PPC 2003 to iPaq 39xx & 54xx, 19xx left in the cold...

[thomas1973]

There's an ongoing review of Pocket PC 2003 on http://www.inges-pda.net/blogg.html. Today Inge announced that HP will be releasing PPC 2003 upgrades for their iPaq 3900 and 5400 series, but not their 1900 series :evil: :cry:

That probably means there will be a 32 MB ROM min. for upgraders.


Thomas.

[bdeli]

No mention of an upgrade for the 38xx series - they also come with 32MB of ROM.

[thomas1973]

Maybe you'll need an x-scale processor as well?

Thomas.

[Chris Spera]

If you remember the 3600 upgrades, there was a great deal of concern regarding what would fit and would not fit in the 16MB ROM the 3600's used. A number of enthusists from a number of different sites voiced their concerns in this regard; and suggested a number of different combinations for what should have been included in ROM and what should have been a RAM upgrade.

I think in order to stem that debate from resurfacing, the 32MB ROM limitation may have been introduced. I could be wrong, tho. This is just a guess...

I do believe that eventually, read the NEXT update, 395x's will no longer be included. I really think that the ROM will exceed the 32MB limit in the 3950's and 3955's, meaning a 48MB ROM will be required.

however, I wouldn't be surprised if the 5450/55 is dropped from updates AFTER PPC 2003. There are so many issues with Wi-Fi in this unit. I have no idea if they ARE in fact all driver and memory related; or if there is some hardware based constraint contributing to the problem(s).

Its just a fact of life unfortunately... At some point, all devices will be dropped from active support. I AM surpised to see the 1910 dropped from this update. I really thought HP might try to give customers the update they were asking for.

Kind Regards,


Christopher Spera

[Chris Spera]

No mention of an upgrade for the 38xx series - they also come with 32MB of ROM.

don't count on an update for the 3800. they don't sport an XScale processor and wouldn't benefit from the updates anyway. (at least that is my understanding of the tech details behind PPC 2003... An XScale processor is required this time.)

the 3800 is 2x over obsolted (3900's AND 5400's). Hoping for an update for them is a pipe dream in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong; but I'll really be surprised if HP comes up with a 3800 PPC 2003 Update.


Kind Regards,


Christopher Spera

[Crystal Eitle]

I AM surpised to see the 1910 dropped from this update. I really thought HP might try to give customers the update they were asking for.

No kidding!

I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I don't care, because I'm going to get a new Pocket PC once the new ones come out this summer anyway.

On the other hand, this seems like a bad deal for 1910 owners. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this machine has been out for less than a year! Talk about instant obsolescence :devilboy: . Also, this will probably seriously impair the retail value if I want to re-sell the 1910. Heck, even if I give it to one of my family members or friends, I'd like to be able to upgrade it with the latest software.

(On the other hand [I think I'm up to, what, three hands now?], I'm pretty happy with PPC 2002. I haven't had any problems with it, and it does what I want it to do. So maybe this chasing after the latest and greatest is an illusory quest.

Nah. :wink: )

[GingerTommy]

*IF* there is an update for the 38xx series, is there anything significantly different from the 376x that would prevent an upgrade for these units?

[thomas1973]

I AM surpised to see the 1910 dropped from this update. I really thought HP might try to give customers the update they were asking for.
this seems like a bad deal for 1910 owners. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this machine has been out for less than a year! Talk about instant obsolescence :devilboy: .
Tell me about it! The iPaq 1915 became available in Denmark 2 weeks ago :evil: :evil: :evil: !

I'm pretty happy with PPC 2002. I haven't had any problems with it, and it does what I want it to do. So maybe this chasing after the latest and greatest is an illusory quest.

Nah. :wink: )
I know exactly how you feel :lol: I'll be getting the new iPaq through a friend of mine who's going to the states this summer. I'm happy with my 1915 as it is, but that kind of fades away when I know there's something better out there...

I really hope HP come out with a PPC 2003 upgrade, or at least have the decency to give us an explanation why they put PPC's on the marked without an upgrade for the OS that's released 2 weeks later :devilboy: I mean, it's not like they didn't know...


Thomas.

[lurch]

For everything I've heard (and BTW, I'm a Jornada owner), PPC2003 is not going to be a significant change from PPC2002, it'll just be, as my friend put it, "PPC2002 done right". So unless there's a major change (and not just a new name with some bug fixes behind it) - and I mean major - I don't see how it's going to be a big deal.

But I forget the company I'm surrouned with sometimes - people who want
the latest and greatest
:)

[bdeli]

No mention of an upgrade for the 38xx series - they also come with 32MB of ROM.

don't count on an update for the 3800. they don't sport an XScale processor and wouldn't benefit from the updates anyway. (at least that is my understanding of the tech details behind PPC 2003... An XScale processor is required this time.)

the 3800 is 2x over obsolted (3900's AND 5400's). Hoping for an update for them is a pipe dream in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong; but I'll really be surprised if HP comes up with a 3800 PPC 2003 Update.


This sucks big time. I got my 3850 1yr and 3months ago and spent $1200 CAD on it (other than a nice collection of sleeves etc). I do not find that an upgrade will not follow justifiable together with no upgrades for the 1900 series iPAQ's.

These pda's do not cost $99 like the Zire so I DO expect to get an upgrade.... :devilboy:

[thomas1973]

I don't see how it's going to be a big deal.

But I forget the company I'm surrouned with sometimes - people who want
the latest and greatest
:)
Yeah, what the heck are you doing in this discussion?!? :wink:

I guess the upgrade isn't revolutionary, but it has some nice features. Read more on http://www.inges-pda.net/blogg.html. But I would really like to have an OS more optimized for my X-scale processor! It never hurts to speed up your PPC! Come on HP?!?

Thomas.

[Chris Spera]

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this machine has been out for less than a year! Talk about instant obsolescence.

I know of what you speak. The same thing happened to the Toshiba e310, tho a lot of clammouring from Jason and other enthusiast site MVP's must certainly have moved them to produce EUU2 as well as EUU3.

Looks like we may have to do that again, Jason (et all). Is your armour still battle ready?

Kind Regards,


Christopher Spera

[Chris Spera]

These pda's do not cost $99 like the Zire so I DO expect to get an upgrade.... :devilboy:

Not to be snippy; but don't count on it. Upgrades are done based on (in this case) HP's continued ability to make money from the install base (i.e. current ownders), as well as new customers...and that's the key.

Since the 1910 was recently discontinued in favor of the 1915 and the 2200 series, its doubtful that the numbers support the upgrade.

BUT, if you read my post directly above, a lot of b*tching to Toshiba changed their tune regarding e310 updates for EUU2 and EUU3. They were initially planning to publish NEITHER for the e310. A lot of people complained to Toshiba, and they published both updates.

We need to do this again for all of the 1910 owners!


Kind Regards,


Christopher Spera

[thomas1973]

Since the 1910 was recently discontinued in favor of the 1915 and the 2200 series, its doubtful that the numbers support the upgrade.
The 1915 is exactly the same machine as 1910, just the European version, so the 1910/1915 has not been discontinued!

And as I wrote earlier, the 1915 was just released in Europe, so it's bad karma for HP if they don't provide some sort of 2003 upgrade...

The 2200 series is not a replacement for the 1900 series, and HP is said to be releasing a new 19xx this summer. There is a new iPaq released in Asia along the 1910/1915 lines, in the asian version 1920, which has the same specs, aside from 32 MB ROM(!) http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11491_div/11491_div.HTML.


Thomas.

[kidA]

come on hp!
seriously though, i'm not too concerned for a few reasons. for one thing, it's probably not a big difference from PPC 2002. plus i'll probably get a 2200.
on the other hand, i can't imagine that hp released the 1910 only 6 months ago and the 1915 just weeks ago in europe knowing that the devices wouldn't be upgradeable. for the upgrade, they could always leave more stuff out like they did for PPC 2002 on the 1910. things like pword and pexcel could easily be taken out of the ROM. plus if this new OS isn't much different than PPC 2002, it probably doesn't have a much larger footprint.

[xoiph]

I sure hope the 1910 doesn't become obsolete. Maybe I should sell on eBay and get my $250 while I still can. On a totally different note, does anyone else think the black trim on the sides and top of the new iPAQ 19xx looks cheesy? I like the current silver trim better.

[spursdude]

I sure hope the 1910 doesn't become obsolete. Maybe I should sell on eBay and get my $250 while I still can. On a totally different note, does anyone else think the black trim on the sides and top of the new iPAQ 19xx looks cheesy? I like the current silver trim better.
Like lurch already mentioned, PPC 2003 is most likely not going to be something revolutionary, so I expect that it won't leave PPC 2002 devices "obsolete." Obsolete implies that the device is so old that nothing will work on it, and that's it's almost to the point of uselessness. That's basically not true with the 1910 - it will still work very well as it does now.

[xoiph]

My previous post might have been a little confusing, maybe this picture will clarify things a bit:

http://www.bargainpda.com/assets/1343.gif

That's a picture of the 1930/40 from the FCC site, notice the black trim :wink:

[xoiph]

Yeah, I guess I don't mean "obsolete". Thanks for catching that spursdude, I can sleep easier now :mrgreen: