Imitation Is The Sincerest Form Of Flattery

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://www.iambic.com/english/palmos/agendus/default.html">http://www.iambic.com/english/palmos/agendus/default.html</a><br /><br />Wow! What a week. First, <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?topic_id=7201">Palm abandons Graffiti</a> in favor of an input method that resembles letters you write on paper or see in books. Now, there is a app that I thought had been ported to the Pocket PC - Iambic's Agendus.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2003/20030115-agenduspalm.gif" /><br /><br />But wait? Is that a Pocket PC? It has a Today screen, those icons for the clock, calendar, tasks and email are identical to the icons on my iPAQ. Is it live, or is it Memorex? :lol:

[Sslixtis]

What in Hades is happening to the "Zen" of Palm??? They are going to be nothing more than PPC clones before long!!! :twisted:

[Foo Fighter]

Stop!!! Thief!!!! Call the police...someone stole my UI. :2gunfire:

I can't believe Iambic would stoop to this level. An outright rip-off of Microsoft's Today screen? What next, a "Start Menu"? :roll:

[Sparkomatic]

Copycats!! :eek:

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

You know... they could have AT LEAST try to make it look like they put some thought into it. I mean, they really did just rip off the exact same icons and everything.

[Stone]

Looks like we better start supporting Palms now! :roll:

[johncruise]

Looks like we better start supporting Palms now! :roll:

Good one Stone! Good one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GadgetMan]

Hmm... Does anyone have a phone number for Microsoft's legal department? :lol:

[Foo Fighter]

Looks like we better start supporting Palms now! :roll:

Ha! I don't know why Iambic didn't just build *.tsk file compatibility into the app and end this charade. :roll:

[vincentsiaw]

why dont just use a ppc 2002 it save a lot of trouble then :roll:

[Foo Fighter]

Hmm... Does anyone have a phone number for Microsoft's legal department? :lol:

That's what I said! Microsoft should sue them for intellectual property theft. It will be an open and shut case.

[sponge]

They don't have any IP on look-and-feel of the today screen, and MS isn't all that lawsuit happy over interfaces. Now Apple on the other hand..

[Foo Fighter]

They don't have any IP on look-and-feel of the today screen

It goes beyond "look and feel". It really is Microsoft's icons that are being used and copied, not vague facsimiles or alterations. The whole kit and caboodle.

[Job]

Confused as to why this is front page worthy . . . a Palm today screen port has been around for a long time, it's call Today. Perhaps this is the most high profile example, but hardly proof that Palm has come to realize the intrinsic good of all that is Microsoft. I am sure that PPC has never, ever used any ideas first thought of by Palm . . .

[mar2k]

Jokes aside, I don't know about the rest of you but I'd kill to be running Agendus on my H1910......

Pocket Informant and Agenda Fusion are nice, but I still wind up going to the basic Pocket Outlook apps after a while because of poor refresh rates and other problems in these PIM replacement apps.

When I had a Palm m500, Action Names was so easy to use and packed full of features that the built-in PIM apps were long forgotten, which is quite the opposite experience...

still - using the same icons and layout is a bit much!

[Jimmy Dodd]

Gee Ed, why'd you pick the automobile background instead of one of the other two 8O on the Iambic site? :lol:

[bljarv]

Is it live, or is it Memorex? :lol:
Memorex!

[guinness]

The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. If MS can complain about these guys ripping off the Today screen, then Apple is going to sue MS for ripping off the Mac gui and then Xerox is going to sue them both. I will agree, it basically looks like a lame rip off but can a company patent/copyright a gui?

[klinux]

Mu ha ha ha - this is hilarious!

[Foo Fighter]

...but can a company patent/copyright a gui?

Sure can. Apple even goes after web sites that mimic the "Aqua" look and feel.

In this case, I doubt MS has a copyright on their GUI. Too bad, I hate seeing companies get away with shameless acts like this. The folks at Iambic are creative and highly talented...good enough to know better. :roll:

[MonkeyGrass]

I could have just waited 2 more days and "fooled" everyone into thinking that I had a PPC, instead of paying all that money... :D

HAHA - this is funny. I just switched - (Hi all!!!) I saw the latest Sony monstrosity, and had to cut my losses. I got off the SonyCoaster (my latest was the T665 - nice PDA and all, but nothing compared to my new e740) while I still have a dime to my name. $880 for the new (unreleased) 1 GB Memory Stick Pro. Jeesh!

It really tickles me, is that the things all the loyal "Palm-heads" bash on PPC for (devices are too big, bloated OS, bad battery life, not enough onboard RAM, etc... we all know the stories) - Are heralded as the "future of Palm" when Sony does it!!! It's hysterical! Has anyone here seen the new NZ90? It's ENORMOUS>>>

It has so much Sony-Bloat on it - there is literally like 9-10 MB of RAM left before you add a single app to it. Which I'm finding out - you don't NEED to add a ton of 3rd party apps with PPC 2002 because it's already there! And they complain that PPC doesn't have enough RAM? LOL whatever. This thing has about 4 hrs of battery life. With the backlight off, and not using the extra $100 Sony brand WiFi card. And the best part? Starting price - without WiFi card or external memory... $800??? WHAT?!?! And PPC's are too expensive?

I have seen the future - and it is most definitely NOT a Palm.

As you all know already, I'm sure, PalmOS has been playing a game of catch up for the last 2 years. OS5 is a joke, and a transitional one at that.

Long Live PPC!! I am a convert and I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

peace all,

mG

[Deus]

Its a good idea though! Just think. If you had a pair of cruddy shoes that had dog poo embedded in them and you saw everyone else wearing nice italian imported shoes, wouldn't you try to cover up the poo too!

[Fzara]

I could have just waited 2 more days and "fooled" everyone into thinking that I had a PPC, instead of paying all that money... :D

HAHA - this is funny. I just switched - (Hi all!!!) I saw the latest Sony monstrosity, and had to cut my losses. I got off the SonyCoaster (my latest was the T665 - nice PDA and all, but nothing compared to my new e740) while I still have a dime to my name. $880 for the new (unreleased) 1 GB Memory Stick Pro. Jeesh!

It really tickles me, is that the things all the loyal "Palm-heads" bash on PPC for (devices are too big, bloated OS, bad battery life, not enough onboard RAM, etc... we all know the stories) - Are heralded as the "future of Palm" when Sony does it!!! It's hysterical! Has anyone here seen the new NZ90? It's ENORMOUS>>>

It has so much Sony-Bloat on it - there is literally like 9-10 MB of RAM left before you add a single app to it. Which I'm finding out - you don't NEED to add a ton of 3rd party apps with PPC 2002 because it's already there! And they complain that PPC doesn't have enough RAM? LOL whatever. This thing has about 4 hrs of battery life. With the backlight off, and not using the extra $100 Sony brand WiFi card. And the best part? Starting price - without WiFi card or external memory... $800??? WHAT?!?! And PPC's are too expensive?

I have seen the future - and it is most definitely NOT a Palm.

As you all know already, I'm sure, PalmOS has been playing a game of catch up for the last 2 years. OS5 is a joke, and a transitional one at that.

Long Live PPC!! I am a convert and I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

peace all,

mG

lol. The light. lol.
I agree, I really do love the PPC platform. Its although buggy when you add more third party apps, it really does outperform the Palm OS.

Back to Iambic: These people are getting away with murder! We must all gather and tear down their building! :rock on dude!:

Come on Microsoft, hurry up and get them out of buisness. Its amazing how Palm zealouts can come out and make fun of the PPC, and then have one of their own people copy the competition. Its just morally wrong.

[Sslixtis]

I'm just going to call it flattery and continue chuckling to myself. :rofl:

Maybe by Palm OS 10 or so I might even consider a Palm OS (read Sony) device. :beer:

[dean_shan]

Palm has had a program that did this a long time ago. I got it last year for my palm. I was a program called Today (http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/today.shtml). This is old news.

[Timothy Rapson]

How did they get a PPC with half VGA? Oh, it's a Palm OS model from Sony? A NZ90? With a camera? A video camera?

I don't need that high of resollution, low battery life, high price, camera, and all the extra. I don't want to learn a whole new way of entering text like in Grafiti II. Can't I just keep my simple PPC? :lol:

(another great Foo find)

[Foo Fighter]

Palm has had a program that did this a long time ago. I got it last year for my palm. I was a program called Today (http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/today.shtml). This is old news.

There is a big difference in this case. "Today", the app you pointed out, was designed by a hobbyist developer who is giving the product away at no cost. Iambic, on the other hand, is a commercial developer charging money for a product that clearly copies from another company's work.

[chrisdavies]

Yeah, isn't it shameful that someone should copy. I am glad that Microsoft or PPC has never stooped to such blatant copying of form factor/creativity...

On a better note, I think that 2 competing streams adds to the overall cumulative experience for users of both platforms. It will be sad to see if there is only one creative force in handhled computing, as innovation will suffer in such circumstances.

[ppcsurfr]

How did they get a PPC with half VGA? Oh, it's a Palm OS model from Sony? A NZ90? With a camera? A video camera?

I don't need that high of resollution, low battery life, high price, camera, and all the extra. I don't want to learn a whole new way of entering text like in Grafiti II. Can't I just keep my simple PPC? :lol:

(another great Foo find)

Hahaha... :lol:

[st63z]

Gee Ed, why'd you pick the automobile background instead of one of the other two 8O on the Iambic site? :lol:

Hmm.. enlightening :) (who is it BTW?)

[PlayAgain?]

Why can't everyone follow Microsoft example and just don't steal other people's UI!

As for the flattery, I totally agree with Ed. I thought the very same thing when I ran various skins on my PocketPC including BeOS, Aqua, Palm-esque, Symbian, Gnome, KDE and Amiga. :roll:

Maybe this is just Palm being ironic and letting people pretend that they have a PocketPC - kind of a morbid fascination for Palm owners with a sense of humour?

[rtc]

Hi (mostly) all,

Hmm, don't you think that competition, even silly, benefits to the end-user?
Don't you think that Microsoft never never ripped any other company ideas?
Did you really personally ever played the rules yourself, by, for example paying all the MS software on your desktop? Do you have that much MS shares on the market or what?

Why on earth do you want like that the two world keep apart, and that no palm app should look and feel like a PPC and reciprocally? Can't you imagine a world with variety? Would you feel better is Palm was dead? And why??! Be it Microsoft, Palm or GMate that was to be shot dead, I would feel the same: sorry that once again the world reduces to big ones.

I agree that the Iambic page is a clone and that they could have used slightly different UI, but when the best of other software is ripped off in an application, then it's all of us as users that benefit from it. If all applications parts were registered trademarks, then the world would be sad and only Xerox would have had icons. :D

Bah this thread finishes as always with the usual Palm versus Microsoft war (or call it Microsoft versus Palm). Can't you talk about something more interesting eh?


"Gee Ed, why'd you pick the automobile background instead of one of the other two on the Iambic site?"

hehe that one is good :)

--- rtc

[Ed Hansberry]

Bah this thread finishes as always with the usual Palm versus Microsoft war (or call it Microsoft versus Palm). Can't you talk about something more interesting eh?
I posted this because it is generally felt that Palm is superior to Pocket PC - which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yet it is funny that Palm and developers are emulating Pocket PC more and more on the same things that were "complex" just a year or so ago. Even today, people say Pocket PC character recognizer is too complex and graffiti is simple yet Palm just licensed Jot. I remember 2-3 years ago that the "today screen" was superfluous, needlessly complex and just eye candy. Now it is the cornerstone of one of the most popular Palm apps ever.

I know MS copies other people. That is a given. :lol: What strikes me as funny is Palm is now copying the OS in many respects that it and its users continually bash to this day as not being Zen and simple. Perhaps the ever declining marketshare numbers of PalmOS has made them realize they are speaking hot air?

[rtc]

Yes i agree with your view.

What strikes me as funny is Palm is now copying the OS in many respects that it and its users continually bash to this day as not being Zen and simple. Perhaps the ever declining marketshare numbers of PalmOS has made them realize they are speaking hot air?

Yeah, they were heading the same way as Apple did, too bad for them.
I think devices are becoming more and more powerful and users are asking for more and more for what Palm would have called "uselessly complex" stuff some short time ago... For example backgrounds are totally useless, suck up memory and slow down your device, but they are cool and users are surely begging for that...

This may be the fatal move from Palm OS, because as far as technology is concerned, PPC are fairly superior to Palm OS devices (ah ok Sony NX screen still achieves higher screen resolution, but i cannot think about something else). They are moving to ARM quite a bit late, especially when you consider they had most of the market a few years ago. Palm stupidly though that they would be there forever, and Microsoft had the money to keep alive till hardware and OS were reliable enough to compete (and/or overcome according to people)...

Yeah indeed, Zen of Palm means not much nowdays... :?

I think Palm still may be superior to PPC for pure everyday efficient business such as dealing with contacts and phone numbers. The system is simple, not multitasking nor multimedia thus it is light and reliable. But PPC are hugely better at multimedia including games, heavy professional solutions and wireless connection. And as business is going more and more wireless, Palm will defintely have hard times anyway!

---rtc

[Janak Parekh]

I know MS copies other people. That is a given. :lol: What strikes me as funny is Palm is now copying the OS in many respects that it and its users continually bash to this day as not being Zen and simple. Perhaps the ever declining marketshare numbers of PalmOS has made them realize they are speaking hot air?
You know, I get the feeling that Palm's techs are pretty much in the same boat as the rest of us, wanting to incorporate features, but then marketing turns around and starts screaming the Z-word. And now, marketing, whose life is being threatened, finally grudgingly allows the techs to do their stuff. The fact that they made the OS 5 transition as seamless as it is deserves some kudos.

--janak

[scottmag]

I remember 2-3 years ago that the "today screen" was superfluous, needlessly complex and just eye candy. Now it is the cornerstone of one of the most popular Palm apps ever.

Who in their right mind would have called the PPC Today screen "superfluous" or "needlessly complex"? As a Palm user and PocketPC observer, I have repeatedly said that the PPC's Today screen is its best feature. I'd love to have that on my Palm. And now I can.

Thanks for sharing. I hope for full handwriting recognition next. Oh, and a pony too.

Scott

[omu]

This is not the first time people get upset about agendus (or: action names).
I remember (not exactly) that there was trouble about the company getting a website which had the competitors name, and really wanting to work with it. people got so upset that they gave the website back to the competitor whose name it did carry (it was something with datebook...).

As well, people get upset about their update policy. You can get this mentioned new version for free if you bought it after Oct. 2002, before that, and it costs you 10 $.

This makes you think about the managements attitude...
The Today-rip off seems to be just another example.

[fgarcia10]

Gee Ed, why'd you pick the automobile background instead of one of the other two 8O on the Iambic site? :lol:

Hmm.. enlightening :) (who is it BTW?)

I think they are Salma Hayek and the Dorito's girl. 8)

[felixdd]

This is further vindication that Iambic management has no morals.

True that MS may have done bad things and stolen from others. But their Today screen was pretty much original. Besides, nothing ever warrants "eye-for-an-eye" actions so when people say, "So what that Iambic did this?! MS is doing it too!" I think it's not really fair.

I'm also detecting a trend here. I'm not sure if MS copyrighted their Today Screen, but it seems that Iambic likes to "steal" non-copyrighted things.

On that note, please remember the Pimlico Datebook 5 fiasco:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/rmattes/iambic.htm

This is the first time I've ever cheered MS -- but MS, please take them down. Obvious Iambic has no morals (even stealing from a donation-based company).

I have no pity for Iambic.

[Ed Hansberry]

This is further vindication that Iambic management has no morals.
Let's step back a bit, OK? This was meant to be a funny thread sort of ribbing people over copying the Pocket PC on the Palm platform. A bit funny that the market leader (or one of their most visible developers) is copying the #2 player. That's all. Nothing more.

[gfunkmagic]

Even today, people say Pocket PC character recognizer is too complex and graffiti is simple yet Palm just licensed Jot. I remember 2-3 years ago that the "today screen" was superfluous, needlessly complex and just eye candy. Now it is the cornerstone of one of the most popular Palm apps ever.


Ed,

*** It has been well stated that the primary reason for PalmSources' s decison to licesense Jot was purely for legal reasons. ***

P.S. *** Having two competing platfomrs is good. I wouldn't want M$ controlling everything nor would I want PalmSource's glacieric innovative speed to slow down the industry. Both platforms are here to stay...

*** Post edited by moderator 1/17/03 11:22 est

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

The fact that they made the OS 5 transition as seamless as it is deserves some kudos.
I agree with that. The initial report I heard was that only 80% of the "legacy" apps worked on the OS5, but I was recently visiting a Palm board to see their reactions of the Tungsten, and it turns out that there are very, very few apps that don't work.

Some PPC wacko was out there trashing the Tungsten T with that stat and just got torn apart...

[pdatoon]

This is further vindication that Iambic management has no morals.

True that MS may have done bad things and stolen from others. But their Today screen was pretty much original. Besides, nothing ever warrants "eye-for-an-eye" actions so when people say, "So what that Iambic did this?! MS is doing it too!" I think it's not really fair.

I'm also detecting a trend here. I'm not sure if MS copyrighted their Today Screen, but it seems that Iambic likes to "steal" non-copyrighted things.

On that note, please remember the Pimlico Datebook 5 fiasco:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/rmattes/iambic.htm

This is the first time I've ever cheered MS -- but MS, please take them down. Obvious Iambic has no morals (even stealing from a donation-based company).

I have no pity for Iambic.

That's a funny one. In a discussion about how we see a trend in the Palm world going toward the PPC world (graffiti, arm, today screen, NX/NZ...) , we always get fanatic idiots at some point. Felix, go back to your cavern or take anger management class.

[Janak Parekh]

It has been well stated that the primary reason for PalmSources' s decison to licesense Jot was purely for legal reasons.
Y'know, if that was truly the case, I wish Palm would just come out and say it. They themselves assert that Jot is superior. Gotta love marketing spin. :?

In any case, note that, as Ed previously mentioned, this is a light ribbing on Palm. A number of Palm users touted Graffiti as being a major advantage of the device, and now it'll be gone. I've been surfing the boards, and a lot of Palm users are upset over this. One or two are even thinking of going to the Pocket PC so they can continue to use a Graffiti-like system. :D

--janak

[gfunkmagic]

Y'know, if that was truly the case, I wish Palm would just come out and say it. They themselves assert that Jot is superior. Gotta love marketing spin.


Yes they said Jot is superior to anything ELSE that is out there besides graffiti. Look the only "spin" going on here is by propoganda by sites like ppct. *** You people need to get off your tech identification pathology and just be happy with whatever your using w/o bashing other people for the platform they use. Sheesh!

P.S. Its ironic that you people edit anything remotely seen as anti-ppc on this site while the opposite occurs on competing sites. A little afraid of criticsim?

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[Janak Parekh]

Yes they said Jot is superior to anything ELSE that is out there besides graffiti. Look the only "spin" going on here is by propoganda by sites like ppct.
I quote from Palm's own website: "Under this agreement, "Graffiti(R) 2 powered by Jot," will be embedded by PalmSource in current versions of its Palm OS platform provided to licensees of its operating system. The new Graffiti 2 handwriting software supports an intuitive, more natural form of input, minimizing learning time for new users and easing the transition for experienced users."

That's marketing spin. It happens on both sides. I didn't deny that Microsoft has marketing people, you know. :?

P.S. Its ironic that you people edit anything remotely seen as anti-ppc on this site while the opposite occurs on competing sites. A little afraid of criticsim?
No, but name-calling is not acceptable. You'll notice a number of pro-Palm supporters on these threads that have never been edited.

--janak

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

P.S. Its ironic that you people edit anything remotely seen as anti-ppc on this site while the opposite occurs on competing sites. A little afraid of criticsim?
There's actually quite a bit of criticism here regarding the PPC as well (especially from pro-Palm users that do frequent the site), but since you don't appear to be a frequent visitor, you only hear about the times that Palm is mentioned.

As for the editing, I have seen posts deleted, but it's only when the post contains nothing other than personal attacks. Stick around and provide some arguments (with no personal attacks) for anything you like and your post won't be edited. There's a line between criticism and outright name-calling.

[Ed Hansberry]

Yes they said Jot is superior to anything ELSE that is out there besides graffiti. Look the only "spin" going on here is by propoganda by sites like ppct. ***
Show me where I made an inaccurate statement. You and your ilk keep spinning this as if it is only a legal move by Palm, yet I can only tell you what they say publicly, which is Jot/Graffiti 2 is superior to Graffiti, a point that I happen to agree with. So, I agree with Palm, commend them on their decision, yet I am spinning things? Ok, whatever.

[drac]

First post here! :D

Yes they said Jot is superior to anything ELSE that is out there besides graffiti. Look the only "spin" going on here is by propoganda by sites like ppct.
Show me where I made an inaccurate statement. You and your ilk keep spinning this as if it is only a legal move by Palm, yet I can only tell you what they say publicly, which is Jot/Graffiti 2 is superior to Graffiti, a point that I happen to agree with. So, I agree with Palm, commend them on their decision, yet I am spinning things? Ok, whatever.
Well, you're *both* wrong!

Palm has never said that Jot is, overall, superior to Graffiti (1). Oh, they have certainly been pushing the fact that it is far more intuitive and easy to learn- but intuitiveness compared with Jot has never been a selling point of Graffiti. The point of Graffiti is that at the price of a slightly steeper learning curve, one gains an input method that is faster, less CPU-intensive, and more accurate in the hands of habitual users.

If you crash your Jag and are forced to drive your wife's Miata- and brag to your friends about how light, nimble and fuel-efficient your new ride is- are you really claiming that your new transport is "better"? Not really. Does the absence of confession that you really crashed your old car constitute evidence that it did not happen? Not really.

It is ludicrous to expect Palm to publicly and openly attribute their switch to legal reasons, and perfectly reasonable ("spin" though it is) for them to point out the very real advantages of Jot while minimising the advantages of their old stance. I don't mind spin of this sort- where the claims are reasonable and substantiated, where there are no falsehoods, and where no necessary public information is omitted.



The unbiased observer will cede that neither Jot nor Graffiti are "superior" to each other. Oh, one my have an individual preference, for sure, but the two products have different advantages and different weaknesses. Taking advantage of the news to make the claim that Palm is making the switch for technical reasons, and that PPC was right all along, is the worse kind of spin- presenting unsubstantiated claims as if they were firm truth, and ommitting necessary information (the well-known legal basis for the switch).



So, yes, Ed, you have made an inaccurate statement. ;)

[Ed Hansberry]

First post here! :D

Palm has never said that Jot is, overall, superior to Graffiti (1).
{snip}
So, yes, Ed, you have made an inaccurate statement. ;)
From Palm's press release (http://pressroom.palm.com/InvestorRelations/PubNewsStory.aspx?partner=Mzg0TlRFMU1BPT1QJFkEQUALSTO&product=MzgwU1ZJPVAkWQEQUALSTOEQUALSTO&storyId=78900): (emphasis mine) "Jot has established the kind of broad based consumer acceptance in the Palm community that made it a natural choice for us," said David Nagel, president and chief executive officer of PalmSource. "Graffiti 2 is a superior handwriting recognition system that will enhance the ease of use that Palm OS is known for. We expect this technology to appeal to a wide range of users who will be able to easily take notes and write memos on their Palm Powered(TM) devices."

You can argue semantics all day long, but the entire press release is compariting G2/Jot to G1.
The new Graffiti 2 handwriting software supports an intuitive, more natural form of input, minimizing learning time for new users and easing the transition for experienced users.
and
"Based upon the experience we gained over the past several years by providing Jot directly to the Palm OS developer and end user community we believe that Graffiti 2 powered by Jot will provide Palm OS users the most natural and intuitive experience possible.

From Brighthand (http://www.brighthand.com/article/Graffiti_Dead)"For new Palm users, Graffiti 2 powered by Jot is more intuitive and natural than Graffiti," Ms. Somsak told Brighthand.

G2 is "more natural" and "more intuitive" than G1. It is superior. those are Palm's words, not mine. I happen to agree with them though. This is the first time I've ever been blasted for agreeing with Palm. :roll:

[drac]

But Graffiti isn't a handwriting recognition system at all.

Remember?

It uses predefined, easy-to-interpret "computer shorthand" strokes.

Remember?


"Text entry system", yes. "Handwriting recognition system", no. If I say that an explorer is a better SUV than a Miata, have I really said that "Explorers are better"?


The point was that the early systems arguably didn't have the power necessary for satisfactory HWR, so they used Graffiti instead. Even now, many find Graffiti to be faster for experienced users than HWR, while HWR is more natural and intuitive, with an easier learning curve.


Are you deliberately ignoring what you cannot refute? Jot is certainly more intuitive and easier to learn than Graffiti. It is also slower and requires more CPU overhead. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. Palm is listing the advantages of Jot, but have yet to say that "Jot is better than Graffiti".

You may try to dismiss my words as semantics; but semantic analysis will always be an important part of discussion of press releases from Palm as well as enthusiast-based spin that some others will offer.


Finally, I for one certainly am not "blasting" you; only pointing out your stubborn error. I would not characterise you as "agreeing with Palm" at all; rather, I would characterise you as (intentionally or unintentionally) twisting their words to fit your own firmly-held views.

Cheers!

a.