Juss Press - Instant Wireless Imaging

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.jusspress.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.jusspress.com/</a><br /><br /></div>A couple of folks over at UCSD are developing an "Instant Wireless Imaging" prototype--think of it as an automatic-uploading camera. Their current system runs on a Pocket PC, connected to an HP CF camera, and transmits over any online connection. They're looking for testers - if you're interested, check it out. Note that their software <i>does not</i> currently work with XScale units; they say it freezes (insert usual XScale debate here).<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/141612.jpg" />

[mookie123]

Why is he holding a wireless camera PDA in a bathroom? mmm.....lol

[RyES]

that was the only mirror around. In the bathroom. The device is taking a picture of itself.

Ryan

[mike6024]

Why is he holding a wireless camera PDA in a bathroom? mmm.....lol

Maybe they're suggesting some uses for it :lol:

[rapidnet_rick]

I'd love to be able to do something like this....

I just purchased a LifeView Compact flash camera... Works with MS Portrait... I have a few 802.11b cards, and have the Compaq Dual PCMCIA sleeve...

One problem, the camera takes up too much room, and I can not insert another card, since there is not room for any of my 802.11b cards for the protrussion...conflicts with the camera.

Is this not true of the HP camera, or any other cameras for the PocketPC.

BTW, has anyone seen or purchased this camera...

http://www.veo.com/Traveler_PocketPc/default.asp


Seems interesting... I just purchased a network Camera from them, which supports a web interface, and has pan and tilt. Pretty cool, even supports an optional motion sensor to trigger and email, which will send the picture which triggered the motion sensor...

Software doesn't have a lot of options, like taking timed pictures and uploading them to a webpage, etc...but not bad at all...

[RyES]

Ya, the hp cam leaves room so that you can put in two cards. It is probably one of the best quality cameras. I heard the veo works well with a large number of different PPCs.

[rapidnet_rick]

RyES,

Any idea if the VEO has room to be used in conjunction with a dual PCMCIA and an 802.11b wireless card?


I know I am not quite happy with the Lifeview cam I bought. Cando video, but in a propriety format... Has two seperate programs for capturing video.... Only one does a standard format(AVI) and it's meant to email videos....and it has size restrictions...



Thx;

Rick

[Pony99CA]

One problem, the camera takes up too much room, and I can not insert another card, since there is not room for any of my 802.11b cards for the protrussion...conflicts with the camera.

I suppose buying an iPAQ 5450 is out of the question? :-)


BTW, has anyone seen or purchased this camera...

http://www.veo.com/Traveler_PocketPc/default.asp

That looks pretty cool, but they seem to have a smaller one (http://www.veo.com/Traveler_Palm/default.asp) -- for Palms. As it's SDIO-based, though, I hope they can bring it out for Pocket PCs, too.

Steve

[rapidnet_rick]

Pony99CA,

Well I did purchase a CompUSA TAP with my 3835, so I guess anything is possible???

Would be nice to have bluetooth and 802.11b built-in!


OH NO! IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!?!?!!? Arrrhhhhhhh....

My Ipaq just fell off the table and broke. Oh no, what will I do?


Just kidding.....

[JonnoB]

I suppose buying an iPAQ 5450 is out of the question? :-)


One of the problems I still have with the iPaq line is that there is no IO option without a sleeve. They should have put two SDIO slots or one SDIO and one CF slot.

[Janak Parekh]

I suppose buying an iPAQ 5450 is out of the question? :-)
Yes - XScale is not currently supported. :(

--janak

[RyES]

I suppose buying an iPAQ 5450 is out of the question? :-)
Yes - XScale is not currently supported. :(

--janak

Ya, it is a problem with HP's driver.

"Changes were required to support the Xscale processor which could not be committed to at this time."
The guy to talk to about this is scott.gregory at hp dot com.

[RyES]

RyES,

Any idea if the VEO has room to be used in conjunction with a dual PCMCIA and an 802.11b wireless card?


I know I am not quite happy with the Lifeview cam I bought. Cando video, but in a propriety format... Has two seperate programs for capturing video.... Only one does a standard format(AVI) and it's meant to email videos....and it has size restrictions...



Thx;

Rick

Don't know, every tried that cam.

[Pony99CA]

One of the problems I still have with the iPaq line is that there is no IO option without a sleeve. They should have put two SDIO slots or one SDIO and one CF slot.
The iPAQ has had a sleeveless IO option since the 3900 series, when they added SDIO. Of course, finding SDIO peripherals is another issue. :-)

If you meant that there's no option for memory expansion and IO without sleeves, that's true, but even then there are memory expansions like the ones from Pocket PC Techs (http://www.pocketpctechs.com) and LinearLogiX (http://www.linearlogix.com).

Steve

[Pony99CA]

I suppose buying an iPAQ 5450 is out of the question? :-)
Yes - XScale is not currently supported. :(

The LifeView Compact flash camera isn't supported on XScale units? I know the JussPress application isn't, but I was referring to rapidnet_rick's comment that he couldn't use his LifeView Compact flash camera with a WiFi card. I don't think he was using JussPress; he commented about Microsoft Portrait, though.

Steve

[JonnoB]

One of the problems I still have with the iPaq line is that there is no IO option without a sleeve. They should have put two SDIO slots or one SDIO and one CF slot.
The iPAQ has had a sleeveless IO option since the 3900 series, when they added SDIO. Of course, finding SDIO peripherals is another issue. :-)

If you meant that there's no option for memory expansion and IO without sleeves, that's true, but even then there are memory expansions like the ones from Pocket PC Techs (http://www.pocketpctechs.com) and LinearLogiX (http://www.linearlogix.com).

Steve

Yes, but there are many dual slot (memory and I/O) PocketPC, even one that has BT or WiFi to boot. With an application like the one being discussed (picture taking and wireless networking) it just is not possible on an iPaq. If the 5450 had a second SDIO slot or a CF slot, it would have made (for me) a perfect PPC. This one item left out just kills it for me.

[Janak Parekh]

The LifeView Compact flash camera isn't supported on XScale units? I know the JussPress application isn't, but I was referring to rapidnet_rick's comment that he couldn't use his LifeView Compact flash camera with a WiFi card. I don't think he was using JussPress; he commented about Microsoft Portrait, though.
Ah, OK, contextual errors on my part. ;)

--janak

[Pony99CA]

One of the problems I still have with the iPaq line is that there is no IO option without a sleeve. They should have put two SDIO slots or one SDIO and one CF slot.
The iPAQ has had a sleeveless IO option since the 3900 series, when they added SDIO. Of course, finding SDIO peripherals is another issue. :-)

If you meant that there's no option for memory expansion and IO without sleeves, that's true, but even then there are memory expansions like the ones from Pocket PC Techs (http://www.pocketpctechs.com) and LinearLogiX (http://www.linearlogix.com).

Steve

Yes, but there are many dual slot (memory and I/O) PocketPC, even one that has BT or WiFi to boot. With an application like the one being discussed (picture taking and wireless networking) it just is not possible on an iPaq. If the 5450 had a second SDIO slot or a CF slot, it would have made (for me) a perfect PPC. This one item left out just kills it for me.
If your complaint is that the iPAQ doesn't have two slots, nobody can argue. But if you're complaining that iPAQs don't have IO, that's not correct. Even saying that an iPAQ can't use a camera and WiFi might be wrong --- if there's an SD camera like the Veo (http://www.veo.com/Traveler_Palm/default.asp) available for the Pocket PC.

With a 5450, you could easily put the camera in the SDIO slot and use WiFi. With a 3900 series iPAQ, you could use the camera and connect via Bluetooth to a Bluetooth Access Point. The only problem would be having memory available if you want to store all of your pictures on your Pocket PC, too.

Another thing to remember is that, with the dual PCMCIA sleeve, the iPAQ is the most expandable Pocket PC out there. With the 3800, 3900 and 5400 series, you can actually have three slots. You can also get three slots using dual CF sleeves from Nexian (http://www.nexian.com/product/nexipak.asp) and MemPlug (http://www.pitech.com/hardware/iCFCF/ipCFCF_index.htm), or the MemPlug CF and Memory Stick sleeve (http://www.pitech.com/hardware/iCFMS/ipCFMS_index.htm).

If you hate sleeves, that won't help, but I carry my iPAQ 3870 in the dual PCMCIA sleeve all of the time, and don't find it objectionable.

Steve

[JonnoB]

If your complaint is that the iPAQ doesn't have two slots, nobody can argue. But if you're complaining that iPAQs don't have IO, that's not correct. Even saying that an iPAQ can't use a camera and WiFi might be wrong --- if there's an SD camera like the Veo (http://www.veo.com/Traveler_Palm/default.asp) available for the Pocket PC.

With a 5450, you could easily put the camera in the SDIO slot and use WiFi. With a 3900 series iPAQ, you could use the camera and connect via Bluetooth to a Bluetooth Access Point. The only problem would be having memory available if you want to store all of your pictures on your Pocket PC, too.

Another thing to remember is that, with the dual PCMCIA sleeve, the iPAQ is the most expandable Pocket PC out there. With the 3800, 3900 and 5400 series, you can actually have three slots. You can also get three slots using dual CF sleeves from Nexian (http://www.nexian.com/product/nexipak.asp) and MemPlug (http://www.pitech.com/hardware/iCFCF/ipCFCF_index.htm), or the MemPlug CF and Memory Stick sleeve (http://www.pitech.com/hardware/iCFMS/ipCFMS_index.htm).

If you hate sleeves, that won't help, but I carry my iPAQ 3870 in the dual PCMCIA sleeve all of the time, and don't find it objectionable.

Steve

Sleeve: too much bulk.
Expansion: Need IO and memory
Best scenario: Need(require) WiFi and a slot to add an IO peripheral like a camera. Must also have memory (SD usually)

Dual SDIO slots with integrated WiFi and BT would be ideal. If the iPaq had another SDIO slot, I would have nothing to complain about. No one (yet) has the perfect device... but that does not keep me from buying them.

Everyone talks about dream devices with features that are not yet available... but if you combined features with what is already out there, you can get a near perfect device.

Example:
Integrated WiFi and BT (iPaq 54xx)
Integrated phone (XDA, iPaq 56xx, etc)
Integrated multi-slots (e740, Axim, e550g, etc)
4" display (e550g)
Backlit transflective (Viewsonic, Axim, iPaq)
128mb memory (PCTechs, rumored future Toshiba and iPaq)
Small - see XDA, Viewsonic, etc

It can be done.... do you here PPC manufacturers? Go out and do it now!

[rapidnet_rick]

The issue I have run into right now is of a lack of space... About the same as the days of old with notebooks, PCMCIA modem cards, being used concurently with a network card....

Just not enough room, because the cards can not be inserted together...

In my case the Lifeview camera can't be used in the dual sleeve with a wireless card....The back of the camera interferes with the 802.11b card's antena protrussion....


Oh well.... I was thinking of the HP CAM....To use it on the IPAQ requires a third party driver, right?

Anyone with any suggestions...

Thx

[Pony99CA]

Sleeve: too much bulk.

[...]

Everyone talks about dream devices with features that are not yet available... but if you combined features with what is already out there, you can get a near perfect device.

Example:
Integrated WiFi and BT (iPaq 54xx)
Integrated phone (XDA, iPaq 56xx, etc)
Integrated multi-slots (e740, Axim, e550g, etc)
4" display (e550g)
Backlit transflective (Viewsonic, Axim, iPaq)
128mb memory (PCTechs, rumored future Toshiba and iPaq)
Small - see XDA, Viewsonic, etc

It can be done.... do you here PPC manufacturers? Go out and do it now!
If you think sleeves are too bulky to add items, imagine trying to pack all of that in one device. People are calling the Dells and sleeve-capable iPAQs "bricks", and they don't meet all of those criteria. What do you think they'd call a device that did meet them? Cinder blocks? :-)

While I'd like that device, too (even though you left out GPS and, to stay somewhat on topic, a camera), I'm happy to have my iPAQ that can be expanded with the functions that I need when I need them.

To refine your list, I'm not sure about the usefulness of a 4" screen. I'm very nearsighted, and my iPAQ 3870 is legible enough for me. Enlarging the screen without increasing the resolution actually makes images fuzzier, so why bother?

As for 128 MB memory, forget that. Let's go to 256 MB -- Pocket PC Techs already can do that for some devices.

Steve

[Kaber]

You can see more (a little bit more at least) about the veo in this thread (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=93984#93984). I got one and am happy with it. I just need MS Portrait to support it.