing to help. Whining will get you NOWHERE. No one here works for you. Even the admins answer questions here as volunteers. I think Aximlover needs to grow up a little.

shawnc
06-26-2003, 04:49 PM
This site is the best - by far. 2nd place isn't even close. I have posted numerous questions that MANY folks courteously, and with humor and wit, responded to. I have also posted questions and gotten no response. People aren't OBLIGATED to help. But I can assure you of one thing, the best way to get help is not to pout and flame the entire community because no one met your rigid time frame.

My advice, stick around. We all benefit from more members. But you will benefit even more because this really is a great site.

Janak Parekh
06-26-2003, 05:06 PM
Let's not turn this into yet ANOTHER my-Axim-is-better-then-your-1910 (or vice versa) debate ok!
Agreed. Let's tone down the discussion a little, OK?

Back ontopic: we should always try to help users better, but people who post should also make some effort to state their problem concisely, and if it's not too hard, try a couple of searches. One of the most difficult things to do as an IT person, if you don't have experience, is cajoling a description of what's wrong with a customer's computer. "It doesn't work!" is the typical initial comment. Knowing how to get the precise details takes some work, but eventually makes it much easier for all concerned. :)

--janak

ux4484
06-26-2003, 05:56 PM
I'm not really a big supporter of you guys having a FAQ, but this is clearly one case where one comes in handy. Had you one, it would have been a cinch (without a search) to direct this (now gone forever) newbie to the FAQ to answer his question without much sweat on anyones part.

The problem is when you have the FAQ, the users get their info and probably never return again.....until they have another problem that is.

I don't know if the management crew feels that they want to be the swiss army knife of PPC-dom..........seems a change in style would be required to meet that end.......which would certianly change the current flavor of the site (for better of worse I couldn't say). You guys don't seem to be hand-holders, and while I certianly don't expect you to be........there are obviously newbies who feel put off by these type of tatics by members (not admin) who slam this type of post. Yes his gripe post is unreasonable, but when you see other users questions answered so quickly and completely in the same day..........You have to ask yourself why no-one bothered to answer his orginal question with a link to Jasons Wi-Fi articles instead of the slam-rant that followed his gripe.

Kudo's to SD Dave for answering his post.....albeit on the same day of his gripe post.

Janak Parekh
06-26-2003, 05:59 PM
I don't know if the management crew feels that they want to be the swiss army knife of PPC-dom..........seems a change in style would be required to meet that end
No, the real problem is that we need to implement the backend code to set up a FAQ, and we haven't had time to do it yet.

You guys don't seem to be hand-holders, and while I certianly don't expect you to be........there are obviously newbies who feel put off by these type of tatics by members (not admin) who slam this type of post.
I have to say, I've read a lot of boards, and this is amongst the most helpful I've seen. My 2 cents.

You have to ask yourself why no-one bothered to answer his orginal question with a link to Jasons Wi-Fi articles instead of the slam-rant that followed his gripe.
Well, as others mentioned, it's possible that it was just outright missed. If you look, every so often a post goes unanswered. We try not to let that happen, but we are human.

--janak

ux4484
06-26-2003, 06:13 PM
I have to say, I've read a lot of boards, and this is amongst the most helpful I've seen. My 2 cents.

Well, as others mentioned, it's possible that it was just outright missed. If you look, every so often a post goes unanswered. We try not to let that happen, but we are human.

--janak

Sorry janak, but when I compare helpful here to helpful at the old Wes run Buzz, there seems quite a difference......I've been spoilt.....But you are right.....NOW, this is one of the most helpful PPC sites.

Seems newbie requests are more often than mosts the ones that are "overlooked" or "missed" compared to questions from established users (IMO)......Yes I understand the benefit of answering one-hit-wonders are minimal, but (as in this case) he did bother to come back and gripe.

Crystal Eitle
06-26-2003, 06:15 PM
You have to ask yourself why no-one bothered to answer his orginal question with a link to Jasons Wi-Fi articles instead of the slam-rant that followed his gripe.
He had a misleading topic line. His topic was something like "which PPC should I buy," and then when you click on it you see that he's already made up his mind on which one, and is asking a question about how to set up a wi-fi network. The subject line was completely misleading. I was all ready to help with a response, but when I saw that the content was completely different from the subject line, I was annoyed and no longer felt inclined to help.

Janak Parekh
06-26-2003, 06:18 PM
Sorry janak, but when I compare helpful here to helpful at the old Wes run Buzz, there seems quite a difference......I've been spoilt.....But you are right.....NOW, this is one of the most helpful PPC sites.
I read and contributed to the Buzz all the time. I agree it was a good place to be, but we can probably debate ad infinitum over how much better it was or wasn't. Don't forget the simple questions that turned into Palm vs PPC debates all the time there, too.

Seems newbie requests are more often than mosts the ones that are "overlooked" or "missed" compared to questions from established users (IMO)......
Again, I really disagree with this. I've seen most newbie posts answered within an hour here. But it's not worth continuing to debate this point back and forth, we'll have to disagree.

--janak

Ekkie Tepsupornchai
06-26-2003, 08:52 PM
Well, I, for one, ignored the post when I saw the title. I had assumed to know what his question was and I also know that it's fairly typical for this question to be asked, especially during periods when new PPCs come out.

I guess I'm wondering if he's even bothering to read other people's posts or is he expecting that he should post his own question and wait for everyone to answer it?

So to summarize, on his first post, he places a title asking for the right PPC to pick, then proceeds to actually ask about detailed steps in setting up WiFi, and then on his second post, he sarcastically lashes out at everyone and then doesn't return?

Call me a mean person, but the only reaction I can give is... :roll:

rzanology
06-27-2003, 04:31 PM
BTW, I really think you screwed up on buying the Axim :lol:

Hey! Be nice!

Aximlover, I don't know if you noticed, but the site's been pretty busy the last couple days. Most people have been focused on the release of the new OS and the new hardware coming out. I'm sorry that no one answered your original question. I remember seeing it, but didn't feel compelled to answer it. Perhaps it wasn't specific enough? Also, there's plenty of existing Pocket PC information here and other places on the web. There is a lot to read out there, so a little research should have uncovered what you were looking for. No one is going to tell you what to buy.

That said, you can't really go wrong with an Axim. It has a lot of features for a good price, and with Axim offering upgrades for Windows Mobile 2003, you're not going to be left out in the cold on the OS.

I've gotten so much help on these forums for various PPC issues. If you didn't get the response you were looking for, perhaps you should look at how you asked the question.

That is correct!!!! BIG NEWS IN THE MAARKET MAAAAAAAAAN!!!! and you should have bought the 3970...not too late to make the trade :)

rzanology
06-27-2003, 04:43 PM
i would like to thank you so much for replying on my first post which you didnt, i was in desprate need of help on buying my ppc, but thanks alot you didnt.


you need a hug

Pony99CA
06-28-2003, 06:16 AM
You have to ask yourself why no-one bothered to answer his orginal question with a link to Jasons Wi-Fi articles instead of the slam-rant that followed his gripe.

As the person who did post the links to Jason's WiFi articles, I might be able to tell you why. I didn't post in the original thread because I don't recall having seen it. I don't look at all new posts; I only look at the home page and the Last Ten Posts section. That likely causes me to miss many posts, but I think I spend more than enough time here helping people. (Look at my post count and see. :-)) Trying to look at every new post would eat up way too much time.

As for why other people didn't post links to Jason's articles, maybe they didn't see (or remember) them, or maybe they couldn't find them. I think I'm one of the best at remembering things and posting links to them (in fact, there was a discussion about that in one thread (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13015&start=23) :-D).

Kudo's to SD Dave for answering his post.....albeit on the same day of his gripe post.
What, no kudos for me? :lol:

Steve

Pony99CA
06-28-2003, 06:23 AM
He had a misleading topic line. His topic was something like "which PPC should I buy," and then when you click on it you see that he's already made up his mind on which one, and is asking a question about how to set up a wi-fi network. The subject line was completely misleading. I was all ready to help with a response, but when I saw that the content was completely different from the subject line, I was annoyed and no longer felt inclined to help.
To be fair, I don't think the subject was misleading -- "Getting an Axim X5 advanced with Wi-Fi Card; 1st time PPC user" (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=124777). So the subject certainly implied he had decided on an Axim already.

It could have been better, like "Need help setting up WiFi in a Dell Axim", but the guy was from Syria, and perhaps not a native English speaker.

Anyway, he's gone, so I think we can stop beating this dead horse. :-)

Steve

Pat Logsdon
06-28-2003, 08:08 AM
Anyway, he's gone, so I think we can stop beating this dead horse. :-)
http://www.mybunny.org/images/dead_horse.gif

:mrgreen:

Pony99CA
06-28-2003, 09:25 AM
Anyway, he's gone, so I think we can stop beating this dead horse. :-)
http://www.mybunny.org/images/dead_horse.gif
Nice. :way to go:

Steve

Crystal Eitle
06-28-2003, 02:06 PM
He had a misleading topic line. His topic was something like "which PPC should I buy," and then when you click on it you see that he's already made up his mind on which one, and is asking a question about how to set up a wi-fi network. The subject line was completely misleading. I was all ready to help with a response, but when I saw that the content was completely different from the subject line, I was annoyed and no longer felt inclined to help.
To be fair, I don't think the subject was misleading -- "Getting an Axim X5 advanced with Wi-Fi Card; 1st time PPC user" (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=124777). So the subject certainly implied he had decided on an Axim already.

It could have been better, like "Need help setting up WiFi in a Dell Axim", but the guy was from Syria, and perhaps not a native English speaker.

Anyway, he's gone, so I think we can stop beating this dead horse. :-)

Steve
I think his post was edited and/or moved from what it was originally. I'm guessing maybe Stevdor moved it to the wireless forum and changed the title? But, as always, I could be wrong.

Steven Cedrone
06-28-2003, 03:22 PM
I think his post was edited and/or moved from what it was originally. I'm guessing maybe Stevdor moved it to the wireless forum and changed the title? But, as always, I could be wrong.

Nope, I never touched it...

Stevdor :wink:

Jerry Raia
06-28-2003, 04:02 PM
What were we talking about again?

umichboy
06-28-2003, 06:06 PM
Must have been that the iPaq 5450/5550 series is the coolest since it has both bluetooth and 802.11b built-in. (Not to mention the fingerprint scanner) It's such a great toy! Now if only it were in the same price range as the Axim... ;)

What were we talking about again?