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Jason Dunn
02-27-2003, 06:00 PM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.samsungelectronics.com/pda/nexio.html' target='_blank'>http://www.samsungelectronics.com/pda/nexio.html</a><br /><br /></div>The HPC Lives! Sort of. 8O This is a sweet looking device! The specs are below, but this animated GIF speaks for itself...and I think the Pocket PC OEMs could learn a few things from what Samsung has done here.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.samsungelectronics.com.hk/pda/images/nexio-main.gif" /><br /><br />• 5" Wide Transflective Color LCD<br />• 800 X 480 WVGA TFT (64K Colors)<br />• Intel PXA250 400MHz<br />• Microsoft Windows CE .NET (4.1)<br />• 128MB DRAM / 64 Flash ROM<br />• Lithium Polymer Battery (1500mAh)<br />• CFII Slot, Sync, Connector &amp; VGA out Port<br /><br />Price-wise, it's HK$ 7,180.0 which is about $934 US dollars. A little expensive, but not too bad consider the technology in this thing.

Mojo Jojo
02-27-2003, 06:06 PM
I have to say that it looks very nice. I would trade some compactness for that screen size and resolution... I seem to carry my current PDA in a bag anyways.

Question is... is there a hope that it is (will be) available in the States?

st63z
02-27-2003, 06:07 PM
Refresh my memory, can someone post the physical dimensions?

uvahoos
02-27-2003, 06:12 PM
Samsung's site is here (includes dimensional specs): http://www.samsungelectronics.com/pda/nexio.html


Kinda funny that weight-wise it's on par with my old Jornada 548! :)

RickP in AZ
02-27-2003, 06:18 PM
Droooooooooooooooooool D'Oh!

Thanks a lot Jason for risking ruining my second MS Natural Keyboard in a month. The first fell victim to coffee and this one was almost killed by saliva!

This thing is sweet! Heck, I just want the screen! 5" of screen real estate to use transcriber on would be wonderfully luxurious. But the cost plus the niche status if WinCE versus the popularity of the Pocket PC "OS" gives me pause.

Why oh why can't we get the crispy resolution of the Sony N-series screen with on the fly portrait to landscape switching? The rumors are that floating around about the next version of Pocket PC are promising but the resolution is still the same. (No, I'm not opening that debate again.)

Paragon
02-27-2003, 06:18 PM
Wow!

Here we all are pushing for PPC 2003, 640x480 screens, heavier versions of Word and Excel....and Pocket PC is continually being blown out of the water with hardware innovations. This is why I have been saying forget that stuff, it will all happen. BUT hardware??? We are all still holding the same basic hardware we were when the HP 540 and it's friends hit the market........Come on OEMs get off your butts and SHOW ME THE HARDWARE :)

Dave

sub_tex
02-27-2003, 06:23 PM
That price is a killer.

Way too high for a portable.

This is a reason why it's so easy to say that HPC/WinCE devices don't do well.

They cost twice as much as their PPC brothers do.

...........But i still want this device. :D

danmanmayer
02-27-2003, 06:32 PM
i would really like one of these.... the only thing would be throw in some built in wifi for that cost. This is a sweet looking device that is finally pushing the limits pass the ipaq of 2000 which is basically the same with a few updates.

Cracknell
02-27-2003, 06:34 PM
Anybody realize that this unit is almost the size of h5450? and WVGA screen too. wow. Of course the darned thing cost a grand too.

schwuk
02-27-2003, 06:37 PM
the only thing would be throw in some built in wifi for that cost.

Follow the link at the top of Jason's article...

Built-in WLAN(802.11b) Module , Wi-Fi Certified

ombu
02-27-2003, 06:38 PM
What's the software 'out of the box'? if there's any.

Regards

dazz
02-27-2003, 06:42 PM
I would LOVE to have one of these but also feel it is too expensive.

I think businesses could easily justify the cost. It is comparable to low-end notebooks but with the OS on ROM, no hard-drive problems/limitations, VERY long battery life, desktop sync, etc. I think these make a LOT of sense for companies with mobile people.

For personal use, if you've got the bucks, why not!!

Darren

brntcrsp
02-27-2003, 06:53 PM
I would not hesitate to call this a laptop killer. i have a feeling that this little guy to rival the tablet pc's. But, it all comes down to the availability software.

Being a dev this isn't exactly the platform for me, but it fills the gap of a mobile device that could be used for pretty much every other field.

shawnc
02-27-2003, 06:55 PM
Now that I understand that Pocket Word & Pocket Excel mean.....well, I still don't understand what they mean :roll: , I would not consider spending this kind of money for a machine that still doesn't allow clean synchronization between handheld and desktop.

It's a great looking machine, but until I can edit documents on my PPC and move those changes to my desktop w/o massive formatting loss, I will be holding on to my dollars.

jizmo
02-27-2003, 06:57 PM
I wouldn't never trade size for resolution. PPC has to fit in one's palm. If it doesn't, it isn't palm-sized PC anymore.

/jizmo

dazz
02-27-2003, 07:00 PM
shawnc,

You are like a lot of people in this regard. The loss of the power features of the desktop is not acceptable. BUT...there are a LOT of people that only ever use the basic Word features and this would be fine with them.

Having said that, I DO feel MS should beef up Pocket Word and Excel with a little more muscle.

Could this be part of the announcements we will see for PocketPC 2003?

Darren

julianfong
02-27-2003, 07:15 PM
[Image edited out because it was broken - Geocities doesn't allow remote linking. - Moderator]

A little Picture for your reference.


The screen is excellent.
I've try using this toy for streaming online and radio.
It works perfectly.

One more thing to say is the battery. Even you switch the Wireless on.
It stay more than you though !!

Julian

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:20 PM
I HAVE THIS DEVICE. its larger than a PPC but nowhere near a laptop size. screen is nice and tight but not as vivid as my ipaq 3975. this is too big to be a pocket-device. Estimated retail price for US is $600.
has 802.11 built in which is nice. only has cf2 slot...no SD no PCMCIA. Audio on this really stinks....one tiny speaker. Ipaq speaker is about 300% louder. But this comes with headphones with a remote on the cord....kinda nice. any other questions? msg me...

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:24 PM
I would not hesitate to call this a laptop killer. i have a feeling that this little guy to rival the tablet pc's. But, it all comes down to the availability software.

Being a dev this isn't exactly the platform for me, but it fills the gap of a mobile device that could be used for pretty much every other field.

***THIS IS NOT such a friendly device. I have one. If you're counting on a non-pokcet sized device...go for a tablet pc.

Cracknell
02-27-2003, 07:25 PM
Wow, I think the size is amazing considering the screen.

http://hk.geocities.com/expertjulian/images/1.jpg

How is the sound via headphones? and battery impression?
Plus how is the OS .net works? built in apps? any problem with intalling PPC apps?

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:25 PM
I wouldn't never trade size for resolution. PPC has to fit in one's palm. If it doesn't, it isn't palm-sized PC anymore.

/jizmo
samsung calls it a "wireless hand pc" no palm, pocket etc...

Mojo Jojo
02-27-2003, 07:29 PM
Was going to message you but thought I would just ask here as others may have the same question...

Can the device stay up and in an upright position by itself without the stand?

What are the standard apps that come with the device?

How long is the battery life for you during a typical day and could you describe you type of use during the day?

Last question from me... where did your purchase it? =)

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:29 PM
Wow, I think the size is amazing considering the screen.

http://hk.geocities.com/expertjulian/images/1.jpg

How is the sound via headphones? and battery impression?
Plus how is the OS .net works? built in apps? any problem with intalling PPC apps?
sound via headphones is fine...ipaq is still louder but not enough to make a diff (headphones only). the OS is nice..looks like XP actually. has traditional start button on taskbar etc. This feels a lot like XP actually...just smaller. The IE ability blows away PPC...it acts like a real browser. I have not had it away from the charger long enough to test the battery...and have not installed any PPC apps....dont even know if that would work....Anyone??? Also, Windows Media player on this 400mhz proc is soooo much slower than my Ipaq. I have an early release model that my company gave me...seems as if the English Version of the OS isnt 100% complete. I'd expect there to be more App Logos etc...right now they function, but look kinda plain.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:31 PM
Was going to message you but thought I would just ask here as others may have the same question...

Can the device stay up and in an upright position by itself without the stand?

What are the standard apps that come with the device?

How long is the battery life for you during a typical day and could you describe you type of use during the day?

Last question from me... where did your purchase it? =)

It can't stay up on its own...you gotta hold it. comes with word, excel ie, wmplayer etc...same limited functionality as ppc...except IE is more like a real XP version of IE. does anything.everything....video embedded in browsers/forms etc...

skypilot
02-27-2003, 07:37 PM
I have had the opportunity to see and play with the Nexio.

IMO, this can be a killer product. The caveat is how it will be introduced. The current focus seems to be on corporate sales focusing on the large enterprise, with the consumer retail channel a possible, but future notion.

It is everything we all think it is: the TFT is as good as my 5455. The hi resolution makes webpages, excel documents, whatever shine. The detachable keyboard makes this extremely flexible.

In short, the Nexio is a winner.

Larry
_____________________
former Palm evangelist: Now 5455

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:38 PM
I have had the opportunity to see and play with the Nexio.

IMO, this can be a killer product. The caveat is how it will be introduced. The current focus seems to be on corporate sales focusing on the large enterprise, with the consumer retail channel a possible, but future notion.

It is everything we all think it is: the TFT is as good as my 5455. The hi resolution makes webpages, excel documents, whatever shine. The detachable keyboard makes this extremely flexible.

In short, the Nexio is a winner.

Larry
_____________________
former Palm evangelist: Now 5455

*the new ipaq screen is much more vivid than the Nexio. The nexio is very very very sharp...but kinda washed out

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:45 PM
the headphone jack is not standard size...it's about 1/2 that of a regular set of ipaq-sized headphones...i guess 1/16 mini plug???

sshattuck
02-27-2003, 07:48 PM
dbrahms,

Does it only work in landscape mode or can it also work in portrait?

Steve

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:51 PM
dbrahms,

Does it only work in landscape mode or can it also work in portrait?

Steve

I have not see anywhere to change to portrait mode....wish I could though. nothing in control panel/display properties etc

Charles Pickrell
02-27-2003, 07:52 PM
Pocket PC apps should not work on Windows CE 4.1. They may work on 4.2 though.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:55 PM
Anyone want any specific pictures of this? I have my digital cam (low res cam on my mp3 player) so I can send pics around...let me know....and respond in the forum with a request of what you're looking for (with your email)....but please dont ask me for pics that you can get from a google image search

brntcrsp
02-27-2003, 07:56 PM
dbrahms,

What are the main limitations that you see with the Nexio? My thinking was that this device could be great for those who want mobility, but not full enterprise or development capabilities.

For most I would perceive that for word processing, basic spreedsheet, general Internet activites this would definitely fit the bill.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 07:58 PM
dbrahms,

What are the main limitations that you see with the Nexio? My thinking was that this device could be great for those who want mobility, but not full enterprise or development capabilities.

For most I would perceive that word processing, basic spreedsheet, general Internet activites this would definitely fit the bill.

the image is so fine (lines are thin...but crisp) that you need good eyes to tolerate it. the big display allows for higher resolution...but things are smaller..guess you could change it, but it defeates the purpose. The biggest issue is the size...a 5" diag screen is too big for your pocket. The OS is VERY nice though

brntcrsp
02-27-2003, 07:59 PM
Sounds like if you're willing to sacrifice pocketability that this could be a pretty robust device. Is that your thinking?

Cracknell
02-27-2003, 08:03 PM
Well if PPC apps doesn't run on this machine, I don't think this machine will fly.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 08:04 PM
Sounds like if you're willing to sacrifice pocketability that this could be a pretty robust device. Is that your thinking?

BINGO! Think of this as a limited functionality laptop in a very small form-factor. Dont think of it as a PDA/PocketPC replacement

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 08:04 PM
Well if PPC apps doesn't run on this machine, I don't think this machine will fly.

they will build the same apps for this OS...dont worry

Jason Lee
02-27-2003, 08:43 PM
I remember the older version of this. It had a CDMA EVDO (or what ever the one they use in Korea is) built into it. Looked about the same, no keyboard though.
It was the one at iCES
http://www.samsungelectronics.com/ices/

It used CE 3.0 with 206 strongarm 32/64 MB rom/ram

I like this new one a lot better.
It is just a HPC with some nice hardware inovation. I would love to have one to play with. Not really sure how much I would use it compared to my PPC. It would be a nice thing to have laying around a wireless house though. :)

cslaughtermd
02-27-2003, 08:56 PM
Wow! It looks like a color version of my old Messagepad 2000! And almost as expensive! :wink:
But not only did the newton have a fairly rich Works suite (better than PocketWord), great handwriting recognition, TWO PCMCIA slots, it had a sweet landscape mode that would automatically rotate when you plugged in the included keyboard. There was even a plastic slot designed to accomidate a connector for an add-on keyboard flip cover. Of course this was never built and the newton is all but dead. It still makes a great (but expensive) alarm clock :D
I'll just keep using my 3850 until the 5600 series comes out!

Cracknell
02-27-2003, 08:58 PM
Your massage pad has built in WiFi and play mp3? 8O

kidA
02-27-2003, 09:10 PM
yeah, umm, i don't know about this thing. it is very cool. and very nice looking. i kinda like the idea of having a mobile OS that can run on mobile hardware to get better battery life than a small device running win xp that needs a power hungry processor et al to get things going. a hard drive would make it a lot more useful though.

Jonathan1
02-27-2003, 09:13 PM
Well if PPC apps doesn't run on this machine, I don't think this machine will fly.

they will build the same apps for this OS...dont worry


That's all well and fine but how lone? 3 months? 6 months? A year? In the mean time users get to use only the built in apps which will suck because it sounds like MS didn’t bother to port the version of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access from the HPC to this. Or release it for CE 4 or however Samsung is licensing the OS. The biggest draw from the software side is a strong version of IE but I highly doubt that IE alone is enough to sell these things. What the point of having it if it won't run anything? I was seriously considering one of these but if the price really will be in the $900 range, and not compatible with any software that currently is out there then I will have to pass...for now.
IMHO this is neither a laptop killer or a Pocket PC killer…for now.....

I personally would rather put the $900 down on a new Tablet PC. My feeling is that if its not pocketable you may as well go as big as a house. What’s the point since you have to bag it anyways right?
At least with a Tablet PC I can run all my apps. However if the price drops into Pocket PC territory and software starts showing up I'll snatch one up in a hot second. I still love my Newton :)

PS- Can someone explain how devices not running a desktop OS could ever be defined as a [Tablet PC\laptop] killer? I just don't get how this could ever be the case since Windows XP\2K runs millions of programs out there and this thing and the Pocket PC don't.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 09:16 PM
Well if PPC apps doesn't run on this machine, I don't think this machine will fly.

they will build the same apps for this OS...dont worry


That's all well and fine but how lone? 3 months? 6 months? A year? In the mean time users get to use only the built in apps which will suck because it sounds like MS didn’t bother to port the version of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access from the HPC to this. Or release it for CE 4 or however Samsung is licensing the OS. The biggest draw from the software side is a strong version of IE but I highly doubt that IE alone is enough to sell these things. What the point of having it if it won't run anything? I was seriously considering one of these but if the price really will be in the $900 range, and not compatible with any software that currently is out there then I will have to pass...for now.
IMHO this is neither a laptop killer or a Pocket PC killer…for now....let me know when\if software starts flowing and then we can talk about device killers.

I personally would rather put the $900 down on a new Tablet PC. My feeling is that if its not pocketable you may as well go as big as a house. What’s the point since you have to bag it anyways right?
At least with a Tablet PC I can run all my apps. However if the price drops into Pocket PC territory and software starts showing up I'll snatch one up in a hot second. I still love my Newton :)

PS- Can someone explain how devices not running a desktop OS could ever be defined as a [Tablet PC\laptop] killer? I just don't get how this could ever be the case since Windows XP\2K runs millions of programs out there and this thing and the Pocket PC don't.

***Dont worry about the software until we hear about a US release date for the hardware. You're a Proactive Complainer

Jonathan1
02-27-2003, 09:22 PM
dbrahms,
You seem to have some sort of vested interest in this device. Why? I'm stating the obvious. There is no software as of yet. I am pointing out a potential problem. If you choose to consider it complaining that's fine. The fact remains that, AFAIK, there aren't any apps based on CE 4 yet. Microsoft isn't endorsing these device like the Tablet or Pocket PC. And you have a very large market share for the Pocket PC. All thing to keep developers away from pure CE based devices.

My point was show me the software and I'll show you the sales.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 09:26 PM
dbrahms,
You seem to have some sort of vested interest in this device. Why? I'm stating the obvious. There is no software as of yet. I am pointing out a potential problem. If you choose to consider it complaining that's fine. The fact remains that, AFAIK, there aren't any apps based on CE 4 yet. Microsoft isn't endorsing these device like the Tablet or Pocket PC. And you have a very large market share for the Pocket PC. All thing to keep developers away from pure CE based devices.

My point was show me the software and I'll show you the sales.

If MS wasnt endorsing the device, why does the OS say "Microsoft CE.NET" ? It will come around...and I dont have an interest in this device. Personally, I think the Nexio sux...I just like the OS. But it isnt released yet in the US....Only in Asia. Have you seen the list of available apps for non-English Ce.Net platforms? I didnt think so...neither have I. Why? Cuz I dont care enough to investigate I can get involved with. We have a handful of these Nexios to play around with...and until the OS is finished and companies make an official marketing plan to push them in the US...i just dont care that much...I'm just getting people tech specs as they ask. OK, i'm done answering this...

cpoole
02-27-2003, 09:58 PM
It is still smaller than carrying around a DVD shell and at least it will still fit in a pocket (a larger one) or a belt pouch. The new tablet pc's are not the pocket variety at all... people carrying them do not really have much choice other than a backpack. Given that type of choice, I think that this is a great option.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 10:00 PM
It is still smaller than carrying around a DVD shell and at least it will still fit in a pocket (a larger one) or a belt pouch. The new tablet pc's are not the pocket variety at all... people carrying them do not really have much choice other than a backpack. Given that type of choice, I think that this is a great option.

It is 6 inches wide (since it's landscape) x 3.75 inches tall (when closed)

vincentsiaw
02-27-2003, 10:19 PM
oh, my jeans pocket will brake if i try to stuff this thing in.....

Paragon
02-27-2003, 10:22 PM
Why are so many complaining about the size....6.1 x 3.6 x 0.5 inch. It's only slightly longer than an Ipaq, and WAY smaller than an Ipaq with a sleeve on it. :?:

Dave

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 10:24 PM
Why are so many complaining about the size....6.1 x 3.6 x 0.5 inch. It's only slightly longer than an Ipaq, and WAY smaller than an Ipaq with a sleeve on it. :?:

Dave
HELLO!!!!!!! I HAVE THIS AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE TO CARRY! ANYONE WANA A PIC OF IT NEXT TO AN IPAQ? REPLY WITH YOUR EMAIL!

acronym
02-27-2003, 10:30 PM
looks alot like the aquapad without the keyboard, dosen't it?

www.aquapad.org

Paragon
02-27-2003, 10:32 PM
Ah, geeez....don't yell! I'm not deaf.....going blind maybe, but not deaf. :)

Dave

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 10:33 PM
Ah, geeez....don't yell! I'm not deaf.....going blind maybe, but not deaf. :)

Dave
your mother warned you you'd go blind if you kept doing that

Paragon
02-27-2003, 10:35 PM
:D

SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko
02-27-2003, 10:36 PM
Purr, I'm interested in how the .net OS looks.
This device makes me wonder if a handheld is more appropriate for me than a pocket PC. This is because I usually pull out my fold-up keyboard with the pocket pc.
Must not buy new hardware; must wait and wait for prices to drop and technology to improve...

don dre
02-27-2003, 10:36 PM
Why don't you just post the pic's here or send them to Mr. Dunn or one of his cohorts so we can all see them. I'm sure everyone here is curious and you've got the goods.

dbrahms
02-27-2003, 10:40 PM
Why don't you just post the pic's here or send them to Mr. Dunn or one of his cohorts so we can all see them. I'm sure everyone here is curious and you've got the goods.

already did that.,.waiting for a reply

Tom W.M.
02-27-2003, 11:06 PM
I personally would rather put the $900 down on a new Tablet PC. My feeling is that if its not pocketable you may as well go as big as a house. What’s the point since you have to bag it anyways right?
There are no official (running WinXP Tablet Edition) Tablet PCs available for $900. Are you refering to something else?

Jonathan1
02-27-2003, 11:44 PM
I personally would rather put the $900 down on a new Tablet PC. My feeling is that if its not pocketable you may as well go as big as a house. What’s the point since you have to bag it anyways right?
There are no official (running WinXP Tablet Edition) Tablet PCs available for $900. Are you refering to something else?

Hence the word down. It'd take a nice chunk out of the price. The Compaq tablet you can get for a tad over 2 grand. I'm just saying at this point in time I'd rather spend my cash on a device that has a robust software community behind it.

PJE
02-28-2003, 12:40 AM
Hence the word down. It'd take a nice chunk out of the price. The Compaq tablet you can get for a tad over 2 grand. I'm just saying at this point in time I'd rather spend my cash on a device that has a robust software community behind it.

I agree that without more software compatibility this device will be only of use in vertical applications.

However, if Microsoft is sensible the next PocketPC OS will be the same as that used on this (or later Nexio) and allow common applications to run on both devices. I would love to see TextMaker and other PocketPC apps on this device.

PJE

brntcrsp
02-28-2003, 12:46 AM
well, being that it is built on the 4.1 kernel means that it is compatible with .net cf, and believe you me, when that takes off you will see so many apps it will make your head spin.

felixdd
02-28-2003, 01:14 AM
I'm sorry...but why are we calling this an HPC?

photoGuy
02-28-2003, 01:17 AM
I am just hoping that we see more development of alternative form factors below Tablet but above PPC. Whilst out on the road I use PPC for organisational functionality because of the instant-on capability compared to any full Windows machine but I curse the screen size for being just a little too small to be truly useful with Excel/Powerpoint/Access compared to a laptop/tablet. HPC was looking good until iPAQ etc. killed it dead, laptops still need too much care and attention from power sockets to last a good days work. In my line of work where I present products and then price deals via Powerpoint to small retailers, if this ran the relatively plain Powerpoint files I need it would be just about be the ideal screen size v immediacy I need for one-on-one coffee-shop meetings. Excellent innovation and hats off to Samsung for thinking just a lttle bit different.

PJE
02-28-2003, 01:38 AM
To be perfect I'd like to see a 20(+)GB 1.8" Hard drive built in as well...

The hard drive would be used for data storage and NOT the OS or main applications which should stay as it is in Flash. But watching movies and playing MP3s on this device with the HD spinning down quickly when not being accessed would be rather nice!

This would basically make it a half way house between the Media2Go device and the PocketPC, with the functionality of both in a slightly larger form factor.

PJE

acronym
02-28-2003, 03:33 AM
hey Jonathan,

I had the compaq for about a week, so glad I didn't have to actually PAY for that. it was just painfully slow. remember the first couple generations of windows ce devices? yeah, I think its going to take about 3 times to get the tablet pcs right. Maybe by the end of '03

cholcomb
02-28-2003, 06:14 AM
As far as the software, this device is using the .Net compact framework. This takes care of having to develop the same app for diffent OSs like Pocket PC and CE. In April you will be able to download the Compact Framework and load it on the Pocket PC 2002, it is already loaded on the CE 4.1 devices. One of the nice things about .Net is that everyting is Managed Code, this means that that all the logic is done in the program but how the program interacts with the operating system and hardware is taking care in the CLR (part of the Compact Framework).

I've even seen reports where people have developed a CLR for Linux and OS X. This means that a program that was written for Windows will also run on a Linux box or Mac that has the CLR.

I've been using .Net now for a little over a year and love it. I've just started using the new Visual Studios 2003 (code named Evrett) which has the new compact framework built into it. I am now working on some PDA apps and I'm able to use the same language (C#) and code (for the most part) for both devices (XP and PocketPC 2002). There are some limitations here because the .Net CF doesn't have all the classes that the full blown .Net Framework has, but in the case of PocketPC 2002 and CE they will both be using the .Net CF. Beleive me, once Microsoft releases the .Net CF in April just about every program out there will be in .Net. Think about all the problems with code not taking advantage of XScale, you don't have this problem with .Net, instead of getting new versions of all your software you simple get the latest Compact Framework and all programs use its new lower level code.

Plus now a lot of people are using there PDA wireless through thier phones of hot spots, this means more value in using Web Services. Developers can write a Web Service that is used by a thick application, a portal, and a PDA. I have several Web Service that I use in a CRM program that I wrote that were written for our Portal but then I came back and was able to use the same code when I wrote a Thick App for the Power Users of the system. This saved me major time, not to mention money for my company. When developers start planning out there software development for PDAs most of them will relieze the advantages in writing the code in .Net, plus they are aware that .Net is the new word every one is looking for. If you put two applications side by side and they offer about the same functionality, I'm willing to bet most will try the .Net version because of how much Microsoft is promoting this technology.

julianfong
02-28-2003, 08:06 AM
As I told by SamSung HongKong Product Manager.
They're mainly shooting on the commercial market. Many local software
house are working on many corporate solution. So price is not going
to be a problem. Actually the toy already arrived in HongKong 2years ago,
But they spend many time with the R&D in Korea to fine tune the machine.
Finally they launch this machine on last week in HongKong. The reason
why this machine will be in HongKong first just because they are looking
for in China Market. And the second country launch it should be in US.

So I will say for a personal customer won't spend that much on this HPC.
Just like few years ago when iPAQ 3630 launch with a high selling prise.
Most of the PocketPC2002 Software can't directly install into this machine.
But the manager said when VS.net launch. Will eaisly transfer the software in to this machine. When I haven't test on it.

I just record a video when this toy streaming a online video.
I will put them up tonight (HK Time).

Fishie
02-28-2003, 02:09 PM
Cool, looking forward to that.

Jason Lee
02-28-2003, 03:33 PM
As far as the software, this device is using the .Net compact framework. This takes care of having to develop the same app for diffent OSs like Pocket PC and CE. In April you will be able to download the Compact Framework and load it on the Pocket PC 2002, it is already loaded on the CE 4.1 devices. One of the nice things about .Net is that everyting is Managed Code, this means that that all the logic is done in the program but how the program interacts with the operating system and hardware is taking care in the CLR (part of the Compact Framework).

I've even seen reports where people have developed a CLR for Linux and OS X. This means that a program that was written for Windows will also run on a Linux box or Mac that has the CLR.

I've been using .Net now for a little over a year and love it. I've just started using the new Visual Studios 2003 (code named Evrett) which has the new compact framework built into it. I am now working on some PDA apps and I'm able to use the same language (C#) and code (for the most part) for both devices (XP and PocketPC 2002). There are some limitations here because the .Net CF doesn't have all the classes that the full blown .Net Framework has, but in the case of PocketPC 2002 and CE they will both be using the .Net CF. Beleive me, once Microsoft releases the .Net CF in April just about every program out there will be in .Net. Think about all the problems with code not taking advantage of XScale, you don't have this problem with .Net, instead of getting new versions of all your software you simple get the latest Compact Framework and all programs use its new lower level code.

Plus now a lot of people are using there PDA wireless through thier phones of hot spots, this means more value in using Web Services. Developers can write a Web Service that is used by a thick application, a portal, and a PDA. I have several Web Service that I use in a CRM program that I wrote that were written for our Portal but then I came back and was able to use the same code when I wrote a Thick App for the Power Users of the system. This saved me major time, not to mention money for my company. When developers start planning out there software development for PDAs most of them will relieze the advantages in writing the code in .Net, plus they are aware that .Net is the new word every one is looking for. If you put two applications side by side and they offer about the same functionality, I'm willing to bet most will try the .Net version because of how much Microsoft is promoting this technology.

Write the code once... Runs on any platform... Didn't they used to call that Java?
;)

FredMurphy
02-28-2003, 04:17 PM
Write the code once... Runs on any platform... Didn't they used to call that Java?
;)
No-one ever said Microsoft had original ideas! Anyway isn't Java "write once crawl anywhere" (as long as you don't want to break the platform-independence by doing anything vaguely interesting). :lol: Oh no - going off-topic again...

IMO the real issues will be:
1. Will PocketPC 2003 support different screen sizes? (I'm guessing it will.)
2. Will developers bother writing their apps to run well and look good on all screen sizes?

Some developers will, I'm sure, just target whatever the most popular devices are running. If 90% of Pocket PCs are running 240x320 they may not bother with the effort to cover the other 10%. A bit like supporting the minority of MIPS and SH3 devices at the moment.

cholcomb
02-28-2003, 04:37 PM
"write once crawl anywhere" (as long as you don't want to break the platform-independence by doing anything vaguely interesting). :lol: Oh no - going off-topic again...


Thats right. The first time a user hits the code they compile it for every one else on that machine - in the instinse of web programing - after I make the changes I need, I republish the DLL and screens, the fisrt user that hits that page has to complie it for every one else, after that it is much faster then java.

Jason Dunn
02-28-2003, 04:40 PM
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/dunn2002/nexio-vs-ipaq.jpg