Great iPAQ 1910 Photos

[Jason Dunn]

<a href="http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=b7de3ef368122a9ac787ce51fdf8719c&threadid=66171">http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=b7de3ef368122a9ac787ce51fdf8719c&threadid=66171</a><br /><br />Interested in seeing some high-resolution images of the new iPAQ 1910? Check out this great thread on Brighthand.

[revolution.cx]

Yes, check it out.

As I was lamenting its lack of SDIO again, it occurred to me that maybe they didn't put IO support in because of the anemic battery. SDIO probably has some current and voltage requirements that might not be met with such a small battery.

That better be it, otherwise they are nuts.

I need something with bluetooth so I can bluetooth to a cell phone.

[techie]

Looks like HP got it right at last - the size is just right.

I loved my 3630 but it was a brick - I couldn't carry it around in my trouser or shirt pocket. Subsequent IPAQs have been even bigger. I was very happy to switch to the e310.

I think the 1910 is back on track - PDAs should be getting smaller and lighter (except for their screen).

Cheers.
Techie

[Fzara]

haha, anemic, thats really funny :D

[heov]

Yes, check it out.

As I was lamenting its lack of SDIO again, it occurred to me that maybe they didn't put IO support in because of the anemic battery. SDIO probably has some current and voltage requirements that might not be met with such a small battery.

That better be it, otherwise they are nuts.

I need something with bluetooth so I can bluetooth to a cell phone.

could it be that SDIO cost more than SD? nah... ;)
i don't think they were worried about the voltoge or battery life of SDIO, it was a cost cutting decision, just like with the dells.

[jeasher]

I saw the 1910 at CompUSA to day and it was amazing. If I didn't like my V35 or the 1910 was a little better, I would defect in a second.

[nirav28]

IMO, the 1910 plain sucks. Granted, its small and cute. I just played with one today at CompUSA. Come on..with No CF slot, and no SDIO..what makes it so compelling than maybe a low end Palm? If I wanted to simply use it as a PIM to manage contacts, appointments, mail and play MP3s..I could've gotten a Sony CLIE. Does HP/Compaq have any plans to release a Sleeve like the previous Ipaqs? Even a bluetooth enabled sleeve would be good enough. (If the sleeve is small enough)

The thought of havin a PDA simply having a tethered connection to the network turns me off about this device.

[aristoBrat]

Yes, check it out.

As I was lamenting its lack of SDIO again, it occurred to me that maybe they didn't put IO support in because of the anemic battery. SDIO probably has some current and voltage requirements that might not be met with such a small battery.

That better be it, otherwise they are nuts.

I need something with bluetooth so I can bluetooth to a cell phone.
I think the 1910 is aimed at PIM-centric users.

Finally there is a PocketPC that someone interested in a Palm (again, a PIM-centric user) can look at and not laugh at its size or price.

I really doubt HP had the PocketPC enthusiast in mind when they made this. ;)

[techie]

Yes, check it out.

As I was lamenting its lack of SDIO again, it occurred to me that maybe they didn't put IO support in because of the anemic battery. SDIO probably has some current and voltage requirements that might not be met with such a small battery.

That better be it, otherwise they are nuts.

I need something with bluetooth so I can bluetooth to a cell phone.
I think the 1910 is aimed at PIM-centric users.

Finally there is a PocketPC that someone interested in a Palm (again, a PIM-centric user) can look at and not laugh at its size or price.

I really doubt HP had the PocketPC enthusiast in mind when they made this. ;)

I thoroughly agree. To date, PPCs have been targetted at power users/enthusiasts who dont mind spending more, having a bigger unit and shorter battery life.

Palm's are simple, small, effective.

The 1910 and its ilk are finally challenging that, and I think they will start to make inroads into Palm's marketshare at the low end and for non-power users. That is where Palm dominates.

Cheers.
Techie.

[ThomasC22]

I saw the 1910 at CompUSA to day and it was amazing. If I didn't like my V35 or the 1910 was a little better, I would defect in a second.

I do have to say, everyone should head out to their local CompUSA and check the 1910's screen out. I had seen a Demo a while back but it must have been overused because the screen didn't look as good as the one I saw at CompUSA today.

I have to tell you, it's so good looking that I thought it was a demo unit with a "screen sticker" plastered on until I touched it!

[revolution.cx]

Regardless of whether Compaq had the enthusiast in mind when designing the 1910, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect communications connectivity on a $300 device.

Without a very compelling technical reason to leave off SDIO, it would seem to me that a product manager at Compaq made a very dumb decision.

This is a backwards move for the Pocket PC camp, particularly when Palm is moving forwards, however far behind they may be.

The average consumer pays closer attention than many people give them credit for, and I think many of them will choose the Viewsonic over the 1910.

[kagayaki1]

Regardless of whether Compaq had the enthusiast in mind when designing the 1910, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect communications connectivity on a $300 device.

Without a very compelling technical reason to leave off SDIO, it would seem to me that a product manager at Compaq made a very dumb decision.

This is a backwards move for the Pocket PC camp, particularly when Palm is moving forwards, however far behind they may be.

The average consumer pays closer attention than many people give them credit for, and I think many of them will choose the Viewsonic over the 1910.

I actually see a possible problem with your arguement. I think you're assuming that all consumers are seeking wireless connectivity. Moreover, You''re assuming they all want connectivity in a $300 device.

I think the reality is HP diversifies their target market by having models that don't have the potential out of the box for connectivity (ala 1910) and those that do (ala 5450). If HP was worried about this problem, they probably would have taken greater care to address what their competitors thought was important, such as Toshiba introcuing the e740 or Viewsonic's SDIO V35...

Great thing we live in a place where we choosewhat to buy. Don't like it, move on.

Also, I can think of a reason why they would leave it off. As someone said before in this thread, it would be a hinderance to battery life; no one wants to swap batteries every two hours :pukeface:

Perhaps when we see a little more mainstream proliferation of Bluetooth devices we'll see the PDA market move to all having integrated BT.

[ThomasC22]

The average consumer pays closer attention than many people give them credit for, and I think many of them will choose the Viewsonic over the 1910.

But they won't and that is the point I think people in this thread are trying to make. You're average consumer, say a Palm V/Vx user, is probably not going to want to go with a bigger PDA. I think HP's main concern here was size and any circuitry that they could remove from the device helped. Not to mention that most PDA users won't expand their device at all (memory or peripherals)

On the other side of things, HP as a company needs to keep the PDA segment profitable as possible (since they're margins are going to take a BIG hit one way or another) and if they can cut a feature out that most consumers don't care about and save some money, they will!

[Kati Compton]

You know, given that the SD slot isn't SDIO, I'm somewhat surprised they didn't just give it more RAM (and ROM!) and skip the slot. I mean, if they're going for a small device that's targeted to those consumers that really never add anything to their devices... I just wonder how the cost of the SD slot compares to the cost of a little extra internal memory.

I don't think that solution would work well for most people here, but I think it could work very well for a large segment of the "cheap-ish" PDA-buying population.

[revolution.cx]

I actually see a possible problem with your arguement. I think you're assuming that all consumers are seeking wireless connectivity. Moreover, You''re assuming they all want connectivity in a $300 device.


No, I'm not thinking that, I'm just thinking that for an otherwise well rounded model they cut a corner here. Doesn't really affect me but I've been in those kinds of meetings where people talk themselves into making silly decisions.

It's all part of a "good enough" and "we know what's best" attitude that landed Palm in the gutter.

Hopefully they didn't cut other corners (iPaq dust problem anyone?) with the SDIO just being the one that showed.


Also, I can think of a reason why they would leave it off. As someone said before in this thread, it would be a hinderance to battery life; no one wants to swap batteries every two hours :pukeface:


That was me. I wasn't suggestion integrated Bluetooth, just an SDIO slot. I dug up a few specs on it but couldn't find current requirements.

They'll probably do gangbuster sales with the 1910 regardless.

[ThomasC22]

They'll probably do gangbuster sales with the 1910 regardless.

Well, and there you go, I don't think there's anyone here who will say that HP was right to not support SDIO but it doesn't mean the product won't sell...god bless the soccor moms.

[revolution.cx]

I have to follow up again.

My point is that I understand marketing, price points, features vs cost, performance vs cost, etc.

But when I look at the 1910 I see a nice device with this big hole where expansion should be.

It's like making a recipe with many fine ingredients and then using ketchup for the tomato sauce.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Probably like everyone else, I've been compiling a list of pros and cons of each device I'm considering which includes: Viewsonic V35, HP1910, HP54xx, HP39xx, Dell Axim X5. I'm currently an iPaq3835 user which explains why the 39xx is an option to me.

Let me say that the HP1910 has the fewest number of pros and the longest list of cons compared to all other candidates w/ respect to my requirements. On the plus is the size / screen / form factor. On the minus for me: no SDIO or CF expansion (forget bluetooth / 802.11b), requires me to get a LARGE and expensive SD card for the memory I want, weak battery, 2.5mm headphone jack (instead of std 3.5mm), less than 64MB RAM available (not as bad as V35 though), price is same as higher-powered Axim...

...and yet, I gotta' admit, I'm STILL tempted to get one from looking at all the pictures b/c it's primary strengths (size / screen / form factor) are REALLY STRONG!!

Fact is, if I get this device, I probably wouldn't use it as a dedicated device b/c of it's limitations... but it would be nice to run out of the house with something this capable and this small and this light! ...especially when hitting the town at night...

[Janak Parekh]

You know, given that the SD slot isn't SDIO, I'm somewhat surprised they didn't just give it more RAM (and ROM!) and skip the slot. I mean, if they're going for a small device that's targeted to those consumers that really never add anything to their devices... I just wonder how the cost of the SD slot compares to the cost of a little extra internal memory.
That is a good question: what's the target market's requirements? Do note that the iPaq does have appeal as an MP3 player, and as such the SD slot is really necessary. Plus, nonvolatile high-speed SDRAM is quite expensive... unless you have two kinds of RAM inside the unit... ugh! :o

Also, I think MS has historically required some form of expansion in every WinCE device. The original iPaqs were the only units without any expansion whatsoever, but they had the sleeves. Maybe they should start requiring an I/O expansion built into the unit.

--bdj