Samsung CDMA Windows Powered SmartPhone 2002 [Archive]

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 04:39 PM

<a href="https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=263435&native_or_pdf=pdf">https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=263435&native_or_pdf=pdf</a> No, you're not hallucinating - there's finally going to be a device that has "Windows Powered" and "CDMA" in the same breath. The Samsung SCH-i600 is a full-fledged Smartphone that functions on the CDMA and AMPS network on the 800 and 1900 Mhz frequencies. It looks like it will be sold by Verizon Wireless, but I imagine CDMA carriers across the US and Canada will be snapping it up quickly. What took so long? FCC approval of course! That seems to be the biggest hurdle for wireless Pocket PCs to clear - it's much more complex to build a device with integrated wireless than a stand-alone device. Here's a photo (linked to a larger image): <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/samsung-smartphone-big.jpg"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/samsung-smartphone-small.jpg" /></a> No word on pricing, release date, etc. What you see in the PDF files is all I know, but my guess is you'll see this on store shelves in 90 days or less. You can see more photos <a href="https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=263421&native_or_pdf=pdf">in this PDF file</a>. My past two phones have been Samsung, so I'm looking forward to seeing this device in the CDMA markets up here in Canada. Some of the specs: • FCC approved on 08/13/2002 • Windows Powered SMARTPHONE 2002 • Secondary Screen • PDA • functionality - Contacts, Calendar, Inbox / SMS • Internet Explorer built in • Windows Media • MSN Messenger • Tasks • Voice Memo / Voice Command • ActiveSync synchronization technology • T9 predictive text entry • 4-way navigation buttons • SD memory slot (also allow you to connect peripherals using SD I/O interface • Two soft keys • Profiles - Normal, Silent, Meeting, Loud, Automatic, HeadSet, Car and SpeakerPhone • Battery Type: Lithium-Ion • Battery Capacity: 800 mAH Source: Paul

Foo Fighter

08-15-2002, 04:44 PM

Holy schmoly! If the price is competitive...this could be a Treo killer! 8O

Does it have a transflective LCD?

Birdman

08-15-2002, 04:49 PM

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 04:51 PM

Holy schmoly! If the price is competitive...this could be a Treo killer! 8O

Maybe. Treo is still more about data, this is more about phone. I think ultimately devices like this will have more mass-market success than the PDA/hybrid devices that us geeks lust over. ;-)

Does it have a transflective LCD?

:lol: I should have known you'd ask that...I doubt it. That's a pretty expensive technology for a phone. I haven't seen any phones with back-lit screens, but I'm sure it's possible. And, again, I want to stress that I don't know any more than what's in the docs - you should read them for yourself.

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 04:53 PM

More phone than pocketPC? versus the T-Mobile PocketPCPhone (or whatever its called) which is more PocketPC than phone? Is that about right?
This phone looks like it will still have contacts, Media Player etc.?

Yes, that's right. It has light PIM, but no Word or Excel readers for instance. It's 80% phone and 20% data PDA, whereas the T-Mobile and all other XDA devices are 80% data PDA and 20% phone. This is a better device for heavy cell phone users than a T-Mobile device.

jmulder

08-15-2002, 05:00 PM

At first glance, it doesn't look as elegant as the Sendo phone, in fact, the hinge makes it look a little funky (IMO).

However, if price is reasonable and Verizon has decent service in the places I use my phone, and the right plans are there, I'll probably jump on the early bus rather than wait for T-Mobile to offer a Smartphone2002.

-Jim

Birdman

08-15-2002, 05:04 PM

It's an interesting trade-off. I carry my old ipaq 3635 with me virtually everywhere and while I often take my phone, I use it mainly to call my desk and check voice mail on the weekends, or call my home to say "I'm on the way home"; or "I am at the store, what do we need?". I am definitely an 80% PocketPC user and a 20% phone user. (Because of this, I have been sending emails everywhere I can find to see if (i) I can buy the PPCPhone from T-Mobile and unlocked and use it in Toronto - still no word from them yet; or (ii) either Fido or Rogers will be carrying the PPCPhone - also still no word from them yet.

Even though GPRS is horribly expensive in Toronto, I could probably use the phone to dial into my firm's RAS and do remote AS to get my mail, which is basically what I do now with my CF modem. That would only use voice minutes and not data minutes which are much more expensive.

But then you look at this phone and even though it doesn't have word or excel, (which I mainly use on vacation as my ipaq and CF modem replaces a laptop when I travel) it does have inbox, contacts, tasks, Media Player etc. If it supports Notes (which I could use instead of ListPro) that is a big chunk of how I use my ipaq. (Of course, can't forget about Audible Player, ewallet and Reader.)

So where does that leave me? I would probably miss the added functionality of the PPC. O.k., I convinced myself, the 80% phone - 20% PPC equation doesn't work for me. I WANT A PPC Phone in CANADA!

(Sorry for the ramble)

08-15-2002, 05:24 PM

blah, blah...cool pic, cool phone...but the thing that i really liked was jason's note to dave. conversational watermarking has begun!

cheers.
pt

Don Sorcinelli

08-15-2002, 05:39 PM

humor

08-15-2002, 05:45 PM

Of course, if anyone has any info on the following, I would be most appreciative:

1. Will the Toshiba SD I/O Bluetooth adapter work in this device…so that I can use my PPC with a Bluetooth adapter to wirelessly browse the internet through the phone (I know it has the SD I/O slot, but will there be drivers for the phone)?
2. Is it Verizon “Express network” capable (the high speed data option)?
3. With the Toshiba SD I/O Bluetooth adapter, could I use a Bluetooth headset with the phone?
4. Will the phone have support to connect directly to Microsoft Mobile information server to sync email/calendar/tasks…or do you have to sync with Active sync?

Humor

brntcrsp

08-15-2002, 05:56 PM

ah so, took me a minute to understand what pt et. al. were talking about.

It's cool to see more SmartPhones coming out, but I find it infuriating that none of these devices have shipped yet. At this rate of progress we won't see a Smartphone 2002 device until 2003.

slainte
-erik

grogma

08-15-2002, 05:59 PM

Interesting. When I first saw a prototype stinger many moons ago it didn't have a touchscreen and I thought that was pretty much going to gut the thing in terms of PDA functionality but Microsoft was adamant that they needed to delete the touch screen to make device more phone like. I wondered if that would last and evidently it has. No touchscreen on this baby. It will be a gnarly high end phone but for anything else it will suck as bad as any other cell phone. Data entry, even using T9, sucks on a phone keypad. Sigh. Why can't we have it both ways? A good phone, designed to be used as a phone and a good PDA designed to be used as a PDA. The Treo at least got that mostly right. :?

Kirk Stephens

08-15-2002, 06:09 PM

blah, blah...cool pic, cool phone...but the thing that i really liked was jason's note to dave. conversational watermarking has begun!

cheers.
pt

And here, we were all worried about viruses being embedded in JPEGs. Now we have to also consider subliminal (or obvious, in this case) messages embedded... :wink:

BTW - when I finally looked at the full image, I had to close my office door to mute the laughter!

Jason, that message is pretty brutal man. I think dave learned his lesson after the last very embarassing episode. However the note is still hilarious I had trouble controlling my laughter :rofl:

Back on topic...Microsoft is really trying to cover it's bases in terms of a wireless vision. It is clear to them that if they want to capture more marketshare, they have to tap the wireless market. They have realized that it is near impossible create a device that is a Pocket PC and a Cell Phone and have it do both functions perfectly. So they are putting out Pocket PC 2002 Phone Edition which is a Pocket PC with cellphone capabilities and Smartphone 2002 which is a cellphone with Pocket PC capabilities. These are very exciting times for us enthusiasts :D

ijablokov

08-15-2002, 06:12 PM

None of these will be Treo (or Blackberry) killers until they get built-in keyboards. I'm not talking about bulky clip-ons either.

heov

08-15-2002, 06:31 PM

What's the screen resoultion on these? Also, what processor does it use?

Bob Anderson

08-15-2002, 06:35 PM

Hallelujah, Hallelujah...

I was going to upgrade my Verizon phone in September... well I was!! I need a new cell phone anyway... and this would be a perfect combination. So, I'll postpone my purchase for a while ... I think.

I will still have a PDA, mainly for going to meetings and stuff, but when I'm just going to be going to the store, running errands, etc. this would be PERFECT.

The concept of 80% phone and 20% data seems realistic and appropriate. You get to a point where working with a lot of data on a small screen hits the "law of diminishing returns" (except that in this case the issue is that the smaller it gets, the less efficient it is.)

Finally, let me just say that the years of investment that MSFT has made in mobile devices is starting to show some true results. MSFT doesn't enter a market to play second fiddle, they want to be #1. And while this phone may not be *perfect* it's certainly going to make Stinger a viable player in the marketplace.

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 06:45 PM

None of these will be Treo (or Blackberry) killers until they get built-in keyboards. I'm not talking about bulky clip-ons either.

This is not a PDA, it's a phone.
A phone is not a text-heavy, rich data device.

This is not a PDA, it's a phone.
This device is not a corporate email device like a RIM.

This is not a PDA, it's a phone.
This device is not a PDA with a touch screen like a Treo.

This is not a PDA, it's a phone.

I think I need to turn this into a song or something... :wink:

brntcrsp

08-15-2002, 06:50 PM

Ceci n’est pas un PDA.

ijablokov

08-15-2002, 06:50 PM

I wasn't picking on this device in particular... ;) Just that we need something between the phones and the tablet style pocketpc's to compete with Treo and Blackberry.

jdhill

08-15-2002, 06:52 PM

So Jason,

Is this device a phone or is it a PDA ??? :wink: :wink: :wink:

ijablokov

08-15-2002, 06:52 PM

Ceci n’est pas un PDA.

Oui, je sais. lol

Arne Hess

08-15-2002, 07:22 PM

Ugly! Here I'm happy that this device (expect the OS for sure) will never make its way to Europe, at least I hope... :wink:

Dave Conger

08-15-2002, 07:37 PM

Jason, that message is pretty brutal man. I think pdadave learned his lesson after the last very embarassing episode. However the note is still hilarious I had trouble controlling my laughter :rofl:

Pardon me Kirk? pdadave, me, doesn't steal Jason's images (notice the Palm image in my rumors section say "Pocket PC Thoughts" on it still).

BTW, the Dave that Jason is talking about has already posted it, without PPCThoughts as the source and with a "clean" image.

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 07:55 PM

brntcrsp

08-15-2002, 07:56 PM

None of these will be Treo (or Blackberry) killers until they get built-in keyboards. I'm not talking about bulky clip-ons either.

What if there was a bluetooth thumbboard? Pop in the bluetooth SDIO card and if the appropriate partnership is available use any available BT enable key/thumb board. (yes, it would be assumed that BT even works, Ed).

On another note - PM me if you have comments about my avatar. Trying to gauge its cute vs. humor vs. annoyance factor.

JMountford

08-15-2002, 08:08 PM

Holy Smart phone Batman!
Yes indeed Robin.

Quick Robin, ... send a email to Commissioner Gordon. We've fallen into Joker's evil clutches and he has my PPC.

But, Batman all these late nights, and my raging hormones have me taking this time to Fantasize about Bat Girl and Catwoman.

That's quite all right Robin.. The Smartphone has one handed operation. And works on the CDMA network.

Holy High tech Batman!

Yes Robin now peck away. Peck Away.

JMountford

08-15-2002, 08:08 PM

Hey this is Post 200 for me, ye haw!

Anyway this thing is ugly as heck!!!!

JMountford

08-15-2002, 08:13 PM

Which is not to say I do not want it because I do! But, only if the Bluetooth SD card will work with it and it uses the 1XRTT protocols.

Really what this phone has going for it are the MS SP2002 OS, color Screen, and one handed operation.

Hopefully it will have the added benefits of Bluetooth through SD and 1XRTT built in. Now I also hope there is the GPS parts in the CDMA Chip for location based services. Then lastly, of Course, it needs to come out for Sprint PCS. Verizon gets it first because they have some kind of deal with MS, but that sucks.

The one drawback,... DAMN IT IS UGLY!!!!

Kirk Stephens

08-15-2002, 08:16 PM

Pardon me Kirk? pdadave, me, doesn't steal Jason's images (notice the Palm image in my rumors section say "Pocket PC Thoughts" on it still).

BTW, the Dave that Jason is talking about has already posted it, without PPCThoughts as the source and with a "clean" image.

oooops! Very sorry about that. I had read one of your posts and had the pdadave name in my head. I know your not the dave that jason is referring to.

ARW

08-15-2002, 08:20 PM

There is a Dog! :D I was hoping, but had kind of given up on any Stinger device being released this year. Since I'm a diehard Verizon Wireless user this is perfect. Now if we could just get Phatware to port notes over I'd truly be in heaven and be able to go 95% of the time without my PPC.

Brian K

08-15-2002, 08:26 PM

I don't get it... You yanked this pic right out of the PDF file posted on that website. Why suddenly is it inappropriate for someone else to do the same?

Unless this is just some (not so) subtle jab at this Dave guy...

Brian K

scrinch

08-15-2002, 08:31 PM

Judging from the PDF document, the screen seems to have a resolution of about 180 x 240 pixels. I don't know what MS Smartphone 2002 requires, but the Sendo Smartphone has a similar resolution of 208 x 240 pixels. Either of these beats the pants off the 160 x 160 resolution that the Palm-based smartphones are giving us.

I dunno about the processor...[/quote]

Dave Conger

08-15-2002, 08:56 PM

ThomasC22

08-15-2002, 09:02 PM

The one drawback,... DAMN IT IS UGLY!!!!

Thank YOU! I've been reading this whole thread wondering if I was the only one who thought this thing was ugly.

That being said, since I really like my carrier (Sprint) and this is CDMA, I'm probably going to suck it up, provided this has support for their 3G (well, more like 2G) services.

BTW, sprint and samsung have a pretty good relationship so I would pretty much count on this phone being available through sprint eventually.

My big thing here (I know this post seems like a bunch of random thoughts but what the heck) is the price. I, having actually seen the Smartphone 2002 device, don't see how it looks that much better than the $179 Sanyo phone that is currently being offered by sprint. IF the price is still the $449 that we were hearing back when the Sendo appeared then MS might have a problem.

Arne Hess

08-15-2002, 09:21 PM

Pardon me Kirk? pdadave, me, doesn't steal Jason's images (notice the Palm image in my rumors section say "Pocket PC Thoughts" on it still).

Indeed, I was not talking about PDADave. If you don't know the Dave I'm talking about, it's better that way. :lol: But let's talk about the device, and not my watermark, shall we? :wink:
Just a question before we talk again about the, well you call it device, I call it ugly... ;-) Are we talking about "that" Dave who rips of content from the web like hell and launched a new PPC PE dedicated site, that Dave who writes this on his site: "Yesterday I was able to get a NEW Voicestream O2 XDA PocketPC Phone".?
I wonder what Pocket PC Phone Edition he got? I wasn't aware, that o2 and VoiceStream already merged and already sell the VoiceStream Phone Edition in the US as the o2 xda also... LOL... Wonder what T-Mobile and mmO2 think about a posting like this...
Also we are talking about that Dave who rips my "Teaser Images" from PPCW.Net like the

http://www.davescompaqipaq.com/images/02_mda.jpg

one which doesn't shows the VoiceStream (O2 xda) Phone Edition but the German T-Mobile "MDA".
I just want to make it sure for myself... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Kirk Stephens

08-15-2002, 09:29 PM

Just a question before we talk again about the, well you call it device, I call it ugly... ;-) Are we talking about "that" Dave who rips of content from the web like hell and launched a new PPC PE dedicated site, that Dave who writes this on his site: "Yesterday I was able to get a NEW Voicestream O2 XDA PocketPC Phone".?
I wonder what Pocket PC Phone Edition he got? I wasn't aware, that o2 and VoiceStream already merged and already sell the VoiceStream Phone Edition in the US as the o2 xda also... LOL... Wonder what T-Mobile and mmO2 think about a posting like this...
Also we are talking about that Dave who rips my "Teaser Images" from PPCW.Net like the

http://www.davescompaqipaq.com/images/02_mda.jpg

one which doesn't shows the VoiceStream (O2 xda) Phone Edition but the German T-Mobile "MDA".
I just want to make it sure for myself... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I accidently refered to pdadave (the one who posts here) in my post earlier in the thread when I meant to refer to the other dave who steals content. Everyone else was just correcting me. Sorry about the confusion.

Arne Hess

08-15-2002, 09:33 PM

I accidently refered to pdadave (the one who posts here) in my post earlier in the thread when I meant to refer to the other dave who steals content. Everyone else was just correcting me. Sorry about the confusion.
No, no... This wasn't as a reply to your mail, but to Jason to correct me if I'm wrong with my idea he was talking about... :wink:
So it's not related to you!

JMountford

08-15-2002, 09:46 PM

I would definitely expect to see this phone at Sprint PCS but at least a month after Verizon gets it. I think since they have a partnership with MS Verizon gets the benefit of being able to offer the MS products exclusively for at least a month.

I am a bit worried about the price. Samsung is rather proud of their devices even though save for one or two they really are quite ugly.

Now the a500 is beautiful, absolutely gorgeous. And though this phone is ugly as all hell, I will still probably pick it up as no other CDMA phone even comes close to having the features I want.

In all these forums people are focusing on either the "80% PDA" users or the "80% phone" users. What about those of us that are 50 50? I use my phone for a phone and my PPC for a PPC. I would love to be able to connect my PPC to the net and EMail wirelessly on the road or wherever, but, that function needs to be dependent on my phone. I will always have a phone and a PDA so I do not plan on buying a card for my PPC that uses an other plan when my phone should be able to do the job when I occasionally need it to.

Jason Dunn

08-15-2002, 10:09 PM

Maybe I'm strange, but I don't mind the way it looks. I have a Samsung 8500 right now and it looks similar... 8)

shinsetsuguy

08-15-2002, 10:10 PM

This is not a PDA, it's a phone.

Then isn't this Off-topic news? :wink:

I think it is really great this has SDIO, since that hopefully will make it compatible with the Toshiba Bluetooth card. That would be slick to be able to you this phone and a Pocket PC together.

The problem is that you would have to buy two cards--one for the phone and one for the PPC. At 300 bucks, I would rather get a PPC phone combo.

Arne Hess

08-15-2002, 10:16 PM

Maybe I'm strange, but I don't mind the way it looks. I have a Samsung 8500 right now and it looks similar... 8)
Pardon!? You mean you don't think this "thing from another world" looks ugly!?
Maybe you are strange, maybe you are simply Canadian, maybe I'm simply Europen but this "thing" (I will not call it SMP 2002, Cell Phone or anything else anymore ;-) ugly!

JMountford

08-15-2002, 10:20 PM

Sentsuguy Wrote:The problem is that you would have to buy two cards--one for the phone and one for the PPC. At 300 bucks, I would rather get a PPC phone combo.
You are forgetting about the iPaq 3875 and 3975 as well as the Loox, all of which have Bluetooth built in.

BTW the i600 also has Infrared built in so it will work with any PDA/PPC that has IR, it is just how fast or slow is an issue.

BTW,
Jason Dunn Wrote:
Maybe I'm strange, but I don't mind the way it looks. I have a Samsung 8500 right now and it looks similar...

You are strange. But that's why we come here. You know, to be entertained. :wink:

Dave Conger

08-15-2002, 10:22 PM

The problem is that you would have to buy two cards--one for the phone and one for the PPC. At 300 bucks, I would rather get a PPC phone combo.

Ooo, very good point. Didn't think of that one. For some reason I was thinking every Pocket PC user must be using an iPAQ 3870/3970 with built in wireless :o

One benifit to this though is that if you PDA battery dies, at least your phone still doesn't. I just don't see the XDA or Thera getting good battery lives like a cell phone.

Arne Hess

08-15-2002, 10:24 PM

The problem is that you would have to buy two cards--one for the phone and one for the PPC. At 300 bucks, I would rather get a PPC phone combo.
By the way, many operators offer twin cards - two SIM cards with one contract!
This was designed for a car phone and a mobile phone but works also on cell phone/PPC PE combo! :-)

JMountford

08-15-2002, 10:30 PM

Arene Hess Wrote:By the way, many operators offer twin cards - two SIM cards with one contract!
This was designed for a car phone and a mobile phone but works also on cell phone/PPC PE combo!
Jason and Shen were talking about the BT cards here, I think, Arne.

steddyman

08-15-2002, 10:38 PM

The SmartPhone 2002 specification (note the PHONE in that title) is based on the TI OMAP 710 processor which is an ARM 920 core running at 133Mhz with on-chip GSM/GPRS. This same chipset is used in the HP 928 WDA.

The resolution of the screen is 176 x 220 in portrait mode. The specification allows color and monochrome screens too. It doesn't have a stylus input and is driven using keys or a joystick only. It won't run Pocket PC 2002 software without modification.

That PDF also shows on the label for the phone that it is actually a Tri-Band device, so there is no reason it shouldn't be launched in Europe too. It looks very close to a Samsung A300E.

I hope this clarifies a few questions.

Steddy

splintercell

08-15-2002, 10:40 PM

Total drool! :turn-l: Lust. Desire. Questions: only dual band? Analog is nice when nothing else is available someplace on the road, even if data didn't work. Battery life? 1xRTT support? Without it, it would lose quite a bit of shine. When, where, how much, why don't I have it yet?! :x

rubberdemon

08-15-2002, 10:57 PM

Actually, I think when a CDMA phone says tri-band, it means 800MHZ digital, 800 AMPS (Analogue) and 1900 Digital. This will not work in Europe, as europe is GSM - only.

bitbank

08-15-2002, 11:20 PM

scrinch,
The standard resolution for SmartPhone 2002 is 176x220 in 16 bit color

L.B.

Leon

08-16-2002, 12:50 AM

ijablokov

08-16-2002, 12:56 AM

What if there was a bluetooth thumbboard? Pop in the bluetooth SDIO card and if the appropriate partnership is available use any available BT enable key/thumb board. (yes, it would be assumed that BT even works, Ed).

Interesting thought, but I'm sick of seperate accessories... I'm not Batman nor do I wish to be... We'll get there by 2005, but the wait is annoying. ;)

Jason Dunn

08-16-2002, 02:52 AM

Did you notice he wrote that article (http://www.davescompaqipaq.com/mobile.htm)on August 6, 2001?

Arne's point is that there's no such thing as an "O2 XDA PocketPC Phone by Voicestream". 02 is a company in the UK that sells the 02 XDA. T-Mobile sells the T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition.

Dave Conger

08-16-2002, 05:11 AM

Arne's point is that there's no such thing as an "O2 XDA PocketPC Phone by Voicestream". 02 is a company in the UK that sells the 02 XDA. T-Mobile sells the T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition.

I have always thought of it as the "T-Mobile XDA" as it is the T-Mobile service for the XDA device. It is after all the hardware.

Back on SmartPhone, what software does this run? Specifically SP'02 comipled software right? Does SP'02 only support ARM, or are we going to see multiple flavors of software?

Jason Dunn

08-16-2002, 06:07 AM

Back on SmartPhone, what software does this run? Specifically SP'02 comipled software right? Does SP'02 only support ARM, or are we going to see multiple flavors of software?

ARM only, and it's a flavour of the Pocket PC OS with an optimized GUI.

Leon

08-16-2002, 07:38 AM

Arne's point is that there's no such thing as an "O2 XDA PocketPC Phone by Voicestream". 02 is a company in the UK that sells the 02 XDA. T-Mobile sells the T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition.
Yes, I know what Arne's point was. :) I just noticed that the dates of his articles on the mobile page (and of most of his front page articles too) are a year off. So much for reliability. But I agree: I was not adding much to the discussion.

Arne Hess

08-16-2002, 07:43 AM

Are we talking about "that" Dave who rips of content from the web like hell and launched a new PPC PE dedicated site, that Dave who writes this on his site: "Yesterday I was able to get a NEW Voicestream O2 XDA PocketPC Phone".?
Did you notice he wrote that article (http://www.davescompaqipaq.com/mobile.htm)on August 6, 2001?
Did you also notice that he use the wrong date in the mobile edition while on the main page (http://www.davescompaqipaq.com/) it is August 6, 2002?
By the way: If he wrote it 2001, he would knew more than many others because in August 2001:

T-Mobile was still VoiceStream in US ;-)
o2 was still BT Cellnet, Telfort or VIAG Interkom and now one knew the new name at that time ;-)
not the T-Mobile PPC PE nor the xda was available to buy ;-)
PPC 2002 wasn't released ;-)

But at least the T-Mobile MDA picture is changed to the proper T-Mobile PPC PE now... ;-)

Kai_Shiden

08-16-2002, 10:53 PM

Just so that you guys know, I looked at the FCC site and found the internal pictures of the I600 (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=263423&native_or_pdf=pdf, be patient it takes a while to load), if you rotate and blow up first picture of the primary circuit board, you can actually read the chipset number off of it (MSM5100).

Then by going up to Qualcomm's site you can look up the chipset http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/products/msm5100.html, it say's right in the specs for the chipset that it supports the new high speed connection capability (up to 307kbps, which is commonly known as 1xRTT).

{edit} Oops forgot to mention that the res in the picture isn't good enough to read the chipset off of the main processor, but I will let you know it's the right size to be a StrongArm, and it has the Intel "i" symbol on it, so this isn't the TI chip.

Just thought you guys might find this interesting as no one seems to mention that it is capable of linking to Sprint's Vision network.

Kai_Shiden

whydidnt

08-18-2002, 05:21 AM

:( The lack of touch screen ruins it for me. Typical Microsoft - purposely disable a vital feature to make the product "different" than those they already offer. Without a touchscreen, and limited T9 entry it makes it impossible to use this phone as a PDA, so why bother. There are already phones in the marketplace that offer calanders, and MP3 playback, etc... and I bet this phone will cost about double those that already exist.

I understand that many in the phone market don't want a touch screen, but why not at least allow that possiblity for those of us who want a true convergence device. I am getting fed up with companies making compromises on what's offered on the devices just to make them different from their other products. The (lack of) touchscreen here-- Handspring's decision not to provide removable storage on the trio phone--the O2's lack of analog network support, etc... The companies always seem to be telling us what we want or need, instead of the other way around. Then the products flop, and they decide we just aren't ready for a combo device like this. Truth is we are ready as soon as Microsoft or someone can deliver.

ThomasC22

08-18-2002, 06:26 AM

whydidnt

08-18-2002, 07:23 AM

:o Well, it may very well be true that Touch screens are easier to break. However, in my years of using PDA's going all the way back to the Palm III and the Phillips Nino, I've never broken one. Guess I'm just lucky.

If I don't get PDA functionality what makes this phone "SMART"? As I indicated before there are phones in the marketplace that already do what it does and I don't see a huge fan base for them, because of the difficulty in actually changing/editing/adding information with limited T9 funcitionality.

Guess I'll keep waiting...

ThomasC22

08-18-2002, 07:57 PM

:o Well, it may very well be true that Touch screens are easier to break. However, in my years of using PDA's going all the way back to the Palm III and the Phillips Nino, I've never broken one. Guess I'm just lucky.

You're VERY lucky. I was averaging an iPaq screen a month for a couple of months there :x But yeah, I was talking to one of the Smartphone (then Stinger) engineers and this is the reason he gave so at least you know MS isn't doing it just to vary their product line.

If I don't get PDA functionality what makes this phone "SMART"? As I indicated before there are phones in the marketplace that already do what it does and I don't see a huge fan base for them, because of the difficulty in actually changing/editing/adding information with limited T9 funcitionality.

Well, and I'm in the same boat as you are on this, I guess you'll just have to wait. The problem is that PocketPC phones are about a generation or so behind Palm phones. So, where every Palm phone manufacturer has realized that consumers want hardware buttons and screen covers on their PDAPhones, PocketPC manufacturers haven't yet.

Hopefully, they will soon. I think the main problem right now is that Micrsoft, rather than focusing on a good product for all occasions, has this idea that they need separate products for people who are data focused and those who are voice focused which gives you some really lopsided products.