Surely You Have Better Things To Do

[Ed Hansberry]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.twotowersprotest.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.twotowersprotest.org/</a><br /><br /></div>How insensitive. In 1954 J.R.R. Tolkien published "The Two Towers" without any regard for the feelings of those that experienced that terrible event on September 11, 2001. :roll: <br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2002/20021220-twotowers.jpg" /><br /><br />I kept hoping this site was some sort of sick parody, but I think it is real. This only detracts from the memory of that event. Get a life folks.

[Rirath]

Amen.

[Wuss912]

I kept hoping this site was some sort of sick parody, but I think it is real. This only detracts from the memory of that event. Get a life folks.

this is a joke guys read the faq

The creators of the movie have free speech, so what makes you think they should have to change the name of the movie?

We believe that Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema's actions are in fact hate speech. The movie is intentionally being named The Two Towers in order to capitalize on the tragedy of September 11. Clearly, you cannot deny the fact that this falls under hate speech. We believe that if they will not willingly change the name, the government should step in to stop the movie's production or to force a name change.

[tadams]

Unbelieveable. I work in NYC and would never have made that connection if I hadn't seen this post. The depth of idiocy out there is staggering.

[shawnc]

[quote="Ed Hansberry"]How insensitive. In 1954 J.R.R. Tolkien published "The Two Towers" without any regard for the feelings of those that experienced that terrible event on September 11, 2001. :roll: /quote]

Im sorry but what am I missing here? Is there a web site with a sick sense of humor? All I see is a flag. Are you saying that someone wrote a book in 1954 and is insensitive because of something that happened in 2001?

I'm sure I'm missing something. Just would like to know what.

Thanx

[Jimmy Dodd]

This hoax has been going around for months. There was/is a petition set up to get people to sign up online demanding the name of the movie be changed just to see how many people would sign it. A lot did.

[Jason Dunn]

Ed forgot the link - I've added it into his post.

Glad to see it's a hoax, although I question the sanity of these people who go out of their way to trick others... :?

[shawnc]

Ed forgot the link - I've added it into his post.

Thanx Jason.

[R K]

That's just great.
So which is worse: someone who would actually make a petition against the movie, or someone who would make a hoax of someone making a petition against the movie?

[bdegroodt]

This hoax has been going around for months. There was/is a petition set up to get people to sign up online demanding the name of the movie be changed just to see how many people would sign it. A lot did.

Would those people that signed the "petition" be the same ones that wonder why their email box is constantly flooded with SPAM? Seems like an email collection scam to me.

[Ed Hansberry]

If this is a hoax, www.snopes.com doesn't have it, and they have a bunch. I wondered if it was, but sometimes, people can be so stupid it should be a hoax.

Thanks Jason for adding the link.

[rfischer]

Well, here’s what I would have said had this not been a hoax:

First of all, the World Trade Center Buildings in New York that were part of the tragedy on 9/11 were more affectionately known as the “Twin Towers” NOT "The Two Towers".

Second, J.R.R. Tolkien published the book, “The Two Towers” in 1954!!!! Why would changing the name of a movie based on a very famous series of books from almost 50 years ago be considered “insensitive”. You people are are being insensitive to the affect that the loss of these two buildings has made on everyone’s lives, especially those who lost family members. Creating such an upheaval over something so trivial is what is tragic. It’s a sad, sad world..

Now knowing it’s a hoax I say: “You people who did this are ignorant bastards!” (Sorry for the language, Ed)
:x

[Kirk Stephens]

I really hope that site is a joke, because if it isn't the creator of this "organization" is a freakin idiot. Why dont we all send him an email [email protected] and tell him so.

P.S I am not someone who is insensitive to the terrorist attacks, i was in fact deeply affected, but the point is this guy could care less about 9/11...he is just looking for a reason to get upset.

[DrtyBlvd]

This hoax has been going around for months. There was/is a petition set up to get people to sign up online demanding the name of the movie be changed just to see how many people would sign it. A lot did.

Sounds a reasonable idea - can you substantiate this though? :?:

[DrtyBlvd]

How insensitive. In 1954 J.R.R. Tolkien published "The Two Towers" without any regard for the feelings of those that experienced that terrible event on September 11, 2001. :roll:

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2002/20021220-twotowers.jpg

I kept hoping this site was some sort of sick parody, but I think it is real. This only detracts from the memory of that event. Get a life folks.

If this is a hoax, www.snopes.com doesn't have it, and they have a bunch. I wondered if it was, but sometimes, people can be so stupid it should be a hoax.

Thanks Jason for adding the link.

Ed - I have to ask what earthly reason you have for posting this anyway? I don't understand your motives for posting and would appreciate it if you would explain a bit for me please? Have you a desire to create a moral backlash? Are you outraged at people "not having a life"? Do you have a general need to hear others' perspectives on it for some reason? Just a general 'insensitive' comment?
:?:

[DrtyBlvd]

I really hope that site is a joke, because if it isn't the creator of this "organization" is a freakin idiot. Why dont we all send him an email [email protected] and tell him so....


...perhaps it's a SPAM 'harvest' address

[scottmag]

Ed - I have to ask what earthly reason you have for posting this anyway? I don't understand your motives for posting and would appreciate it if you would explain a bit for me please?

If I could be so bold ....

I think Ed's intentions are to point out that the people behind this phony "protest" are jerks. It's not a hoax, it's a gag. (Ha Ha. Let's see how many people sign the phony petition.)

No one is really saying that the name of the movie, or book, is insensitive. They are just exploiting the tragedy for a few laughs. I think it bothered Ed, so he posted it as a way to say he found the joke itself to be what is really insensitive.

Let's move on.

Scott

[Pony99CA]

Ed - I have to ask what earthly reason you have for posting this anyway? I don't understand your motives for posting and would appreciate it if you would explain a bit for me please? Have you a desire to create a moral backlash? Are you outraged at people "not having a life"? Do you have a general need to hear others' perspectives on it for some reason? Just a general 'insensitive' comment?
:?:
I think Ed was just surprised that anybody would be so stupid as to start a fuss over this, given that the book was published before the World Trade Center was even built.

I think Ed was wondering what would be next -- maybe changing the phone number for emergency services from 911? (Hey, that gives me an idea for a petition.... :lol:)

Steve

[Pony99CA]

If I could be so bold ....

I think Ed's intentions are to point out that the people behind this phony "protest" are jerks. It's not a hoax, it's a gag. (Ha Ha. Let's see how many people sign the phony petition.)

No, I think Ed was worried that this site was real. That's why


I kept hoping this site was some sort of sick parody, but I think it is real.

Steve

[DrtyBlvd]

Let's move on.

Scott

...that's why I ask. Posting on it is to propagate the matter :wink:

[MooseMaster]

renaming of "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" to something which would be more appropriate considering the events which transpired on Sept 11th 2001. The name of this movie will undoubtedly cause a return of the emotions felt on Sept 11th which left so many people in the nation feeling stunned and in a state of shock.

First of all, what's so wrong about feeling emotions again that we felt on Sept 11th? We're not robots, we do have emotions, and try to not express them turns us into monsters. I'd be HAPPY to hold the same emotions I had on Sept 11th again. It means I cared. If I hadn't had those emotions or don't want to have them again then that means I'm insensitive, trying to hide those feelings, trying to forget what happened, that's insensitive.

Second, I never made the connection either. It's the name of the book, and it's not simply arbitrary. It directly refers to the events in the book and movie. There is no other name for it and anyone that wants to change the name of the movie is insensitive to the 50 year old legacy of one of the most influential authors in recent American history, no, worldwide literary history.

Being more sensitive to something that happened 2 years ago doesn't mean changing something that has been in place for 50 years. It means you care about the people that were hurt, not hiding the fact that people were hurt at all by renaming and removing everything that has to do with two objects similar in height, ranging from popsicle stick advertisements to the placement of pile-ons on the interstate onramp to this kind of debauchery.

And are we just supposed to overlook the pay-per-click advertisement they have on every page of their website? They're trying to capitalise on these people's pains and the lost lives during September 11th. Now that's the epitamy of insensitive actions if you ask me, and I'm sure no one will disagree with me on this.

Trying to remove all references to Sept 11th is what is insensitive. We don't want to forget, that's what makes us sensitive and caring.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Ed - I have to ask what earthly reason you have for posting this anyway? I don't understand your motives for posting and would appreciate it if you would explain a bit for me please? Have you a desire to create a moral backlash? Are you outraged at people "not having a life"? Do you have a general need to hear others' perspectives on it for some reason? Just a general 'insensitive' comment?
:?:
I think the reactions of most of us upon reading Ed's post (for those of us that didn't about the protest site) was the same reaction that Ed had upon seeing the site for the first time - disbelief that someone would draw angles between a tragic incident last year and a classic novel written decades ago.

This is a "thoughts" site and Ed, simply, posted a thought. I don't think there's any need to try to read between the lines here.

[DrtyBlvd]

This is a "thoughts" site and Ed, simply, posted a thought. I don't think there's any need to try to read between the lines here.

I agree in principle with your comment; my question remains what Ed's thought for posting it was.

I'm not reading anything between the lines, just seeking better understanding ! :D

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Here's a line from the website:
The movie is intentionally being named The Two Towers in order to capitalize on the tragedy of September 11.
IF THIS IS REAL, this line right tells me that the person (or people) starting this website didn't know that the original book was called "The Two Towers".

My parents for one thought that this trilogy of films was based on ONE book (as opposed to three) simply called "The Lord of the Rings", so it's conceivable that the website starter assumed the naming of each film was strictly determined by the producers and the film studio. That, to me, would explain their line of logic.

Of course, once someone educated him/her/them that the film was named from the book itself, they probably should have dropped this crusade and stop referring to film-naming as "hate speech".

NOW IF THIS IS REAL and they understood these facts already BEFORE starting this website, then I say "Get a Life"!

[dlauri]

The domain twotowersprotest.org is registered to a Canadian postal address:

towers, two [email protected]
32 pender street
vancouver, bc y6e3j2
CA
1 800 657 3499

Sounds like a hoax to me. Some Canadians laughing at how stupid Americans can be.

[seanturner]

I think this is just a serious example of left wing extreemism and liberal stupidity. And I wrote the authors and email saying that. I thank Ed for posting this to give people with actual brains a chance to rebuke the authors.

[Sheynk]

This is what I emailed them:

All men are created equal and have 3 inaliable rights......does that sound familiar?

How could you in any possible was connect JJR Tolkies masterpiece that decades old with a terrorist attack on the USA. The movies are very accuratly based on the book, therefore they have the same title. Peter Jackson is probably more patriotic than the people at you organization by expressing himself in a movie of suhc grand proportion.

If anything, your critique of a book title, violates the very freedom that sets this country apart from the rest of the world. If I want to say things I will. That is the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not a way for some wannabe organization desiring to created commotion out of a title of a movie.


Are you the guys who also made the burning towers out of the $20 bill?

The ones who said that 9/11 means 911.

The ones who stir up stories just to bring back memories of this terrible act of violence.

American has moved on, you should as well.

By critisizing a movie, you will got your 15 seconds of fame, now leave the stage before you performance turns into a fiasco.

Sincerely Gary Sheynkman


PS- I am a highschool student who feels passionatly about the rights given to me as a very resent citizen of this country. The events of 9/11 disturbed me greatly and I believe that although this has been a hard time for USA economically and socialy, it is time to move on and look into the future.

[Kati Compton]

This hoax has been going around for months. There was/is a petition set up to get people to sign up online demanding the name of the movie be changed just to see how many people would sign it. A lot did.

Sounds a reasonable idea - can you substantiate this though? :?:

At the bottom of the FAQ it says:


Do you people seriously think you'll be successful?

We most certainly do. Several of our members were already successful at making 20th Century Fox delay the movie "Phone Booth" due to the Maryland sniper attacks.


Now, this movie was in fact delayed. I hope that this site is a jab at this movie delay, commenting that while horrible events are in fact horrible, we shouldn't let them rule the rest of our lives. And I don't think it's necessarily wrong for it to be a check on other's sanity (ie, how many will sign it). My favorite one of those is the big treatise on the dangers of dihydrogen oxide.

[hollis_f]

Sounds like a hoax to me. Some Canadians laughing at how stupid Americans can be. Yup, Canadians and the rest of the World.

There are two words which, when placed at the start of any statement, will make me believe that statement - no matter how incredible it may seem. Those words are - "In America...".

[Jonathan1]

Ed forgot the link - I've added it into his post.

Glad to see it's a hoax, although I question the sanity of these people who go out of their way to trick others... :?

Jason. Unfortunately there are people out there who enjoy seeing just how stupid a person can be. I have to admit myself to being curious as to how many freaks signed this thing. After thinking about it a few seconds I get this image of Mr. Burns from the Simpson’s dragging a wad of cash along the street tied to a string as someone chases it. (Lisa I think.) People get pleasure in seeing the stupidity of others. Not saying its right. I’m just saying it happens.

As for this site. WHO CARES?!?!? Seriously. The only reason someone would ever care about this site would be if they took it seriously. Aside from the fact I’m willing to bet they are under legal obligations to name the movie the title of the book look at it from the standpoint of the people who are producing, directing, and creating this work of art come to life. If any of you have watched the supplementary disks that came with Fellowship of the Ring you will see how geeky and ravenous these people are. If there was even the hint that the suits were considering renaming the movie (in DVD format at this point since it’s released in theaters now.) I’m quite sure everyone would go on strike for the 3rd movie in a heartbeat. Also there are the LOTR fans to keep in mind as well. There are no firm numbers but I’m willing to bet they are as numerous as Star Trek and Star War fans and just as ravenous about staying true to the book. Do you have ANY idea what would happen if this occurred? I’d almost be willing to bet that someone would light themselves on fire in front of New Line’s corp. office. Never underestimate the ferocity and determination of a small handful of demented fan.

And to anyone who actually supports this site you can [bunch of interesting word patterns here]
Sorry. Maybe it’s me but I think this country is getting PC’d into the freaking ground. I’m all for being sensitive to other feelings and emotions but to blatantly go out of our way to cater to someone who MIGHT be offended by this or that. Example: I played X-mas music at out office party over the intercom system. I had a good mix with even *shocked* Music that referenced Jesus and god and such. Oh my! I’m trying to convert the world! ;) And guess what. No one complained. We need to all take a step back, take a deep breath and relax the heck up. I love playing Dennis Leary’s ***hole song. It’s about as politically incorrect as humanly possible and that’s what I love about it.


So any word on those Axim’s X3’s?

[st63z]

What, some fool Canadian dares to be making fun of us?? Ohh, that just burns my blood... ;)

Can't believe this is still around tho, IIRC it came out right after Fellowship last year, and many online forums have had big laughing discussions about it since then... :)

Incidentally, why no one has talked about the movie, the pure awesomeness that is LOTR: TTT?

No Frodo, don't listen to that ring...

[RX-78]

If they change the name of the movie, then the terrorists have won.

Wait a min -- or is that, if they *don't* change the name of the movie, then the terrorists have won?

Whatever. :roll:

[Jonathan1]

If they change the name of the movie, then the terrorists have won.

Wait a min -- or is that, if they *don't* change the name of the movie, then the terrorists have won?

Whatever. :roll:

Lets just call it a tie game and end this now.

[Rob Alexander]

Just a little reminder that there is a lot of world out there beyond the Sea on one side and the Shining Sea on the other... :wink:

There is no other name for it and anyone that wants to change the name of the movie is insensitive to the 50 year old legacy of one of the most influential authors in recent American history, no, worldwide literary history.

Yes, our British friends will be happy for your 'worldwide' qualification. They'd probably be even happier if you had noted him as one of the most influential authors in recent British history.

Peter Jackson is probably more patriotic than the people at you organization by expressing himself in a movie of suhc grand proportion.

Peter Jackson may well be patriotic, but since he is a New Zealander, his patriotism is not likely directed toward America.

[dbrahms]

imagine a Holocaust survivior or WW2 Vet watching their grandson play the game Medal of Honor...or Battlefield 1942. How about Parents in their 60's watching kids play a Vietnam video game.....How would we feel if many years from now, our little-ones were playing a 9/11 video game?

[Pony99CA]

imagine a Holocaust survivior or WW2 Vet watching their grandson play the game Medal of Honor...or Battlefield 1942. How about Parents in their 60's watching kids play a Vietnam video game.....How would we feel if many years from now, our little-ones were playing a 9/11 video game?
I'm not sure if I get your point, or at least how it relates to this topic. "The Two Towers" predates 9/11, while a video game about 9/11 would obviously take place after it.

By the way, if I recall correctly, I saw somebody demonstrating Microsoft Flight Simulator after 9/11, and they did show how it would look flying a 747 into the World Trade Center. I wasn't offended.

Personally, I think a video game where you blast terrorists on a plane would be pretty cool. If the object of the game was to take down the towers, then I might get offended. But you know what -- those people would still have the right to produce that game. Welcome to America -- Free Speech doesn't mean anything until somebody says something to offend you.

Steve