mp3 & ogg player winamPAQ [Archive] - Thoughts Media Forums

joat_nowhere

01-15-2003, 04:31 AM

http://www.todaysppc.com/gm/archives/winampaq01.gif

Kapiolani, the developer in Korea made new mp3 & ogg player named "winamPAQ ver 0.91".
It can be applied with winamp 2.x skin(*.wsz) for its skin.
audio format : mp3, ogg.
button setting
: button 1 : Play
: button 2 : Stop
: button 3 : Pause
: button 4 : Screen Toggle
: up & down button : Volume Up & Down
: left & right button : Prev & Next Track
: Action button : Play/Pause Toggle

button remaping isn't provided yet. I guess he will fix it soon. and... maybe *.wma is able to play next version.(I guess. ^^;)

It's freeware. It can be downloaded here.

http://projecteam.org/zboard/zboard.php?id=WinamPAQ_PDS

spursdude

01-15-2003, 05:21 AM

sigh....when is a good wma player gonna come out? :(

Marauder

01-15-2003, 09:11 AM

how do I change the skins? where do I put the .wsz file? I can't read the "about" page because it's in korean... it's just boxes for me. I've made a folder for WinamPAQ, and tried putting a .wsz skin in the same folder and a subfolder "skins". Even specifying the exact file on the skinning page doesn't seem to do anything. Help anyone?

-Graham

PS: This program uses even less memory than withMP3! Plus having the addition of skins, .ogg capability, and the ability to close the equilizer to expand the playlist are awesome features that I wish withMP3 had.

joat_nowhere

01-15-2003, 09:48 AM

how do I change the skins? where do I put the .wsz file? I can't read the "about" page because it's in korean... it's just boxes for me. I've made a folder for WinamPAQ, and tried putting a .wsz skin in the same folder and a subfolder "skins". Even specifying the exact file on the skinning page doesn't seem to do anything. Help anyone?

You can load Open Dialog Box by tapping the little top-left icon of WinamPAQ screen. Then assign your *.wsz.

Marauder

01-15-2003, 05:45 PM

Yes, that much was obvious to me--I'm afraid I still need an explaination. Here's what I've done:

1. Click the upper left icon--takes you to the "About" page.
2. Click on the "Skin" tab. There I see a page with lots of "boxes" where the missing text characters would be.
-At the bottom are "Current Skin Directory" and a Dialog box next to that says [BaseSkin].
-Below that is a text field which contains "<Base Skin>" as the default.
-Below that are two more dialog boxes with the language squares in them. The one on the right allows you to search for a directory, which will then appear in the text field above. After searching for a directory which contains my skins, if I click the bottom left button it pops up a message and returns the text field to the default "<Base Skin>". Clicking the [BaseSkin] button above the text field does the same, without the popup message.

I've also tried specifying the exact file in the text field with:
"\Program Files\WinamPAQ\newskin.wsz"
It always seems to revert the that default text in the text field.

Has anyone else tried this program and changed the skin? Thanks.

-Graham

Marauder

01-15-2003, 06:20 PM

Ok, I've found the solution. What you need to do is unzip all of the skin files into a folder. You can do this with a .wsz by opening it in WinZip. Then, just put the folder somewhere on your PPC. Then, go to the skinning page in WinamPAQ, click the bottom right button and find that folder. Then, click the bottom left button.

One problem I've noticed--not all Winamp skins appear correctly. Some I've tried seem to not be able to find the correct skin image for buttons or frames--it just appears white. Some don't display the numbers correctly for the song time. I assume that some of these problems are due to scaling the skin down to fit in a smaller window.

All in all, it's a great program so far. I also like the fact that you can turn off the screen with the touch of a button. I'm eager to see some more releases. Let us know if the author comes up with anything new joat_nowhere! Thanks.

-Graham

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-15-2003, 09:52 PM

kwerner

01-15-2003, 11:04 PM

Can Windows Media Player 8/9 on the PC be set to automatically convert to OGG instead of WMA when it copies music to a PDA? That feature of WMP on the PC is very handy, just queue up the songs and hit copy when I go to bed, grab the PPC on my way out in the morning.

QYV

01-15-2003, 11:19 PM

Before I download and install, can anyone tell me if this shares WMP's inability to save the spot in a playlist where you pressed Stop or Pause, even when the app has been closed?

sfjlittel

01-15-2003, 11:22 PM

Is there going to be a MIPS version?
I know I would like that.

jizmo

01-15-2003, 11:30 PM

I can understand wma versus mp3 since wma is superior at lower bitrates, but ogg is even than that, plus it's open-source and a native VBR format.

I second that. OGG really combines the best sides of both formats. Plus it doesn't have that metal hissing noise that low bitrated WMA files suffer from.

/jizmo

Fzara

01-15-2003, 11:39 PM

dazz

01-15-2003, 11:40 PM

Can anyone tell me if they are having the same problem:

When I try to use any MP3 player and use an equalizer I get a bunch of crackling through the headphones. :?

I have tried a number of headphones and a few different apps like PocketDivx, WithMP3, and have just tried this WinAmp knock-off.

For reference I am using a Toshiba Genio e550g.

Janak Parekh

01-15-2003, 11:40 PM

I can see a HUGE lawsuit coming along from Nullsoft, the creators of Winamp, for creating an infringement of their program, and porting it to the PPC. I have heard that Winamp will be soon porting to the PPC, but I definitely do doubt that Nullsoft gave permission to do this.
Maybe. On the other hand, XMMS (www.xmms.org), which used to be called X11amp, has existed for years. It also emulated the Winamp skin, even more closely than this product.

--janak

Janak Parekh

01-15-2003, 11:41 PM

For reference I am using a Toshiba Genio e550g.
I don't have this problem with my 3870. On the other hand, it has a built-in DSP for bass control, so it's very much a different beast. Did you try different headphones, and is it only when you push the equalizer to extremes?

--janak

MonkeyGrass

01-15-2003, 11:49 PM

Anyone know if this player can access and play WiFi network files?

I've been looking for a true solution. WithMP3 and PocketMVP keep adding only one song to the playlist, I can't seem to get them to actually select and queue multiple tracks. NetworkMP3 works, but the interface leaves much to be desired and it only shows the entire contents of the network share you are in, I haven't found a playlist fix yet.

This thing looks really cool, tho, if it will play networked files!

peace,

mG

dazz

01-15-2003, 11:56 PM

I don't have this problem with my 3870. On the other hand, it has a built-in DSP for bass control, so it's very much a different beast. Did you try different headphones, and is it only when you push the equalizer to extremes?

--janak

Janek, I have tried other headphones and still the same problem. It certainly does seem to be at points were the amplitude (if that is the right term) is high but I don't have the volume high. Seems to be on the bass frequencies though.

If I just use the software without the equalizer then I can crank it up full (ROCKIN' to Air Supply!! :lol: :wink: ) but with the equalizer the accented beats are crackling. Since I can't use the equalizer I might as well use Windows Media player (sigh).

huangzhinong

01-15-2003, 11:58 PM

I can see a HUGE lawsuit coming along from Nullsoft, the creators of Winamp, for creating an infringement of their program, and porting it to the PPC. I have heard that Winamp will be soon porting to the PPC, but I definitely do doubt that Nullsoft gave permission to do this.

You won't see it for ever. This guy is in Korea, Nullsoft don't have the ability to get him. He didn't benefit from this software at all, it is listed as freeware.

Fish

01-16-2003, 12:02 AM

It sounds like you're overdriving the output. Try lowering the PreAmp control on the left side of the EQ to about half.

Fzara

01-16-2003, 12:05 AM

I can see a HUGE lawsuit coming along from Nullsoft, the creators of Winamp, for creating an infringement of their program, and porting it to the PPC. I have heard that Winamp will be soon porting to the PPC, but I definitely do doubt that Nullsoft gave permission to do this.

You won't see it for ever. This guy is in Korea, Nullsoft don't have the ability to get him. He didn't benefit from this software at all, it is listed as freeware.

Glad you cleared that up. Thanks.

spursdude

01-16-2003, 12:54 AM

sigh....when is a good wma player gonna come out? :(
Any particular reason you want to go with wma instead of ogg?

I can understand wma versus mp3 since wma is superior at lower bitrates, but ogg is even than that, plus it's open-source and a native VBR format.

All my music is encoded in wma, and it would be a pain to convert over to ogg. Although I am somewhat interested - what's needed to rip cd's to ogg?

spursdude

01-16-2003, 12:55 AM

sycamore

01-16-2003, 01:07 AM

Is anyone else having probs downloading the install files? A blank IE page comes up & no download. :cry:

If anyone has the time, please e-mail a copy of the install file to me at [email protected]. TIA!

sponge

01-16-2003, 01:13 AM

To answer the WiFi question, it only loads files off of My Documents for the moment :\ You can add arbitrary directories though. As cool as this is (they kept the EQ the same - i can draw a line across and set all the bands at once)

What's with all this lawsuit mania here? Everything similar has been "sue sue sue" lately, with the today clone for POS (heh nice acronym..) and now this.. only huge corporations are lawsuit happy. Most people aren't.

Thank god this isn't the 80s with the kind of lawsuit happy society we live in.

jizmo

01-16-2003, 01:21 AM

I use wma's at 64kbps and I've never noticed any metal hiss...but that's just me.

WMA tends to make samples sound very metallic and synthetic. For me, it's most distinctive with high-pitched sounds, for example hi-hats and s-consonants in singing. I'm not a hifist myself but I do realise the difference between WMA and OGG encoded @ 64kbps. With decent earphones it becomes very distinctive.

http://ff123.net/64test/comments.html

I used to favor WMA in low bitrates, but what can you say. OGG currently gives you great quality low bitrate sounds, and at normal bitrates it's just as good as MP3.

/jizmo

that_kid

01-16-2003, 02:32 AM

jeffmd

01-16-2003, 02:43 AM

wow

thats what I said when I loaded my fav winamp 2 skin into it and hit play.

this.. is winamp!

wow. I never cared for skins that created a larger picture if you kept the eq and playlist open most of the time (I never do) but I think i'll go look for one now. Ever wanted an mp3/off player that LOOKED good? now you have one! There was some slight line up issues in the to top window as I think the seek bar isnt as scaled down as the rest of the skin (or its positioned just plain wrong), but its surviveable. The EQ is very touchy, to get it to work good, you need to turn the main pre-amp volume WAY DOWN.. like only 3-4 notches from the bottem (This is the left most slider). At this point you can set your eq sliders without hearing any of that breakup, youll need to boost up the main volume a bit though.

Btw this thing is running on my dell axim x5 400mhz (200mhz mode to conserve power) from an SD card.

BetaBoy

01-16-2003, 03:02 AM

sigh....when is a good wma player gonna come out? :(

We are hoping to have WMA Support in the next release or two of PocketMVP... so hold tight a lil bit longer.

jeffmd

01-16-2003, 03:06 AM

oops.. we farked the server allready. guess im glad I got mine this soon ^^

I posted the file to newsgroups alt.binaries

search for the subject header winamp

and dont ask if you dont know what newsgroups are or how to download files from it.

Foo Fighter

01-16-2003, 03:23 AM

AHHH!! The download link doesn't work. Screw you guys, I'm going home! http://www.aurorawebstudio.com/cartman.jpg

vincentsiaw

01-16-2003, 04:23 AM

wow, with free app like this, what else you want man !

dhettel

01-16-2003, 04:50 AM

wow, with free app like this, what else you want man !

:D How about a way of getting it too? :D

All I get is a page with 503 error in the address line.

Peter Traugot

01-16-2003, 04:51 AM

Can someone put a local copy somewhere?

diskaugur

01-16-2003, 04:53 AM

No fair. :evil: The link no longer works. Argggh. According to the rough translation altavista made, all the previous downloads exceeded the alowed bandwith. Is there another way to get it? Would someone mind emailing it to [email protected]

diskaugur

ctmagnus

01-16-2003, 05:20 AM

Is there another way to get it?

jeffmd mentioned he posted it to alt.binaries. Unfortunately, my ISP happens to block several interesting newsgroups, such as this one. :evil:

chiclin

01-16-2003, 05:29 AM

Yes! :twisted: The link not works. Can anyone seed that file to me. thanks!

my email is
[email protected]

Joking

01-16-2003, 05:32 AM

My ISP doesn't block the posts in alt.binaries, just the files. (That's even more cruel). :-(

Has anyone checked for availability using Gnutella?

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 05:48 AM

OMG!!!! :D I just encoded a file at 64K in ogg format and it's da bomb. It sounds good, really good and I'm very picky when it comes to my music :twisted: . Looks like i'll be converting all my mp3's to ogg so I can play them on my ipaq.
I'm glad you're discovering the joy that many of us are starting to enjoy.

Word of advice though, I wouldn't convert your MP3s to Ogg unless you're trying to save significant space. As good as Ogg is, it's still lossy compression which means that your Ogg files will not sound as good as the MP3s UNLESS you re-rip all of those songs from the original source. *COUGH* Of course you still have those, right? :wink:

diskaugur

01-16-2003, 05:49 AM

I can't access newsgroups. Damn Comcast. :evil:

Could someone just please email the file to me. Please? Please?

diskaugur

felixdd

01-16-2003, 05:50 AM

I can't find the post in alt.binaries.

And it's not on gnutella nor a few other PtP networks that I checked

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 05:53 AM

All my music is encoded in wma, and it would be a pain to convert over to ogg. Although I am somewhat interested - what's needed to rip cd's to ogg?
There's a couple of great freeware rippers. I use something called dBpowerAMP which is clean, simple, and effective. There's also another ripper called CDex which many on this board use. Look them up at http://www.download.com or just do a google search.

If you want to learn more about ogg files (why they're better, how this format came about, why they feel people should use this instead of MP3 and WMA, etc.), I recommend a visit to http://www.vorbis.com.

Oh... the other thing is that I wouldn't recommend converting music from one compression format to another (unless you're trying to save significant space). You will lose more quality. You should only create new digital files from the original source (if you have it).

Rirath

01-16-2003, 06:11 AM

Dang, for once I missed a file. Ah well... it's bound to be around somewhere.

Jonathan1

01-16-2003, 06:53 AM

Is WinamPAQ.exe a setf installer or a standalone file I need to copy over to a PPC? I ask because I don't have a PPC on me right now and when I try to exe the file from its location it gives me a funky error which could mean I didn't decode the file off the NG right or it’s a exe for the PPC. Anyone?

If it is a stand alone app its dang big! 595KB!!! Dang! 8O *shrugs* Guess its one of those gift horse things..... :D

diskaugur

01-16-2003, 07:07 AM

It took quite a bit of effort but I got it from the alt.binaries newsgroup. :turn-l:

-diskaugur

buffalo_will

01-16-2003, 07:11 AM

Could anyone send me the Player or a link that works, please?

[email protected]

THX
buffalo_will

kagayaki1

01-16-2003, 07:39 AM

Delta737

01-16-2003, 07:51 AM

Well, the link appears to be broken. When I open it, it redirects to http://byus.net/message/503error.html I get a Korean error, not the program :? Anyone has a solution or has anyone encountered the same problem?

UPDATE: It works again, with an update as well. Version 0.91a is now available!

felixdd

01-16-2003, 07:51 AM

Can anyone be kind enough to send me a copy at [email protected]? I've spent the whole night neglecting my homework to try to find it, but to no avail :lol:

Rirath

01-16-2003, 09:03 AM

UPDATE: It works again, with an update as well. Version 0.91a is now available!

Booyah! :D Work of art!

jeffmd

01-16-2003, 09:24 AM

I also now have the latest version at http://myladydaemon.tk/winamp/winampaq.exe

dont bother book marking it though ;)

albsilva

01-16-2003, 11:27 AM

wow

thats what I said when I loaded my fav winamp 2 skin into it and hit play.

My favourite kin is oudini99, which I unzipped to a folder on the ipaq, but it keeps the standard one... :roll:

How have you done?

Regards,
Alberto Silva

Rirath

01-16-2003, 11:29 AM

Unreal! I figured thought this OGG stuff was just fluff from people wanting to save a few KB... but after converting one of my low quality 128 bit files to a 64 bit OGG the lossy way, I'm simply amazed. It sounds every bit as good as the original, at half the size. The original is 3.16MB, the OGG is 1.59MB. It's insane... I think I just turned an OGG fan. 8O

My favourite kin is oudini99, which I unzipped to a folder on the ipaq, but it keeps the standard one... :roll:

How have you done?

Regards,
Alberto Silva

Skins work fine, see the post early in this thread on how to do it.

Ok, I've found the solution. What you need to do is unzip all of the skin files into a folder. You can do this with a .wsz by opening it in WinZip. Then, just put the folder somewhere on your PPC. Then, go to the skinning page in WinamPAQ, click the bottom right button and find that folder. Then, click the bottom left button.

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 11:50 AM

Unreal! I figured thought this OGG stuff was just fluff from people wanting to save a few KB... but after converting one of my low quality 128 bit files to a 64 bit OGG the lossy way, I'm simply amazed. It sounds every bit as good as the original, at half the size. The original is 3.16MB, the OGG is 1.59MB. It's insane... I think I just turned an OGG fan. 8O
FLUFF??!!?? C'mon, Rirath, give us a little more credence than that!! :wink:

Anyway, welcome to the club!!

I just discovered ogg myself about a month ago. Probably one of the best discoveries I've made all year. Suddenly my 256MB SD card can carry a ton of songs with good quality to boot. The size and quality combined with the open-sourcing means I may never return to MP3s or WMAs when given a choice.

albsilva

01-16-2003, 01:29 PM

Skins work fine, see the post early in this thread on how to do it.

Ok, I've found the solution. What you need to do is unzip all of the skin files into a folder. You can do this with a .wsz by opening it in WinZip. Then, just put the folder somewhere on your PPC. Then, go to the skinning page in WinamPAQ, click the bottom right button and find that folder. Then, click the bottom left button.

That's what I've done: I unzipped the .zip (not .wsz) file, which has some bitmaps and text files, copied the folder to the ipaq, then winampaq, skins, bottom right button, folder, left button and then it presents me a msg box, and when I click ok, it returns to 'base skin'...

I'll try later with other skins, but afaik all that I have are .zip files, and not .wsz...

Thanks,
Alberto

Rirath

01-16-2003, 01:50 PM

FLUFF??!!?? C'mon, Rirath, give us a little more credence than that!! :wink:

Anyway, welcome to the club!!

:lol: h-hey, cut me some slack here. :) It's hard these days to tell what's really worth the time and what's just some linux user's fanboy dream of open source. :wink: I've had a little more time to fool with it since then, and I'm absolutely convinced. A 320 bit mp3 converted to a 64 bit ogg sounds every bit as good to my ears over my medium qual headphones. A 64 bit mp3 on the other hand, sounds horribly flat and lifeless. I'll never carry an mp3 on my PPC again.

As far as the program is concerned though, much love for the WinamPaq. Does a mighty fine job of playing, sorting, and looking dang good doing it. Who knows if Nullsoft will blow it out of the water with an official port, but judging by Winamp 3 (cold shiver), I'm not holding my breath on them doing anything these days. Before I forget, thanks for the news Joat!

jizmo

01-16-2003, 02:13 PM

h-hey, cut me some slack here. :) It's hard these days to tell what's really worth the time and what's just some linux user's fanboy dream of open source. :wink: I've had a little more time to fool with it since then, and I'm absolutely convinced. A 320 bit mp3 converted to a 64 bit ogg sounds every bit as good to my ears over my medium qual headphones. A 64 bit mp3 on the other hand, sounds horribly flat and lifeless. I'll never carry an mp3 on my PPC again.!

I've been using OGG since MVP with OGG support came out, but I think that the PPC users in general didn't adopt the format back then. I'm glad to see that there are more converts now with this program. :wink: I was also very sceptical to start with .. I tried the format two years ago and back then it really, really sucked.

I have a drag/drop system on my PPC now. When I go out, I just choose a few albums from my hard disk (encoded @ 192kbps mp3), drop them on the encoder that outputs then directly to my e310. Even the tiny 64mb SD card holds 40-50 tunes with good quality, which is really more than enough.

OGG on PPC is a fabulous thing to have, glad to see that people appreciate it.

/jizmo

Martin I Pettinger

01-16-2003, 02:26 PM

Hi

I have installed this on my iPAQ 3850 and had a problem with crackly headphones when using the equalizer. However if I turn the preamp down it seems to fix this.

Few things - unless I am imagining things it sounds better than Windows Media Player 8.5 and easier to use. What would be bliss is a Spectrum Analyser or some animation - that would be so cool.

This is a real find and I tonight I am going to create some ogg files in fact this product along with ogg compression could see me listening much much more to music. Thanks to whoever posted the original message.

Martin :D

dazz

01-16-2003, 03:00 PM

It sounds like you're overdriving the output. Try lowering the PreAmp control on the left side of the EQ to about half.

Actually, I did try that as well and had it below half. Still the same an accented beats and the volume is still low. I'll try lowering it further but am not sure I can get the volume I need then.

Thanks Fish.

that_kid

01-16-2003, 03:12 PM

ekkie
I'm glad you're discovering the joy that many of us are starting to enjoy.

Word of advice though, I wouldn't convert your MP3s to Ogg unless you're trying to save significant space. As good as Ogg is, it's still lossy compression which means that your Ogg files will not sound as good as the MP3s UNLESS you re-rip all of those songs from the original source. *COUGH* Of course you still have those, right? :wink:

Actually 99% of all the music i have in mp3 format on vinyl and cd i own. I can't say that I haven't downloaded any music but it's frustrating trying to find music that is encoded high enough, doesn't sound distorted or is missing the whole middle section of the song. the Problem with doing it all again is that I have 35 gigs worth of mp3's and that's alot of music to re-encode :( , but I might give it a go anyhow.

patwoods

01-16-2003, 03:17 PM

I have a drag/drop system on my PPC now. When I go out, I just choose a few albums from my hard disk (encoded @ 192kbps mp3), drop them on the encoder that outputs then directly to my e310. Even the tiny 64mb SD card holds 40-50 tunes with good quality, which is really more than enough.

Can you tell me what app you use for the drag & drop encoding? I have a boatload of MP3's I want to do this to... thanks!

Evee Ev

01-16-2003, 03:32 PM

i downloaded the player, no problem. but the skin changer is still out of my grasp it seems. i push the upper left-hand button, tap the skin tap then tap the bottom right-hand button. i placed a skin in a folder and i tap on that folder and tap ok.

now back on the skin page i press the ok button at the top of the menu bar and it goes back into winamPAQ but no new skin.

i've read the instructions and i'm doing exactly what everyone says is the "solution" but to no avail. am i missing something?

that_kid

01-16-2003, 03:49 PM

I have a drag/drop system on my PPC now.

Can you tell me what app you use for the drag & drop encoding? I have a boatload of MP3's I want to do this to... thanks!

I'd Like to know too :D

PPC to go

01-16-2003, 04:57 PM

OK. I am a little late to this party I guess, but I would still like to play! I go to the posted web site and there is the 9.1 and 9.1a. The 9.1a downloaded but when I try to install it, the I get a message that "it is a valid file but is not for this system type". Never heard of this before. Do I put it on the PPC as is and execute it there somehow? The 9.1 download link sends me to a "todays Pocket PC" site in Korean (??). Can someone clue me in to how to try this out? Thanks.

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 05:07 PM

Actually 99% of all the music i have in mp3 format on vinyl and cd i own. I can't say that I haven't downloaded any music but it's frustrating trying to find music that is encoded high enough, doesn't sound distorted or is missing the whole middle section of the song. the Problem with doing it all again is that I have 35 gigs worth of mp3's and that's alot of music to re-encode :( , but I might give it a go anyhow.
Ouch. 35GBs might take a while. I suppose if any of those MP3s are encoded high enough (256kbps), then converting them over is no biggie in terms of sound quality. It doesn't help either that encoding to ogg takes much more horsepower right now compared to MP3/WMA.

Of course if the lossy doesn't bother you, then just using a conversion tool to run through and automatically convert all of your MP3s... may not be a bad thing to try...

Evee Ev

01-16-2003, 05:11 PM

ppc to go...just place that file that you download directly into a folder on your ppc. then go to the file explorer and click on it...

that_kid

01-16-2003, 05:45 PM

Ouch. 35GBs might take a while. I suppose if any of those MP3s are encoded high enough (256kbps), then converting them over is no biggie in terms of sound quality. It doesn't help either that encoding to ogg takes much more horsepower right now compared to MP3/WMA.

It's funny you said 256k because that's what I encoded all the music to. I wanted to have a high bitrate to start with just in case I needed to go lower for some reason or transfer back to cd if I somehow lost my main copy. I'll convert a few songs from mp3 to ogg and see how it sounds.

Foo Fighter

01-16-2003, 05:49 PM

No icon for this app? I'm getting the default Win32.exe icon. Any way to ad a custom job?

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 05:53 PM

No icon for this app? I'm getting the default Win32.exe icon. Any way to ad a custom job?
Hate that icon!!

One of these days I'm going to create a simple redirect program that can can use any custom icon and accept as an argument the link to the program you really want to run...

Actually, has anyone ever done this??

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 05:58 PM

It's funny you said 256k because that's what I encoded all the music to. I wanted to have a high bitrate to start with just in case I needed to go lower for some reason or transfer back to cd if I somehow lost my main copy. I'll convert a few songs from mp3 to ogg and see how it sounds.
Cool. For MP3s, 256 seems to be the sweet-spot for retaining CD-quality audio. You're probably in pretty good shape. I'm not sure what bitrate you normally listen to music on your PPC with (256k is pretty high unless you have a Toshiba 5GB PCMCIA HD). If it's anywhere around 96-192, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Good luck.

Foo Fighter

01-16-2003, 06:19 PM

Hmm....I keep getting LOTS of static and crackling when using the Equalizer. Anyone else? :?

dazz

01-16-2003, 06:48 PM

Hmm....I keep getting LOTS of static and crackling when using the Equalizer. Anyone else? :?

Foo,

Having the same problem. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. I'm using a Toshiba Genio e550g. If you are using the same...?

I tried turning down the preamp but still get static on the accented parts.

Grrrr... :evil:

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-16-2003, 06:58 PM

Foo,

Having the same problem. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. I'm using a Toshiba Genio e550g. If you are using the same...?
*giggle*

Follow this board enough and you'll know that it took a device like the Axim to finally get him out of the Palm camp!!

Underwater Mike

01-16-2003, 07:25 PM

I haven't seen anyone post a comparison between this and withMP3 in terms of sound quality (ogg support and price notwithstanding). Which one SOUNDS better?

Thanks.

Peter Traugot

01-16-2003, 07:31 PM

Can someone please shoot me the player at [email protected]

Thanks.

Underwater Mike

01-16-2003, 07:57 PM

Hmmm. I tried downloading some skins from WinAmp.com, and they're all in a .wal format, which this player doesn;t seem to recognize. Am I doing something wrong?

Foo Fighter

01-16-2003, 08:06 PM

Hmmm. I tried downloading some skins from WinAmp.com, and they're all in a .wal format, which this player doesn;t seem to recognize. Am I doing something wrong?

You have to use the older WinAmp 2.x compatible *.wsz format.

Underwater Mike

01-16-2003, 08:12 PM

You have to use the older WinAmp 2.x compatible *.wsz format.

Ah, thanks. Also, whenever I play a song or click on a title in the playlist, my display flips out: I get a bunch of strange characters in place of the text. Anyone else see this?

Guess I'll wait until it's polished a bit, including actual English text. Nice beta, though.

Foo Fighter

01-16-2003, 08:23 PM

Also, whenever I play a song or click on a title in the playlist, my display flips out: I get a bunch of strange characters in place of the text. Anyone else see this?

Yep, it's a beta bug.

asatyss

01-16-2003, 08:29 PM

the link works again, I just downloaded it.

felixdd

01-17-2003, 02:13 AM

For those that couldn't get the skins to work -- keep in mind that the *.wsz file is a package and that you need to unzip it with something like winzip, and then move it into a folder in your PPC.

I made that mistake a few times until I realized that. Hope someone out there benefits from this post![/b]

sudermatt

01-17-2003, 08:01 AM

It seems to only want to play the first 15-20 seconds of a song, then moves to the next song, plays for 10 seconds then moves on...

also, are you guys getting funny charact3rs in your song display window?

Thanks,
Matt

jeffmd

01-17-2003, 10:09 AM

suder, what you describe sounds exactly like an intro mode, but cant really locate any such intro mode in winamp. maybe its a bad mp3?

c-horse

01-17-2003, 11:55 AM

I just tested and bought withmp3 from Handango.
Link to the developers site : http://www.citsoft.net/product.asp
Price : 15.75 USD

Comment on Handango : " The withMP3 can handle MP1, MP2 and MP3 audio files and offers convenient interface and various functions. The withMP3 features 10-band graphic equalizer and preamp with user-definable presets that can automatically load specific files, playlist editor that can edit during playback, and dual (left-right) equalizer spectrum analyzer. Specially, the withMP3 v1.52 includes PFP(Playlist Favorite-Playing) function that can hear music that want to hear in playlist, wide-playlist function, and screen toggle function for electric power. "

I tested it for 40 hours, it runs very stable and the sound quality is ... awesome. The equalizer functionality is welcome, as I like electronic music that needs a lot of bass. Even the little built in ipaq speaker now produces a sound that is much better.

Reasons why I bought this :
WMP sucks big time when it comes to sound quality. I've been using an Ipaq for 3 years now and never was satisfied with the WMP sound quality. And lately it had problems opening some MP3 files stored on the SD of my 3950 Ipaq -- withMP3 had no problems whatsoever opening the same files.
The withMP3 sound quality and graphical user interface are to my likes.
It's stable -- although on the developers forum some people reported bugs. But the vendor reacted fast and good so it seems.
I am an audible.com customer as well, there is no interference with the audible player.

G

Evee Ev

01-17-2003, 02:49 PM

Rirath

01-17-2003, 03:01 PM

Hmm... that's word per word (sans bold) with:

You can do this with a .wsz by opening it in WinZip. Then, just put the folder somewhere on your PPC.

Ah well, sometimes a simple rewording can make a difference I guess. Moral of the story is, if at first you don't succeed... :)

(Edit: Just giving credit where due, forgot to enter the quote=Marauder)

Evee Ev

01-17-2003, 03:16 PM

rirath...now that i read your post again you were saying the same thing. my brain must be acting up again... :D

sudermatt

01-17-2003, 04:32 PM

suder, what you describe sounds exactly like an intro mode, but cant really locate any such intro mode in winamp. maybe its a bad mp3?

sometimes it plays 5 seconds, sometimes, 50, sometimes the whole song....

Is ANYBODY seeing strange characters in the song list?

The list is normal when you first bring it in, but after you highlight it, the font changes to symbol or something like that.

hmmmmmm...

Rirath

01-17-2003, 04:36 PM

That was answered too... page 8. I think people are skipping half the thread. It's a bug. (Or perhaps a Korean font thing)

01-17-2003, 08:24 PM

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-17-2003, 08:47 PM

Naive question,

With the PPC music players, such as the one Jason just posted about, will these players automatically recognize and play files in, e.g. both the mp3 AND the ogg format? The new freeware just posted only mentions mp3.
Well no. MP3 and OGG and WMA are all completely separate audio compression formats so if a music player is being developed, it's up to the developer to determine which compression formats he/she is going to customize the player to recognize. So pay attention to the notes or description to see which is supported.

I'd say 99.99% of the time, the player will play at least MP3 since it's so widespread. OGG is gaining more momentum and since it's freeware, it's becoming a popular second format to support. WMA is pretty popular as well, but I believe Microsoft charges royalties for anyone looking to support WMA or the WMA decoder (I could be wrong about that), so you may only see support for WMA in the larger more established PC apps. I don't know of any PPC apps that support WMA other than the media player that comes with the OS. Another format you may hear about is ATRAC which is what Sony uses with their digital players.

Janak Parekh

01-17-2003, 08:51 PM

I'd say 99.99% of the time, the player will play at least MP3 since it's so widespread. OGG is gaining more momentum and since it's freeware, it's becoming a popular second format to support.
Additionally, there is a free fixed-point decoder available for Ogg, so you might see more rapid adoption once people learn how to integrate it.

--janak

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-17-2003, 09:09 PM

01-17-2003, 10:02 PM

jeffmd

01-18-2003, 04:49 AM

TJ, your post are not entirly clear. what are you asking for? auto detect? yea.. its called extensions. see the .mp3 on the end of that file? thats an mp3. see the .ogg on that other file? thats an ogg file!

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-18-2003, 04:51 AM

Thanks for the clarification, ekkie.

Are there any PPC players that can auto-detect whether the format is, e.g., mp3 or ogg, or any of the others you mention? Sounds unlikely from your last post, that these are dedicated players. I ask because I have mp3, am considering encoding some new music in ogg, but mixing and matching new and old files, and deciding which ones to move over to PPC will be a pain. Is this likely in the near future, if its not available now?

Thanks
(waiting for Axim)
There are some freeware players that play both MP3 and Ogg: The player discussed in this thread is one, and the more popular one is called PocketMVP (http://home.adelphia.net/~mdukette/index.htm) which is also capable of playing MPEG4 video files in addition to MP3 and Ogg (be sure to check that one out).

With players that support both, you're free to mix-and-match to your heart's content. If you start getting real serious, do a search for a product called iPlay which is what Janak uses. From what I hear, no other player comes close in terms of functionality. but it does come with a cost.

Kati Compton

01-18-2003, 04:51 AM

The players can recognize the audio format IF it is an audio format supported by the particular program. If a player only supports .mp3's, that's all it will play. If the player supports .mp3's and WMAs, then you can have a mix of those files in your playlist or in memory or whatever, and you do not have to specify to the program what each file is. The player will figure that out on its own. IF the file type is supported.

Not sure if that's what you were asking.

Underwater Mike

01-18-2003, 05:18 AM

Have you been able to get the shuffle feature to work properly in withMP3? I haven't. No hover text, broken English in the program dialogs, and forget trying to get something useful from CIT tech support or from their boards.

I agree that it sounds pretty good, but the bells and whistles barely work or are unfathomable. If PocketMusic can get rid of its bugs, I'll go to that ASAP.

I just tested and bought withmp3 from Handango.
Link to the developers site : http://www.citsoft.net/product.asp
Price : 15.75 USD

...

I tested it for 40 hours, it runs very stable and the sound quality is ... awesome. The equalizer functionality is welcome, as I like electronic music that needs a lot of bass. Even the little built in ipaq speaker now produces a sound that is much better.

...

G

Hey, Jason, can't Spb do a killer audio player? :wink:

Janak Parekh

01-18-2003, 06:50 AM

With players that support both, you're free to mix-and-match to your heart's content. If you start getting real serious, do a search for a product called iPlay which is what Janak uses. From what I hear, no other player comes close in terms of functionality. but it does come with a cost.
Indeed. I mix Ogg's (new rips) and MP3's (old rips) and it handles them flawlessly. iPlay is far from free, though, and its user interface is not for the faint of heart. Being a computer scientist I'm not bothered by it, and its Microdrive caching capabilities are the best, by far. PocketMVP should be able to handle them seamlessly too...

--janak

01-18-2003, 02:49 PM

Thanks all, for once again decoding my questions. I will work harder to make my posts a bit more intelligible (had to look that word up for spelling, see, I'm trying already :) ). You've answered my questions right on, though. I'm not computer scientist (more of a biologist, immunologist), so the PocketMVP program is one I have now added to my "must have" list whenever the Axim arrives (my Visor Deluxe is dying a slow death).

Last question (not really :) ): Does a player come with the Dell Axim 400 MHz, and even if it does, is the PocketMVP clearly a superior program to whatever might come with the Dell (esp. for playing both OGG and mp3 files)?

You guys/girls are an incredible resource! In 5 years of lurking varous boards, this is the first one I've ever joined.

TJ

Kati Compton

01-18-2003, 07:36 PM

Last question (not really :) ): Does a player come with the Dell Axim 400 MHz, and even if it does, is the PocketMVP clearly a superior program to whatever might come with the Dell (esp. for playing both OGG and mp3 files)?

Yes - you get Microsoft's player, which plays WMAs and mp3's. It does not play OGG. Some people (I think) like this player. I find it difficult to use, especially in terms of playlist support. And I *AM* a computer engineer.

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-18-2003, 08:20 PM

Tricky question. In terms of standalone functionality, PocketMVP is superior. Windows Media Player sometimes stutters when you have other apps running and it has problems with MP3s encoded a certain way. You'll have little choice but to use Windows Media Player if you want to play WMAs. With MP3s you can use nearly any music player on the market. With OGG, you'll HAVE to use something other than Windows Media Player.

The playlist feature on PocketMVP is much better than Media Player. But if you ever want TOTAL control of playlisting then check out another app called CEPlaylist, which is the greatest playlist editor on this earth!! It works with both Windows Media Player and PocketMVP, BUT the one caveat is that it currently only works with WMA and MP3 (not OGGs).

Sorry, somewhat complicated answer, but the best thing to do is to play around with both and see what works best for you. They're both rather straightforward to play with.

01-18-2003, 08:54 PM

ekkie and kati42, thanks for the information. Better an accurate answer than an over-simplified one; very helpful.

Nice to know what others with more experience prefer, or how useful/intuitive they find software/hardware to be, especially those of you with computer and/or engineering experinence. I usually make note of those preferences.

Also I appreciate the patience. After "walking" in on this thread (I really had read through it once, believe it or not), and after re-reading it a second time, I realized my questions were somewhat lacking. I am learning, thanks quite a bit to this site (at least as a great starting point).

When I ordered the Axim, I also ordered the 3500 mAh battery, which I now see may be very useful for music listening. Also, understanding more about formats helps much as most of the music on my computer is in mp3, which sounds like the "safest" format. Switching to ogg seems worthwhile, but since even playlist editors (ekkie mentioned CEPlaylist) have not all yet picked up on ogg, maybe I will continue ripping music into mp3 for now.

Thanks

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-18-2003, 09:09 PM

TJ, we all started somewhere, I'm just glad we could be of help.

For the record, I do use OGGs with PocketMVP. I'm going to write to the author of CEPlaylist and ask for future support of OGG... as good as the playlist features of PocketMVP are (they are adequate), they only do maybe 1/5th of what CEPlaylist can do!!

Kati Compton

01-18-2003, 09:17 PM

I will switch to OGG when/if Frontier Labs comes out with a firmware update that lets me also play OGGs on my NexIIe. Until then, in order to share my big CF card between the PPC and the MP3 player I will be using VBR MP3s. (Note: The reason I also have a separate MP3 player is so I can take it places I would worry about my PPC, such as the gym... In case anyone was wondering/cares(

01-18-2003, 09:31 PM

Good idea, had not thought of that (separate mp3 player). I worry about the PPC at the gym, leaving it somewhere or even in the lockers.

I would have totally read over/missed the Dr. Ruth comment if ekkie had not pointed it out 8)

Kati Compton

01-18-2003, 09:50 PM

Good idea, had not thought of that (separate mp3 player). I worry about the PPC at the gym, leaving it somewhere or even in the lockers.

It works well - it's much lighter, fits more easily on my waist (and the smaller size means it's less likely to be dislodged when I'm pedaling/etc.). And if it falls off, there's much less delicate circuitry to be damaged.

I would have totally read over/missed the Dr. Ruth comment if ekkie had not pointed it out 8)

Sometimes I'm actually funny. :)

Janak Parekh

01-18-2003, 11:14 PM

I will switch to OGG when/if Frontier Labs comes out with a firmware update that lets me also play OGGs on my NexIIe.
This is, indeed, perhaps the single biggest reason people aren't adopting Ogg en masse. (Well, that, and that no Ogg software is bundled with a computer.) You can't count the number of people emailing Apple and begging them to include Ogg support into their iPods.

--janak

Kati Compton

01-18-2003, 11:45 PM

This is, indeed, perhaps the single biggest reason people aren't adopting Ogg en masse. (Well, that, and that no Ogg software is bundled with a computer.) You can't count the number of people emailing Apple and begging them to include Ogg support into their iPods.

I wouldn't doubt it. Frontier Labs claims to be working on OGG support for a firmware update to be available 2Q 2003. So I'm hopeful.

jeffmd

01-19-2003, 01:09 AM

iriver has also been claiming they are working on firmware updates for OGG support for their iriver MP3 CD players, but alas its been quite a few months now and nothing to show for it.

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-19-2003, 08:06 AM

Wow. Once these major brands of MP3 players support Ogg...

[Crossing My Fingers]

grohl

01-19-2003, 06:29 PM

Just to weigh in with this discussion, I've found a nice little program called Easy CD-DA extractor, it does on-the-fly CD extraction/encoding to ANY format (MP3, WMA, OGG) as well as the mass file conversions, all at multiple bitrate choices.

Check it out. I'm sure there are others; this one has suited me well for over a year.

jeffmd

01-21-2003, 08:56 AM

just an update... .92 is out now and it supports configurable button mapping. they also say something about mips and sh3 versions, but since ive been unable to find something that can translate the page, I cant tell what they say.

oh and theres a graphic icon for it. ;)

ctmagnus

01-21-2003, 11:07 PM

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-22-2003, 02:08 AM

I had to do a soft reset to get the icon to show though.
I believe that's more due to the OS than the program. Each program/executable has the icon stored within the file. The OS will search for this icon the first time you view it (via explorer, programs window, start menu, etc.). After that, the icon is cached in memory and reused each time you view the file. Obviously, the simplest way to empty its cache is to soft-reset.

ctmagnus

01-22-2003, 06:56 AM

I believe that's more due to the OS than the program. Each program/executable has the icon stored within the file. The OS will search for this icon the first time you view it (via explorer, programs window, start menu, etc.). After that, the icon is cached in memory and reused each time you view the file. Obviously, the simplest way to empty its cache is to soft-reset.

I opened the proggie thru the Start-->Programs folder but it still had the default icon. I then went into Explorer and it had the new icon but the old one was still on the Start Menu when I went there again. That's why I did a soft reset, and now everything's just peachy. :)

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-22-2003, 11:04 AM

I opened the proggie thru the Start-->Programs folder but it still had the default icon. I then went into Explorer and it had the new icon but the old one was still on the Start Menu when I went there again. That's why I did a soft reset, and now everything's just peachy. :)
Interesting... I guess the OS only caches the start menu icons... in any case, I'm glad they've got an icon now...

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-22-2003, 08:20 PM

Found an English version to the WinamPaq site and the application...

You can find it here (http://www.projecteam.org/phpwiki/index.php/WinamPAQ%20-%20PDS).

The English version says it's designed for the LOOX... I'll try it out anyway...

NOTE: it appears that the "English" version is nothing more than a zero byte download... perhaps they'll have something later...

jeffmd

01-22-2003, 10:20 PM

wow thats..freaky. not 9 hours ago I posted on the msg board (you have to go to the front the site to get to it) about some english "whats new" translations. the thing was I was the first english post, ever other post was in korean. now all of a sudden bam, korean wiped out and everythings in english and he has an english version of the program avail (thought as noted above, file is dead atm).

darius779

01-23-2003, 10:13 AM

The link to the english version now works.. There are still problems with messed up text in the playlist..

jeffmd

01-23-2003, 10:43 AM

that sucks, how ever I didnt really expect it to be fixed by an english patch. the font used in the play list comes with what ever skin you use, most skins are english (like, %99) so what ever is wrong with the play list is a display bug, not a language setting.

tekipaq

01-23-2003, 05:19 PM

:( With .92 either Korean or English Version I am unable to access the skin menu or figure out how to map the buttons....It used to be the url button. Please let me know how anyone has been able to access the configuration and new features of this build.

Thanks :)

dazz

01-23-2003, 06:41 PM

I'm having a bit of a problem. I can't seem to use the equalizer on OGG files. Is this a program limitation or a glitch?

just in case - have songs at 64KB/s at 44100 (does that sound right?)

tekipaq

01-23-2003, 07:03 PM

:roll: Unfortunately it appears to be a limitation, as I also have found that the equalizer does not function with oggs....Have you been able to configure skins or buttons....I'm still unable to find the configuration on the .92 version.

However the ogg files have very good sound quality...I've compressed them down to the lowest quality and am quite happy with the results....

Please let me know if anyone else has the problem of nothing happening when choosing the upper button of the +File button, which used to open up the skin configuration screen???????????Thanks much. :?:

ctmagnus

01-23-2003, 11:41 PM

Please let me know if anyone else has the problem of nothing happening when choosing the upper button of the +File button, which used to open up the skin configuration screen???????????Thanks much. :?:

Doesn't work for me. I don't believe it worked in the previous version either, though.

jeffmd

01-23-2003, 11:59 PM

the config and skins menues I have allways accessed by the small dot (err well.. may very on your default skin ^^) thats in the upper left hand corner, just below the windows button.

tekipaq

01-24-2003, 12:56 AM

:cry: I tried the upper left hand corner under the start button and nothing happens....any other suggestions or could you attach a copy of your skin that allows you to access the configurations? I am using an IPAQ 3600 series PPC.

Thanks for all your assitance...I'm ready to go back to using .91a...... 8O

Has anyone been able to configure the buttons??? All the best...

ctmagnus

01-24-2003, 01:33 AM

:cry: I tried the upper left hand corner under the start button and nothing happens....any other suggestions or could you attach a copy of your skin that allows you to access the configurations? I am using an IPAQ 3600 series PPC.

In the default skin, it looks like a yellow ~ with a rather faint line through it. If nothing happens when you tap on it, I'd guess you either have a slightly corrupt download or a dead spot on your touch screen :eek: .

zarxic

01-24-2003, 02:27 AM

I can't figure out the skinning either. When I tap on the yellow ~ in the top corner, go to the skins tab, and select my directory, nothing happens. I click ok and it just puts me back to the main screen. :? I'm trying to use the right format, it just doesn't seem to work. Any help will be appreciated here. Thanks.

darius779

01-26-2003, 09:17 PM

A new version of winampaq has been released, fixing the list bug :)

http://www.projecteam.org/phpwiki/index.php/WinamPAQ%20-%20PDS

tekipaq

01-28-2003, 07:47 PM

8O Well I just got my IPAQ swapped out and guess what....The hotspot in the upper left corner still does not work....I've tried downloading both the Korean and English Versions and I cannot access the configuration menu on version .92. :cry:

Does anyone have any suggestions for IPAQ running PC 2000, as I cannot change the buttons or the skins on the current version of WinAmPAQ....I have been using the old version for now....any assistance would be appreciated....

Are there any other ways to get to the WinAmPAQ configurations on .92?

Thanks again, :roll:

Buddha

01-28-2003, 09:24 PM

Tekipaq
Well there is another way to change the skin, but its dirty. :D

You can open the .exe on your desktop with Resource Hacker (http://www.users.on.net/johnson/resourcehacker/) and change all the default skins images with the images from your new skin and then copy the .exe back to your IPAQ. I used Resource Hacker aswell with one of the earlier versions that didn't have a nice Icon and replaced it with a new icon. At the same time I did some skin tryouts and that worked aswell.

btw i use an ipaq3850 and winamPAQ 0.92SP1 works fine here, (the dot and all) the older versions aswell.

tekipaq

01-28-2003, 11:45 PM

:o Thanks much for your idea and the utility....I'm still scratching my head as to why the "little tilde" does not open the configuration...Mmm

The URL button used to open the configuration in .91....maybe they should reintroduce it...anyways thanks much.

ctmagnus

01-29-2003, 06:12 AM

Do you use Transcriber (calligrapher may work but I've never tried it.)? If so, you can pull it up in a window such as Programs or Settings and write all over that spot to see if it is truly dead.

taxus

02-21-2003, 04:13 AM

This might help someone else.

I had to disable Norton Internet Security 2003 in order to download WinamPaq. With NIS2003 enabled, all I got was a blank HTML page.

Evee Ev

02-24-2003, 07:10 PM

i think i read somewhere in this forum that musicmatch has the ability to rip cd's to the .ogg format?

in the recorder settings tab musicmatch has a feature for custom quality. they have "mp3 vbr", "mp3 cbr", and "windows media". is the "mp3 vbr" supposed to be the .ogg format? or the "mp3 cbr"?

(i have the free download version so the option may not be there).

Janak Parekh

02-24-2003, 07:23 PM

in the recorder settings tab musicmatch has a feature for custom quality. they have "mp3 vbr", "mp3 cbr", and "windows media". is the "mp3 vbr" supposed to be the .ogg format? or the "mp3 cbr"?
None of those are Ogg. Ogg has a VBR mode, but it's different than MP3 VBR.

I personally use CDex (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net) - the 1.5 beta version - it works very well.

--janak

ctmagnus

02-24-2003, 11:51 PM

I do a two-step: Exact Audio Copy (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/) and RazorLame (http://www.dors.de/razorlame/index.php).

Evee Ev

02-25-2003, 05:44 PM

i just ripped a file from a cd to the .ogg and .mp3 format at 64Kbps. the .ogg file is 2081KB and the .mp3 file is 2050KB. i'm not seeing the "huge" compression that the .ogg file offers. i'm using cdex to rip from the cd. it seems like some people are experiencing more file compression than this. hmm...

PetiteFlower

02-25-2003, 08:17 PM

I can actually answer this, I've been paying attention!

The point of OGG is that you can rip at a lower bitrate without getting a lower quality. Yes, a 64 kbps mp3 and ogg will be the same size because that's what kbps means--it's how many kilobites are used per second of play time. But the ogg will sound a LOT better. From what I've been reading, it seems like you can rip an ogg at 48kbps and get the same quality as a 128 kbps mp3.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I've misread :)

Evee Ev

02-25-2003, 08:50 PM

you........are.......so.....beautiful.......to....me!!!!

Janak Parekh

02-25-2003, 08:53 PM

The point of OGG is that you can rip at a lower bitrate without getting a lower quality.
Yup, that's exactly it. By definition, a 64kbps-encoded stream is going to be the same size (or nearly identical -- since the two are using VBR, you're not going to get exactly 64kbps).

--janak

jeffmd

02-25-2003, 09:22 PM

petit, 48 isnt anywhere near the quality of a 128kbps mp3.

2 quality points over mp3, first in the high end, ogg becomes virtually free of artifacts at around 160-196Kbps, while mp3 still has some easy to identify artifacts in the high frequencies (most noticably, symbols will sound different) even if you use as high as 320Kbits per second, the problem is caused by the mp3 algorythem, not the lack of bandwidth.

the second quality point is below 128kbytes. Mp3 falls apart quickly and is one of the poorest low bitrate compressions out there. even wma and real audio fair better when you hit 64Kbits per second. ogg how ever is surprisingly enjoyable at 64kbps. I ran a 64Kbit icecast (shoutcast but for OGG files too) server and while it was a pain to get peeps connected, alo of people were surprised at the quality.

anyways.. as a reference point, 96Kbps is slightly above 128Kbps mp3, and 80kbps is slightly below.

PetiteFlower

02-25-2003, 11:38 PM

Ok, it was just something I read on here, no guarantee of truth in posts here!

I think I'm listening to MP3s ripped at 96kbps on the ppc right now, a 64kbps ogg would probably be perfectly fine to my amateur ears. Audiophiles with better quality headphones would of course want better :)

Rirath

02-26-2003, 12:20 AM

petit, 48 isnt anywhere near the quality of a 128kbps mp3.

For me, 48bit Ogg sounds exactly like a 128bit mp3. That's over my car's stereo or headphones on the Axim, not on my desktop's surround system. Everyone's different, but I know I'm far from alone on this. Perhaps you just have a better stereo system in your car or better headphones. Or you just care more than I do. :)

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

02-26-2003, 08:37 AM

That's exactly right, PetiteFlower. Comparing the file sizes of two 64kbps files is like that old school trick when kids would ask what weighs more... a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? :wink:

The real question is, which packs more "punch"? I don't know a single person that listens to their music in 64kbps MP3 format, but there are several on this board that do that (and less) with OGG, including myself.

The other thing to note is that OGG is VBR (Variable Bit Rate) as opposed to CBR (Constant Bit Rate), which most people use with MP3 or WMA. VBR means that more bits will be used for the more complex sections of an audio clip and less are used for simpler portions. So while the OGG may display as ripping at "64kbps", it's really just an average meaning that the resultant file size may vary compared to a true 64kbps MP3 clip.

Evee Ev

02-26-2003, 03:57 PM

.ogg files ripped at 48kbps are a little fuzzy on my desktop speakers through winamp. i'm using koss porta pros on the ppc and the songs sound great! i re-encoded the songs i had on my sd card which were 128kbps(.mp3) and ripped them to 48kbps(.ogg) to save a whole lotta room.

jeffmd

02-26-2003, 04:59 PM

Janak Parekh

02-26-2003, 05:27 PM

eeehhh... we have some SAD sound systems here.

I can understand not hearing a difference on a car stereo system if your still running on a PoS factory install, and I guess if your useing those god awful ear buds, or an equially god awfull pair of desktop speakers, but I assure you you would have to be deafer then a granny in a wind tunnel to not hear the difference between 64kbit ogg and 128kbit mp3 on anything deascent.
Well, it's all relative. I personally can't take 128kbps MP3s anymore -- percussion and vocals sound terrible in my opinion, so I don't rip at anything less than 160kbps. To each their own! :D

--janak

Buddha

02-27-2003, 02:26 AM

Well said Janak, its all relative, bitrate is just like the color of a car: some people think they look cool in a yellow car and some other people will think yellow is for dorks and prefer a pink one! 8O There is only one way to find out what fits you and that is to tryout for yourself. Encode a couple of songs at different bitrates and see what you can live with.

jeffmd

02-27-2003, 05:54 AM

buddah, hehe, well, not QUITE. I can use spectro graphs to prove audio quality levels... how ever a machiene isnt going to beable to tell different between a cars speeds, saftey, and durability over a cars color. ;)

Janak Parekh

02-27-2003, 06:03 AM

buddah, hehe, well, not QUITE. I can use spectro graphs to prove audio quality levels...
True, but ear sensitivity is a very inexact science. I also think it's a bit of training. For example, I listen to a fair amount of classical music, which tends to suffer much more quickly at low bitrates, and as such I tend to notice artifacts at 128kbps and lower. I don't think it's because I have superior audio hardware, though. ;)

--janak

platinum

03-01-2003, 06:35 PM

Hmm, the little "dot" doesn't work for me either :cry: ipaq 3630 Everything else seems to work fine though... Maybe you could make the winamp thunderbolt (on the base skin) a link to the config page as well? :)

TheNewSteve

04-30-2003, 11:11 PM

Finally got the skinning to work. And upgraded from 1.91 to 1.93... much better, more stable and everything.

Although a couple times it would seem to bomb off into digital noise and distorted /slowed down music. But this hasn't happened again after those couple times and closing the program and starting again fixed it. Weird.

-Steve

Jonathon Watkins

06-05-2003, 09:44 PM

I have a drag/drop system on my PPC now. When I go out, I just choose a few albums from my hard disk (encoded @ 192kbps mp3), drop them on the encoder that outputs then directly to my e310. Even the tiny 64mb SD card holds 40-50 tunes with good quality, which is really more than enough.

What encoder do you use and how does it output the Ogg files? Does it save them to the 'My Device- My documents' folder?

stf

10-05-2003, 11:06 PM

It''s very interesting to know there's a free Ogg player for Pocket PC. What I'm interested to know is if this player is 100% Unicode-compliant.

Why do I need so? For the very simple reason that I've got song names in Chinese, Japanese and French.

I think people are going to tell me: hey dude, Pocket PC is Unicode-based and of course every application is Unicode-compiant.

Well, well, out of miracle, I manage to find that the Real Player isn't Unicode compliant. So I've got to rename my song names to meaningless strings like a00001.rm, etc so that Real Player could read them! For less than 10 songs, it's still OK, but if you've got tens of songs renamed, you would really feel pissed off. Moreover, Real Player takes more than 1 MB memory but all I need is to listen to songs! What a cr*ppy and $h*tty product !

JustinGTP

10-06-2003, 05:15 AM

Bringing this thread back from the dead, eh? It would most likely be easier if you started a new thread, chances are, people won't sift throught all the 16 pages of this thread. :D

-Justin.

enemaopaco

07-10-2006, 11:41 PM