Is "Oslo" the next Palm hardware design?

[Jason Dunn]

Here's a secret for you: deep down, I'm a hardware geek. Operating systems come and go, but beautiful hardware lasts forever. That's why I couldn't pass up the opportunity to share this photo with you - it looks like a new hardware design coming from Palm, but I don't know that I'd call it beautiful. <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" /> The sender asked to remain anonymous, but it certainly looks legit. No Photoshopped-in screens here. What do you think? Will this be enough to steal Sony's thunder and stave off the Pocket PC?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/avatars/372.gif" /><br /><b>[ORIGINAL IMAGE REMOVED]</b><br /><br />Interesting design they chose - similar to the Sharp Zaurus with it's "hidden" keyboard. With this thing closed, this Palm would certainly be the "shortest" PDA on the market. My bet is that this hardware design will be coming out within 60 days, and it will have OS 5.0 on it. There's a high resolution version in the forums.<br /><br />And here you have the high-res version of the image I was sent. I blurred the serial number off the front, cropped it a little, and brightened it, but otherwise this is unedited.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/avatars/372.gif" /><br /><b>[ORIGINAL IMAGE REMOVED]</b><br /><br /><b>UPDATE:</b> I received a phone call this afternoon from Matthew Archibald, Palm's Director of Global Information Security. We had a nice enough chat, but he asked me to pull the images and turn over the source image with the unedited serial number. They could have had their lawyers call me, so I'm returning the favour by cooperating and pulling the images. I'm not going to turn over the original image with the serial number unless the person who sent it to me tells me I can. Hopefully this won't get TOO ugly, but we'll see...I'll keep you all up to date on how this unfolds.

[Ed Hansberry]

Very cool looks. Notice the joypad instead of the old up/down button. Screen images are still pixelated. For Palm's sake, this had better be just using an old M515 screen for the test mule. If they ship this with what Sony and Compaq are now doing with PDA screens, it is going to be another disappointment, multimedia wise anyway.

Hmmm.... speaker upper right. Headphone jack on top I wonder?

[entropy1980]

Slick I like it.... would I buy it..... no but Pocket PC maunfacturer's better start taking notes.... design matters and all of these Ipaq clones with centered joysticks and lack of innovative design is going to kill when you have Sony with the NR70V and even "king of lack of innovation" Palm coming out with unique designs and takes on hardware. Though Microsoft says software matters at a basic level Hardware does as that is what we interact with first...

[fundmgr90210]

If only that graffiti area were:

1) Soft, or

2) hiding a thumbpad

Does look slick though.

[PPCRules]

Hmmm.... speaker upper right. Headphone jack on top I wonder?
... microphone on bottom I wonder? = phone functionality.

Nice package. As mentioned, this is what we need to get the PPC builders thinking more.

[mookie123]

This is like a stubier version of the E310

[Dave Conger]

That will be one really small device when the graffiti pad is covered! I wonder if they are upping the resolution on their displays any...cause that would probably be a good idea.

[fundmgr90210]

Very cool looks. Notice the joypad instead of the old up/down button. Screen images are still pixelated. For Palm's sake, this had better be just using an old M515 screen for the test mule. If they ship this with what Sony and Compaq are now doing with PDA screens, it is going to be another disappointment, multimedia wise anyway.

Hmmm.... speaker upper right. Headphone jack on top I wonder?

If you look at the text, it looks like 320x320 (defacto standard for OS 5.0). The pictures look "pixelated" I think because it is a thumbnailed or preview mode. The hi-res Sony models do this as well and take a second or two to clear up.

[Foo Fighter]

The screen is definitely hi-res. But I don't quite understand why I would want to slide the graffiti space away like a Zaurus keyboard? It will just leave me with a smaller screen and no way to navigate the OS. :?

[Foo Fighter]

Operating systems come and go, but beautiful hardware lasts forever.

If only that were true...the G4 Cube would have been a success instead of a failure.

I keep waiting for Windows to go - but it still lingers on. :P

[Dave Conger]

It will just leave me with a smaller screen and no way to navigate the OS. :?

If you just had to open your contact list to get a phone number then it might work out alight. I don't quite understand why they don't just go virtual graffiti. The cool Palm companies are all doing it...

[Foo Fighter]

Anyone else notice this "thing" is using an M500 series cradle? :?

[entropy1980]

Anyone else notice this "thing" is using an M500 series cradle? :?

Which reminds me of another crappy Palm feature...actually 2 of them
1. Have to push the button to sync.... yuck this is why I love active sync throw it in the cradle and forget it.

2.It better have USB speed this serial 115k speed majorly sucks and try moving MP3's over it ! Palm better up the cradle speed to true USB at least!!

[LarDude]

The postings on this thread, so far, just demonstrates to me how platform neutral many (most) PPC zealots "really" are. The bias is towards great hardware and OS capabilities, as opposed to some fanatical loyalty to some "religious" zen-like concept.

Regarding the item itself: Good for Palm...and (in the end) Good for PPC. But mostly, good for the rest of us.

[Kirkaiya]

Well, to Foo Fighter (and others) who said it should have a soft-graffitt area instead... I think this is a nice attempt to reduce the size of the unit (when it's collapsed), as opposed to increasing the screen real-estate.

It will like a really wide cellphone-size, i guess. I personally like soft-grafitti areas, but then it wouldn't collapse (since you need access to the buttons/joypad anyway).

I also think the screen is definitely 320x320, and the whole package looks nice.. ya think it's got the ARM 206 MHz in there? I wonder who leaked it, and if it was with a corporate blessing or not (since they asked to remain anonymous, maybe not, but it does seem that this could only help Palm, since Sony already has a "cool" PDA out).

anyway, we'll see.

Kirkaiya

[heov]

Anyone else notice this "thing" is using an M500 series cradle? :?

Actually, I am glad its a m500 cradle... meaning Palm didn't dump the Universal Connector! All palm cradles are the same now due to the universal connector...

[Jason Dunn]

If only that were true...the G4 Cube would have been a success instead of a failure.

The G4 Cube was a very innovative device, but they had a lot of engineering issues with it, and the lack of expandability + high prices really hurt it. I would likely buy one in a heartbeat though, if it had Windows XP on it. :D

[mookie123]

couple of quick observation.

-in such small unit. I doubt it can carry enough battery for CF slot. (Toshiba learn this the hard way)

-no visible side scroll bar. (or any pertruding buttons for that matter, but maybe just the picture angle combined with ultra thin touch buttons)

-speaker is definitely too small.

-how can they reconcile "sledge concept" with the sliding d-pad? CF/PC card sledge would be fairly big and definitely will bump that sliding door. The cradle doesn't seem to support "sledge on while sync either.

-one or two SD slots?

all in all this seems to be a direct competition to E310, instead of the Palm that will squash PPC.

[Ed Hansberry]

I don't quite understand why they don't just go virtual graffiti. The cool Palm companies are all doing it...
Only Handera has done it. The Sony NR-70 has a generated SIP, but that is only so the screen can flip 180 degrees. You cannot hid the SIP to gain screen real estate like you can on the Pocket PC. AFAIK, the SIP only goes away for movies or the picture viewer. It is still taking up space for everything else.

[heov]

I don't quite understand why they don't just go virtual graffiti. The cool Palm companies are all doing it...
Only Handera has done it. The Sony NR-70 has a generated SIP, but that is only so the screen can flip 180 degrees. You cannot hid the SIP to gain screen real estate like you can on the Pocket PC. AFAIK, the SIP only goes away for movies or the picture viewer. It is still taking up space for everything else.

Well, the sony is still better because you can switch to the keyboard without having to sacrifice more screen real estate. Also, I am sure newer program will be able to hide the SIP on the new sony, I mean, its all software...

[ddhsoftware]

I'm just speculating, and horrible at Geography but isn't Ericson or Nokia based near Oslo Norway? If so, perhaps this is their attack at a smart phone.

Just adding fuel to the speculation fires!

[Chris Dunphy]

Just to correct a misconception - the graffiti area on the NR70 can be minimized in applications that support it to enable full screen mode. Action Names, WordSmith, QuickOffice, Bump Attack Pinball, Acid Image, and dozens more support using the full 320x480 display.

[Scott R]

A couple of comments:

1) Not sure if I'm completely convinced that this is a hiding Graffiti area. It could be that it's notched out that way so as to accommodate a clip on thumbboard. My guess is that it is what everyone else here is saying (a sliding area), but I just wanted to throw out another possibility.

2) I agree with the comments about what appears to be a lack of a side scroll wheel. That's too bad.

3) Definitely is 320x320 high-res. I'm glad that they improved upon Sony's version of this, as the font and button outlines have more weight to them.

I got a chance to play with an NR70 the other day (for the first time) at CompUSA and I have to say that I was actually quite impressed with the feel of the thumbboard. The extra empty area below it allowed for me to rest the inside of my palms on it, thus improving usability. I'll add, though, that I much prefer Handera's implementation of a soft Graffiti area for this reason: Both the PPC and the Sony NR70 have an extra toolbar visible below the Graffiti area. This is more wasted space and also can add to errors when entering data if your stylus stroke crosses this toolbar (it won't be recognized). I hope when PalmSource finally gets soft-Graffiti going, they do it right. That said, now that I've seen the 320x480 transreflective screen of the NR70, this is the resolution I want. :)

Scott

[Charles Pickrell]

I think this might be a good gaming device for Palm. a 320x320 display can hold a lot of detailed graphics. Now if Palm will help developers make ARM and not Dragonball based applications.

[PPCRules]

I think this might be a good gaming device for Palm.There you have it. Clip on gaming controls to fit in the notched area.

all in all this seems to be a direct competition to E310, instead of the Palm that will squash PPC.What Palm is going to squash PPC? Does anyone believe that?

[Venturello]

Yes, posting here is biased, SO WHAT?

It is a high res screen, pics are pixelated, I could guess something to do with the device slow processor, maybe?

Its still a palm. No multitasking, no speed, same boring interface... same thing of the last few years IMHO. Same stupid graphiti... etc etc.

Get a real pc in your pocket!! :) And get over palm... I dont get it how palm has so many hard core fanatics... dont they get it?

[dstrauss]

But that's the point - if it were virtual graffiti, you get even more usable screen space in smaller form factor. I sure hope this one sees daylight.

[Foo Fighter]

...I could guess something to do with the device slow processor, maybe?

Slow processor? It's running on a 200mhz ARM.

, no speed,

Slow? You are using a PocketPC and yet you complain about slow speeds on a Palm? This is a joke, right? :roll:

[Foo Fighter]

I wonder why the rest of the name is concealed. What difference does it make?

[Take1]

Why does Palm refuse to take the leap and get a PPC/Clie type screen aspect ratio? Square srceen stink for text, spreadsheet, and anything else where you need to see a lot of inoformation at one time. The Sony NR series is the only color device to do this right.

The design looks pretty cool and I agree that PPCs need to think 'smaller' when designing their next gen. PPCs.

[jeff]

Slow? You are using a PocketPC and yet you complain about slow speeds on a Palm? This is a joke, right? :roll:

It depends on the task. Someone on another site was asking about opening JPGs on a Pocket PC. They were using an M505 and it took about a minute to open a 1024x768 JPG. It took all of 11 seconds to open a 2200x1700 JPG on my Toshiba e570.

On topic, the sliding door looks neat. And if you could switch it with other input options, so much the better. I'm just waiting for a metal Pocket PC with a flip up screen cover.

Jeff

[jdhill]

Jason,

Who asked to have the image removed ???

[wm5051]

Foo,

As mentioned earlier, the serial number is what was blurred. On pre-production devices such as ths one, hardware mfgs usually put large tracking serial numbers on the front of the device. Palm has done this in the past with the models they have offered developers.



In regards to the size argument, I do not think this device will be THAT short compared to the m5XX series. The silkscreen area on an m5XX is about 3/4 of an inch tall. The remaining casing (with the buttons) is a little less than an inch. Judging from the picture, I think the movable portion will only reduce the device by a half inch. Granted that would roughly be a 10% reduction in length, but nothing groundbreaking. This is just a nice exercise in design.

[Jason Dunn]

As you can see by reading the post again, Palm contacted me and asked to have the images removed. I complied because I really don't need to tangle with their lawyers over...a PALM! ;-)

[entropy1980]

Holy Palm Hijack Batman!!! Looks like it's the real deal.... hey wait a second what was Palm doing looking at a Pocket PC site? Maybe they planted it to test reaction?

[bargle]

As you can see by reading the post again, Palm contacted me and asked to have the images removed. I complied because I really don't need to tangle with their lawyers over...a PALM! ;-)

What, altentive sites posted yet?... Wait this isn't /.

Grrrr! :evil: !! Damn thing! Sorry for the multi message.... :oops:

[fducros]

you are speaking about something I cannot see.
Any way to see the image again?

[LarDude]

Holy Crow! :o
Has anyone noticed how much the new "Oslo" Palm device looks like Carl? :o

[mookie123]

http://home.earthlink.net/~ahecht/palmoslo.html

ah yes, let those bastard keep stomping the pictures all across the internet if they want.

Come to think of it, somebody should post the picture on anon site, and tell slashdot.

cheers.

[JonnoB]

I am amazed at how the new Palm device are made to look like humans who promote PDAs even including a talking mouth. Does this mean this device has text to speach... or is it still just blubbering? :wink:

[Janak Parekh]

As you can see by reading the post again, Palm contacted me and asked to have the images removed. I complied because I really don't need to tangle with their lawyers over...a PALM! ;-)
Jason, nice touch using the Foo avatar for the replacement. Decent comeback, if I may say. :D

--bdj

[Ed Hansberry]

Jason, nice touch using the Foo avatar for the replacement. Decent comeback, if I may say. :D
Sheer genius I'd say. :lol:

[Foo Fighter]

Jason, nice touch using the Foo avatar for the replacement.

I thought I was hallucinating for moment when I first revisited the front page and saw my avatar babbling away. 8O

Stupid move by Palm, this little device was gaining some interest among PPC users. Even Jason.

Wonder how close this product is to shipping?

[Dave Conger]

Stupid move by Palm, this little device was gaining some interest among PPC users. Even Jason.

Kind of funny that the Palm sites aren't running the story...

[Newsboy]

Jason, if this pisses 'em off, let me know, and I'll kindly edit the post, but they can chase me down if they want to...anarchy rules!

{Please - They asked it be removed, Jason removed it. Thanks! - Ed Hansberry}

[Jason Dunn]

Jason, nice touch using the Foo avatar for the replacement. Decent comeback, if I may say.

Yeah, it was Ed's idea, so I can't take credit for it. Thought it would be funny. :lol:

[ghoonk]

Man, looking at THAT design, I'd kill the first sonofagun who comes along and shuts the unit while it's open, in my palm. Looks like a veyr painful clip. Dumb design. Personally, they should just kill the input area altogether and user ScreenWrite or some other software that would allow users to input Graffiti directly on screen. That would make for a smaller device, something that would REALLY fit into a shirt pocket (for the record, Jeff Hawkins had his pockets made larger just so he could claim the PalmPilot would fit into a shirt pocket...heh)

[Kre]

Its OK. Nothing to write home about, thats for sure. I do not like the idea of it sliding open and closed just for some stupid Grafitti input panel. If there was a keyboard in there, that might be one thing, like what Sharp did which is really nice and I happen to like, but I say to palm get rid of that stupid input area. They really need to move input to the screen, but of course, they wont. In this case, this design is almost as stupid as Nokias slide down design in one of their latest phone concepts.

Boring.

Cmon, Microsoft, wheres the knockout punch :?:

[Scott R]

A few more thoughts...

1) Kudos to Pocket PC Thoughts for breaking this story. It's a sad day when a Pocket PC fan site breaks the story of a new Palm device. What I find even more sad (pathetic, really) is that as of right now, PalmInfoCenter still hasn't made mention of it (though they've since posted other new news items). My guess would be that either Ed over there has already seen the device (and signed an NDA) or that the Palm lawyers contacted him proactively once the story was published here. Nevertheless, he ought to at least publish a news item stating something like "Pocket PC Thoughts revealed pictures of what appears to be the next Palm device. According to their site, lawyers quickly contacted them to tell them to remove the pictures, etc." To completely ignore the story altogether is pretty pathetic.

2) I thought about this design some more last night and I came up with another theory about that sliding section. I have a strong feeling that I may really be on to it this time. People here are guessing that the sliding area, when closed, shortens the device. I don't think so. What I think is that the sliding area covers up the input area but that the device still stays the same length. Why do such a thing? To improve on one of the major design problems with PPC's when playing games. By putting the joypad at the bottom of the device, it makes it very akward to hold. Take a look at an old-style Gameboy and you'll see that there's a large empty section below the joypad and buttons. This is for your palms to rest on, making the device much more comfortable to hold and play. I think that that's what Palm, Inc. may be doing here with this device. Unfortunately, they did not improve on the other major design problem I've seen with joypads on PPCs (and one of my biggest gripes). They still stuck it in the middle. I'm not sure I buy into the concept that this really even improves things for left-handed people. Left-handers get used to using things in a right-handed world. Buy an X-Box or PS2 and you'll get the joypad on the left and the buttons on the right. IMO, the large decrease in usability for the majority far outweighs the small increase in usability for the minority.

Scott

[Jason Dunn]

Kudos to Pocket PC Thoughts for breaking this story. It's a sad day when a Pocket PC fan site breaks the story of a new Palm device. What I find even more sad (pathetic, really) is that as of right now, PalmInfoCenter still hasn't made mention of it (though they've since posted other new news items).

Thanks. I too thought it was strange, and I even submitted the story to them - it's not like they had to come looking for it. :-)

But, if consistency makes you feel better, a certain Pocket PC site (http://www.davesipaq.com/palm.htm) has once again taken my original photo, edited out my logo, and pretended that he "found" the image. Like clockwork...

[Scott R]

PIC has now finally published the story (about a minute after I posted my message here - or perhaps during the time I was posting it). According to Ed over there, due to connection problems he's been posting via his library's computer. Assuming he's being honest (which I am assuming), kudos to him for his dedication to getting the news out someway, somehow.

OK, all of these kudos are getting sickening now. :)

Scott

[Scott R]

I know I said I'd quit, but I have to give more kudos to PIC for giving credit to PocketPCThoughts.

I'll stop now.

Scott

[PPCRules]

A few more thoughts...

2) ... People here are guessing that the sliding area, when closed, shortens the device. I don't think so. What I think is that the sliding area covers up the input area but that the device still stays the same length. Why do such a thing? ...
I thought where you were heading was to suggest a thumb keyboard under the sliding part. Probably don't need both Graffiti and keyboard at the same time. If that's not it, they should try it. I think Handspring will loose a lot of graffiti fans (loyal current customers) with their new keyboard only approach.

[Foo Fighter]

a certain Pocket PC site (http://www.davesipaq.com/palm.htm) has once again taken my original photo, edited out my logo, and pretended that he "found" the image. Like clockwork...

LOL!!! :lol:

If you adjust the brightness/contrast settings in Photoshop, you can see that he "painted out" the PocketPCthoughts.com moniker. And the blue sky background was priceless! :P

[Scott R]

LOL!!! :lol:

If you adjust the brightness/contrast settings in Photoshop, you can see that he "painted out" the PocketPCthoughts.com moniker. And the blue sky background was priceless! :P
You gotta give him credit for not just getting rid of the PocketPCThoughts name and adding his own. I, too, enjoyed the blue sky background. He also tried fixing the last "o" in "Oslo" though he ended up making it a different size than the original. Jason, any possibility that your source for this image also sent it out to this guy?

Scott

[JonnoB]

I think the picture was removed from that site... ? Maybe some shame setting in?

[Jason Dunn]

I think the picture was removed from that site... ? Maybe some shame setting in?

I don't believe it was ever linked from the front page - the actual HTML page is still live.

UPDATE: Aha, I see what you mean. He pulled it - perhaps he knew the whole community was laughing at him yet again? Could be the bandwidth drain from Slashdot too.

[Jason Dunn]

any possibility that your source for this image also sent it out to this guy?

I suppose ANYTHING is within the realm of possibility, but why go looking for the source image when you can steal one from a competitor? :wink:

[Kirk Stephens]

any possibility that your source for this image also sent it out to this guy?

I suppose ANYTHING is within the realm of possibility, but why go looking for the source image when you can steal one from a competitor? :wink:

OUCH! :twisted:

[sub_tex]

Someone posted a mock up of the Oslo with the device collapsed.

http://raj.phangureh.com/oslo.jpg

Looks a little funky.

[Ed Hansberry]

I know I said I'd quit, but I have to give more kudos to PIC for giving credit to PocketPCThoughts.

I'll stop now.

Scott
I'd like to give Scott kudos for stopping with the kudos. :wink: :lol: :lol:

[Ed Hansberry]

PDABuzz has linked to this site essentially confirming this device. They had an artist rendering from several months ago but never posted it. Seems it does like up and down as most of us suspected - sorry - no keyboard. Sorry no Pocket PC OS too.... :lol:

[ThomasC22]

I'm sorry but your going to get a glimpse of mean Tom here, be forewarned.

The people at Palminfocenter are idiots. I mean really, I go to the trouble of posting Jason's update (About the pictures being removed) and what reply do I get?

"And how do you prove that this chat really took place?"

grrrrrrrr...Anyway, they all seem pretty convinced its fake...

Anyway, I really don't care because fake or not its ugly!

[Kirkaiya]

I would just like to comment on "Davesipaq.com". First of all - who the hel* is this Dave person? I never even heard of that website until you (Jason) pointed out his picture-swiping.

2nd of all - to Dave, whoever you are, if you read this - it's pretty obvious, upon examination of the picture on your site (at /palm.htm) that you swiped it from here (pocketpcthoughts), even without doing the PhotoShop tricks Ed, or Foo (somebody) mentioned, I can see where you "smeared" out the pocketpcthoughts logo. If you're going to take pictures from other sites and post them (and a lot of actually honest sites do), at *least* do the courtesy of quoting your sources, and give credit where it's due. And that's a terrible job trying to fake the "o" at the end of Oslo.

And 3rd - (this is my gratuitious insult area) - your site is ugly! Egad!! And in the source code, it shows you created it with Microsoft FrontPage, the tool of ametuers everywhere (sigh).

And 4th - in the META tags on your site's main page, the "content" is set to, (in this order), "hand, held, palm, pda, pocket, pc, " and so on, eventually naming the blackberry, etc. I could comment on your choice of putting palm before pocket pc (or even ipaq), but I guess that would be even more childish of me than usual ;-)

Finally - I was going to peruse your forums, but you require registration to even read them? Screw that! I can understand requiring registering to post to forums, but not being able to anonymously read content is just bizarre (and stupid).

So - stop the image-rustling (you even "re-branded", like the old cattle rustlers, geesh), and go take some web-design classes....

&lt;/evil kirk mode>

[ThomasC22]

2nd of all - to Dave, whoever you are, if you read this - it's pretty obvious, upon examination of the picture on your site (at /palm.htm) that you swiped it from here (pocketpcthoughts), even without doing the PhotoShop tricks Ed, or Foo (somebody) mentioned, I can see where you "smeared" out the pocketpcthoughts logo. If you're going to take pictures from other sites and post them (and a lot of actually honest sites do), at *least* do the courtesy of quoting your sources, and give credit where it's due. And that's a terrible job trying to fake the "o" at the end of Oslo.


Hey now, give Dave a break, the guys a riot!

Seriously, I used to get all upset every time Dave showed his face but the truth is, after accepting that he's pretty much a Joke to everyone in the know, I actually find it very funny.

I mean, take this for example, all he had to do was admit he got it from here and post it. But instead he spends all this time to doctor the image and put his own logo as if he is so important that ANYONE who would send the photo to Jason Dunn would also send it to him. God, its just so funny :)

Then when he's called on it he removes the news item. It's just Dave, he really, really wants to be important and the worse thing you can do is take him seriously because then you give him his wish.

[Ed Hansberry]

... I go to the trouble of posting Jason's update (About the pictures being removed) and what reply do I get?

"And how do you prove that this chat really took place?"

grrrrrrrr...Anyway, they all seem pretty convinced its fake...
I saw that comment and just about spit out my lunch. How can they prove Ed H at PIC exists. The comment was just about that stupid.

I disagree on the looks though. I think it looks pretty good. I probably wouldn't get a PPC like that, but I could certainly understand why people would.

[Dave Conger]

First of all - who the hel* is this Dave person?

NOT ME! Hehe, I am sure all the Pocket PC Thoughts users realize that this Dave isn't that Dave. I also put up the pic and the story...but site PPC Thoughts in the news story and image!

[Kre]

To me that would be such a pain in the butt, though, to have to open that thing up every time you wanted to write something. Its just another step youd have to take to do something everybody already does so easily on a handheld. Why make it more complicated? They should integrate cellular into that thing and put a backlit keypad or keyboard in there, for instance. But then again, this would mean theyd have to move Grafitti to the screen and that wouldnt leave much room because the screen isnt very big. I just dont like the design at all. Oh well, my opinion.

No kudos here :wink:

[jdhill]

There are way too many Dave's on this site !!!

[Ed Hansberry]

NOT ME! Hehe, I am sure all the Pocket PC Thoughts users realize that this Dave isn't that Dave.
Whoops! We had all been talking about you behind your back! :oops: Wrong Dave. Sorry! :lol: :lol: :wink:

[Jason Dunn]

There are way to many Dave's on this site !!!

Heh. :lol: For the sake of reference, if you ever see anyone in the PDA community talking negatively about a "Dave", they're referring to Dave Ciccione, the "Visionary Founder" (:roll:) of DavesiPAQ.com.

[Dave Conger]

Whoops! We had all been talking about you behind your back! :oops: Wrong Dave. Sorry! :lol: :lol: :wink:

Oh Ed...where are those Buzzers to keep you in line...

[Foo Fighter]

Oh Ed...where are those Buzzers to keep you in line...

I've got my tranquilizer gun handy for such occasions.

[Foo Fighter]

One question that I can't shake is whether or not this device will have MP3 audio support. I would never pay $449 or higher (which is most certainly the price of this handheld) without multimedia functionality.

If I can't listen to MP3s, then I am not buying.

[mookie123]

So they found the original picture, serial number and all.

I think PPC could drop the act as if nobody else can steal the picture, since it seems somebody else has the picture first. Just to be fair.


http://www.tpug.org/news/Palm/palm_new_model.jpg

also, the latest speculation:
it's a OMAP based, with 32Mb memory. Most probably using Sony's produced screen. This could very well be priced about $399-499.

[Jason Dunn]

If I can't...then I am not buying.

You say that a LOT...do you have a text macro set up for that yet? :wink:

[Jason Dunn]

I think PPC could drop the act as if nobody else can steal the picture, since it seems somebody else has the picture first. Just to be fair.

You're right, because technically we're all "stealing" the picture from the person who originally took the image. I think it's more about crediting the source - in my case, I got it from someone who requested to remain anonymous, and so I said that. I didn't claim I took the photo, but I did stamp it with my site name because I knew it was going to be a popular photo. If another site were to do the research necessary to locate the original photo, or to build up the contacts and reputation in the PDA community like I've tried to do in order to get stuff like this in the first place, then they'd be equally within their rights to do the same. But when another site takes a modified photo from my site, edits out my name, and pretends that THEY found it, that's just plain dishonest. Add that apparently his site has also been deleting posts in their forums that were opening questioning those edits, and you end up with an ugly situation all around.

It's a closed issue as far as I'm concerned. After all, it's just a Palm. :wink:

[Foo Fighter]

You say that a LOT...do you have a text macro set up for that yet? :wink:

Cut'n'paste, baby! Cut'n'paste! :)

[Ed Hansberry]

NOT ME! Hehe, I am sure all the Pocket PC Thoughts users realize that this Dave isn't that Dave. I also put up the pic and the story...but site PPC Thoughts in the news story and image!
Well, I notice you posted something at DavesiPAQDictatorship.com that got deleted along with another thread. :roll: This explains the low post count over there. He deletes everything. :?:

[Dave Conger]

Well, I notice you posted something at DavesiPAQDictatorship.com that got deleted along with another thread. :roll: This explains the low post count over there. He deletes everything. :?:

Ed, you are freaking amazing. I did respond to someones post about where "Dictator Dave's" pict was. So I linked to it, but said that the origionals were elsewhere. I guess he was a little mad and deleted not only the thread but my account. :evil: Not like I really care all that much (actually, I don't care at all). PPC Thoughts and the former Buzz are a much more interesting communities.

[Dave Conger]

PDA Buzz has some interesting news about this "product today"...

Remember the Palm "Oslo" prototypes seen all over the web a few weeks ago? These interesting-looking PDAs featured a directional input pad, a strange collapsible Graffiti area, and a hi-res color screen, and everyone assumed this was the new "m900," Palm's next-generation ARM PDA due for release later this year.
Well, reliable sources tell us that the Oslo was definitely a real Palm prototype -- a prototype whose development was cancelled months ago.