sneak peak at the next ipaq

[jornadaholic]

this looks completely awsome 8O and may make me actually buy an ipaq if it ever comes out
http://www.pocketgamer.org/newspics/hp-qui.gif
download the vid here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/files/top_secret.zip)
looks a little like a jornada 928 but with it own full sized keyboard and if its a fake then some one went through a lot of trouble just to fool us all

thanks to pocketgamer.org and pocketpcitalia.com

[Edit by Admin: the file download now links to the file on Thoughts]

[mookie123]

Wow, I love it. It's a mock up tho' If you watch when the guy tap it's screen. The screen doesn't change at all. (Menu bar stays on)

- It answers the Zaurus SlC-700
- little on the bigger size, and the keyboard looks flimsy.
- love the metallic look.
- the screen is still QVGA, what's up with that?
-doesn't seem to have wireless built in. (what's that 2 other LEDS for tho'?)


I wonder how long HP lawyers will yank that macromedia file from the net. Better save the file quick. Once it make the PPCT front page. poof......it'll be all gone.

[Delta737]

WOOOW. I would DEFINATTELY buy that one. Small, but a keyboard included. Really really like the concept!

[Paul P]

That is cool. Sweet design. Great seeing HP expanding its PocketPC line.

I love how the keyboard unfolds. I wish the screen was a little bigger.

Is that an SD or a CF slot?

I wonder how long HP lawyers will yank that macromedia file from the net.

We've had quite a few leaks from HP lately. Almost seems like they are intentional on their part. :confused totally:

[Gremmie]

I wonder if this is the supposive next model due out in Feb.

[handheldplanet]

Cool, cool, cool. Would I buy it? Absolutely. I switch PPC's monthly anyway. I'd love to see something like this!

[FredMurphy]

Well, my first reaction from your pic above was "Photoshop fake!" especially with the filename of top_secret.zip and the news braking on Christmas Day, but you're right - that is a LOT of effort to go to for a practical joke. Maybe it's a concept rather than a production unit. :?

If it's real then there's going to be another shakeup in the PPC market. This is a GREAT form factor. I like the idea of a protected screen and a built-in keyboard (even Zaurus style) is a great idea.

Now I'm wondering about the e750 rumour from the same source! I'm gonna watch it again more carefully.....

[mookie123]

the E750 is just like the japanese genio model recently released, nothing controversial.

[Jonathan1]

In the words of the pointy eared one. Fascinating.

However in the words of PT Barnum. There's a sucker born every minute.

It looks real. But...can you say iWalk? Can you say iPad. However the vast majority of those were still shots with one exception and even then that was like a 2 second deal.

Call me the undying skeptic. I will believe it when HP sends a tactical nuke to take out their site. Something like this would be so hush, hush that it would call for strategic nuclear bombing on the part of HP.

[T-Will]

There's a person I work with who told me he was testing some type of iPAQ prototype. He said it runs CE .net, has a built-in keyboard, half VGA, built-in wireless, either 256 or 512 MB built-in (I can't remember which it was), and ran a 600 MHz Xscale. I never got a chance to actually see it so I can't verify that this is the same model he had, but it is possible. He said it was more targetted at vertical markets rather than consumers though. Next time I see him I'll see if he still has it and see if I can get more info on it.

[jornadaholic]

Call me the undying skeptic.

your an undying skeptic..lol

and it does have built in wireless or egleast bluetooth that little blue light seems to be a wifi/bt indicator

[Gremmie]

In the words of the pointy eared one. Fascinating.

However in the words of PT Barnum. There's a sucker born every minute.

It looks real. But...can you say iWalk? Can you say iPad. However the vast majority of those were still shots with one exception and even then that was like a 2 second deal.

Call me the undying skeptic. I will believe it when HP sends a tactical nuke to take out their site. Something like this would be so hush, hush that it would call for strategic nuclear bombing on the part of HP.

Every single PDA picture has been called a fake, the iWalk has been the only doctored PDA fake I have ever seen, and PocketPCItalia was the one's who had the 54xx info first.

[mookie123]

Anybody notice there is no MVP making any comment on this leak?

hmmm..... I wonder what that could mean. :lol:

[Ed Hansberry]

Anybody notice there is no MVP making any comment on this leak?

hmmm..... I wonder what that could mean. :lol:
Means I just now saw this thread. :lol: Very cool looking. If it is a fake, it is quite elaborate, down to the background music.

[Janak Parekh]

Means I just now saw this thread. :lol: Very cool looking. If it is a fake, it is quite elaborate, down to the background music.
Which, by the way, is very interesting music. Definitely seems the ad is not targeted towards the American market, I can't imagine an ad here with that kind of background music.

Why'd you have to show me this? I'm all set on getting a 5450 (hopefully a flawless one)... and now more indecision :cry:

Oh well, I'll have to queue multiple purchases long-term... :twisted:

--janak

[Gremmie]

Which, by the way, is very interesting music. Definitely seems the ad is not targeted towards the American market, I can't imagine an ad here with that kind of background music.

Hehe, you know, I was thinking the same thing, very much a Euro ad :)

[Venturello]

Wow. 8O WOW!!! JASON!! GET THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!

Looks AMAZING!! I want one - dont care for the specs, this is a GREAT idea - innovation! (just what we need to kill those Palm users with their cool Sony's).

Now... I hope it goes out to market. Very nice concept, switches to landscape mode... nice nice. I hope a GSM model comes out if this thing ever hits the market. Shame the low resolution and small looking screen.

Gotta love the hidden screen (clamshell design), makes it so much pocketable without a case.


I also liked the music, heh.

[Janak Parekh]

Wow. 8O WOW!!! JASON!! GET THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!
It's a coming, it's a coming... :)

--janak

[GoldKey]

It very much reminds me of a scaled down version of a tablet PC.

[Delta737]

Why'd you have to show me this? I'm all set on getting a 5450 (hopefully a flawless one)... and now more indecision

Exactly... I was almost sure about a SonyEricsson P800 (yes, yes, I was about to leave the PPC platform :oops: ) and then this one comes up. Really like the concept (integrated cover & keyboard, switching screen etc.), although I'm afraid it's gonna be very expensive (more expensive than the SE P800 :? )

[jeremyweisser]

This is no fake, no one would waste that much time. I am just upset because I just forked over my c.c. for my new 5450. It has not even gotten here yet and I want this unit. Whoa is the consumer!!

[marlof]

Exactly... I was almost sure about a SonyEricsson P800 (yes, yes, I was about to leave the PPC platform :oops: )

Well Delta737, you might just get both if this one has Bluetooth (like the light indicates) and no GSM. That would be my dream setup for as long as there's no Smartphone 2002 with integrated Bluetooth.

[Joe Bogner]

I don't mean to be a sore sport, but shouldn't the video file be hosted on pocketpcthoughts? It seems to me that linking to a 3.7mb file on another person's server is a tad irresponsible.

[nwingate]

I really don't like this model at all.

Forgive me for going against the grain but its bulky.
I don't use a fold up keyboard now because what I want to do is hold a device in my hand and use a stylus to enter data.

I think devices need head in the direction of the HP 1910. Have you seen this thing... its so small. Something I can actually put in my pocket.
It just needs SDIO and intergrated Bluetooth and I'd buy i

[Perry Reed]

I like it! My guess is that it's probably not a fake, but rather a prototype demonstration or product idea.

I do hope that HP decides to build it.

It's amazing how thing the screen part of the device is. I wonder if some of the electronics are hidden in the keyboard sections. Also, if it's going to do the landscape/portrait switch, I sure hope they work with Microsoft to get PPC to handle that more gracefully. I hate having to soft-reset my Jornada to get it to rotate.

[Sparkomatic]

Just saw the video for the not-so top secret anymore device. That's pretty darn cool! I like the 1910 in terms of form factor but if only it had SDIO and integrated wireless... oh, and 400mhz Xscale w/ 64 Megs :D

[marlof]

For those on slow connections that don't want to do a 3.5 MB download, you can download a 160 KB .gif file here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/bregonje/newhp_total.gif) that shows both the portrait tablet and landscape keyboard style of using this device.

[TMAN]

Looks like they are going old school with the design. Remember the HP OmniGo?

http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/hpomnigo122070.html

http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/24/pt24005e.htm

[sponge]

One big test to see if it's fake? How HP responds to it. This will have a lot more credit if HP asks sites to take it down.

These responses on no one would ever spend so much time and there has been only one fake so far really can't say anything about the credibility of this.

[Gallivant]

I'm not impressed. The keyboard looks to my eyes *exactly* like one of the new Stowaway EXs. Mind you, I'd be very happy with the Stowaway EX becoming available for PPCs, but I'd rather carry a seperate keyboard and PPC and have the option of leaving the keyboard at home to cut down on bulk and weight.

[tigerbyte0]

iPaq - PocketPc form factor
Jornada - In-between Tablet and PocketPc
Compaq TabletPC - TabletPC form factor

That way you could keep the Jornada team alive and away from the iPaq team...

[r-vanhove]

Folks, this looks like it is a blending of HP Jornada 568 with the new fantastic Stowaway XT keyboard (check this out on www.thinkoutside.com, you'll notice the keyboard layout is exactly the same and folds out the same way too!).

It looks pretty cool.

[mookie123]

Looking at how thin the screen unit is. I really hope they will release one version without keyboard. At least to replace the h3xxx class. It's about time they upgrade that oldies design.

[Jason Dunn]

I don't mean to be a sore sport, but shouldn't the video file be hosted on pocketpcthoughts? It seems to me that linking to a 3.7mb file on another person's server is a tad irresponsible.

I've added it to our serer and updated the link - how/where people in the forums link to things is beyond our control, and if will likely always take us a while to catch stuff like this. 8)

[Paragon]

I tend to think this is NO fake. How close it is to being a marketed device is another issue. One that should be addressed quickly.....it's too cool to stick it on a shelf somewhere.

If my memory serves me correctly Richard Stone of HP mentioned in his keynote at the Pocket PC Summit a while back the possibility of HP coming out with a clamshell type device. As well Jason Dunn posted a few weeks ago that he had checked whether a clamshell device would fit the PPC licence agreement and was told it would.

HP can't have missed the success Sony has had with there NXR@#$% (whatever I can't keep their model numbers straight.) Myself, I see this form factor being the next step in the evolution of PPCs. It must be getting difficult for manufacturers to innovate in a way that is successful lately. PPCs are almost as connected as they can be. Screen quality is excellent, and so on. Form factor hasn't been played with much. Maybe the time has come to change it a bit.

If this device doesn't make it to market I'm sure there will be something much like it coming down the pipe eventually.

Dave

[jutae]

I'm afraid to see how much this thing will cost. Just buy a laptop!!

Jutae

[RobertCF]

Assuming that the mockup (and that's exactly what it is) is fairly close to what the end product will be like, I noticed by stepping through the video that there is nothing but air between the left and right sides of the keyboard and the table. This means you'd better have a pretty light touch or I can promise you'll end up with a busted keyboard from using the outer thirds of the keyboard. There's just too many parts that can fall apart on this design for my tastes, from the fold-out display to the fold-out keyboard. Obviously, from all your posts, there is a market for this. But I'll stick with a fold-up separate keyboard (which doesn't have to go with me everywhere) that can be easily replaced if it breaks.

Nice try, though, HP.

[Programmer]

Whoa is the consumer!!

You mean "Woe is the consumer."

Robert

[Delta737]

Exactly... I was almost sure about a SonyEricsson P800 (yes, yes, I was about to leave the PPC platform :oops: )

Well Delta737, you might just get both if this one has Bluetooth (like the light indicates) and no GSM. That would be my dream setup for as long as there's no Smartphone 2002 with integrated Bluetooth.

Well, I would like that of course, but I do not have SUCH a big budget :oops: :cry: (they will cost much both I'm afraid, especially that Ipaq)

So I will have to choose.......

[Stone]

Nice find, that is an incredibly idea... Would I buy one? You bet I would!

[WxOKC]

There's a person I work with who told me he was testing some type of iPAQ prototype. He said it runs CE .net, has a built-in keyboard, half VGA, built-in wireless, either 256 or 512 MB built-in (I can't remember which it was), and ran a 600 MHz Xscale. I never got a chance to actually see it so I can't verify that this is the same model he had, but it is possible. He said it was more targetted at vertical markets rather than consumers though. Next time I see him I'll see if he still has it and see if I can get more info on it.

I wonder if this is something similar to what you are refering to (even though the video showed a HP device)?

http://www.allnetdevices.com/wireless/news/2002/12/20/microsoft_buys.html
Microsoft Buys Wireless Handheld Design

The MicroPDA design supports:
- Microsoft's Windows CE .NET and Smartphone 2002 platforms
- Intel's PXA250/SA-1110
- Hitachi's SH3/SH4.
- Microsoft Pocket PC Phone Edition (spring 2003)
- Linux (spring 2003)
- integrated GPRS/GSM modem
- Ethernet, serial, Bluetooth and USB support
- a four-inch color LCD touchscreen
- VGA resolution camera that is built into the back of the device
- voice recorder; microphone; speaker and stereo output
- WiFi capabilities can be added via CompactFlash or SDIO.

The MicroPDA would be useful for creating and debugging handheld applications since it supports multiple platforms. (According to a Microsoft spokesperson, Microsoft Research in the United Kingdom has purchased the MicroPDA to use in some research projects.)

To call the device a micro PDA is a stretch, though, The design measures one-inch thick-by-3.26 inches wide-by-5.9 inches tall and is actually slightly bigger than the current Pocket PC phones from Siemens.

[T-Will]

I doubt it because I'm positive that this person got it from Compaq, and he is under NDA that's why I haven't seen it and don't know much information about it.

[WxOKC]

I have been looking for a link for an internal board for HP people that I stumbled upon a few months back and have used to find out "things". If I can find the link I will ask them about his device.

[azhiker]

If I were a company like HP wanting to sell its PDAs and also upstage the competition, maybe I would "leak" an idea to the masses, and wait to read their reaction in such posts as this. Then I would save money on marketing and R&D. HP could simply have planned this and allowed each of us to say what we like and dislike. If this is true, then they have succeeded. There will always be a "new and improved" model out; but with so many new models glutting the market and driving the price down, perhaps this is a way HP can regain the market share and "tempt" the masses so it will fork over $700 or more on just another PPC. :roll:

[jeasher]

Nice PDA. The music in that video sounds like new-age porn tunes. Chicka-ba-beh. This the NBT: Next Brick Thing. For that guy to put the PDA in his pocket he must be nine feet tall. What is the point of this device? It looks good, yes, but it won't offer anything unique aside from it's 'all-in-one' design. Just get a stowaway if you want a full sized keyboard. It's not like you can just stand around and comfortably use the keyboard. That's the primary difference between that and the Sony NX series.

[WxOKC]

Here is BabelFish's translation of the Italian to Enlish web site...

"Our referring oltreoceano still hits.
Prototype that will not never see light or next truth for the market of targati Pocket PC HP?
A crossing between iPAQ and Jornada 700 with keyboard and functions wireless integrated in one extraordinary and innovative design.
Here you can unload exclusive a filmato one that you extension new device (3.8MB).
Good vision. "

It seems that "oltreoceano" (overseas information) is connected with the prerelease information to their website.

I found 2 other instances on their web site with "oltreoceano" listed


Note the newer HP model #'s listed in the post from November 3rd.

03 November 2002

HP iPAQ Roadmap

HP is gotten ready to, like already evidenced in more occasions and from more sources, to immettere on the market new series of iPAQ Pocket PC.
From the indiscretions that we have oltreoceano harvest this would have to be the previewed one, indicative roadmap.
In primis, within the end of the year, model HP iPAQ H5450 with functions Wi-Fi and Bluetooth would have to be introduced integrated to a price of approximately €1000 .
Subsequently in the first quarter of the 2003 they would have to make their appearance model HP iPAQ H5610 with functions GSM/GPRS integrated to a price of approximately €1050 and model HP iPAQ H5650 with functions GSM/GPRS and Bluetooth integrated to a price of approximately €1100 .
Finally the HP iPAQ H2250, approximate cost of €350 is previewed for the same period the arrival on the market of the first two models entry-level with Bluetooth functions integrated and model HP iPAQ H2220 to a price of €330 .
These two arranged to you would have to be equip to you with processori XScale to 200/300 Mhz.
Sure aggressive one would seem also the presence of model HP iPAQ H1900 to a price much.
We will be to see.


And Finally...

21 November 2002

New Toshiba e750!

One our authoritative oltreoceano source anticipates in exclusive right those to us that they will be the characteristics of new Pocket PC of siglato Toshiba e750...

[Gremmie]

I wouldn't doubt that Stowaway let them use the keyboard design (for a fee of course). Why reinvent the wheel when you can license it? :)

[whitey]

oltreoceano means overseas.
The man clicks with his stylo first in the upper left corner, the start menu, but nothing happens then he clicks the corner down right, but there is nothing, only the windows logo from the theme. Seems non working prototype.

[marlof]

This the NBT: Next Brick Thing. For that guy to put the PDA in his pocket he must be nine feet tall. What is the point of this device? It looks good, yes, but it won't offer anything unique aside from it's 'all-in-one' design. Just get a stowaway if you want a full sized keyboard. It's not like you can just stand around and comfortably use the keyboard. That's the primary difference between that and the Sony NX series.

I think - yet again - it's all about your own usage pattern. I wouldn't want to use the Sony keyboard when standing around either. For me, when standing around the on screen input stuff generally is good enough, as I won't be doing anything special. When I'm sitting at a desk though, I'd want a better keyboard than the Sony keyboard. To me, a good thing on this design is that the screen is protected (a la Sony Clie) by the hinge design, and that you have both a portrait tablet and landscape keyboard option. If the screen on this thing is as big as the screen on my current Jornadas, and looking at the size of the device other than just the screen, it must admit this will be quite big. But if it's the child of my 565 and 720, I'd be happy with a bigger size and weight, as I really like both devices a lot. With the exception of my 565 being a dust magnet that is....

[jsmanrique]

It is public that it is an HP Prototype. Take a look in Jose Tormo (President Embedded and Personal Systems of HP) presentation during last NSP partner symposium:

http://www.hp.com/large/events/2002/nsp/archive.html

More precise link:
http://www.hp.com/large/events/2002/nsp/sales/images/Jose_Tormo.ppt

It has been on that web for months :D

[marlof]

It is public that it is an HP Prototype. Take a look in Jose Tormo (President Embedded and Personal Systems of HP) presentation during last NSP partner symposium:

http://www.hp.com/large/events/2002/nsp/archive.html

More precise link:
http://www.hp.com/large/events/2002/nsp/sales/images/Jose_Tormo.ppt

It has been on that web for months :D

Good info! Funny that none of the Pocket PC websites seem to have picked it up, as they're currently all running with the Pocket PC Italia info.

[Anthony Caruana]

A great piece of innovation.

Not sure that it is the form factor for me but this sort of device would overcome one of the things that many (non-IT literate) people say to me; PPCs are just too "different" to a PC and they don't want to have to learn how to do input with a Stylus and deal with hand writing recognition that is not 100% perfect every time

I could see the admin assistants in my office dying to get something like this for taking minutes at meetings, recording voice notes and managing their boss' schedule without having to lug around a laptop.

[lorddsp]

This is exactly what i was looking for! :lol:
If this machine has built in CF ..... pFFF! great!

By the way, the music is very cool! It is an old song from Daft Punk, "Harder Better Faster Stronger" , the same guy with the hit "One more time".

[WxOKC]

There has been a keyboard (not mini or thumb) built into the Zaurus, that until now was only available in Japan. Sharp's Linux-based Zaurus SL-C700 handheld has been converted into English by nvmax, Dynamism, and the Embedded Linux Developers Group.

Hopefully this will spur Sharp into giving the SL-C700 a proper release in the USA. From the looks of it, HP better get going on their version...

For now, you can get the Zaurus for $699 from Dynamism.com (http://www.dynamism.com)

http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/slc700-open.jpg
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/palm.jpg
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/open-dyna.jpg
http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/slc700-flip.jpg

[Will T Smith]

The big problem with handheld keyboards is finding a format that will please as many people as possible. As most integrated methods are optimized for single/double digit use, they always fail to make users ultra efficient when they finally sit down.


I believe that they solution to this issue looks alot like the Sony origami style units. An integrated keyboard. However, my input area would be extensible and even user configurable.

The basis for such a system, would be a regular touch pad found on any garden variety laptop. On top of that touch pad you would lay a thin template that would provide on "optimal" keyboard configuration as well as well as a low profile tactile view (in some cases with feedback). The templates could be changed at the users discretion. So that when one sits down they could switch to a traditional landscape "qwerty" mode (or dvorak if it suited you).

The change would be accomplished by changing the template (or stamp) easily stored in a holster or device case. The templates themselves would encode their ID and the device would automatically adjust to a new template.

Such a methodology is not unheard of as Fitaly built a company on top of it. In fact, I would absoluetly adore a Clie NRV-xxxxx style device with a Fitaly key layout.


A second avenue would be similar to the C-Pad concept found on the newer Toshiba satellites. The touchpad has an integrated monochrome LCD display that morphs according to the situation. Such a scenario would be preferrable to scenarios where finger entry is required. One should be very resistent to putting fingerprints on those pretty color screens (actually this brings up ideas for convergence devices).

In any case, such flexible input methodologies would provide a rich foundation for innovation. We have already seen a "qwerty soft keyboard" solution that reduces you visible document area to that of a label maker. This methodology encourages one to use their touch screen as a ten fingered keyboard.

That would seem to indicate that a similar solution using cheap and durable touchpad technology would be very acceptable. Furthermore, such a solution could thin hidden panels that would "pop-out" in a way that would put the mechanical fold-away keyboards to shame.

In any case, thats something to think about. I'm sure we'll eventually see keyboards implemented as generic touchpads now that a few scaled down examples are available in hardware and software.

[LordDavon]

I really do not think that can compare to the Sharp SL-C700. The sharp is solid feeling device where that looks flimbsy; like slapping a keyboard on a PDA. The Sharp is a sturdy device built with the keyboard in mind. It folds together to make a hard shalled casing for the PDA to protect it during travel and the screen is incredible. The Sharp is a very strong device. I don't see where that could be.

LD

[Jonathon Watkins]

HP can't have missed the success Sony has had with there NXR@#$% (whatever I can't keep their model numbers straight.) Myself, I see this form factor being the next step in the evolution of PPCs. It must be getting difficult for manufacturers to innovate in a way that is successful lately. PPCs are almost as connected as they can be. Screen quality is excellent, and so on. Form factor hasn't been played with much. Maybe the time has come to change it a bit.

If this device doesn't make it to market I'm sure there will be something much like it coming down the pipe eventually

I hope so - I really hope so. You have the choice here to use the device exactly how you want - landscape or portrait depending on the need. IF it is a solid unit (i.e. won't easily break) then I hope to get on of these beauties, I just need to get an Axim to tide me over till then. :P

I do find it difficult to see how solid the keyboard could be though….. but – I’m sure HP’s best minds are working on the problem…..
:silly:

[hshortt]

Jeeps! No-one mentioned ..... PSION.

Anyone here remember the excellent Psion Series 5 and 5MX. That was pure innovation in a very useable form factor.

You can see that here - http://www.psion.co.uk/computers/computing.htm
If these guys could only re-enter the market with a PPC they'd have some huge potential.

Cheeiro

[Jonathon Watkins]

Jeeps! No-one mentioned ..... PSION.

Indeed - as we were talking about new devices running PPC.

I have a Psion Revo and my bother and father have Psion 5MXs. Psion is concentrating on smarphones at the moment and will probably not produce pure PDAs any more. They officially dropped out of the PDA market a year or two ago - but they have some new stuff brewing.......

I doubt they will ever make a PPC device as they have such a big interest in EPOC and Symbian - a direct competitor to PPC Phone edition.

[hshortt]

Yeah, I know they dropped out. It was a shame. However, the relevance of my post was to do with the clamshell design and it's similarities with the *proposed* design seen in this thread by HP.

Oh well.... I'll sleep some more.

Cheerio

[gwizard]

I just deserted a Psion 5mx so I could get an Axim...I love the Psion form factor but it's HUGE if you want to carry it in your pocket (I did manage to fit it in tho :lol: ) and the hardware is pretty old. If they made a 5mx-like device that was color and a lot thinner (and cheap :)) I'd get one in a minute.

[Jonathon Watkins]

If they made a 5mx-like device that was color and a lot thinner (and cheap :)) I'd get one in a minute.

Wouldn't we all? :P

[americaneagle]

Cool, cool, cool. Would I buy it? Absolutely. I switch PPC's monthly anyway. I'd love to see something like this!

Grin, We relate...... :D

[yslee]

Wow, old thread.

But now that 2003 SE is here, I'd love to see HP bring this to reality!

[Jonathon Watkins]

Indeed - still waiting for it. :?

[Stephen Beesley]

No doubt about it, this would be my dream PDA! I wouldn't care if it was not a Pocket PC Phone Edition, but I would definately like Wifi and BT - but hell who am I trying to kid, the chances of this becoming a reality are pretty slim...