HP iPAQ 5150 and 5550 Announced

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2003/ipaq/ds_h5100h5500.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/p..._h5100h5500.pdf</a><br /><br /></div>Hmm, I thought we had gotten this before, but oh well... better late than never. ;)<br /><br />"Continuing to deliver expansion capabilities, the powerful and flexible HP iPAQ Pocket PC h5500 series is a Microsoft Windows Powered PC designed to meet your handheld computing need for enhanced fingerprint security and wireless connectivity both in and out of the office. Gain competitive advantage through increased mobile productivity that allows you to communicate, access, and manage information when you want. A broad range of applications, integrated wireless capabilities, enhanced security and expandability make the HP iPAQ Pocket PC h5500 series essential for you to be productive at home, at work or on the go."<br /><br />The 5550 has a 400MHz PXA255 XScale, 128MB of RAM, integrated Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, a 3.8" transflective LCD, sleeve compatibility, and integrated biometrics. The 5150 has 64MB less RAM, no integrated Wi-Fi and no biometric reader for approximately $100 less. Interestingly, neither of them seem to have consumer IR (Nevo) -- perhaps HP believes that the 2200 covers the consumer niche and these don't need it? <br /><br />From what we've heard, on the other hand, the 5550 does have a substantial software bundle, including F-Secure FileCrypto, iPresenter, Jeode, MobiMate WorldMate, Resco File Explorer 2003, WestTek ClearVue Suite, and a bunch of other applications, which is cool. It's not clear how the 5150's bundle is different, just yet.<br /><br />Pics of the 5550 and the 5150 are attached. (If you want to see hi-res pics of any of the iPAQs, check out the <a href="http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2003/ipaq/">full HP press release page</a>. And when I say hi-res, I'm talking 4MB+ JPEG files. 8O)<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20030623-iPAQ-5500.jpg" /><br /><!><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20030623-iPAQ-5100.jpg" />

[entropy1980]

The 51xx looks like it's missing it's nose!!! :lol: 8O

[Reza]

Interestingly, neither of them seem to have consumer IR (Nevo) -- perhaps HP believes that the 2200 covers the consumer niche and these don't need it?
Do you mean the Nevo software is not bundled anymore or that the IR hardware has been downgraded?

[ctmagnus]

The 51xx looks like it's missing it's nose!!! :lol: 8O

Now thwt you mention it, the 5550 looks kinda like a four-eyed (no reference to glasses) character from a children's book. :wink:

[gorkon280]

I thought the 5550 was a 2002 device. Guess I was wrong! :) Great! This is what I am gunna get! Whoohoo! Like I said in a earlier thread..GPS ain't hugely important and I can live with out it for a while. Toshiba can go jump off a bridge. I mean the e740 is barely a year old! I mean that in saying I need to procure a CF to serial card for my Garmin. I ain't buying the sleeve or the BT GPS until it drops substantially.

[Janak Parekh]

Interestingly, neither of them seem to have consumer IR (Nevo) -- perhaps HP believes that the 2200 covers the consumer niche and these don't need it?
Do you mean the Nevo software is not bundled anymore or that the IR hardware has been downgraded?
Good question. I've seen various spec sheets, and none of them mention anything about consumer IR. It's possible the hardware is still there, just the software is missing, but your guess is as good as mine. ;)

--janak

[Janak Parekh]

The 51xx looks like it's missing it's nose!!! :lol: 8O
I don't know, I kinda like the 5150's look. The 5550, just like its predecessor, looks like it has a nose and a mustache. :lol:

--janak

[Deus]

128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM!
:lol:

[Monty Gibson]

Still isn't a one piece device. No phone, no sell.

[Jacob]

128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM!
:lol:

SOoOoo.... I take it you're gonna go for the 64Mb model? :mrgreen: :lol:

[pro_worm]

Does anyone know how gaming is on these monsters?

[Enderet]

Im guessing itll be similar if not better than the 2200s capabilities konrad. Thats if the 128 mb makes a diff.

[whydidnt]

I'm just wondering what the market for the 5150 will be. It seems to be a bigger version of the 2215 for more money without a CF slot :roll: :?: .

Whydidnt

[Jacob]

I'm just wondering what the market for the 5150 will be. It seems to be a bigger version of the 2215 for more money without a CF slot :roll: :?: .


It's just for the fact that all sleeves will work with the 5150.

Plus it has a bigger screen and battery.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Im guessing itll be similar if not better than the 2200s capabilities konrad. Thats if the 128 mb makes a diff.
I can't imagine why 128MB would make a difference in gaming unless you typically stuff RAM with nearly 64MB of programs and data.

[Christian]

I'm just wondering what the market for the 5150 will be. It seems to be a bigger version of the 2215 for more money without a CF slot :roll: :?: .

Whydidnt

I was wondering exactly the same thing. I know that the 221x doesn't have support for sleeves, but how many people really care given dual IO slots plus bluetooth?

[ichirorabbit]

Hey im gonna try to get one real soon... my pops works for HP so we shall see how fast i can obtain one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ctmagnus]

128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM! 128 mB RAM!
:lol:

SOoOoo.... I take it you're gonna go for the 64Mb model? :mrgreen: :lol:

That's the 64 million byte question! :mrgreen:

[KH]

Jackets are great when:
-you want to GREATLY increase the battery
-you want to use a LARGE PC storage card, >1GB
-you have a different life style at work than after work
- you carry your home-life IPAQ in a very small purse

I have had several IPAQs and have always liked the jacket model. However the technology has advanced, and the 2215 REALLY looks good. What I need now is an external battery pack to clinch the deal, even if I cant use my 2GB Kingston card...

[kinged]

I will be very disappointed if the 5555 will not have IR. I used NEVO almost every day. What are they thinking?

[ctmagnus]

If they included concumer IR in the hardware, they still have a week to throw it on the CD. But I'd much rather see it included in rom.

However, has anyone actually held one of these yet? If so, can they confirm either way?

[manywhere]

:jawdrop:

Maybe this will help me get one:
I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one... :lol:

Seriously, 128 MBs? I hope that it ain't another HP typo like the one about the Jornada screen color number, x number of years ago... :roll:


And hopefully the € will stay a bit stronger than the $ so that I can buy it for less... :twisted: Unless the EU Commission in Brushfir... err, Brussels does something stupid, 'cause then I might have to teach them about the importance of PPCs in the EU macroeconomy :twak:



"And I want more, more, more, more more!" - Artist: Kwan, Song: Everybody Want's To Be An MC

[Abba Zabba]

This device is still definately on my must purchase list. But about the consumer IR and the nevo, most likely since the 545x was touted to be the enterprise model as well, it also had those features. Assuming that (and you know when you assume :iamwithstupid: ) the 555x is just the next step of the 545x I would have to say that probably it will have consumer IR and nevo software native.

[Pony99CA]

I know that the 221x doesn't have support for sleeves, but how many people really care given dual IO slots plus bluetooth?
Those of us with GPS sleeves, for one.

http://www.svpocketpc.com/iPAQ3870-GPS-Small.jpg

Also, people with 5 GB PC Card drives, Sierra Wireless Air Cards or a need for various other PC cards or more than one CF card.

Steve

[Pony99CA]

I will be very disappointed if the 5555 will not have IR. I used NEVO almost every day. What are they thinking?
Probably that it's a business-only Pocket PC now that the 2215 is out. However, I will also be a bit disappointed if Nevo is gone. I hope they kept the consumer IR so that we can install a third-party remote control application and still get decent range, at least.

Steve

[Icekilled]

has anyone seen it available on Best Buy? Any one knows when it will be available (at bestbuy)?

[rmcadams]

Bought one at lunch at Best Buy... sweet little device. I had planned to get the 5555, but I'd rather have Nivo and CF card with small form factor than fingerprint scanner and 64 MB extra RAM. I had my admin assistant call around this morning... Circuit City has them too.

[achille]

[rmcadams]

Yes, 2215.

[ctmagnus]

Anyone know the release date? I read July 15 and June 30.

How about in Canada?

[kidA]

so, unless i'm missing something, the 5150 has the same guts as the 2200. bluetooth, no wifi, same OS, processor, memory configuration, etc, but has a slightly larger (hopefully removalbe?) battery, and presumably a much different software bundle. and this warrants a $150 price difference?

[Janak Parekh]

so, unless i'm missing something, the 5150 has the same guts as the 2200. bluetooth, no wifi, same OS, processor, memory configuration, etc, but has a slightly larger (hopefully removalbe?) battery, and presumably a much different software bundle. and this warrants a $150 price difference?
As has been mentioned here and elsewhere, sleeve compatibility and a larger display are the two things that the 5150 offer. I'd guess businesses with an existing iPAQ investment might want it.

--janak

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Though I've purchased the 2215 and don't regret that purchase, I do wish it had the 3.8" display size. I know this isn't a big deal to most, but it is something I still covet.

[Pony99CA]

so, unless i'm missing something, the 5150 has the same guts as the 2200. bluetooth, no wifi, same OS, processor, memory configuration, etc, but has a slightly larger (hopefully removalbe?) battery, and presumably a much different software bundle. and this warrants a $150 price difference?
As has been mentioned here and elsewhere, sleeve compatibility and a larger display are the two things that the 5150 offer. I'd guess businesses with an existing iPAQ investment might want it.

The correct way to look at this, I think, is that the 5150 has the same guts as the 5550, minus the WiFi, fingerprint reader, 64 MB RAM and 32 MB ROM. For that, you pay $100 less.

Personally, I think the 5550 is definitely worth the extra $100.

Another way to look at it is that the 5150 is similar to the 3970, but with a newer (faster) processor, a newer OS, a different directional pad, 32 MB less ROM and no Nevo remote control. Also, the 5150 lists for $50 less than the 3970.

Steve

[bmceachen]

Just verified... two hours after impatiently oredering one directly from HP

[ctmagnus]

This is a little late and I haven't read anything about it since it was brought up here, but according to HandHeldCanada (http://www.handheldcanada.com/Main.asp?D=%7B48192E43%2DF7B0%2D4552%2D9C86%2D6640C08BFCF8%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=HP0076), it does have Nevo (or similar).

[Pony99CA]

This is a little late and I haven't read anything about it since it was brought up here, but according to HandHeldCanada (http://www.handheldcanada.com/Main.asp?D=%7B48192E43%2DF7B0%2D4552%2D9C86%2D6640C08BFCF8%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=HP0076), it does have Nevo (or similar).
And according to HP's 5550 FAQ (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wpa/vac/genPage.do?vacpage=pocketpc/faq_h5550.vad&wf=WF05a&segment=sm&country=us〈=en&fpoid=215348-64929-215381-314903-215381-322916#cir), it doesn't.

Why was the Nevo application removed from the iPAQ Pocket PC h5100/ h5500 series products?
The iPAQ Pocket PC h5150 and h5550 products are targeted at our business customers that don't value the NEVO capability. HP believes the Nevo application to be of great value and is better suited with our iPAQ Pocket PC h2200 series.

I assume what you're referring to is the line:

Integrated Universal Remote Control
That's ambiguous, because they didn't specifically mention Nevo. I suspect they really meant that it had Consumer IR (which it does), not Nevo. That guess is confirmed when HP says that the 5550 has "universal remote control (CIR)".

Steve

[ctmagnus]

This is a little late and I haven't read anything about it since it was brought up here, but according to HandHeldCanada (http://www.handheldcanada.com/Main.asp?D=%7B48192E43%2DF7B0%2D4552%2D9C86%2D6640C08BFCF8%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=HP0076), it does have Nevo (or similar).
And according to HP's 5550 FAQ (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wpa/vac/genPage.do?vacpage=pocketpc/faq_h5550.vad&wf=WF05a&segment=sm&country=us〈=en&fpoid=215348-64929-215381-314903-215381-322916#cir), it doesn't.

Why was the Nevo application removed from the iPAQ Pocket PC h5100/ h5500 series products?
The iPAQ Pocket PC h5150 and h5550 products are targeted at our business customers that don't value the NEVO capability. HP believes the Nevo application to be of great value and is better suited with our iPAQ Pocket PC h2200 series.

I assume what you're referring to is the line:

Integrated Universal Remote Control
That's ambiguous, because they didn't specifically mention Nevo. I suspect they really meant that it had Consumer IR (which it does), not Nevo. That guess is confirmed when HP says that the 5550 has "universal remote control (CIR)".

Steve

Darn. And I wanted a universal-universal remote. I hope they'll include it a softpaq or similar.

[Pony99CA]

Darn. And I wanted a universal-universal remote. I hope they'll include it a softpaq or similar.
I was hoping that the 5550 would include Nevo, too. However, unless HP changes their mind, I wouldn't count on a SoftPaq.

I sent an E-mail to Universal Electronics (http://uei.com), maker of Nevo, asking if they plan to release an installable version for the 5550 (if not all Pocket PCs). I'll let you know what I hear.

Steve

[bmceachen]

This weekend I installed the TV remote controller from www.pdawin.com on my 5550. I never had a 5450 so I cannot fairly compare the two devices. However the 5550 IR hardware sucks according to my standards... I was unable to power my TV on/off from more than 5 feet (trying every possible angle. None of my devices were listed in the software's defaults so I needed to use the recording function. My range did not extend past 5 feet for any of my devices (DirecTv, DVD, VRC, TV).

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

This weekend I installed the TV remote controller from www.pdawin.com on my 5550. I never had a 5450 so I cannot fairly compare the two devices. However the 5550 IR hardware sucks according to my standards... I was unable to power my TV on/off from more than 5 feet (trying every possible angle. None of my devices were listed in the software's defaults so I needed to use the recording function. My range did not extend past 5 feet for any of my devices (DirecTv, DVD, VRC, TV).
That doesn't sound like a Consumer IR class device... I know I can easily stand at least from 10-12 from my TV to operate it using my iPaq2215.

[Pony99CA]

This weekend I installed the TV remote controller from www.pdawin.com on my 5550. I never had a 5450 so I cannot fairly compare the two devices. However the 5550 IR hardware sucks according to my standards... I was unable to power my TV on/off from more than 5 feet (trying every possible angle. None of my devices were listed in the software's defaults so I needed to use the recording function. My range did not extend past 5 feet for any of my devices (DirecTv, DVD, VRC, TV).
I don't know much about the details between the IR on most Pocket PCs and Consumer IR, but maybe PDAWin's remote software is programmed to work with regular IR, not Consumer IR.

Let's hope someone with a 5450 and Nevo can tell us the range they get.

Steve

[JonnoB]

I don't know much about the details between the IR on most Pocket PCs and Consumer IR, but maybe PDAWin's remote software is programmed to work with regular IR, not Consumer IR.


The PDAWin software does support the 54xx and 39xx CIR module. It was posted before that the 55xx does NOT have CIR. Mostly because it is assumed that the 55xx class device is for the enterprise and the 22xx series is for the consumer. It is such an inexpensive option - silly IMO that they would drop it literally taking a step backwards and defeaturing the device from its 54xx predecessor.

[Pony99CA]

It was posted before that the 55xx does NOT have CIR. Mostly because it is assumed that the 55xx class device is for the enterprise and the 22xx series is for the consumer. It is such an inexpensive option - silly IMO that they would drop it literally taking a step backwards and defeaturing the device from its 54xx predecessor.
I know that the 5550 doesn't have Nevo, but did they actually remove the CIR hardware, too?

I agree that this is short-sighted, too. For a long time, sleeve-compatible iPAQs were the only ones available, and supported both home and business applications. Why do they now assume home users wouldn't want Nevo and built-in WiFi -- especially with the growth of WiFi networks at home?

Steve