HP Has New iPAQs For Sale On Website...

[Crystal Eitle]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13230&highlight=' target='_blank'>http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/for...3230&highlight=</a><br /><br /></div>...Sort of. Don't go starting a stampede - the new iPAQs (H2210, H1930, H1940, H5550, H5150) are listed under the "education" section of the site - there's no direct link to any of these products as of yet. The information is sparse in some instances - there is virtually no information whatsoever regarding the specs of the 2210, and the pictures haven't been updated - but clicking around on some of the other devices yielded some information as to their specs.<br /><br />To get there, follow these links from <a href="http://www.compaq.com">www.compaq.com</a>: Government & Education > k12 Education: How to buy > k-12 Education Store > handhelds > hp ipaq Pocket PC.<br /><br />A few tidbits:<br /><br />• The H1930 supports SDIO and looks to be priced at $244<br />• The H1940 has integrated Bluetooth and is priced at $293<br />• The H5550 is priced at $636<br /><br />They all come with Pocket PC 2003, with HP going for two different versions, "pro" for the 1930 and 1940, and "premium" for the 5550 and 5510.

[rbryan]

Followed link and it allowed me to enter a credit card. Although I'm a teacher, it didn't require any special check.

I didn't submitt order though because there was seemingly no mention of shipment date- plus I'd like to see pricing of the 2200 series first.

[TomB]

This will be interesting: The 1940 with a 266MHz Arm would THEORETICALLY be 30% faster than the 2210 with the 400MHz XScale chip (if all other considerations were the same). The potential problem - poor battery life. I wonder whatever made HP go with completely different processors? Maybe this is a legacy of Jornada development?

[Zathras]

I've been thinking how funny it would be if the 266mhz Samsung chip kicked the 400mhz X-Scale's butt. That would also make HP's low end 1945 faster than its flagship 5550 :)

[Pony99CA]

• The H1930 supports SDIO and looks to be priced at $244
• The H1940 has integrated Bluetooth and is priced at $293
• The H5550 is priced at $636

The links I posted had different prices, perhaps because I chose a school district near me that has negotiated a lower price. They were:

1930 -- $222
1940 -- $267
2210 -- N/A
5150 -- $490
5550 -- $579

Steve

[possmann]

very cool - but I am still waiting for a better PPCPE to come along. I am so sick and tired of carrying around two devices....

*sigh*

[guinness]

Anyone else notice the H5150? HP is becoming like the Sony of the PPC world, a model to fill just about every segment,

http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=963&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No

(I doubt the link will work though)

[Kati Compton]

The 5150 seems to be a 5550, but with 64MB RAM instead... ROM may be different too, I don't remember the specs exactly.

[JoshB]

The 5150 seems to be a 5550, but with 64MB RAM instead... ROM may be different too, I don't remember the specs exactly.
Does anyone else hear Van Halen in their head when you read about the 5150?

"It's 5150 time!"

:D

[mja8105]

This will be interesting: The 1940 with a 266MHz Arm would THEORETICALLY be 30% faster than the 2210 with the 400MHz XScale chip (if all other considerations were the same).

all the reports i've read show that PPC2003 will be optimized for xscale. funny how hp would switch to a non-optimized processor...

[larryh]

I found waht looks like a funny error on HP's part - if you follow through to the 5550 and click on 'Choose Options' and then 'View Base Characteristics' it specs out as follows: (If only it was true :lol: :lol: )

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB and th, Cord Length (approximate):

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz F, Battery Type:

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB and the HP, System Interface:

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB and th, Technology: High-speed, low-power, short-range, Power: 3.3V ± 5% Peak current - typical TX current at approximately 140 mA, Device Type: Class II device; up to 4 dBm transmit, typical 10 meter range, Specifications: 1.1 compliant (2.4-GHz Industrial Scientific Medical Band), User Interface: Bluetooth Manager, Bluetooth: Integrated, Connector: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Cable: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Stylus Holder: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Stabilizing Tab Release Button: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., DC Jack Connector-AC Adapter: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Base Extension: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Depth (English/Metric):

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB , Width (English/Metric):

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB , Length (English/Metric):

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB, Display Type:

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB and the HP, Resolution: 240 X 320, Dot Pitch: 0.24 mm, Viewable Image (WxH):

• Four Intel® Xeon™ MP Processors at 1.50GHz/1MB Processor, up to 8 supported (populated in groups of 4) with 400MHz FSB an, Number of Colors: 64K color (65,536 colors) 16-bit, FLASH Memory: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Standard RAM: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Memory Type: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-site Coverage - 3yrs., Processor Type: 6 Hr. Call to Repair - On-s

[whydidnt]

This will be interesting: The 1940 with a 266MHz Arm would THEORETICALLY be 30% faster than the 2210 with the 400MHz XScale chip (if all other considerations were the same). The potential problem - poor battery life. I wonder whatever made HP go with completely different processors? Maybe this is a legacy of Jornada development?

Can you explain the 30% faster theory? I understand the that the bus speed is that much faster, but the faster Mhz of the XScale comes into play for some processes, doesn't it?

I would guess there may be two factors in the selection of the Samsung. The first being cost, I don't know the pricing structures for these chips, but this is HP's low-end unit, so I'm sure they're looking to cut component costs as low as possible. 2nd, perhaps HP wanted to eliminate the overclocking potential that many exposed on the 1910.

I know I am sure curious to see how all of these benchmark before jumping in. The GREAT :clap: news IMO is that they all offer a Bluetooth option.

Whydidnt

[pschultz]

I know that the 19xx series connector is flipped upside down from the 38xx, 39xx, 5xxx series, but if I had a cable that I use to connect to my 38xx series, could I still use that with the 19xx series?

[Crystal Eitle]

The GREAT :clap: news IMO is that they all offer a Bluetooth option.

I think the H1930 doesn't have Bluetooth (which is why it's so cheap). But it's still an improvement over the 1910 as it is SDIO-compatible.

[AndrewLubinus89]

Hey, who cares? This lowers the wonderful-beautiful ipaq 1910 to a mere nothing!!! I can get it now!! :D

[Reza]

Does anyone else hear Van Halen in their head when you read about the 5150?

"It's 5150 time!"

:DYeah! It would be cool if the 5150 came in Eddie's trademarked red black and white stripped pattern! :D

http://www.classicvanhalen.com/images/gallery/The_Gallery/Eddie_Van_Halen/ed8415.jpg

[Dave Conger]

It looks like HP may have pulled the information as it now states...
There are no products available for the selected contract. Please choose a different contract or if you have any issues please call 1.800.607.3567 or email us at [email protected].
when you attempt to click on the five unreleased device names.

[TomB]

Mja8105, Microsoft went on the record both at Brighthand and Passion last year saying there would be no XScale optimizations for at least three more chip generations or about the year 2005. This information was delivered several times by Derek Brown of Microsoft and later backed up by a MS VP.

As far as a 266MHz Arm chip potentially performing 30% faster than a 400MHz XScale, X was a new chip architecture with terrible performance. There were literally hundreds of threads on this about a year ago, mostly at Brighthand with a few here too. After waiting for XScale for over two years, it turned out to be one of the biggest dissapointments in the history of PDAs. That was partially because it never performed up to expectations and partially because Microsoft refused to support it.

[mmidgley]

pdadave wrote:
> It looks like HP may have pulled the information

I just looked up the 5550 in the educational area discussed in this thread, and the info is still there:

Part No. : FA107A#8ZQ
iPAQ Pocket PC H5500
XScale 400MHz
Pocket PC 2003 Premium
128MB RAM
1250 mAh Lithium-lon
Transflective TFT display

m.

[Janak Parekh]

I know that the 19xx series connector is flipped upside down from the 38xx, 39xx, 5xxx series, but if I had a cable that I use to connect to my 38xx series, could I still use that with the 19xx series?
Speaking about the 1910: if it's USB or power, then yes, the 38/39/54 cables work. Not for serial, though.

--janak

[pschultz]

I know that the 19xx series connector is flipped upside down from the 38xx, 39xx, 5xxx series, but if I had a cable that I use to connect to my 38xx series, could I still use that with the 19xx series?
Speaking about the 1910: if it's USB or power, then yes, the 38/39/54 cables work. Not for serial, though.

--janak
When you say serial, that includes data cables, correct?

[Ivan]

I'm also eager to know whether it has serial support... I hope HP does not cripple serial support in the connection port like they did with the 1910.

If it supports serial, that will make it a killer device for me as I would be able to connect it to my Sprint phone (LG 5350) for wireless Internet access and also connect an external (non IR) keyboard. Let's not forget SDIO... :multi:

Can you imagine that? Serial support, SDIO, built-in bluetooth and one of those upcoming dual SD memory/WiFi cards all in that small package. Wow!

[Will T Smith]

Anyone else notice the H5150? HP is becoming like the Sony of the PPC world, a model to fill just about every segment,

http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=963&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No

(I doubt the link will work though)

PocketNow is speculating (due to dissapearing inventory) that the 39xx series will be eliminated shortly. It's good that HP has a nice variety of choices now. However, too many choices will string out a companies resources for development and service (ala Mid 90s Apple).

[Will T Smith]

Mja8105, Microsoft went on the record both at Brighthand and Passion last year saying there would be no XScale optimizations for at least three more chip generations or about the year 2005. This information was delivered several times by Derek Brown of Microsoft and later backed up by a MS VP.

As far as a 266MHz Arm chip potentially performing 30% faster than a 400MHz XScale, X was a new chip architecture with terrible performance. There were literally hundreds of threads on this about a year ago, mostly at Brighthand with a few here too. After waiting for XScale for over two years, it turned out to be one of the biggest dissapointments in the history of PDAs. That was partially because it never performed up to expectations and partially because Microsoft refused to support it.

If there are no forthcoming X-Scale optimizations in PocketPC, why is everyone switching OVER to X-Scale. Remember that a 400Mhz X-Scale runs EXACTLY the same speed as the venerable 206Mhz ARM without those optimizations. If there are to be NO X-Scale optimizations, why would a vendor spend MORE money:
1) Updating their systems to using X-Scale in the first place.
2) Paying for a 300Mhz vs 400Mhz version of the processor.

I'd like to further point out that the beta PPC2003 dev kits only allow compilation to 2003 devices.

I think the "NO X-Scale plans" is probably a ploy on Microsoft's part to keep people buying PocketPC. FUTHERMORE, an X-Scale policy will generate upgrades with users who wish to fully exploit the capabilities of their device. An "Arm-Only" upgrade may have a larger audience, however, with no significant performance of functional enhancements, why buy the upgrade????

The industry is behaving EXACTLY as it would if X-Scale optimized PocketPC was in the pipeline. If it's not in the pipeline, they're all pretty F****N stupid. Why upgrade hardware for 0% performance improvement???

[Kati Compton]

I believe that part of the XScale improvement is in power consumption

[Pony99CA]

If there are no forthcoming X-Scale optimizations in PocketPC, why is everyone switching OVER to X-Scale. Remember that a 400Mhz X-Scale runs EXACTLY the same speed as the venerable 206Mhz ARM without those optimizations. If there are to be NO X-Scale optimizations, why would a vendor spend MORE money:
1) Updating their systems to using X-Scale in the first place.
2) Paying for a 300Mhz vs 400Mhz version of the processor.

Besides Kati's comment about power savings, the PXA255 with the 200 MHz bus will hopefully show an improvement in speed. There was much speculation (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5432) that the 400 MHz XScale PXA250 only ran about as fast as the 206 MHz Strong ARM because the former had a 100 MHz bus while the latter had a 103 MHz bus.

Steve

[Monty Gibson]

Still not a converged device? Forget it.

[Janak Parekh]

When you say serial, that includes data cables, correct?
Correct, the 1910 will not support a serial data cable. It should support a USB one, though.

--janak

[freeway680]

someone at brighthand posted the link for ordering the new ipaqs
they do have a complete spec for all models

http://www.davesipaq.com/index.shtml

if you read the details of the 2210 and 1940, you will notice this,
the 2210 battery last up to 12 hr/ charge and 1940 only last upto 8 hrs. How could this be? 2210 use 400mhz xscale and 1940 use samsung 266mhz. Doens't really make sense to me. Do you think the 255 version of 400mhz xcale could make such a different in battery life?

[Mark Johnson]

Does anyone know if the Intel ARM and the Samsung ARM will require different applications? It would be a pain to go back to the days when you needed MIPS, SH3, and ARM binaries for each program...

[Fishie]

Does anyone know if the Intel ARM and the Samsung ARM will require different applications? It would be a pain to go back to the days when you needed MIPS, SH3, and ARM binaries for each program...

Nope, both are ARM so there shouldnt be any incompaitibility isseus