all pocket pc are over price

[Pocket Lee]

hi.
l just want to say that pocket pc are over priced. :roll:

lets pick a expensive video card out in the market, like any ati that can perfect billion pixel per seconds with 64 mb ram, would would still cost less than 150$

and a color screan =50$ max since a ps1 portable lcd cost only 100$
and cradal and case and cables. definately doesn't cost more than 50 bucks.
is dell smart or stupid when they charge $40 just for the cradal. are they out of their mind? my wireless mouse probably has more componet than it. and it is cheaper than it. :roll:

total: 250$

i would predit that they are making atleast 100$ for each pocket pc.
i think pocket pc should be below 150$ (400 xscale, 64mb, sd, compact flash, cradal, adaptor)

[b3trio]

Even if your back of the envelope calculation is anywhere near correct (you haven't even taken into account that some people have to get paid for the work they do bringing these products to market and the companies have to spend some money marketing the devices to consumers so we actually know they exist), are you suggesting they just give away the devices?

How about making a profit so that they can invest in making better devices that we can all lust after? :D

[spursdude]

Don't forget the money paid to the employees who actually design, build, construct, and market the device.

Then don't forget all the licensing fees and royalties needed to pay - for SD, CF (?), and of course to use PPC2002.

I don't see how you can compare a video card to something like a PPC...a video card can rely on the computer's other resources. A PPC has to be totally independent (except for synching). The processor, RAM, screen...

And don't forget that you will always pay more for a smaller package... take laptops for example, and how they're more expensive than a desktop usually.

The way I figure it, the price will really add up when you take into account labor, royalties, hardware, and novelty...

And then you get to biometric fingerprint scanners. :)

In my opinion, any PPC priced under $300 is definitely reasonably priced. $400 is all right, $500 is pushing it. Any higher and that is definitely over-priced for me.

[dean_shan]

Some PocketPCs are too expensive to me, such as the iPaq 5450, but that is just great for other people. That's why there are many venders, different strokes for different folks. One may need more power and so they need a more expencive model.
Another reason why the cost is slightly high is because the smaller you make something the more expencive it gets. Also there is not as large of a user base of PPC users as there is PC users thus making the cost per unit go up.

I don't think that PPC are overpriced, I think that palms are. They cost just as much as a PPC but can do less than one.

[Rirath]

I think pocket pc should be below 150$ (400 xscale, 64mb, sd, compact flash, cradal, adaptor)

Now there's a blast of reason. :? Short answer: fat chance.

[Janak Parekh]

l just want to say that pocket pc are over priced. :roll:
Give us a call when you've managed to make one for less. :D

--janak

[Pocket Lee]

soo many people believe pocket pc are not over priced.

the price that i list was $250 for a 64 mb ppc,

well, it is still more expensive than most video cards, ps2, dvd player.

and please give me a break, and stop telling me $250 isn't enough to pay those ppeople who market develop make these ppc, because i dont believe so. because the items that i list above are the cheaper even include marketing, developping, and making)

[MLO]

soo many people believe pocket pc are not over priced.

the price that i list was $250 for a 64 mb ppc,

well, it is still more expensive than most video cards, ps2, dvd player.

and please give me a break, and stop telling me $250 isn't enough to pay those ppeople who market develop make these ppc, because i dont believe so. because the items that i list above are the cheaper even include marketing, developping, and making)

If you're going to post your opinion here, then you should expect people to post thoughts that conflict with your opinion. It doesn't make sense for you to expect people to "give you a break" and not disagree with you.

MLO

[shawnc]

soo many people believe pocket pc are not over priced.

the price that i list was $250 for a 64 mb ppc,

well, it is still more expensive than most video cards, ps2, dvd player.

and please give me a break, and stop telling me $250 isn't enough to pay those ppeople who market develop make these ppc, because i dont believe so. because the items that i list above are the cheaper even include marketing, developping, and making)

I've found that diverse opinions are tolerated better on this site than most. However, you can't expect people to "give you a break" when you post illogical opinions as fact with no juice to back them up. Sorry, you get no break here!

[markpmc]

First the $350 I paid for my Razor Zayo is perfectly reasonable.

Second let me know when you manage to design and produce your product. I'll certainly give it fair consideration.

BTW My next PDA (Spring/Summer '04) will have builtin WiFi,SDIO and either GSM/GPRS or CDMA2000.

markpmc

[ux4484]

While I'm all for the cheap PDA (I never paid more than 80 bucks before my Axim), and I too feel that PPC prices are too high (though the trend is changing) there is little logic in your statement. The highest costs in hanheld electronics is not increasing the speed, but MINITURIZING the technology. Which is why laptops were so unreasonably priced until the last year or so. Miniturized tech takes longer to develop, which is why it is often months (or a year) behind current desktop tech, and is the reason it is usually much slower. Because when developing the starting point they must use current tech so handheld development will always lag regular PC developement. Considering that laptops only really narrowed the gap over the last 1.5 years, I think it'll be a while until handheld devices can narrow their price margin-for-tech gap.

If $300 bucks is too much for a Dell, than what is $500 for a tungsten?...........robbery methinks.
For that fact, $99 is too much for a Zire as you can pick up a m100/105/Visor Neo/Palm III/Palm V new/refurbished at tons of places online for the same/less with more features than the Zire.
Sony is out-Palming Palm on a daily basis and their devices are much more reasonalby priced than Palm or many PPC's (at least on the low end)......and though I'm still a Palm OS fan......what am I carrying?.......A Dell.

[WyattEarp]

It's amazing how you compare individual parts to a complete unit. You still left out the OS, soft keyboard technology, etc. A lot of components and technology go into making such small device. I'd like to see you find the latest PC with all the works for under $500.00. Pocket PCs, Palms, Symbian and others are on the cutting edge of technology and for that you will pay a premium. Companies like Dell more or less just slap their name on the device where as HP or Toshiba go a little deeper with R&D so they charge more. But don't worry in the next five years or so you'll be able to get that HP 5450 or Toshiba e740 for dirt cheap... if you can find one. :D

Drown in price sorrows if you want. I'm sure the rest of us won't.

[Sven Johannsen]

Two items to consider are of course the miniturization, which has been mentioned, but also the market volume. As far as size, go look at laptops. The humungous ones that can actually replace a desktop, but you have to be a linebacker to enjoy running through and airport with, are generally cheaper than the superslim ones that don't do near as much, but don't rip your arm off. Small costs. In development at the least.

As far as market, you are always going to be able to charge less for things that you are going to sell a million of, than things you are going to sell 100,000 of. The development and creation of the production machine needs to be amortised over the potential sales. Some pieces of the process are certainly scalable based on sales, but a lot is the same expense whether you wind up selling 1 or a 1M.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

lets pick a expensive video card out in the market, like any ati that can perfect billion pixel per seconds with 64 mb ram, would would still cost less than 150$
Those video cards area also significantly larger than the video components needed inside a PocketPC (likely around 50x larger). Those video cards by themselves are not even pocketable!

and a color screan =50$ max since a ps1 portable lcd cost only 100$
Those screens you refer to are non-reflective screens (outdoor-viewability is a major issue). The industry left those behind and evolved to sidelit-reflective and then to backlit-reflective since.

total: 250$

i would predit that they are making atleast 100$ for each pocket pc.
i think pocket pc should be below 150$ (400 xscale, 64mb, sd, compact flash, cradal, adaptor)
Mobile CPUs nowadays are designed to be low-powered devices designed to help reduce battery charge. Onboard PPC RAM is far more expensive and smaller than PC counterparts... not to mention that flashable ROM storage is required for most devices as well. Mix that with STEREO SOUND (you left that out), IR capabilities, Lithium-Polymer battery, cabling needed to support SD and/or CF (I/O, not just memory), PPC OS...

$150??

[vincentsiaw]

i think it's fair price to pay for a ppc, this thing make life a little bit easier isn't it :?:

[spursdude]

well, it is still more expensive than most video cards, ps2, dvd player.

One problem with your examples are that these examples are not independent, like a PPC is. A video card requires much more expensive computer. A PS2 won't work without a TV and games. A DVD player needs a TV.

All the things you talk about do have to do with graphical type stuff, but they are dependent and serve as complementary to a main device. the PPC is the main device.

I do think that a lot of PPCs are overpriced. I don't think it's reasonable to expect every top-of-the-line device to be under $249, though.

[Wiggin]

If you're going to post your opinion here, then you should expect people to post thoughts that conflict with your opinion. It doesn't make sense for you to expect people to "give you a break" and not disagree with you.
Great Point MLO. Only one thing to add... DOG PILE!!! :lol:

[AirTimid]

On a side note. Companies like Microsoft and Sony don't make money off their consoles, I believe MS lost money on each Xbox it sold at it's ORIGINAL price point, so, they are losing even more after the $100 price cut. Anyways, neither company is making money off their consoles, it's the software that turns them a profit.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

On a side note. Companies like Microsoft and Sony don't make money off their consoles, I believe MS lost money on each Xbox it sold at it's ORIGINAL price point, so, they are losing even more after the $100 price cut. Anyways, neither company is making money off their consoles, it's the software that turns them a profit.
Game consoles are a different ballgame from PPCs though. Neither MS nor the manufacterers get money spent on third party software. They need to profit off the units themselves.