HP has new Ipaqs for sell on website-5 june 03

[wiljs]

http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/SubFamilies.asp?ProductLineId=6&FamilyId=950&oi=E9CED

[wiljs]

so before you break your arm filling out an order form...you have to be a teacher or student or have one in the house...

:D

[EvilOne]

The site does not come up for me at all. Which model is/was it?

[wiljs]

(as well as the older ones): iPAQ H2210, iPAQ H1930, iPAQ H1930, iPAQ H1940, iPAQ H1940, iPAQ H5550, and iPAQ H5150

You can also go to this link:

http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/stateselection.asp?oi=E9CED&page=state&dest=store

click on a state and when the next page loads choose a link

:)

[Pony99CA]

(as well as the older ones): iPAQ H2210, iPAQ H1930, iPAQ H1930, iPAQ H1940, iPAQ H1940, iPAQ H5550, and iPAQ H5150

You can also go to this link:

http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/stateselection.asp?oi=E9CED&page=state&dest=store

click on a state and when the next page loads choose a link

Wow, after playing with these a little, I got the following:

iPAQ 1930 (http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=960&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No)
iPAQ 1940 (http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=961&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No)
iPAQ 2210 (http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=953&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No)
iPAQ 5150 (http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=963&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No)
iPAQ 5550 (http://gem.compaq.com/gemstore/ctobases.asp?ProductLineId=6&SubFamilyId=962&nTab=2&familyID=950&DisplayType=N&BuyIt=N&CSource=&hot=No)

The pictures are obviously not correct, but they have some specs. :-)

You should submit this as a news item.

Steve

[dcharles18]

I can't get any of these links to work, and I've tried from both at home and at work :(

[EvilOne]

I just tried them here from work and nothing happens.. So anyone that can access them mind posting the specs on the 55xx series?

[msprague]

The links above don't work for me either, they must be session specific.

I was able to get there by following these links from www.compaq.com
Government & Education
k12 Education: How to buy
k-12 Education Store
handhelds
hp ipaq Pocket PC

[EvilOne]

Yeah, that works. Now I see them. Hmm, 5550 seems a little expensive, I thought it was going to be only $599. Oh well, wait and see I guess.

[Crystal Eitle]

I'd like to put this on the front page, but I can't get any of the links to work either....

EDIT: Whoops! didn't see mspragues post above. I'll try this again....

[lurch]

Well I noticed that you can add the 1930 and 1940 to your cart, as well as the 5500, but you couldn't add the 2200... so I noticed that when you added them to your cart the URL used an ID to identify what you were adding... and I noticed that all of the above had IDs close to eachother (except the 2200 of course). So I tried ID numbers from 12200-12265 to see if the 2200 was in there somewhere, just with no link :mrgreen: but alas, it appears as if those iPaq's are "surrounded" by service plans... I think by the time I was done I had > $250,000 in my cart from Linux server warranties and service agreements. :)

Oh well, it was worth a shot, right????

[darius779]

so before you break your arm filling out an order form...you have to be a teacher or student or have one in the house...

:D

Does preschool count? :wink:

Daniel

[Deus]

Could this be a gag? I thought the new 5550 was going to have the faster bus? No mention of this here???

[Dave Conger]

I thought the new 5550 was going to have the faster bus? No mention of this here???

Chances are all new XScale devices will use the PXA255 processor instead of the PXA250, which will have the higher bus speed.

[darrylb]

Well I noticed that you can add the 1930 and 1940 to your cart, as well as the 5500, but you couldn't add the 2200...

I live in New Zealand, and was talking to the NZ HP mobility product manager last week who said that the 2200 series will be released slightly later here in NZ. He indicated mid to late Q4 :(

[neccessary]

iPAQ 1940/1945 Similar to current 1910 but now includes Bluetooth and features an SDIO expansion slot. HP is even stating that an SD Wireless card will be an accessory. Samsung (2410) 266MHz processor. Transflective 3.5" Screen (64k colors). 4.37 ounces. 64MB SDRAM (56MB Main Memory, up to 14MB Filestore). 900mAh Li-Ion battery (not swappable).

iPAQ 2210/15 New Model. Features both a Compact Flash type I/II and Secure Digital Slot. Soft Touch sides for an ergonomically comfortable feel and slip free grip. Integrated bluetooth. Optional 802.11b wireless LAN card (CF). 3.5" (64k) transflective screen, 240x320 resolution, 64MB SDRAM (56MB Main Memory). 900mAh Li-Ion swappable battery. Pocket PC 2003 edition, SD/MMC/SDIO Support. USB Desktop cradle/charger.

iPAQ H5500 Series: Similar to current H5450/55. 128MB Memory (Up to 20MB iPAQ Filestore). Compatible with existing expansion packs and other iPAQ accessories. F-Secure FileCrypto Data Encryption and Xcellenet Afaria Device Management. Pocket PC 2003 Premium Edition. Print directly to an HP Printer. 802.11b wireless LAN and Bluetooth. 7.29 ounces. 1250mAh Li-Ion Polymer removable/rechargeable battery. Docking cradle. Optional 2500mAh Li-Ion battery available as accessory. A new holster with belt clip is included. USB Desktop Cradle/charger.

iPAQ 2200's and iPAQ 5500's will start shipping this month. Prices will be $399 and $649 respectively. The iPAQ 1940/45 will ship in July at $299.


Enjoy!

[freeway680]

someone at brighthand posted the link for ordering the new ipaqs

http://www.davesipaq.com/index.shtml

if you read the details of the 2210 and 1940, you will notice this,
the 2210 battery last up to 12 hr/ charge and 1940 only last upto 8 hrs. How could this be? 2210 use 400mhz xscale and 1940 use samsung 266mhz. Doens't really make sense to me. Do you think the 255 version of 400mhz xcale could make such a different in battery life?

[Gremmie]

Well, this depends on what Pocket PC 2003 supports in its processing code. The new XScales are not only faster but they are also more efficient and power effective. This is not supported in the current OS (ARM v5 vs. ARM v4.5 [i think]); if PPC OS 03 supports the former, it makes sense because the XScale is more power efficient than the ARM processor.

[Pony99CA]

someone at brighthand posted the link for ordering the new ipaqs

http://www.davesipaq.com/index.shtml
One thing I noticed when I looked at Dave's description of the iPAQ 5550 (http://www.davesipaq.com/5550desc.htm) was that you no longer got the Cover Pack; instead, they're giving you a holster and belt clip.

Steve

[Kati Compton]

I thought the new 5550 was going to have the faster bus? No mention of this here???

Chances are all new XScale devices will use the PXA255 processor instead of the PXA250, which will have the higher bus speed.
It's a pretty safe bet to say that the 5550 at least will have the PXA255.

[EvilOne]

It's a pretty safe bet to say that the 5550 at least will have the PXA255.

And one can only hope for more than that! Otherwise, just buying the flash upgrade to the next OS would be the best bet for the 54xx series..

[Kati Compton]

It's a pretty safe bet to say that the 5550 at least will have the PXA255.

And one can only hope for more than that! Otherwise, just buying the flash upgrade to the next OS would be the best bet for the 54xx series..
Well, from the specs I've seen floating around it's PPC2003 and has 128MB RAM, 48MB ROM. Bluetooth & WiFi.

[Gremmie]

Hopefully the WiFi stacks will be more stable.

[Pony99CA]

It's a pretty safe bet to say that the 5550 at least will have the PXA255.
And one can only hope for more than that! Otherwise, just buying the flash upgrade to the next OS would be the best bet for the 54xx series..
Well, from the specs I've seen floating around it's PPC2003 and has 128MB RAM, 48MB ROM. Bluetooth & WiFi.
I think EvilOne meant the 5550 should have more than just the PXA255 compared to the 5450 plus the Pocket PC 2003 upgrade. The 5450 already has 48 MB ROM, Bluetooth and WiFi, so the only new things appear to be the PXA255 and 128 MB RAM.

Steve

[EvilOne]

Yes, that is what I meant. If they are just introducing a new line with such minor changes (CPU and RAM) then I will just have to wait and see what else is going to be released. The 2200 looked real good until it became known that it is only 64MB (56 usuable). Oh well.

[Pony99CA]

Yes, that is what I meant. If they are just introducing a new line with such minor changes (CPU and RAM) then I will just have to wait and see what else is going to be released.
I'm curious what more you expected? It will have the fastest CPU available, the most RAM in a stock Pocket PC, the most ROM in a Pocket PC, Bluetooth, WiFi and the newest OS.

The only thing it won't have is a CompactFlash slot, but that's a given to keep it compatible with sleeves. Well, it doesn't have the kitchen sink, either. :-D

Steve

[Gremmie]

Yes, that is what I meant. If they are just introducing a new line with such minor changes (CPU and RAM) then I will just have to wait and see what else is going to be released. The 2200 looked real good until it became known that it is only 64MB (56 usuable). Oh well.

Something you may wanna consider as this approaches is the effectiveness of the new processor and the fact the new OS may better support the XScale code. If the new OS supports the XScale code the processor improvement would be two-fold.

[Hyperluminal]

Yes, that is what I meant. If they are just introducing a new line with such minor changes (CPU and RAM) then I will just have to wait and see what else is going to be released.
I'm curious what more you expected? It will have the fastest CPU available, the most RAM in a stock Pocket PC, the most ROM in a Pocket PC, Bluetooth, WiFi and the newest OS.

The only thing it won't have is a CompactFlash slot, but that's a given to keep it compatible with sleeves. Well, it doesn't have the kitchen sink, either. :-D

Steve
I can see what he means. The only improvements the 5555 will have are the newer CPU, which they had to include since the old one was discontinued, and 128 MB of RAM. It may be the best (feature-wise) PPC, but it's not that much different than the old one...

[Pony99CA]

I can see what he means. The only improvements the 5555 will have are the newer CPU, which they had to include since the old one was discontinued, and 128 MB of RAM. It may be the best (feature-wise) PPC, but it's not that much different than the old one...
I understand that, but that just means that the 5450 was so packed with features. :-D Of course, the 5550 will also have Pocket PC 2003, but presumably the 5450 can be upgraded with that.

If you have a 5450, I agree that upgrading might not be worthwihle. However, for someone with an older Pocket PC, I think it sounds like an excellent machine. I'll definitely consider buying that as an upgrade to my 3870.

So I'll ask again -- what more do you want?

Steve

[dcharles18]

To top that off, if these places listing it for preorder are correct, then all this is being offered at a price $50-$100 less than what the 5450 presently sells for.

[EvilOne]

Yes I agree that the 54xx is packed with alot of features. I was just comparing the 55xx to the 54xx. They really did not do much. Added double the RAM and more ROM, yes they also upgraded the processor (because they had to). Well, having built in CF slot would have been nice. I guess overall it is a good device. They aren't breaking the way it looks so that it can fit with a long line of add-ons.

But basically the 55xx is just a minor update to the 54xx series.

[D.psi]

I was just comparing the 55xx to the 54xx. They really did not do much. Added double the RAM and more ROM, yes they also upgraded the processor (because they had to).

Throughout this discussion stream, no one has thought of the potential for the upgraded data bus. If the new 255 processor is used explicitly, we can only hope that they've upgraded the memory bus to 200 MHz to match the processor's capability. If this has been done, then there's your upgrade reason. Double speed access to your memory mapped devices = better system performance, never minding the improvements in PPC 2k3.

D.psi

[D.psi]

I thought the new 5550 was going to have the faster bus? No mention of this here???

Chances are all new XScale devices will use the PXA255 processor instead of the PXA250, which will have the higher bus speed.

Just adding the new processor does not guarantee that its faster bus capabilities will be used. Just look at the many reports of 1910's being deployed with the 255 processor. These have marginal speed improvements (no new bus), but the latest chip.

I would hope that any manufacturer boasting the 255 processor would improve the memory bus speed to match the processor's capabilities but this is not guaranteed. Upgrading the motherboard to use the faster bus speed may or not be a trivial issue; there may be bus tracking issues with the board, and chipset modifications required to work against the faster bus speeds. At the very least you might consider that it will have the improved power consumption of the 255.

D.psi

[Hyperluminal]

I understand that, but that just means that the 5450 was so packed with features. :-D Of course, the 5550 will also have Pocket PC 2003, but presumably the 5450 can be upgraded with that.

If you have a 5450, I agree that upgrading might not be worthwihle. However, for someone with an older Pocket PC, I think it sounds like an excellent machine. I'll definitely consider buying that as an upgrade to my 3870.

So I'll ask again -- what more do you want?


You're right, the 5455/5555 is really packed with features. But like EvilOne said, after 6 months, not much has changed.

What do I want?

For starters, a built-in digital camera. If not in that model, then in another one-- they can be very useful. I'd also like a thumbboard (only if it's integrated well, which can be hard with a big screen), and of course a high res screen. Or make it smaller/lighter, but still with the dual wireless and the big screen. Or a flip cover. ;)

Basically, I just want them to innovate with their products, or at least more than they are now. The 5555 is pretty similar to the 5455, which mainly just had WiFi and the fingerprint recognizer over the 3975, which was pretty close to my 3835, which was pretty similar to the 3650. I mean, the 5555 is a very nice device, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're changing enough per release. Especially when they're competing with Sony, and now even Palm. They simply seem to be innovating faster.

Maybe I'm just being picky, but what I really want to see is a company to release something like the iPaq 3650. Something that just improves upon everything, leapfrogs the competition, and sets the standard for the market. And I don't expect every product update to be that way; there's nothing wrong with some incremential updates, and they don't have to be as "dramatic" as the 3650, but I just want them to show some bold innovation, which they don't seem to have done in a while.

[Pony99CA]

Basically, I just want them to innovate with their products, or at least more than they are now. The 5555 is pretty similar to the 5455, which mainly just had WiFi and the fingerprint recognizer over the 3975, which was pretty close to my 3835, which was pretty similar to the 3650. I mean, the 5555 is a very nice device, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they're changing enough per release. Especially when they're competing with Sony, and now even Palm. They simply seem to be innovating faster.
For that innovation comment, you have to read my iPAQ Innovation Rant (http://www.garlic.com/~svvg/svvgppc.html#THOUGHT_COMPAQ_INNOVATION).

Let's look at the 5450. It was the first Pocket PC (maybe the first PDA) with both WiFi and Bluetooth and the only Pocket PC (and maybe the only PDA) with a fingerprint scanner. Those are two pretty big things.

The 3975 isn't really that close to your 3835, either. The list of differences is fairly extensive:

The XScale processor
Bluetooth
48 MB ROM
a transflective screen
Consumer-level IR and the Nevo remote
SDIO support
a far better backup program

If you don't like the high-end iPAQ evolution, consider the new iPAQ 2200, which is where their newest design is.

Steve

[hollis_f]

The 3975 isn't really that close to your 3835, either. The list of differences is fairly extensive:

The XScale processor
Bluetooth
48 MB ROM
a transflective screen
Consumer-level IR and the Nevo remote
SDIO support
a far better backup program


[list]
An Xscale processor that's just as slow as the 3870's Strongarm.
BT is on the 3870 (let's compare apples with apples)
Big ROM. Which is useful - how?
OK, this is the biggy. 3970 screen is much better
Does anybody really use this?
If there were useable cards out there.
Which I had on my 3850 (although I did have to pay for it. Then again, I had to pay for the 3970 as well).

[Hyperluminal]

Yeah, like hollis_f said, the 3970 was better, but besides the screen, the differences just didn't amount to that much, in my opinion.

Although, maybe I really am being picky. They do seem to have innovated at, or faster than, the rate of the market.

Still, this is my thinking:
After the 3650, I thought Compaq would use their huge lead over everyone else to their advantage. While their competetors would simply be catching up, Compaq, I thought, would be going ahead, releasing either another groundbreaking device, or at least one that kept their advantage. That's why I was shocked to see that the 3850 was, feature for feature, almost exactly on par with everyone else's PPCs. I mean, everyone else was catching up, so Compaq did much less, just to stay above water. Then I assumed that the 3800 was simply an intermittant upgrade, with the big one coming later. The 3900 turned out to be a disappointment too. It really just wasn't that much better, at least in my opinion. Then the 5400 comes out, and while it does show some true innovation, it's still very similar to the 3900.
Don't get me wrong; they have made a lot of advances. But they've just been moving slower, and seemingly innovating less, than companies like Sony (with the flip screen, built-in thumbboard and soft input panel, high res screen, camera, etc.).

[Pony99CA]

The 3975 isn't really that close to your 3835, either. The list of differences is fairly extensive:

The XScale processor
Bluetooth
48 MB ROM
a transflective screen
Consumer-level IR and the Nevo remote
SDIO support
a far better backup program



An Xscale processor that's just as slow as the 3870's Strongarm.
BT is on the 3870 (let's compare apples with apples)
Big ROM. Which is useful - how?
OK, this is the biggy. 3970 screen is much better
Does anybody really use this?
If there were useable cards out there.
Which I had on my 3850 (although I did have to pay for it. Then again, I had to pay for the 3970 as well).
NOTE: I took the liberty of closing your LIST tag to make this more readable.

While the XScale's speed was a disappointment, if you get better battery life, it's still a positive.
I'm well aware Bluetooth was on the 3870 -- I have one, after all. However, Hyperluminal compared the 3970 with his 3835, so I was showing him the differences between the 3970 that he mentioned and his Pocket PC. Comparing the 3970 to a Pocket PC he doesn't have seems foolish.
48 MB ROM means a much larger iPAQ File Store.
Hey, you at least agreed with one of my points. Yippee!
There seem to be at least four people using Nevo (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7685).
Do you remember how many people whined about the 3800 series not supporting SDIO? Did you see how many people were hoping the 1910 would support SDIO?
I know you can buy it, but with the newer iPAQs, you don't have to.

Steve

[spursdude]

Steve - I understand all your points, but I agree with the others that those changes between the 3800 series and the 3900 series were nothing spectacular. They were basically expected upgrades that HP was almost obligated to do. Adding more space or upgrading the processor isn't really innovative - we all could have expected that to happen. Nobody was really surprised when the 3900 specs came out.

Part of the "cool" thing Sony has done is doing stuff nobody would have expected a Palm OS device to have, i.e. high-res screen or digital camera or clamshell design.

[Hyperluminal]

Yep, like spursdude said, that's basically what I mean. The 3900's updates were basically the run-of-the-mill upgrades, that they'd be expected to make in the next version. Sony really surprised everyone with their innovation and sheer originality in design. They also didn't let more than a few months go by without releasing an update, which I know some people didn't like, but it showed that they weren't lazy.

[Pony99CA]

Steve - I understand all your points, but I agree with the others that those changes between the 3800 series and the 3900 series were nothing spectacular. They were basically expected upgrades that HP was almost obligated to do. Adding more space or upgrading the processor isn't really innovative - we all could have expected that to happen. Nobody was really surprised when the 3900 specs came out.

While the XScale and SDIO were expected, I don't think the transflective display was. I also don't think that the conumer IR and the Nevo remote were expected, nor do I think the expanded iPAQ File Store (48 MB ROM) was.

Yes, adding more space isn't really "innovation", but it's still a change between the two models. People have been complaining that Pocket PCs seem to have been stuck at 64 MB for a while, yet now people are saying the 5550 having 128 MB is dull. Come on.

Part of the "cool" thing Sony has done is doing stuff nobody would have expected a Palm OS device to have, i.e. high-res screen or digital camera or clamshell design.
I agree -- Sony is doing some very cool stuff. I especially like the twist screens, the built-in thumb boards and the 2 megapixel camera (with flash).

That may make the Pocket PC world look tame, but don't take it out on HP alone. Name one company that has produced more new ideas in Pocket PCs the last year or two than Compaq/HP.

Steve