HP Releases New iPAQs [Archive] - Thoughts Media Forums

Ed Hansberry

11-18-2002, 03:00 PM

<a href="http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2002/ipaq/">http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2002/ipaq/</a> HP has officially released the new iPAQ 1910 and iPAQ 5450. Sure enough, the specs on the 1910 say 16MB of NAND Flash memory and 64MB of SDRAM, 46 of which is user accessible. I guess some of the Pocket PC 2002 apps are going in RAM. Compaq has always been good about ensuring their customers got upgrades to the latest OS. They did it with the Palm-sized PC Aero and iPAQ 3100/3600 series. So lets hope HP follows that tradition. They will have to provide a custom version of whatever MS does whenever MS does it since the existing Pocket PC 2002 ROM is 22MB in size. I can only assume a new OS would be larger still. <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2002/20021118-newipaqs.jpg" /> Strange ROM size aside, looks like HP is ready to compete in the upper and lower range of handhelds. :)

Kirkaiya

11-18-2002, 04:04 PM

And, to take advantage of that SDIO slot (it *is* I/O, yes?), here's a quote from Eweek http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,713350,00.asp):

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HP officials said the trend is toward more SDIO functionality in the coming year, with the technology eventually overtaking the popular CF.

To that end, SyChip Inc. at Comdex is unveiling the WLAN6060SD, an SDIO card for 802.11b and one of the first WLAN cards in this form. Officials at SyChip said that potential licensees have said they want to get rid of other expansion slots in favor of SDIO.

Next year, SyChip plans to introduce an SDIO card with both WLAN and memory storage.

"Making wireless LAN combine with a memory card is going to be huge," said Tommer Catlin, MIS director at Webcor Technologies Inc., a construction contracting company in San Mateo, Calif. "You create another opening for expanding technology."
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entropy1980

11-18-2002, 04:07 PM

The 1910 is listed as not shiping till Dec. 16 and the 5450 listed as Dec. 9th....

sharmahw1

11-18-2002, 04:17 PM

Does anybody know if 5450 is GSM/GPRS enabled (via a sleeve or a card!). I am loking for something like 5450 but with Tri-band GSM/GPRS capability.
TX

Janak Parekh

11-18-2002, 04:17 PM

To that end, SyChip Inc. at Comdex is unveiling the WLAN6060SD, an SDIO card for 802.11b and one of the first WLAN cards in this form. Officials at SyChip said that potential licensees have said they want to get rid of other expansion slots in favor of SDIO.
Wow, that was amazingly quick.

Maybe we'll start seeing dual-SD slots on some of the slimmer units in the near-term.

--bdj

van_mierlo

11-18-2002, 04:39 PM

Does anybody know if 5450 is GSM/GPRS enabled (via a sleeve or a card!). I am loking for something like 5450 but with Tri-band GSM/GPRS capability.
TX

According to Dale's review it has an empty sim card slot in the back....so maybe providers here in the US will soon sell just Simcards or it is only for the rest of the world.

http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/ipaq/5400/5400-3.htm
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/ipaq/5400/images/battery-out2.jpg

Peter Foot

11-18-2002, 04:55 PM

You won't be able to just shove a sim in one and suddenly get online, however a bluetooth and gsm (no wifi) version has been promised although it will follow at a later date. The sim slot is a placeholder in the 5450 model.

Boxster S

11-18-2002, 04:59 PM

Does the 1910 have a jog wheel?

BadgerSoft

11-18-2002, 05:00 PM

From the HP Press Kit:
The award-winning iPAQ Pocket PC h1910
Now, how does a brand new product that before today hadn't sold a single unit become award-winning. :roll:

And enough with this Pocket PC stuff, HP! Ship me my Tablet PC before you announce any more products! I can't think about the next toy I want before playing with the one I just bought! :wink:

rokitrod

11-18-2002, 05:03 PM

I can't believe they're not making a model with even an "optional" cover like the jornada :cry:

Paul P

11-18-2002, 06:08 PM

From the HP Press Kit:
The award-winning iPAQ Pocket PC h1910
Now, how does a brand new product that before today hadn't sold a single unit become award-winning. :roll:

The main header is kind of funny as well:

hp introduces thinnest, lightest pocket pc plus a new iPAQ

The thinnest, lightest pocket pc is not new then? Sounds awkward...as though the lower end model is not really a true iPaq.

Sslixtis

11-18-2002, 06:12 PM

I don't know how many of these they will sell, considering the specs aren't great and the price point is above the ViewSonic. In addition to the fact that existing iPaq sleeves aren't compatible. Are they counting on sales from brand recognition?

I could be wrong but I just don't get this PPC. It seems to miss almost everywhere. Slowest X-scale, small ROM, shared RAM, not backward compatible. Does have a nice screen, SDIO and removeable battery though.

So I'm curious, is anyone out there considering this PPC and if so why?

entropy1980

11-18-2002, 06:24 PM

It's all about name recognition. They will sell because they are an Ipaq not any other reason. Oh and expect to see a price drop in 1-3 months with a rebate to the 200-250 range.

mookie123

11-18-2002, 06:39 PM

I think iPAQ 1910 is sort of the bastard child projectwithin the iPAQ team. The poor jornada design team.

Venturello

11-18-2002, 07:44 PM

I will wait till the built-in GSM model. THAT's the pocketpc for me. I got tons of iPaq accesories (didnt buy a 39xx, but from the first gen iPaq I still use as my only pocketpc).

This economic model sure looks sweet, in my opinion, I dont know why the negative reaction. Usable, lots of RAM, only thing I think HP blew it was by not making it compatible with all the available sleeves - this would have made it a more attractive product, and would have boosted more sales of high-profit accesories.

Its not important for me, it will not take part in my buying decision... but doesnt the bottom end of the new 50xx iPaq look ugly to you guys?

Merlion

11-18-2002, 08:19 PM

According to the official specs, the battery capacity of the 5450 has gone down from the 3800/3900 series' 1400 mAh to 1250 mAh. It's now user-replaceable though.

Should the 5450's battery capacity be lowered this much to make it user-replaceable? With both built-in Wi-Fi & BT, it's going to be needing even more power. If for regular daily use, 1400mAh's not enough & you're gonna be swapping batteries anyway, then 1250 mAh's fine. But if 1400 mAh's just enough, & you'll only need extra batteries when the situation calls for it like when travelling, then going 1250mAh'll mean that you'll definitely have to carry an extra battery wherever you go everyday.

I was hoping that HP'll increase the new H5400's battery capacity to maybe 1500 mAh or more, especially with all the built-in wireless capabilities, but I was kinda expecting it might drop in capacity coz it's now user-replaceable & also all the early info of the H5400 series in the last few months didn't have any info on the user-replaceable batteries' capacity.

szamot

11-18-2002, 08:28 PM

Janak Parekh

11-18-2002, 08:56 PM

According to the official specs, the battery capacity of the 5450 has gone down from the 3800/3900 series' 1400 mAh to 1250 mAh. It's now user-replaceable though.
There are limits to battery technology, of course. If you notice the pictures of the internal iPaq batteries to this one, the new one is quite a bit smaller physically, and as such is a neat engineering feat.

For me, it's not a problem though, as I have a supplementary battery pack as part of my CF+ sleeve.

--bdj

sponge

11-18-2002, 09:35 PM

Weakening the battery, but having it user replaceable makes it more attractive to buy a bigger battery, ie more money for HP.

Paul P

11-18-2002, 09:35 PM

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Rirath

11-18-2002, 09:45 PM

Great pics.

Merlion

11-18-2002, 09:58 PM

There are limits to battery technology, of course. If you notice the pictures of the internal iPaq batteries to this one, the new one is quite a bit smaller physically, and as such is a neat engineering feat.
Yes, but I supposed they could also have a larger battery, but there'll be less space to fit other things in the chassis. :)

For me, it's not a problem though, as I have a supplementary battery pack as part of my CF+ sleeve.

--bdj
That's exactly it! That was a point I was trying to make but took it out coz it might start a different discussion topic. I was trying to say that since a CF sleeve is still necessary (I took this part out coz the reasons for this obvious pt will take quite a while to write & might start other args), the battery & the optional hi-capacity battery of the Expansion Pack Plus would be a good way to add extra power when necessary, & at the same time maintain or increase the built-in bty capacity of the H5400s. For certain types of users that might not need a CF-slot, they would probably go for the slim H1910 or other cheaper & smaller sub-PPCs, & even if they did go for the H5450, HP can design the stock cover pack that came with the unit as a screen cover to also act as a device to add an extra bty.
So, they could make use of the EPPs & a newly-designed cover pack for adding extra btys rather than compromised the built-in bty of the H5400s. This is just a point of view & a suggestion; if HP could have a 1400 mAh or higher user-replaceable bty, then this isn't an issue. :?

Janak Parekh

11-18-2002, 10:29 PM

That's exactly it!
:snip:
if HP could have a 1400 mAh or higher user-replaceable bty, then this isn't an issue. :?
I know... but obviously, their engineers couldn't do it. Since it's removable though you can use the announced higher-capacity battery, or a sleeve, or whatever in between (battery extender?)

I think you'll find the built-in-battery more than useful for a couple hours of 802.11b use, which for me is actually enough -- I only use it during meetings, other times I'm at my desk with my PC. If you need more, consider a Bluetooth access point - the Bluetooth technology is much more battery-efficient.

Moreover, I don't think the difference between a 1250 and a 1400 mAh battery would be huge. You're talking about 10%. So instead of 120 minutes, you'd get 132 minutes. Big whoop :)

--bdj

Kirkaiya

11-18-2002, 10:37 PM

Man, after looking at those photos, I can see why people might buy the slower, strange-memory-allocation iPaq 1900 over the Dell. I mean - If I have to walk around all day with 1 of the 2 in my pocket, well, let's just say that Dell looks like the mommy whale, and the iPaq 1900 is the baby... (that iPaq is about Palm Vx sized, I think, or smaller).

If it wasn't for the wierdo ROM and the speed, i would get that over my someday-to-arrive Viewsonic (since otherwise they seem pretty much the same, the V35 being a bit longer is all). I'm just stoked seeing all these tiny PPCs coming out - it'll be nice to tell the Palm users, for once, that their Palms are just too big and chunky for me ;-)

And about the battery-technology - naturally, it's always the slowest progress (sigh). I keep reading about how these pocket-fuel-cells will take their place, but I guess that's still the better part of a decade away. (more sighing).

woa1

11-19-2002, 12:19 AM

Kirkaiya wrote:
Man, after looking at those photos, I can see why people might buy the slower, strange-memory-allocation iPaq 1900 over the Dell.
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Amen Kirkaiya! Those pics look great. I wrote in another thread that the HP is on top of my list because of size. Now I am waiting for an FAQ from HP explaining their puzzling 16MB ROM feature: e.g.
-Which part is in ROM and which part is in RAM?
-If you lose main battery power what happens to the part of the OS in RAM?
-And if you lose the part of the OS in RAM, is this easy to restore?
-Future upgradeability

Now if the answers are not satisfactory, then I will consider the Toshiba e335, Viewsonic or Tungsten (Docs to Go is amazing! and bluetooth is already built-in).

Janak Parekh

11-19-2002, 12:30 AM

If it wasn't for the wierdo ROM and the speed, i would get that over my someday-to-arrive Viewsonic (since otherwise they seem pretty much the same, the V35 being a bit longer is all). I'm just stoked seeing all these tiny PPCs coming out - it'll be nice to tell the Palm users, for once, that their Palms are just too big and chunky for me ;-)
Amen - that's what I've been saying all along too - the 1910 is the Palm V of Pocket PC's - slightly more expensive but oh-so-sexy.

I want to see an ad where someone pulls out a Tungsten T and smiles, then the "enlightened" individual next to them pulls out a 1910 (which, btw, is lighter than the T), puts on a set of headphones, and starts playing MP3's...

--bdj

Merlion

11-19-2002, 12:31 AM

I know... but obviously, their engineers couldn't do it. Since it's removable though you can use the announced higher-capacity battery, or a sleeve, or whatever in between (battery extender?)

I think you'll find the built-in-battery more than useful for a couple hours of 802.11b use, which for me is actually enough -- I only use it during meetings, other times I'm at my desk with my PC. If you need more, consider a Bluetooth access point - the Bluetooth technology is much more battery-efficient.

Moreover, I don't think the difference between a 1250 and a 1400 mAh battery would be huge. You're talking about 10%. So instead of 120 minutes, you'd get 132 minutes. Big whoop :)

--bdj
As in my original post, I don't know whether 1250 or 1400 are good enough, I'm just questioning HP's decision to lower their bty capacity & asking what people think. Perhaps HP has optimized the power-consumption of the device & it now lasted even longer than before, I don't know. The fact that the bty is user-replaceable might outweigh the lower capacity of the built-in battery, I don't know. Or the built-in wireless features might shorten the life of the unit even more with the lower-capacity bty, I don't know. How much is enough, & how much can be sacrificed, I don't know. I'm just wondering whether it's good to lower the built-in battery capacity when other very workable solutions (like the EPPs) are available. Like you said, since the engineers couldn't do it, I'm asking whether they should have done it. Having a "user-replaceable battery" as a feature will certainly help sell the devices though. I'm very conscious of my iPaq's bty life & each extra min is important to me, & I'd like all the PPCs to have as much bty life as possible, but size is a major limitation & size is also why we want a PPC in the first place instead of, say, an ultraportable. A certain capacity user-replaceable bty might alleviate the problems of some users, but might also add more inconvenience, depending on the user (like I've mentioned in my orig post).

In my previous post, I said "if HP could have a 1400 mAh or higher user-replaceable bty, then this isn't an issue," & that's why I posted, which is to ask people's opinions of the trade-offs. And Dale Coffing's review of the H5450 at PPCP mentioned the new bty is 1350 mAh, which is different from HP's H5450 datasheet which has it at 1250 mAh. So, maybe all these is for nothing, or maybe it's still a good topic to discuss this idea of trading off the built-in bty capacity for user-replaceability. Of course, it'll depend on what the balance point is & it's different for different users. Another ques .. if HP indeed has a higher-capacity battery for the H5450, it'll be bigger & so will make the H5450 not sleeve-compatible? Then we can't use the coverpack or other EPPs for the 5450? Then why not just use the EPP to add more power? I only have questions .. not smart enough to have answers. :(

Janak Parekh

11-19-2002, 12:41 AM

As in my original post
Sorry... the PPCThoughts server was slow today, so I was quoting from memory.

I'm just wondering whether it's good to lower the built-in battery capacity when other very workable solutions (like the EPPs) are available.
Well, I for one am very happy with the decision. While my 3870's battery is holding up for now, I am seeing my 3650's battery plummet (which my dad has; he charges it all the time now). With the 5450, I know that if I want to give the device to a relative 2 years (oh, who's kidding... 1 year) from now, I can just buy a new battery, snap it in, and give it to them like new-ish. :)

But good points overall, Merlion. The real question that comes up is how should a company get feedback on device designs... I'm sure reading PPCThoughts may help :D

--bdj

lllean

11-19-2002, 12:41 AM

>an FAQ from HP explaining their puzzling 16MB ROM feature: e.g.
>-Which part is in ROM and which part is in RAM?

The FAQ for the h1910 and h5450 are out in the HP website today.
It does mention the ROM/RAM issue and a bunch of other things.
The link is:
http://h20022.www2.hp.com/busprod/pocketpc/faq_h1910/?lsidebarLayId=858

I personally think the h1910 will outsell the Viewsonic.
Lots of users won't mind the ROM/RAM issue nor the slower CPU.
That's just my view.

It's been a great day seeing all the new stuff!

Janak Parekh

11-19-2002, 12:43 AM

The FAQ for the h1910 and h5450 are out in the HP website today. It does mention the ROM/RAM issue and a bunch of other things.
Oh no! Unless the bundle is different from the 3650 upgrade bundle (and I pray it is), you've got no spellchecker in Pocket Word, etc. :(

--bdj

Paragon

11-19-2002, 12:51 AM

When I first looked at the pictures I thought the Dell looked huge. Then I took bit of time to think about it and look again. Next to the 5450 it is not so huge. I think we are making a mistake comparing the Dell, and the 1910. The only way these two compete is in price. The Dell is closer in performance to the 5450. . I know it doesn't have all the built in toys the 5450 has but with dual slots it can have many of those features in a flexable Cf format. Although all three probably belong in a class of their own.

Dave

jizmo

11-19-2002, 01:40 AM

Great pictures, that just made up my mind. I knew that Viewsonic / iPAQ 1910 would be slightly smaller than Dell and looked better, but I could never ever believed that there was such a *dramatic* difference in size. iPAQ looks so tiny, trendy, slim that it just shouts out "look at me" :D

If the new iPAQ just plays out my video files with decent speed and the overall speed is ok, this is the device I want. I always felt kind of clumsy with my old 37xx series iPAQ, and that's the reason why I sold id (among the continuous problems with the build-in battery).

It's just so tiny, and now I can carry and extra battery so I never run out of power, even in long trips. And with it's fabulous looks it just goes very well with my other outfit. This is a one PDA that one can use anywhere with pride, it will most surely turn some heads.

I'm sorry if I sound like a HP spokesperson :lol: , but I just like it very very, very much 8) 8) 8)

/jizmo

woa1

11-19-2002, 02:04 AM

Illean: thanks for the FAQ. That clarifies things quite a bit!
-So the full OS is in ROM and the reserved RAM is used to load the OS for execution. Lame excuse about it being quicker this way :-)
-Future upgradeability will always be an issue.
-No SDIO! :-( :-(

BigDaddyJ: I think you are absolutely right! HP must have used the iPAQ Upgrade ROM bundle. I did some digging and https://www.compaqordercenter.com/ipaq2002upgrade/faq.asp has info on the iPAQ Upgrade Bundle. This implies no Spell Checker and also no WAP possible even as RAM installable options :-(.
Spell Checker I could probably live without. I use Pocket Word as basically a notepad given how crippled it is in round-tripping syncronization anyway.
WAP would be a pity not to have, however no SDIO and no Serial support means I am not sure how you will even get online with this device anyway!

Anyone had a chance to play with this device yet?
Quick question: Is there a ROM based Backup program (backup PIM or all data to SD Card) on the device?
The User Manual makes no mention of this and suggests backing up using ActiveSync. Lack of ROM based backup will definitely turn me off this device. I refuse to buy another device with which I can't restore data from a memory card when I am away from my PC. Had a few bad experiences with devices crashing.

Wow, what was HP thinking? If this was $199 maybe it wouldn't seems so bad! Now I've got to read some more and think about this again.

bucho

11-19-2002, 02:13 AM

Holy crap! 8O That 1910 looks so *tiny* on the comparison pictures... If I was in HP marketing I would slap a picture of the Dell next to the 1910 on every corner... I know they are not in the same category, but they just look like they are from different centuries when you look at them like that.

So , let's see:

HP1910:
200Mhz/48MB/SDIO/4.46x2.75x0.5/4.23oz/900mAh(replacable)/$299

ViewSonic V35
300Mhz/64MB/SDIO/4.8x3.0x0.5/4.2oz/900mAh/$299

Which one would you buy? I would take the smaller size and replacable battery over faster CPU and 16MB more memory... but that's just me.

It certanly looks like an interesting race... I think whichever one shows up in stores first would sell more.

11-19-2002, 02:27 AM

Which one would you buy? I would take the smaller size and replacable battery over faster CPU and 16MB more memory... but that's just me.

I´ll take the iPaq! 2 years ago my jornada 548 was $599. Now i´ll pay half for a better device, and much nicer.

Timothy Rapson

11-19-2002, 03:53 AM

Dell looks like the mommy whale, and the iPaq 1900 is the baby... (that iPaq is about Palm Vx sized, I think, or smaller).
- it'll be nice to tell the Palm users, for once, that their Palms are just too big and chunky for me ;-)

The HP is actually more like the Sony T665 with its four hour battery life.

We now have the T665, Palm V, Palm 505, 515, Tungsten T, ViewSonic, HP, Toshiba e330, Zayo, and (in Japan one Sharp Zaurus model) and who knows how many more almost exatly the same tiny size. Small enough to get lost in any pocket. All with at least some kind of slot. There is not a spits worth of diffence in any of their sizes. Yet, one year ago the only color expansion slot PDA anywhere near this size was the Palm M505. What a wonderful time to be a PDA fanatic.

Boxster S

11-19-2002, 04:05 AM

Pony99CA

11-19-2002, 04:35 AM

From the HP Press Kit:
The award-winning iPAQ Pocket PC h1910
Now, how does a brand new product that before today hadn't sold a single unit become award-winning. :roll:

I think they meant that the iPAQ line was award-winning, not the 1910, but I agree that the phrasing is horrible.

Steve

Boxster S

11-19-2002, 05:07 AM

The 1910 DOES NOT support SDIO. Read for yourself:

http://h20022.www2.hp.com/busprod/pocketpc/faq_h1910/?lsidebarLayId=858

Looks like V35 for me, if they ever release the damn thing

Pony99CA

11-19-2002, 05:19 AM

In my previous post, I said "if HP could have a 1400 mAh or higher user-replaceable bty, then this isn't an issue," & that's why I posted, which is to ask people's opinions of the trade-offs. And Dale Coffing's review of the H5450 at PPCP mentioned the new bty is 1350 mAh, which is different from HP's H5450 datasheet which has it at 1250 mAh. So, maybe all these is for nothing, or maybe it's still a good topic to discuss this idea of trading off the built-in bty capacity for user-replaceability. Of course, it'll depend on what the balance point is & it's different for different users. Another ques .. if HP indeed has a higher-capacity battery for the H5450, it'll be bigger & so will make the H5450 not sleeve-compatible? Then we can't use the coverpack or other EPPs for the 5450? Then why not just use the EPP to add more power? I only have questions .. not smart enough to have answers. :(
It has nothing to do with being smart, just knowledgable. These are new models to most of us. :-)

Regarding Dale saying the battery was 1350 mAh, I suspect that was a typo. 3 is next to 2, so that would make sense.

The high-capacity battery is 2500 mAh, I think. That would be for those people who don't want to use a sleeve. If you use an SD card for memory and WiFi to connect to the Internet, you might not need any sleeve.

Steve

pelucidor

11-19-2002, 05:28 AM

[quote="woa1"]Illean: thanks for the FAQ. That clarifies things quite a bit!
-So the full OS is in ROM and the reserved RAM is used to load the OS for execution. Lame excuse about it being quicker this way :-)
quote]

Actually the H1910 only has PPC 2002 Professional (unlike all other XScale devices which run PPC 2002 Premium). So things like Transcriber, Media Player, MSFT Instant Messenger, VPN etc are NOT in ROM (and hence not in the lost 18MB RAM). So if you use any of them you are rapidly down to < 40MB RAM. Also who knows if the OS is upgradeble?

Janak Parekh

11-19-2002, 06:40 AM

Actually the H1910 only has PPC 2002 Professional (unlike all other XScale devices which run PPC 2002 Premium). So things like Transcriber, Media Player, MSFT Instant Messenger, VPN etc are NOT in ROM (and hence not in the lost 18MB RAM). So if you use any of them you are rapidly down to < 40MB RAM. Also who knows if the OS is upgradeble?
No, it's not that bad. The 18MB of RAM is the software overhead for Transcriber, Media Player, etc. 64 - 18 = 46.

I'd be curious as to how much actual $$ they saved by using 16MB NAND flash instead... I'm hoping that it was > $30...

--bdj

Fishie

11-19-2002, 06:55 AM

st63z

11-19-2002, 06:59 AM

^ Hmm, V35/1910 comparison a bit more skewed now then?

But still, replaceable batt, good...

woa1

11-19-2002, 07:04 AM

I believe pelucidor is right. The 18MB is reserved to actual run the OS since eXecute-In-Place isn't supported (according to my understanding of the ROM and RAM sections of the FAQ). So installations of the other software components (Media Player etc) will take up some of the remaining 46MB RAM.

Interesting specs, here also:
http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/11491_na/11491_na.HTML
SpellChecker is listed as being on the device! Hmm, they also list VPN though the FAQ claims it isn't in ROM. Why can't they verify these things before putting them online?

Timothy Rapson

11-19-2002, 02:31 PM

I really wonder what causes this kind of nonsense. Did HP really save that much money with all this ROM slop? I guess the consumer they are looking for on this device won't know or care, but how much work did they do to save the price of just using the same 32 meg ROM that all other PPCs, even the $200 Axim, include?

It makes me wonder what other things they did to cut corners. Is the case made of ultrathin plastic? Cheaper paint? Another HP debacle over 12 bit vs 16 bit color?

The software bundle appears to include less than what the $199 Axim include too. How much does cheap Microsoft charge for professional level versus the premium level? How much do they think they are going to make extra charging for Outlook 2002 now?

Crippleware. Deliberately cripple this so as not to cut into 3000-5000 model sales.

And, the real problem for serious users is that none of us will really know how this may play out until the next ROM upgrade won't work on this.

Pony99CA

11-19-2002, 05:24 PM

Oh no! Unless the bundle is different from the 3650 upgrade bundle (and I pray it is), you've got no spellchecker in Pocket Word, etc. :(

According to the 1910 quick spec (http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2002/ipaq/h1910quickspecs.pdf), spellchecking is included in Word and Inbox.

Steve

Janak Parekh

11-19-2002, 06:36 PM

No its not, the NAND Flash cannot be used to execute from so the 18MB of ram is where the OS resides when in use while the NAND Flash is only used to actually store the S in a non volatile way.
OS cant run from NAND Flash, so the 18MB can NOT be used to store transcriber, WMP or whatever else ya might want to instal there.
You simply cant instal annything there as it will be used to run the actual OS at.
Sigh. I just reread it, looks like I was wrong :oops:. So you basically have a 32MB device, it seems, once you put the Premium components back onto it. Of course, maybe the average 1910 consumer won't be using some of the Premium apps.

I hope HP is saving a lot of money then... and eventually passes the savings onto consumers. I still maintain, though, that this device will appeal to consumers not due to its computation power and memory, but it's Palm V-ness. I'm really curious, though, as to how much this unit costs HP to manufacture.

--bdj

p.s. Why can't they spell "nonvolatile"? Nonviolation memory or something? :lol: