iPAQ 1910 SD slot (upcoming support for SDIO possible)

[Konsole]

I would like to buy the 1910, but only if I can get the upcoming Socket Wireless LAN SD Card. Go to the following URL (http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=WLAN6060)

That page shows the 1910 as being compatible, which seems odd becase the 1910 does not have an SDIO port, just SD/MMC. I sent an email to expansys about that.

At the top of that page it also says "iPAQ 38XX and 39XX devices are typically SD memory capable only, not SDIO." Which was true-- BUT HP came out with a new flash rom that allows those models to use SDIO now. Pocket PC 2002 just didnt have built in support for SDIO or somthing. So the hardware does support it on those models, just needed the firmware.

So here is my question. Are the 38xx and 39xx SD Slots similar (hardware wise) to the one on the 1910? I also emailed HP about this.
If they are similar, then I can expect HP to release a rom update for SDIO.

Ive been reading this board for a few days, seems like a helpfull place. I plan on starting developing on this platform soon but most of the projects I will be working with need wireless connectivity.

Thanks for any help you can give.

-mike

[Janak Parekh]

Konsole, the 1910 might be able to support SDIO with a future driver/ROM update, but there has been no guarantees on this. At this time, you should assume it doesn't have SDIO, like the 38xx units. The 39xx units now have full SDIO support, including SDIO Now!, with a ROM update.

I think Expansys is pretty mistaken on that page.

--janak

[Konsole]

Check this out....

==== Created - (/me)- 2/21/03 11:24:47 AM ====
(/me) has emailed the following information:

COMMENTS:
A ROM Update was released for the HP397x iPAQ that allows it to use SDIO devices. Will a similar ROM be available for the HP1910 iPAQ? Is it possible hardware wise for the 1910 to use SDIO?


====

Dear HP Customer,

Thank you for contacting HP eServices.

This is with reference to your e-mail regarding SDIO option for the iPAQ H1910.

Please be informed that we (Pocket PC eResponse Team) have not received the ETA (Expected Time of Arrival) for the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update that will allow the users to avail the SDIO option on the iPAQ H1910. Hence, we will not be able to provide any information on the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update. Our Engineers are working towards releasing the same in the near future. Once it is released, it will be available for download in our website.

We hope the above information addresses your concern to your satisfaction.

Thank you,

HP eServices

================================


KICK ASS!! -- Doesnt that sound like GOOD NEWS?
I will be able to have the smallest little PPC, w/ wireless hopeullfy

I just hope it isnt to slow or not enough memory.... o well, thats another worry...

[Boxster S]

Check this out....

==== Created - (/me)- 2/21/03 11:24:47 AM ====
(/me) has emailed the following information:

COMMENTS:
A ROM Update was released for the HP397x iPAQ that allows it to use SDIO devices. Will a similar ROM be available for the HP1910 iPAQ? Is it possible hardware wise for the 1910 to use SDIO?


====

Dear HP Customer,

Thank you for contacting HP eServices.

This is with reference to your e-mail regarding SDIO option for the iPAQ H1910.

Please be informed that we (Pocket PC eResponse Team) have not received the ETA (Expected Time of Arrival) for the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update that will allow the users to avail the SDIO option on the iPAQ H1910. Hence, we will not be able to provide any information on the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update. Our Engineers are working towards releasing the same in the near future. Once it is released, it will be available for download in our website.

We hope the above information addresses your concern to your satisfaction.

Thank you,

HP eServices

================================


KICK ASS!! -- Doesnt that sound like GOOD NEWS?
I will be able to have the smallest little PPC, w/ wireless hopeullfy

I just hope it isnt to slow or not enough memory.... o well, thats another worry...


If this is indeed true, then WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

[realsprite]

Wow what a surprise! Thanks for the 411 Konsole. Despite the lacking power and expandibility, I bought the ipaq 1910 because it is just about the only PPC that fits in my pocket comfortably but I guess with the 300mhz overclock and upcomming SDIO, the 1910 will indeed "KICK-ASS!!" :lol: Cheers!

[Janak Parekh]

Konsole,

Let's hope for the best. :D But... I'd still keep a healthy sense of skepticism about it. It took forever for HP to admit that the 38xx series had only 1-bit memory SD and not 4-bit SD or SDIO, for example.

But hey, if they can do it, it would be stupid not to - that would be a major improvement.

--janak

[vincentsiaw]

if HP launches an sdio enabled 1900 series, i'll definately buy one !

[oscarito]

Konsole,

Let's hope for the best. :D But... I'd still keep a healthy sense of skepticism about it. It took forever for HP to admit that the 38xx series had only 1-bit memory SD and not 4-bit SD or SDIO, for example.

But hey, if they can do it, it would be stupid not to - that would be a major improvement.

--janak

Janak, do you mean that the 1910 model has only 1 bit memory sd ? does this mean that a release of a SDIO ROM update is not possible on this machine ? Just curious to see if anyone has tried the 397xx rom update on a 1910 and what is the result ...

[Janak Parekh]

Janak, do you mean that the 1910 model has only 1 bit memory sd ? does this mean that a release of a SDIO ROM update is not possible on this machine ? Just curious to see if anyone has tried the 397xx rom update on a 1910 and what is the result ...
No, that's not what I mean. My point is that it took HP forever to admit what the slot was and wasn't capable of, and it may be some time before they admit that the 1910 is (or isn't) truly SDIO capable.

Oh, and don't even remotely attempt to install the 3970 ROM update on a 1910. It's a different size ROM and a completely different unit. The update program should stop immediately, but if it doesn't, you could damage your unit.

--janak

[mr_ipaq]

1910 does not and will never support SDIO :cry:

[spursdude]

1910 does not and will never support SDIO :cry:

Care to share more?

[Johnny Blaze]

Actually it does and does not support sdio. The SDIO support is built into all xscale processors. In order for it to function you need the proper drivers and also the proper pin connections from the processor. Seeing that the 1915 in europe is basically the same machine I am maybe thinking that in the 1910 the pin connections needed are not present therefore no SDIO support will be possible.

[Janak Parekh]

Seeing that the 1915 in europe is basically the same machine I am maybe thinking that in the 1910 the pin connections needed are not present therefore no SDIO support will be possible.
Actually, your argument, in my opinion, makes it more likely the 1910 has SDIO. It would make more sense that the 1915 is identical to the 1910 hardwarewise, and therefore it's a software difference. Emails from HP support personnel seem to imply the same thing. However, we can only sit and wait for a complete answer...

--janak

[Ivan]

Seeing that the 1915 in europe is basically the same machine I am maybe thinking that in the 1910 the pin connections needed are not present therefore no SDIO support will be possible.
Actually, your argument, in my opinion, makes it more likely the 1910 has SDIO. It would make more sense that the 1915 is identical to the 1910 hardwarewise, and therefore it's a software difference. Emails from HP support personnel seem to imply the same thing. However, we can only sit and wait for a complete answer...

--janak

Well, I bought a h1910 two days ago and looking through the manual (that came with the CD) it clearly states that it is, and I quote "SDIO ready"... don't know if this was an error from HP's part (like the one indicating the screen is 3.8" and not 3.5")

I wish this is true, though one thing is that it might be SDIO ready and another thing is that HP would actually release drivers to enable SDIO on the 1910. :(

[rave]

Please be informed that we (Pocket PC eResponse Team) have not received the ETA (Expected Time of Arrival) for the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update that will allow the users to avail the SDIO option on the iPAQ H1910. Hence, we will not be able to provide any information on the release of the H1910 Pocket PC ROM Update. Our Engineers are working towards releasing the same in the near future. Once it is released, it will be available for download in our website.

We hope the above information addresses your concern to your satisfaction.
Er... I'm sorry to sound like the bad guy here, but this sounds like a generic call center response to me. All the customer care guy did was to take your words and package it into a generic "We'll deliver that soon" response. If you ask me, until the update is actually available or a release date officially announced, I'd keep my skepticism and delay a 1910 purchase for just a while longer.

[UE]

Seeing that the 1915 in europe is basically the same machine I am maybe thinking that in the 1910 the pin connections needed are not present therefore no SDIO support will be possible.
Actually, your argument, in my opinion, makes it more likely the 1910 has SDIO. It would make more sense that the 1915 is identical to the 1910 hardwarewise, and therefore it's a software difference. Emails from HP support personnel seem to imply the same thing. However, we can only sit and wait for a complete answer...

--janak

Well, I bought a h1910 two days ago and looking through the manual (that came with the CD) it clearly states that it is, and I quote "SDIO ready"... don't know if this was an error from HP's part (like the one indicating the screen is 3.8" and not 3.5")

I wish this is true, though one thing is that it might be SDIO ready and another thing is that HP would actually release drivers to enable SDIO on the 1910. :(

I have ordered a H1910, but will not receive it until Monday. In the meantime I was trying to get an answer from HP based on the fact that the manual states (as Ivan mentioned above) "SDIO ready". I need your help Ivan since the HP guys are asking me where in the manual does it say the H1910 is SDIO ready. Could you please forward me the manual copy at [email protected] ? I like the H1910 size, but really need the SDIO capability since there are no other comunications interface. Thanks...

"There are no plans to work on or release an SDIO patch for the 1910, we
would really like to know if possible if you can provide us with the
location of the dosumentation you are reading, we have reviewed our
documentation and have not found any indication of SDIO readiness for the
1910 in the refference guide.

Thanks,
HP Services"

[Ivan]

I have ordered a H1910, but will not receive it until Monday. In the meantime I was trying to get an answer from HP based on the fact that the manual states (as Ivan mentioned above) "SDIO ready". I need your help Ivan since the HP guys are asking me where in the manual does it say the H1910 is SDIO ready. Could you please forward me the manual copy at [email protected] ?

Sure... its the h1910 Reference Guide that came with the CD. On Appendix B, page 1, (Page B-1) "System Specifications" it says under "System Features" SD and Multimedia Storage - "MultiMedia Card, Memory Card and SDIO ready"

The Reference Guide's an Acrobat file of over 5 MB... you sure want me to send it to you?

That response you got from HP support is contradictory to other responses on this same issue posted by other people here... I remember there was a post (well I think over at Brighthand) of someone who got a reponse from an HP Tech Support specialist indicating that they did not have a specific date for the release of the ROM update to enable SDIO on the h1910 (it sort of gave the impression that there was indeed some development of a new ROM update to enable this). Although, I would take any response from HP to that effect with a grain of salt, and I'll believe that the h1910 is capable of SDIO when I see it.

Anyway, PM me if you still want me to send the Reference Guide to you and I'll do it right away. Either way, HP Support can find the December 2002 revision of the Reference Guide, Document Part No. 311757-002 on page B-1 and corroborate it themselves.

[xoiph]

If HP says it's SDIO ready, we should put pressure on HP to release an update to make it SDIO ready!