Toshiba e750/755 Pictures Leaked

[Jason Dunn]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pocketpctools.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=325&mode=&order=0&thold=0' target='_blank'>http://www.pocketpctools.com/module...order=0&thold=0</a><br /><br /></div>Pocket PC Tools has a scoop on the new Toshiba devices - the good ol' FCC is sure a good source of information! Jump over to the article on Pocket PC Tools and check it out...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/front-s.jpg" /> <br /><br />• Intel PXA 255 processor running at 400MHz <br />• 180g <br />• 125x80x16mm size <br />• 1050 mAh Li-Ion battery <br />• Built-in WiFi (on one model) <br />• Sharp 3.8", Trans-reflective LCD screen <br />• 64MB RAM/32MB Flash ROM <br />• CF Type II slot <br />• SD slot<br /><br /><b>UPDATE:</b> Pocket PC Tools originally reported these as the e350/355, but upon further research by you, our avid readers, this is the e7xx series.

[TawnerX]

It looks..... ehrrr.... the same.

The least they can do is change the cheap looking black plastic on top .. jees...

[tj21]

Isn't this just an e740? Even the dimensions are the same. At least it sounds like they improved the screens.

[funngunn2]

Anyone know the price range of these units?

[wizardmaster2k]

are these devises going to use the new xscale processors? what is the model name of both processors?

[entropy1980]

Ooh new XScale !!! very excited to see the benchmarks... wonder if this is the rumored E750....

[TawnerX]

No, the rumored E750 has 4inch and 128MB, a little like the current Japanese Genio model.

funngunn,
supposedly $199, but I seriously doubt it. probably $300.

[Vincent M Ferrari]

It looks..... ehrrr.... the same.

The least they can do is change the cheap looking black plastic on top .. jees...

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

[Janak Parekh]

Hmm. It does look like the e740 mk II. Transreflective - hopefully that's transflective. And the new XScale is there. It'll soon be time for the litmus test. 8)

--janak

[Shadowcat]

The model numbers are the same as the ones that DigiTimes reported on earlier this week! DigiTimes originally said to cost $199 USD but later came out with a new article that said that sources said Toshiba was "considering launching a new Pocket PC priced as low as US$199 in March or April". If they release these new models anywhere near the US$199 mark..... 8O

Toshiba was really clever about this. They leak the news that it *might* come out with a PPC with a price as low as US$199 device and timed the leak to be just before the info on the units shows up on the FCC website. :evil: Or at least that's my suspicion.

[Paragon]

The PXA 255 processor is the new C1 with the 200mhz bus if I'm not mistaken. 2-3 months ago we had Toshiba do a presentation for our users group. At that time he mentioned that all Toshiba's for the near future were going to have the same form factor, to keep peripherals consistent.
With the included features I think it will be hard to see this coming out at $199.00 as first reported.......3.8" transfective screen, dual slots, builtin WiFi. It sounds very cool though.

Dave

[suhit]

Two of my biggest peeves with the e740, besides the poor quality screen which they appear to be fixing, are -

1) The horribly poor battery life. I get only about an hour with a CF card in use and wireless turned on sporadically.
2) The pressure sensitive screen's response. I always have to press down a little harder with the stylus on the e740 than any of my other devices (PPCPE, iPaq, Palm m505).

They seem to be increasing the battery power by 50mAh (big whoop) and there is no mention of the screen response. I really hope that they are both better.

Suhit

[TawnerX]

same form factor is great, but does it have to be that ugly. :lol:
I still think they ought to change the black plastic on top at least, probably changing the chasis paint job. Anybody remember the Visor edge magnesium casing that has different colors?

[funngunn2]

Man, if one of these is the rumored $199 handheld, then I'm gonna get it!

[toshtoshtosh]

This MUST be the e750 actually, not the e350. It's the same size as the e740, 2 slots, has wireless since it's on the FCC site.

Rumors were e740 + 4' transflective screen + 128 ram. This has a 3.8 transflective screen. The battery is a whole 5% bigger :). Looks like a nice little upgrade to the e740 to put it at the head of the pack but nothing revolutionary.

Hopefully the known bugs have been fixed.

[bdeli]

The manual says it is the Toshiba Pocket PC e750/e755

[update]

and i think it comes with a removeable battery - manual says 'battery pack lock'

[reading on in the manual]

How to detach/attach main battery pack...

So this is the e750/e755 with new processor and removeable battery.

[donkthemagicllama]

i think the new processor with its 200MHz bus is going to make this the fastest pda to date, which is notable, even if it doesn't seem much different from the e740 otherwise...

memory bus speed is incredibly important for real world performance...

[Paul]

Man, can't wait for a review.

Oh, and the e740 already had a removable battery pack.

Is that a stereo headset (w/mic???) I see on the right?
http://www.pocketpctools.com/images/e350/full.jpg

[twntaipan]

If they release these new models anywhere near the US$199 mark..... 8O

If they are $199---I'm buyin

[FredMurphy]

Anyone know what the usual timeframe is between appearing on the FCC site and an actual release?

The manual shows PocketPC 2002 :(. I guess there will be a lot of new devices being released along with PocketPC 2003. I wonder when they will be appearing via the FCC.....

[Emike]

As a current owner of the E740, I can only hope that they have finally addressed and completely fixed the Active Sync issues associated with the E740. I have grown so weary of hearing the "Sync up" and "Sync down" sounds when I have my 740 parked in its craddle. I also hope that the buttons working sometimes and sometimes not has been fixed. I really love and at times really hate the 740. It would be great to finally stop being so skitzoid.

[Skoobouy]

Oooh! Faster bus! Oh man, this thing is going to simply kill the current models. (Of course, I know, they'll have their own competition).

Wi-Fi will always slam battery life. It's not Toshiba's fault.

I'm very happy about the dual slots, Wi-Fi, big screen, etc.

[heov]

yeah, this is no e350. This is the rumored e750.

As mentioned, rumor had it that it would be a 4", but it looks like it's 3.8"... no big deal.

BTW, the battery life should still be increased as 1) it uses transflective technology and 2) it uses the new PXA255, which offers even more battery life.

The unit seems like a decent upgrade if the screen and speed hold true. BTW, the buttons look covex now and not recessed... maybe this will be the next gaming ppc (if it doesn't have that lag!)...

[Merlion]

As a current owner of the E740, I can only hope that they have finally addressed and completely fixed the Active Sync issues associated with the E740. I have grown so weary of hearing the "Sync up" and "Sync down" sounds when I have my 740 parked in its craddle. I also hope that the buttons working sometimes and sometimes not has been fixed. I really love and at times really hate the 740. It would be great to finally stop being so skitzoid.
I don't really know what you mean by the "Sync up" & "Sync down" sounds problems, but you can always switch off the beginning & ending ActiveSync sounds thru the settings (Settings > Personal > Sounds & Notifications > Notifications tab). From there you can use the drop-down menu to select an event & whether you want the system to notify you & the sounds you want to use & the method of notification. Don't know whether it applies to your problems .. just some suggestions for a quick fix. :)

[Vincent M Ferrari]

I don't really know what you mean by the "Sync up" & "Sync down" sounds problems

I have a Toshiba E330 with the same problem. What happens is you drop it into the cradle and then randomly, without any reason, suddenly activesync fires up and you hear the sound. Then it shuts itself off. It does this repeatedly, regardless of if there is any activity on the computer. It's annoying and it's a pain. The only way to stop it is to turn the handheld off and leave it off until you're ready to sync again.

I also hope they fix that issue... It sucks.

[shilmover]

Guys,

I owe you an apology. This is the e750/e755, not the e350/e355. That is what I get for posting the information while under the influence of strong Flu medicine! :wink:

My bad! :oops: I hope I did not cause anyone any discomfort or loss of sleep.

[Paragon]

Guys,

That is what I get for posting the information while under the influence of strong Flu medicine! :wink:



Barry

I think you said that wrong. Shouldn't it read " strong Flu causing medication.? :) I've taken a bit of that same medication from time to time. :wink:

Dave

[Janak Parekh]

1) The horribly poor battery life. I get only about an hour with a CF card in use and wireless turned on sporadically.
2) The pressure sensitive screen's response. I always have to press down a little harder with the stylus on the e740 than any of my other devices (PPCPE, iPaq, Palm m505).
Well, cross your fingers. Transflective screens need a lot less power than reflectives, and hopefully they'll fix the touch screen at the same time. :)

The screen is also quite a bit bigger... iPaq-sized. Pretty cool.

--janak

[Merlion]

The screen is also quite a bit bigger... iPaq-sized. Pretty cool.

That's great if it doesn't compromise the size of the device. If the device has to be bigger to accommodate a larger screen, it's not worth it coz the resolution is still the same & we still see the same amt of info.

[Emike]

I am curious just how noticeable the new 200mhz bus will be in day to day operation of the device. Will this result in more fps in Pocket DivX or will it just be helpful in the initial loading and unloading of programs? Anyone have any thoughts? :?:

[Janak Parekh]

I am curious just how noticeable the new 200mhz bus will be in day to day operation of the device. Will this result in more fps in Pocket DivX or will it just be helpful in the initial loading and unloading of programs? Anyone have any thoughts? :?:
If the analysis we've done here on PPCT is correct, it should speed up everything. Memory transfers are done in most every common operation. This may very well be the first XScale device that lives up to the hype. Let's hope.... :)

--janak

[heov]

I am curious just how noticeable the new 200mhz bus will be in day to day operation of the device. Will this result in more fps in Pocket DivX or will it just be helpful in the initial loading and unloading of programs? Anyone have any thoughts? :?:
If the analysis we've done here on PPCT is correct, it should speed up everything. Memory transfers are done in most every common operation. This may very well be the first XScale device that lives up to the hype. Let's hope.... :)

--janak

in theory, yes :) This new Xscale should be "da bomb"... but i fear yet another let down.

The problem is also w/ the type of RAM the manufacturer uses... for example, if they stick with the same ram chips, it might not be able to take full advantage of the 200MHz bus. Much like the way Apple introduced DDR... they added, but couldn't fully utilize it yet...

So hopefully, everything works out great (heck if you OC you're bus to 118MHz and clock it @ 472, it FLYS!)... but i get a feeling it's not going to live up to the hype... hopefully i'm wrong!

[Janak Parekh]

(heck if you OC you're bus to 118MHz and clock it @ 472, it FLYS!)
This is specifically one reason why I think it will. As you hint, using Pocket Hack Master to OC the memory bus to 118MHz on PXA250s has substantial performance improvements. The PXA255 should, in theory, only be better. My fingers are crossed. ;)

--janak

[Christian]

I don't really know what you mean by the "Sync up" & "Sync down" sounds problems

I have a Toshiba E330 with the same problem. What happens is you drop it into the cradle and then randomly, without any reason, suddenly activesync fires up and you hear the sound. Then it shuts itself off. It does this repeatedly, regardless of if there is any activity on the computer. It's annoying and it's a pain. The only way to stop it is to turn the handheld off and leave it off until you're ready to sync again.

I also hope they fix that issue... It sucks.

Actually, my e740 takes this problem a step further by randomly powering on and off (and attempting to sync) without even being in the cradle. This problem does wonders for the battery life of course. Add to that the strangely "squishy" screen (everyone who has tried using my 740 for the first time has been quite thrown off) and the random WiFi instability, and you have plenty of opportunity for improvement. If Toshiba fixes all of these issues they'll have an excellent model... what the 740 should have been.

[ThomasC22]

The opinion of a cynic follows, please be forewarned!

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OK, you guys are going to hate me for this, but I'm going to say now (if I might make like Foo Fighter here): Unless this device is under $300 Toshiba is officially dead in the PocketPC market.

Here's what I'm seeing, a device that has no significant advantages over the Axim other than built in WiFi. Now lets face facts, unless you are the ultimate power user you have no reason for 2 slots + wifi which means the market for this thing is pretty small (how many ultimate power users are really out there).

More than that, I would be willing to bet some decent money that this device won't bench mark any faster than existing devices (or if it does, only very slightly faster). Bus speed is great but (as heov said) without a motherboard and ram to back it up it's pretty much useless. So the question is, could Toshiba use faster RAM without making it cost quite a bit more than other PDAs?

I doubt it. My feeling is this is another bait and switch by Toshiba and that it's essentially an e740 with a better screen. So, with it hitting the market around the same time as the next iPaq and the Axim x3 & x7 (maybe slightly before, but only slightly) I doubt it's going to be burning up the sales charts.

[Paul]

Wonder which graphics hardware is in this thing.

[dean_shan]

Seems like the e740 with a better screen. I don't think I'm going to upgrade unless there are some more enhancements done. Now if Toshiba bumped up the RAM as well then I would consider replacing my e740 with it.

[heov]

The opinion of a cynic follows, please be forewarned!

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OK, you guys are going to hate me for this, but I'm going to say now (if I might make like Foo Fighter here): Unless this device is under $300 Toshiba is officially dead in the PocketPC market.

Here's what I'm seeing, a device that has no significant advantages over the Axim other than built in WiFi. Now lets face facts, unless you are the ultimate power user you have no reason for 2 slots + wifi which means the market for this thing is pretty small (how many ultimate power users are really out there).

More than that, I would be willing to bet some decent money that this device won't bench mark any faster than existing devices (or if it does, only very slightly faster). Bus speed is great but (as heov said) without a motherboard and ram to back it up it's pretty much useless. So the question is, could Toshiba use faster RAM without making it cost quite a bit more than other PDAs?

I doubt it. My feeling is this is another bait and switch by Toshiba and that it's essentially an e740 with a better screen. So, with it hitting the market around the same time as the next iPaq and the Axim x3 & x7 (maybe slightly before, but only slightly) I doubt it's going to be burning up the sales charts.

there's NO WAY this device is going to be under 400. I mean heck, the axim is really 350 (besides the promottions) and dell is selling DIRECT. They don't have to sell it to a retailer, and then the retail has to up the price even more. For example, if the dell were to be sold @ retail stores, it'll probably be $400. Now if you add wifi, that's almost $500 (well less if you look around). And that's a dell price. I have a feeling this is going to cost $569 toshiba direct, 600 in stores.

And if it delivers (speed and screen), then i think it might do quite well. I mean, heck, hp is selling their 5450 for 700 and looking @ the posts in the BH forums, the iPaq 5400 fourm is getting more activity than the dell (but that may be becuase of more issues ;) point is people are actually buying it). Take away BT (~$100), you pretty much have an e750, except the e750 has an extra CF slot while probably still weighing less.

But who knows... I'm almost certain this thing won't be less than 450.

RANT:
That's why dell screwed the PPC market over! Argh! They're able to sell direct and at a cheap price... which screws up the rest of the market. Other OEMs will try to come out with cool products, yet they price it high and no one buys. Next thing you hvae is the OEMs start delivering crippled ppcs (nand rom, no sdio, bad batteries, crappy earphone plug (ipaq))... which is fine for end consumers... but not for price conscious power users. Ah who knows, that's just my opinion ;) Maybe if dell releases a THIN high end device @ a decent price, i wouldn't have any problems :)

But anyway, if you take dell out of the picture, a price of 550 seems decent for this handheld...

UPDATE: BTW, how do you think toshiba is going to market this thing? I mean, old users might think, hey, this is just 400MHz... and they might not know about the extra bus (if the pxa255 actually delivers, that is)...

[Skoobouy]

UPDATE: BTW, how do you think toshiba is going to market this thing? I mean, old users might think, hey, this is just 400MHz... and they might not know about the extra bus (if the pxa255 actually delivers, that is)...

Good point. That's why marketing is so important. If I were Toshiba's marketing manager, I would wipe out all of their current box designs and magazine ads, and replace everthing with great big red letters:

This Pocket PC is faster than yo mama at the buffet line!!!

Yeah... that would sell.

[shawnc]

RANT:That's why dell screwed the PPC market over! Argh! They're able to sell direct and at a cheap price... which screws up the rest of the market.

Let me see if I have this right.....Dell screwed up the market by making a great product and selling it for a low price?

Not intending to sound sarcastic, just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

[Jonathon Watkins]

RANT:That's why dell screwed the PPC market over! Argh! They're able to sell direct and at a cheap price... which screws up the rest of the market.

Let me see if I have this right.....Dell screwed up the market by making a great product and selling it for a low price?

Not intending to sound sarcastic, just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

Indeed. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism. Dell are doing just great! They will force the prices down and increase the PPC slice of the PDA pie, which means more users, more programs, more support etc. Everyone benefits (apart from companies used to 50% profit margins on PPCs).

[toshtoshtosh]

This unit's value should be around $450.

The axim 400MHz costs $350 right? Add wireless to that, a less-of-a-brick profile, faster performance (200MHz BUS and video acceleration). This is basically competing directly with the HP5xxx series, and if HP can get away with $600, Toshiba certainly can get away with $450-$500.

[toshtoshtosh]

OK, you guys are going to hate me for this, but I'm going to say now (if I might make like Foo Fighter here): Unless this device is under $300 Toshiba is officially dead in the PocketPC market.

LOL, I just read this. Why exactly should this device be priced under $300? You expect Toshiba to offer a newer, faster more feature packed device than Dell for a cheaper price?

[heov]

RANT:That's why dell screwed the PPC market over! Argh! They're able to sell direct and at a cheap price... which screws up the rest of the market.

Let me see if I have this right.....Dell screwed up the market by making a great product and selling it for a low price?

Not intending to sound sarcastic, just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

yes. dell screwed up the market. And yes, they do have a great product, at a cheap price, and that's great for the people who buy the dell (i recommend the dell to everyone who sees my ppc).

The problem is that the othe OEMs are not currently following suit of dell... that is, releasing great products at low prices. Instead we see crippled products at low prices. Other than the fact HP wanted to give some leeway between their 5450 and the 1910, hp purposely crippled that product (slwo processor, nand rom, 2.5mm earphone plug, low cap battery) so that they can meet dell's 300 dollar price point. I, and many other "power" users out there would have bought a 400 dollar iPaq 1910 w/ normal rom, sdio, 3.5mm plug, better battery, etc... but even when you compare that device to the dell @ 300, it gets beat. And the only thing that gives the 1910 a boost is the formfactor.

In other words, i'm afraid we'll start seeing "eMachines" Pocket PCs out soon... do you see my point?

Like I said, if dell delivers w/ the x3 or x7, they'll have me and I won't have a problem :D Again, this is all just my opinion...

[gpspassion]

Is that really an iPaq size 3.8" screen?

If they haven't fixed the cache bug in the xscale, using a 200mhz bus isn't going to help a lot...

[ThomasC22]

LOL, I just read this. Why exactly should this device be priced under $300? You expect Toshiba to offer a newer, faster more feature packed device than Dell for a cheaper price?

No, but I do expect them to compete and being that it isn't really newer (it's essentially an e740 form factor), it probably won't be faster, and other than WiFi it has no other features (over any other PPC that is) I expect them to at least mean Dell's price to compete.

[toshtoshtosh]

I'm glad you're not running Toshiba! Let's give these away at $299 a piece :D.

I'm guessing $500 list price, $400 street.

[toshtoshtosh]

Let me clarify that, I'm glad you're not running Toshiba if I was a stockholder, not a consumer :wink:.