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Janak Parekh
01-11-2003, 12:00 AM
Christian Torring, a avid Pocket PC Thoughts reader and maintainer of his own site (<a href="http://www.pdamed.dk">www.pdamed.dk</a>), writes in with a review of a new European Pocket PC. Read on - I think you'll find it strongly resembles a number of different Pocket PCs, as I mentioned in an article a <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6491">few weeks ago</a> and for which he's done some <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7028">follow-up research</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-4M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-4.JPG" /></a><br /><!><br /><br />This Pocket PC is interesting because it came on the market without any warning, and without any information available on the Internet.<br /><br />Medion makes/sells computers and electronic hardware in Europe, and has a reputation of sticking their name on things they don't produce themselves.<br /><br />I had a hunch that this Pocket PC was identical to the Mitac Mio 338, and maybe also the Viewsonic v35 and Packard Bell PocketGear 2030. All these Pocket PCs look pretty much the same, and have roughly the same specifications, so I jumped at the opportunity to purchase this device at a very reduced price.<br /><br />I am now nearly 100% certain that the Medion is identical to the Mitac Mio 338, and I think that Mitac has developed it, but I cannot prove this. If you compare the pictures of the Medion with the Mitac, you will see the striking resemblance, and some of the Medion's bundled software has pictures of another Mitac PPC (the 558). After resetting, the PPC shows a Medion logo. <br /><br /><i>For more information on the Mitac Mio 338, check out these links:</i><li>Press release: <a href="http://www.mitac.com/micweb/news/pr-file/pr021113.htm">http://www.mitac.com/micweb/news/pr-file/pr021113.htm</a><br /><li>Specifications: <a href="http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=MIO338">http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=MIO338</a><b><span>Specifications</span></b><li><b>Processor:</b> Intel PXA250 - 200 MHz<br /><li><b>Screen:</b> Transflective TFT, 3.5", 65,536 colours (16bit)<br /><li><b>ROM:</b> 32MB<br /><li><b>RAM:</b> 64MB SDRAM (usable 36MB)<br /><li><b>Ports:</b> SD/MMC, IR, Headphone, Power, connector for USB-cradle<br /><li><b>Weight:</b> 120 grams<br /><li><b>Dimensions:</b> 12.3 x 7.7 x 1.2 cm<br /><li><b>Case:</b> Foldable light brown leather (or imitated leather) case with magnetic closure<br /><li><b>Price:</b> $350 US in Denmark, equivalent to $250-300 US in North America<b><span>In the box</span></b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-1M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-1.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-2M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-2.JPG" /></a><br /><br /><b><span>First impressions</span></b><br /><br /><b>Build quality, stylus, buttons, speaker and microphone:</b> This is by far the smallest and lightest Pocket PC I have ever held. It is as light as the smallest Palm, as thin, and only slightly longer.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-5M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-5.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-6M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-6.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-7M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-7.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-8M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-8.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The plastic feels like plastic and is a little flexible, but the PDA feels very good to hold with its slightly rounded edges. There is a small hole in the upper left corner, and I assume it's for hanging the PDA from your neck; I don't know if that is useful or not. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-10M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-10.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-11M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-11.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The stylus is of the telescopic type, and it automatically extends when pulled out. It is very slippery, but pretty solid to hold and use, and it seems to be made of aluminium. The stylus is also difficult to get out when the PDA is in the case, because it is situated on the back instead of the side, and I have begun using my old iPaq stylus instead (slipping it into the case).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-9M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-9.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The buttons feel very good, and I particularly like to see a jog-wheel on the left side. The D-pad has 4 directions (that means no action button) and it is difficult to push up and to the side at the same time (so not very good for games, but not different from other Pocket PCs).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-15M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-15.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The power button is on the top, and is easy to push. The record button is on the left side, and can be easily pushed by accident (will turn on the device).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-12M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-12.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-13M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-13.JPG" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-14M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-14.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The speaker is of relatively good quality and surprisingly loud, but makes the whole thing vibrate. The microphone is of poor quality, but no worse than the one in my Casio E200.<br /><br /><b>The screen:</b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-16M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-16.JPG" /></a><br /><br />The screen is great; I was not expecting to see such quality at this price. I compared the screen to the iPaq 3970, and it is just as good in most regards. I took a long time comparing them with low ambient lighting, and the only difference was that the iPaq could be set a little bit brighter and the Medion had some wavy irregularities of the lighting at the bottom when viewed from certain angles. Also, when viewing very bright objects, like a card in Solitaire on the green background, it effects the tone of the background onto the sides of the card. I only just noticed this problem, and have not compared it to the iPaq, but it is not really a problem for me. Do remember that this Pocket PC only has a 3.5" screen.<br /><br />The screen is VERY bright; even when turned to the lowest setting, it is brighter than the Casio E200 at its HIGHEST setting. It would actually be nice if the brightness could be set a little lower, because it would improve the battery life. When the backlight is turned off, the screen is disappointingly dark to look at, not as good as my iPaq 3660 or Casio E200 and I would not want to use it this way.<br /><br /><b>Battery:</b> The manual says 8 hour of continuous use, and after that, you get 72 hours before data is lost. I have found the specifications for the Mitac Mio 338, which are much more detailed, and they say: <i>Un-swappable Lithium Ion, 900mAh, Active - 8 hours, Suspend - 14 days, Shut Down Retain memory state for a minimum of 72 hours after low battery shut down.</i> In formal testing I let it run with half brightness without using it. Half brightness is significantly brighter than on the Casio, but this is what I will compare it to because it is the most likely setting in practise. The Casio has a 950 mah Li-Ion battery and also runs at 200 MHz, but using the older StrongArm processor. During the testing the Casio had a CF card installed, and the Medion an SD card.<br /><br /><i>Results:</i><li><b>8-month-old Casio E200 with CF card:</b> <i>3 hours 20 minutes </i>before turn off (2:10 before first warning)<br /><li><b>Medion with SD card:</b> <i>5 hours </i>before turn off (3:20 before first warning) I think this is a surprisingly good result, considering the VERY high brightness the Medion has when run at this setting. I will do the same test, at the lowest setting, some other time.<br /><br />The Medion could play <b>MP3 files for 5 hours</b>, with the screen turned off, before the battery level was too low to play.<br /><br /><b>MP3 playback</b>: Surprisingly rich sound. I tested the device by playing <i>"Taxi Ride"</i> by <i>Tori Amos</i> encoded in 192kbps from the original CD. I used my superb <i>Sony MDR-EX70LP</i> head phones, and was pleased to notice a crisp and loud sound quality. The ubiquitous click before every playback is still there (just the first track). Only HP seems to have fixed this problem with the iPaq 5450. I would have no problem using this device as my primary MP3 player, if I didn't already have a Panasonic MP3 player. Background playback from the SD card was not interrupted by accessing the SD card with another program.<br /><br /><b>Cradle:</b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-17M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-17.JPG" /></a><br /><br />Feels solid, and uses USB, with a power-in built into the USB-connector. The Power-in-plug is a little bit smaller than the one used in iPaqs and Casios, but is otherwise a standard plug (the same as the one used in many cellular phones).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-18M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-18.JPG" /></a><br /><br />It is pretty difficult to connect the PDA to the cradle, and just as hard to pull it out, but after a couple of days use it loosened up a bit. I would have preferred a USB cable with the possibility to charge via the USB outlet, like the new iPaqs, but that is probably just me. You will not be able to sync in the cradle with any kind of case on, unless some kind of flip top lid is designed (there is some room behind the device, but not to the sides and under it). <br /><br /><b>Speed:</b> Transferring to the device was as fast as on my Casio E200, but transferring to the SD card was surprisingly slow; more than 5 times slower than to internal memory (I timed a transfer of a 12MB program to the SD card: It took 11 minutes to transfer it, and after that it took another 9 minutes to finish the installation). It is a lot slower than with the same SD card in the Casio, but running programs from the SD card worked fine, and I can't tell the difference between running from internal memory and the SD card.<br /><br />Screen update is good; while scrolling is not as fluid as on my Casio (which uses double buffering), it is more fluid than on my iPaq 3660. Looking up stuff from the large reference works I use is just as fast as on the iPaq and Casio, but maybe just a little bit slower than on the the iPaq 38XX and 39XX (no direct comparison though).<br /><br />Boot-up time is as fast as the other Pocket PCs, that is, after a soft reset. By the way, a surprising thing happens after a soft reset: if you delete any system file, e.g. a shortcut, it will magically reappear after a reset. This must be because of the system residing in RAM instead of ROM as it does on most Pocket PCs.<br /><br /><b>The case:</b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-3M.JPG"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/reviewimages/parekh-jan03-medion-3.JPG" /></a><br /><br />As you can see, the Medion Pocket PC comes with a very nice foldable case, but as you can also see, the colour is disgusting, or at least not to my taste. Why not just make it black?<br /><br />The material is probably imitated leather, but feels nice, and the closure is magnetic. It is difficult to get the stylus out, when in the case, but you can leave it out a little bit without fear of it falling out, because of the case's high friction.<br /><br /><b><span>Conclusions</span></b><br /><br /><b>What I like:</b><li>X-Scale (should be power saving, but only 200 MHz)<br /><li>Very cheap<br /><li>Brilliant screen<br /><li>Small size<br /><li>Low weight<br /><li>Nice buttons<br /><li>Jog-dial<br /><li>Very good battery life, although only 900mAh<br /><li>Good speaker and good quality MP3 playback<br /><li>Decent case<br /><li>SD/MMC port with good execution of software<b>What I dislike:</b><br /><li>Ugly coloured case<br /><li>Only 36 + 5 MB usable memory<br /><li>SD/MMC port probably not SDIO<br /><li>Slow transfer to SD card<br /><li>Un-swappable battery<br /><li>Plastic like feel<br /><li>Telescopic stylus could be subject to wear<br /><li>Stylus very slippery<br /><li>Anonymous hardware manufacturer (so far), so system updates could be a problem This is a very nice and cheap device that clearly surpasses most other Pocket PCs on the market with regards to size, weight, screen and battery life, but clearly not in expandability and connectivity. The Medion Pocket PC has an excellent screen, good battery life, good sound quality, very small size and weight, and is generally well built.<br /><br />I feel confident that we will see many Pocket PCs the coming months, based on this very device; a couple of them have already surfaced (I believe), like the Mitac Mio 338 and Packard Bell PocketGear 2030. If I am right, we will also see accessories coming out, because there will quickly be a demand for them, but until then, you are stuck with a pretty basic device with a brilliant screen.

Boxster S
01-11-2003, 12:07 AM
It's a clone of the Viewsonic V35. Even uses the same stylus and cursor pad.

Janak Parekh
01-11-2003, 12:36 AM
It's a clone of the Viewsonic V35. Even uses the same stylus and cursor pad.
Except, interestingly, the processor. All the other "clones" as Christian pointed out all use the 200MHz XScale.

--janak

vincentsiaw
01-11-2003, 12:40 AM
Compare to the axim 300 mhz which one better you think ?

Janak Parekh
01-11-2003, 12:40 AM
Compare to the axim 300 mhz which one better you think ?
I'd say that this unit (as well as the Viewsonic) is a cross between a 1910 and an Axim 300MHz, in price, features, and size.

--janak

huangzhinong
01-11-2003, 01:00 AM
I become more and more puzzled. why every pocket pc looks so like? why every spec has so little difference? There is NO innovation in PocketPC in these two years at all(except H1910). Will HP, Dell, Toshiba or viewsonic feel any shame? Innovate or die!!! Learn something from Sony, although i hate Palm OS.

tw
01-11-2003, 02:14 AM
I thought I let you know that the Yakumo Delta (http://www.yakumo.de/produkte/index.php?pid=1&ag=PDAs) sold in Germany since mid-December by Vobis (http://web.vobis.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/de/-/EUR/DisplayProductInformation-Short;sid=8q3nnJPzrA_nnK3sn7w-xfWX0JeTHMrXBM4=?ProductID=mLTZWWZlyAMAAADx6ESzErrl&xyz=%23xyz%23), a retail chain, for €333 is - like the Medion PPC - also another clone of the Mitac Mio338.

http://www.yakumo.de/grafik/produkte/pda/1018862_1.jpg

heov
01-11-2003, 03:00 AM
looks an aweful lot alike to the jornada 560... maybe they just loved that design ;)

ECOslin
01-11-2003, 03:23 AM
I don't think I'm wrong in thinking that somewhere, in the far-orient, is a factory, with an unpronounceable name(for me :) ) on 'Factory road #8' or the like, that produces the same internal parts and sends them out to dozens of companies that put their case design and name on the end product.

Edward

darren
01-11-2003, 04:38 AM
There is a small hole in the upper left corner, and I assume it's for hanging the PDA from your neck; I don't know if that is useful or not.

I just think that this hole is for putting some decorations on the Pocket PC with a thread.
Maybe this is designed for female Pocket PC users...

ECOslin
01-11-2003, 05:41 AM
Like a wrist lanyard. Before your time :) there used little handheld things used to all have lanyards to wrap around your wrist when you're either afraid to drop it or when you want to be careless and swing it around.

Edward

Ekkie Tepsupornchai
01-11-2003, 06:40 AM
I feel confident that we will see many Pocket PCs the coming months, based on this very device; a couple of them have already surfaced (I believe), like the Mitac Mio 338 and Packard Bell PocketGear 2030.
Oooohhhh yeahh... Packard Bell is entering the fray.... I wonder how many substandard / nonstandard parts they'll find that they can squeeze into this device...

Delta737
01-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Strange (and a real shame) that it's only a 4-directional Pad :? :cry:

That makes it useless for games

torring
01-11-2003, 10:00 AM
Check out this thread:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7028

Some people have posted info about other PocketPCs that look like this one, and just to follow up on everything, I think we can now say that these devices are more or less the same:

Medion MDPPC 100 (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=63324)
Yakumo Delta (http://www.yakumo.de/produkte/index.php?pid=1&ag=PDAs)
NEC 200e (http://www.foxpop.ndirect.co.uk/roadtesting2/nec/200e_cover.htm)
Packard Bell PocketGear 2030 (http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2518.html)
ViewSonic Pocket PC V35 (http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2709830-404-20758312.html)
Mitac Mio 338 (http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=MIO338)

This brings the total up to 6 devices that are potentially based on the same hardware.

What I would like are some close up pictures of the connectors for these devices. If they are the same, there is good basis for add on hardware development.

torring
01-11-2003, 05:58 PM
Compare to the axim 300 mhz which one better you think ?

Hard to say, but if size matters I'd take the Medion. The Dell IS very expandable though.

Janak Parekh
01-11-2003, 08:49 PM
Hard to say, but if size matters I'd take the Medion. The Dell IS very expandable though.
Also, can you get the Axim in Europe?

--janak

torring
01-13-2003, 05:50 PM
Also, can you get the Axim in Europe?


Not yet, it is to be released february 2nd in the UK, I hope that also means the rest of Europe.

tw
01-13-2003, 07:11 PM
In Germany it will be released in February too according to Dell.

Ardon
05-21-2003, 08:21 PM
I found one of these advertised here about 2 months ago and I searched the product on the web and came across this site. After reading the rave reveiws here I placed an order and was looking foward to it arriving. I wanted this PDA because it promised web access etc from anywhere.
This had turned out not to be the case.

The only way it will connect to msn messenger is through my fantastic Medion pc's adsl connection and in its cradle. Pretty pointless really as I may as well use my proper keyboard and screen. It will also only display web home pages and nothing deeper.

I have scoured the web for accessories such as wi-fi and a normal phone line modem, and there are none compatible with this device and Medion themselves were pretty useless when I asked them about add ons.

So I find myself with nothing more than a gloryfied paper notepad which would have cost me 29 pence and do the job as claimed.

I am not at all impressed and I am gonna try and return it for a refund. It does not do what it claims too!!!

Regardless of its non-existant web options - It is an amazing tool!

Just not a lot of good to me!!!!!!!!!!!! :devilboy:

Janak Parekh
05-21-2003, 10:35 PM
I found one of these advertised here about 2 months ago and I searched the product on the web and came across this site. After reading the rave reveiws here I placed an order and was looking foward to it arriving. I wanted this PDA because it promised web access etc from anywhere.
This had turned out not to be the case.
I hope you weren't basing that opinion on the review. Christian specifically mentioned that the SD slot is probably not SDIO, and never mentioned a CF slot. If you want GPRS capability, there is IR, and you might also be able to get a serial cable to work.

--janak

Ardon
05-30-2003, 08:57 PM
I found one of these advertised here about 2 months ago and I searched the product on the web and came across this site. After reading the rave reveiws here I placed an order and was looking foward to it arriving. I wanted this PDA because it promised web access etc from anywhere.
This had turned out not to be the case.
I hope you weren't basing that opinion on the review. Christian specifically mentioned that the SD slot is probably not SDIO, and never mentioned a CF slot. If you want GPRS capability, there is IR, and you might also be able to get a serial cable to work.

--janak

I am not slagging the review off at all!

It persuaded me to buy the device and Christian is not at fault. Medion and toysrus are for selling badly advertised goods.

IR is too expensive.

Regards

ardon.................

fantom4
06-12-2003, 08:00 AM
same as Mitac just take a look at the downloadable user guide, they are the same. One is 2 pages longer.

I have contacted Medion in the UK and they are crap. I asked them if the knew what type of SD slot it was ie SDIO, Also if there was a Pocket PC 2003 update, heres what they said

"At this moment I am not aware of any updates for 2003, all updates for our components are always posted on to Medions web site.

www.medion.co.uk

The sd/mmc slot will only take these cards and no others e.g. wireless and bluetooth.



Regards Paul ".



So why does the Mitac Mio 338 take SDIO. and the Medion does not.?

Anyways anyone in the UK want to buy this Medion PPC which I will sell next month july 03 as I getting a Dell AXIM. LOL

Email me, I'm in South Yorkshire.