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Jason Dunn
06-23-2003, 07:03 AM
I really tried, but I wasn't able to completely my iPAQ 2215 review for tonight. I've had a heck of a weekend, including getting only two hours of sleep last night because our 12-week old puppy has <a href="http://www.cah.com/library/kennekcough.html">kennel cough</a>, and trying to coordinate all this Windows Mobile 2003 news hasn't left me with enough time to get the review finished. Oh yeah, and I got a huge blister on my finger from playing bass a little too energetically at church this morning before hanging from a ladder for 30 minutes filming a baptism service. What a day! 8O <br /><br />I'll give you two things to take the edge off your appetite though. The first is this picture:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ipaq2215-keyboard.jpg" /> <br /><br />Yes, that's right, the iPAQ 2215 works with the new Stowaway XT keyboard! That makes it the lightest and smallest mobile office yet.<br /><br />The second bit of info relates to the performance of the iPAQ 2215 (higher numbers are better):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/jason-june03-ipaq2215-12-big.gif"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/jason-june03-ipaq2215-12.gif" /></a> <br /><br />The above shows how much faster the iPAQ 2215 is, with the combination of Windows Mobile 2003 and the PXA255 XScale processor, than previous iPAQs. Don't let anyone tell you that Windows Mobile 2003 is "just a bug fix" - this new OS is tuned for blazing performance! Stay tuned for the full review tomorrow.
Foo Fighter
06-23-2003, 07:05 AM
Great googly moogly that's fast! 8O :jawdrop:
AhuhX
06-23-2003, 07:06 AM
oh my lordy! 8O
People with 2215's are reporting that it's finally possible to play SNES games at a full speed with sound, so it's confirmed. The 2200 series FLYS!
Enderet
06-23-2003, 07:06 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
nightmare
06-23-2003, 07:07 AM
WOW!!! Good lord! Now that is what I wanted to see!
Foo Fighter
06-23-2003, 07:07 AM
Stay tuned for the full review tomorrow.
You just love toying with our emotions, don't you? By the way...IT IS TOMORROW! :wink:
Crystal Eitle
06-23-2003, 07:07 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
Oh, we've got articles lined up clear through 'til next morning. 8)
T-Will
06-23-2003, 07:07 AM
Sweetness! I thought we weren't going to see a performance increase or XScale optimization until the 2004(5?) version of Pocket PC.
entropy1980
06-23-2003, 07:08 AM
I have my hands on a 2215, and let me say it's unbelievably fast.... we are talking speed demon!!! Pocket Bible opens crazy fast even between books, and even large chapters almost never see a spinning beach ball....IE renders so incredibly fast i thought stuff was in cache... cleared it and let me say IE alone is worth the price of admission!!! :D
AhuhX
06-23-2003, 07:08 AM
I'd just like to add that all the butt kicking consumers rightly gave MS and Intel over the whole XScale fiasco has obviously produced results!
T-Will
06-23-2003, 07:09 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
Oh, we've got articles lined up clear through 'til next morning. 8)
Who gets the job of staying up all night to post those?
entropy1980
06-23-2003, 07:09 AM
oh my lordy! 8O
People with 2215's are reporting that it's finally possible to play SNES games at a full speed with sound, so it's confirmed. The 2200 series FLYS!
Yes I can confirm 24 FPS with sound on many games, 14.7 FPS on Pocket Quake!!! With some tweaks i think Pocket SNES can be even faster too!!
nightmare
06-23-2003, 07:09 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
I think it just means no 2215 review for now.
But keep the updates coming! I'll be up for a while...
Jason Dunn
06-23-2003, 07:11 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?]
Much more news & cool stuff coming, just no 2215 from me until later today....much later today. Me is tired...zzz.....sleep....
ricksfiona
06-23-2003, 07:11 AM
It's getting tougher and tougher to decide: New p.c. or IPAQ 5550! I can only imaging the speed difference between my 3870 and a new 5550. Currently, it takes 1 minute, to start TransACT! 2.0 and open my database. I have three questions:
1) Performance marks for the 2215 and 5550 should be about equal?
2) If data throughput is about 5x faster, looks like my TransACT! app will open and run in about 12 seconds vs 1-minute on my 3870?
3) Is PPC 2003 a free download? Or am I just thinking funny thoughts from sleep deprivation? :mrgreen:
entropy1980
06-23-2003, 07:13 AM
Jason any idea when SPB will be updating Pocket Plus to work? i am dying for it on my 2215....
Crystal Eitle
06-23-2003, 07:14 AM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
Oh, we've got articles lined up clear through 'til next morning. 8)
Who gets the job of staying up all night to post those?
Wouldn't you like to know... :ninja:
ikesler
06-23-2003, 07:14 AM
that 2200 series is looking better and better..... I know I said it before but it REALLY is now!!!!!! :D
jornadaholic
06-23-2003, 07:16 AM
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/jason-june03-ipaq2215-12.gif
ladys and gentlemen star your engines
Dave Conger
06-23-2003, 07:16 AM
1) Performance marks for the 2215 and 5550 should be about equal?
They should likely be similar as they utilize similar components as well as the PXA255 and PPC 2003. The 5550 has more internal memory, so this assumes the same program memory is allocated.
2) If data throughput is about 5x faster, looks like my TransACT! app will open and run in about 12 seconds vs 1-minute on my 3870?
More or less. It could be doing more or less that Pocket Word requires (which was the test Jason quotes).
3) Is PPC 2003 a free download? Or am I just thinking funny thoughts from sleep deprivation? :mrgreen:
Maybe. HP hasn't released an upgrade path. ViewSonic has stated that if you purchased a device in the last 30 days the upgrade is free...after that there is a minimal charge.
bdeli
06-23-2003, 07:16 AM
3) Is PPC 2003 a free download? Or am I just thinking funny thoughts from sleep deprivation? :mrgreen:
No it will not be free...
Dave Conger
06-23-2003, 07:18 AM
No it will not be free...
Where did you hear that? In the past, Compaq (so likely now HP) based the price on when you purchased your device...just like ViewSonic is planning to do.
MoelBrain
06-23-2003, 07:21 AM
Now I just need to sell my Axim and iPAQ 3630 and convince my dad to let me spend all my money on it.
ricksfiona
06-23-2003, 07:24 AM
That's cool. If it's a minimal charge (~$20) or so, I can live with that... A minor speed increase, better stability, ability to use Bluetooth and TransACT! at the same time would be very nice.
ethancaine
06-23-2003, 07:29 AM
Two questions:
1) Should we expect similar results on similar systems by other manufacturers? i.e. Dell Axim 400/255.
2) Has ANYONE heard anything solid from Dell about their plans to release this?
bdeli
06-23-2003, 07:34 AM
No it will not be free...
Where did you hear that? In the past, Compaq (so likely now HP) based the price on when you purchased your device...just like ViewSonic is planning to do.
They might do so for people who have purchased an iPAQ or Viewsonic in the last few weeks - but up to my knowledge HP did not market their iPAQ's with a free PPC2003 upgrade lately.
Dave Conger
06-23-2003, 07:36 AM
2) Has ANYONE heard anything solid from Dell about their plans to release this?
One of Dell's support staff (Rollie) stated on the Dell community support board that he has a Pocket PC 2003 Axim, and it sounds like it is still the X5. This doesn't mean an update will be available, but it would be possible. Chances are Dell will make a statement later in the day.
Dave Conger
06-23-2003, 07:38 AM
They might do so for people who have purchased an iPAQ or Viewsonic in the last few weeks - but up to my knowledge HP did not market their iPAQ's with a free PPC2003 upgrade lately.
For the ViewSonic, it is in the last 30 days or next 90 days. The iPAQ 3600 series had a large window (I think) for PPC 2002. HP hasn't made a statement about an upgrade, though if they do release one, it is likely not everyone would have to purchase it...so for some it would be free.
bdeli
06-23-2003, 07:42 AM
For the ViewSonic, it is in the last 30 days or next 90 days. The iPAQ 3600 series had a large window (I think) for PPC 2002. HP hasn't made a statement about an upgrade, though if they do release one, it is likely not everyone would have to purchase it...so for some it would be free.
Hopefully HP will - I am still waiting for some news if there will be an upgrade for the iPAQ 38xx series.
entropy1980
06-23-2003, 07:45 AM
For the ViewSonic, it is in the last 30 days or next 90 days. The iPAQ 3600 series had a large window (I think) for PPC 2002. HP hasn't made a statement about an upgrade, though if they do release one, it is likely not everyone would have to purchase it...so for some it would be free.
Hopefully HP will - I am still waiting for some news if there will be an upgrade for the iPAQ 38xx series. According to Ignespda.net HP will only be upgrading the 39xx and 54xx... but I guess we will wait and see.... O2 has said they are releasing 2003 for XDA.... so thereis hope for PPCPE owners....
bdeli
06-23-2003, 07:54 AM
According to Ignespda.net HP will only be upgrading the 39xx and 54xx... but I guess we will wait and see.... O2 has said they are releasing 2003 for XDA.... so thereis hope for PPCPE owners....
Seems that somebody managed to copy or mod a PPC 2003 ROM onto a 38xx. There is a heated/flaming discussion going on brighthand (http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=f4b1a71e862d4f7986d3746b31eda70c&threadid=80764) whether it is for real.
Robert Levy
06-23-2003, 07:55 AM
Hurray to Microsoft for their performance enhancements, hurray to HP for putting together such a fast device, and hurray to SPB for finally creating a form of benchmarks that we can use to compare devices quantitatively! I can't wait to see what other benchmark data Jason has cooked up using this program
Jonathan1
06-23-2003, 08:12 AM
Well that tares it...I've gotta mug someone for their new iPaq ;)
Screw your wallet....Give me your PDA!!!
JonnoB
06-23-2003, 08:43 AM
A message from Dell to the outside sales reps concerning 2003
**Pocket PC 2003 Launch on Axim X5**
**McAfee Virus Protection Launch on Axim X5**
Sales teams: Skus will be turned on 6-23
Regions Affected: Americas
Systems Affected: Axim X5 300 MHz / 400MHz Clemente
Recommendation: All Customers should transition to PPC ’03 on 6-23. Customers who purchased their Axim prior to May 24th can order PPC ’03 upgrade Kits – Skus and Legend Codes are detailed below
Factory Tied Legend Code(s) and Sku(s) for PPC ‘03:
SKU Legend Description List Price Lead Times
221-3325 AXM3003 PPC ’03 300Mhz (English) $199 (with Cable) 10 Days
221-3326 AXM4003 PPC ’03 400Mhz (English) $325 (with Cradle) 10 Days
310-4208 EXKBD External Foldable Keyboard $69 10 Days
310-4209 SOKYBD Snap-On Foldable Keyboard English $39 10 Days
310-4210 TMCF TM1180 802.11b CF Card $69 10 Days
310-4211 TMBT TM300 Bluetooth CF Card $69 15 Days
410-0164 MAVS McAfee Virus Scan $19 10 Days
Sku(s) for PPC ’03 Upgrade
SKU Legend Description List Price Lead Times
310-4214 n/a PPC03 Upgrade (English) $29 20 Days
Customer Kit Changes for PPC’03
SKU Legend Description List Price Lead Times
310-4216 n/a TM1180 802.11b CF Card $69 10 Days
310-4217 n/a TM300 Bluetooth CF Card $69 15 Days
310-4218 n/a External Foldable Keyboard $99 10 Days
310-4219 n/a Snap-On Foldable Keyboard English $49 10 Days
HURRAY !!!!!!!!!!!! Hurrah !!!! Diddly dee !!!!
Now, somebody please try Mastersoft Money and Billable Buddy from Mastersoft Mobile Solutions (me). They have always been dog slow thanks to the lousy 250 chip. Please, please tell me ... do they fly ?
Thanks
Dom (desperately scurrying around Liverpool looking for a 2003 device LOL).
pro_worm
06-23-2003, 10:03 AM
Yup, its official, Dell is getting the upgrade - just check this cnet article:
http://msnbc-cnet.com.com/2100-1045_3-1019831.html?type=pt&part=msnbc&tag=alert&form=feed&subj=cnetnews
:evil:
Just spoke to a UK retailer who said they expect the new iPaqs "at the end of summer". What a joke.... these "staggered" releases really wind me up !
Dom
pocketpcdude1024
06-23-2003, 03:29 PM
MMM im confused...does this mean no more articles this night? Or just no 2215 review?
Oh, we've got articles lined up clear through 'til next morning. 8)
Who gets the job of staying up all night to post those?
Wouldn't you like to know... :ninja:
They are already posted, but are set to go off in the future. 8) That means that even though all the juicy info is uploaded to the site, everyone will have to wait until the time that the post was set at rolls around! :wink:
darrylb
06-23-2003, 07:07 PM
HURRAY !!!!!!!!!!!! Hurrah !!!! Diddly dee !!!!
Now, somebody please try Mastersoft Money and Billable Buddy from Mastersoft Mobile Solutions (me). They have always been dog slow thanks to the lousy 250 chip. Please, please tell me ... do they fly ?
Thanks
Dom (desperately scurrying around Liverpool looking for a 2003 device LOL).
I expect there will be no problems. It is based on the .Net Compact framework, which ships with the OS and which should also get some performance enhancements due to its OS enhancements. :)
ctmagnus
06-23-2003, 09:21 PM
HURRAY !!!!!!!!!!!! Hurrah !!!! Diddly dee !!!!
Now, somebody please try Mastersoft Money and Billable Buddy from Mastersoft Mobile Solutions (me). They have always been dog slow thanks to the lousy 250 chip. Please, please tell me ... do they fly ?
Thanks
Dom (desperately scurrying around Liverpool looking for a 2003 device LOL).
I hope to get a 5550 asap and will try BB on it then.
Big thanks ! Be great to hear that .NET flies. Really disappointed that Microsoft have put an "export" block on these devices. I can't even order one from the US as they are not allowed to export them to the UK. Streuth :0)
Dom
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