Welcome to all PDABuzz Refugees

[Jason Dunn]

<a href="http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=266321">http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=&amp;postid=266321</a><br /><br />Someone pointed me to this thread, and I wanted to address this publicly. No site on the web right now can replace PDABuzz - it was a unique site stamped with the personality of its creator, Wes Salmon. I would humbly submit, however, that our little site here would make a good home for the Pocket PC users among the PDABuzz crew who no longer wish to stay at that site. I'd like to formally extend an invitation to all of those people in the PDABuzz community. Mixing two different communities is always a, shall we say, "challenging" prospect, but I'm sure our common bond of loving our Pocket PCs will keep us together. <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" /> All the other non-Pocket PC users are welcome as well, but I'd like to stress that unlike PDABuzz, Pocket PC Thoughts makes no pretence at being a "PDA Neutral" site. We're pro-Pocket PC all the way, so I trust that none of you will be shocked by our "bias". <br /><br />Our site can't duplicate what you had on PDABuzz, but perhaps something new can be forged that you'll enjoy just as much. It surprised me when I thought about it today, but our forums have only been around for five months. In that sense we're a "new" community, and we have a lot of growing to do. I'd be thrilled to have you along for the ride!<br /><br />As a side note, I've extended an offer to Wes for him to become a guest columnist, giving him a platform to speak from when he feels like it. Due to something nice that happened to him recently, he may not be able to take me up on it, but I'll leave it to him to decide.<br /><br />For all you new users, and perhaps a reminder for you "old" ones, please <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6882">give our guidelines a read.</a> I like to run a relaxed site, but there are certain guidelines I'd ask you to respect. Thank you!

[Malacandra]

...to say Thanks!

I am sure we will never know all of the details, but I simply cannot see any quality in Wes or in the way he ran PDABuzz that could lead to such a decision other than that HHMG didn't want the site his way anymore.

In that case, it can't get better, only worse.

Thanks for taking us in here, Jason!

[Talldog]

Well OK, but who's going to keep EdH on his toes?

[Corn Bread]

Thanks for the invitation Jason. Guess I'll be bunking here. :)

About EdH: Well EdH does have this certain stalker.............. ;)

[scottmag]

Well OK, but who's going to keep EdH on his toes?

I've got my eye on you, EdBot. 8O


Scott

[ThomasC22]

Well OK, but who's going to keep EdH on his toes?

Don't worry Foo Fighter is around here too, so you should be able to get your "PDA Community Celebrity Boxing" fix for some time to come :)

Tom

P.S. For me, it is good to be back (used to post a reasonable amount back in the flat mode "comments" days). I still hate the PocketPCthoughts board though (Come on Jason, everybody loves vBulletin :wink: ). But I'll adjust...

[mookie123]

..........when there is information apocalypse, there is always the last refuge place where any netizens would go to recreate civilizaiton from scratch.

THE Newsgroup.

Ah,..the uncentralized, unadultrated, free bits of information, where anything goes from slight morsel of government consipracy proof, free wheeling opinion, long lost computer language, arcane scientific breakthrough, or just for biggest flame fest possible.

How to turn your PDA to sattelite remote control anybody?

cheers....

[heov]

Personally, I don't look at ppcthoughts as a community... This is a news site, I mean, how many people actually start threads here and how many respond? Lets leave that the Brighthand, and other COMMUNITY websites.

However, I think its great that you can comment on posts, I just think that we should leave this site to quality news and news discussion...

But, its not my site...

[Jason Dunn]

Personally, I don't look at ppcthoughts as a community... This is a news site, I mean, how many people actually start threads here and how many respond? Lets leave that the Brighthand, and other COMMUNITY websites.

Community is what you make it. If you don't want to post or answer posts, that's fine, but since moving to a true discussion forum, this site is slowly evolving into a "real" community site. I'm convinced we can be a community site on the "back end" and still maintain the front-page news & views that people enjoy. Of course, in order to do that, I need your participation, which you're not apparently willing to give. :wink: I'm sure some will agree that there's a certain void in the Pocket PC community space at the moment, and I'd like to fill it. :D

Sorry you don't want to come along! :roll:

[Jonathon Watkins]

Well, count me in Jason. I was lurking a lot here anyway - good to be on board.

Where do I stow my straw and drinking bowl? :D

[Jonathon Watkins]

One thing I just thought of - Perhaps one reason that PDAbuzz had a lot of decent discussions was that there was a "Last 10 Posts" feature near the top of the front page which enabled people to know what the most current discussions were. With the speed of news postings here (which is V.V. good) threads can quickly be hidden.

Perhaps some way of highlighting the forums and current conversations might be a good idea? - Just a thought.

[Xenosaiyan]

Thanks a thousand times over Jason. I was wondering how things would be if a lot of us came over here, but you've welcomed us happily. I had been lurking a bit around here also, but I'll probably be posting quite a bit more now. :D

[ThomasC22]

One thing I just thought of - Perhaps one reason that PDAbuzz had a lot of decent discussions was that there was a "Last 10 Posts" feature near the top of the front page which enabled people to know what the most current discussions were. With the speed of news postings here (which is V.V. good) threads can quickly be hidden.


Actually, one of the biggest problems I've always had with this system is the fact that I can't get it to E-Mail me when there has been an update to a discussion I'm involved in.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems you can only get updates if you started the thread.

[Xenosaiyan]

One thing I just thought of - Perhaps one reason that PDAbuzz had a lot of decent discussions was that there was a "Last 10 Posts" feature near the top of the front page which enabled people to know what the most current discussions were. With the speed of news postings here (which is V.V. good) threads can quickly be hidden.


Actually, one of the biggest problems I've always had with this system is the fact that I can't get it to E-Mail me when there has been an update to a discussion I'm involved in.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems you can only get updates if you started the thread.It's in the Profile settings under Preferences, callled "Always notify me of replies". :)

[Jonathon Watkins]

Well, it notified me that you had posted ThomasC22 :)

How does it feel to be back in the single digits of post again? :wink:

[ThomasC22]

Well, it notified me that you had posted :)

Yeah, I had checked yes on the profile function but it wasn't working. But it did notify me about the replies here (although it still isn't working for me in all the thread yet). Maybe there's just a really big time delay...

[ThomasC22]

How does it feel to be back in the single digits of post again? :wink:

Actually, I'm not anymore :) (I do work fast)

But yeah, it is kind of sad, I was getting proud of my post number... but, oh well, I guess we'll both have to work harder over here

btw - whats with the new avatar, become fond of Gateway have you?

[Xenosaiyan]

But yeah, it is kind of sad, I was getting proud of my post number... but, oh well, I guess we'll both have to work harder over hereWell, it it's any consolation to you, I had EXACTLY 1100 posts when I got the news that Wes got the boot. I was a little excited that I was hitting 1100, but as soon as I made my 1100th post(which was asking for more reviews on PDABuzz responding to the poll :roll: ), I went to the front page to find the bad news. Great way to ruin a mini-celebration.

[Hyperluminal]

Well, my 150th post was on the Thank You, Wes thread- which wasn't how I would have wanted to use it.

By the way, it was hard enough losing more than half of my posts when Wes made the OT posts not count. At least then I had about 125, now I have 2!

[vicott]

i juz joined PDABuzz & was abt to begin liking their forums & now this happens to them. very sad :(

anyway, i kinda agree that it's not easy to mix the Pocket PC community with the Palm community. it is indead quite "challenging".
anyway, this place looks quite gd for a Pocket PC users. sure hope to see more hot news & all the best to this site!!!! :D

now, i've to make a daily effort to check out the news & forums on this site.
btw, if u guys r also looking for more Pocket PC sites to visit, do check out PPCSG.com :wink:

[JackyTheBeaver]

Are all the PDAbuzz royalists here yet? :)

[Tierran]

Thanks Jason for the invite. I'm glad to see so many familiar faces (well names anyway ;) ) around here. And I do love my PPC so I won't mind a PPC slant. I guess all the flame wars here are inter platform? ;)

[Jonathon Watkins]

ThomasC22 wrotebtw - whats with the new avatar, become fond of Gateway have you?

Not quite :) I always build my own PCs. I just liked the cow picture and it was was of my first avatars at daBuzz.
Back to the begining I guess.

[Take1]

I love the last 10 post thing at PDABuzz. It would make a great addition to this site.

This site is the best there is for PPC related stuff and it's the one I ALWAYS check for the latest news. PDABuzz was the place you went to see how Palm folk (predictably) took the news... good or bad. The rivalry at PDABuzz never got too hostile and the PDA debates were some of the best on the net.

Keep up the good work Jason and PLEASE don't sell the site to some flake outfit like HHCM!!!!

[Take1]

Not quite :) I always build my own PCs.
Back to the begining I guess.[/quote]

Me too. Bought a Compaq Presario in 1996 and learned how to build them ever since vowing never to buy another P.O.S. proprietary system again.

[ThomasC22]

OK, maybe its me, and maybe I'm just a bad person or something...that being said, to anyone still reading the "Thank You Wes" thread at PDABuzz: Does anyone else want to hit DMunz?

I mean, I fell a little bad about it because I think he's just trying to be rational (note I don't think he is being rational but I think he thinks this is the way to do it). But the feeling is there none the less.

[Jason Dunn]

I love the last 10 post thing at PDABuzz. It would make a great addition to this site.

I'm certainly interested in enhancing the site, but I'm curious: would this feature be different than the "VIEW POSTS SINCE LAST VISIT" in the upper-right corner? If so, how?

[Xenosaiyan]

The way the "Last 10 Posts" feature was set up at PDABuzz was different in that it was on the front page right with all the news, and it gave easy access to recent posts right from the get-go, without having to even hit the discussion forums button. Lazy of us, no? You should take a look there sometime; it would be a good, fairly simple enhancement to the site.

[Tierran]

Actually that view posts since last visit isn't too bad either, but you may want to inquire about the last 10 feature...it was really nice :)

[Numsquat]

Thanks for the welcome Jason :D . I'm looking forward to hanging around here. Agreeing on the last ten post item. Not that the ex'buzzers want to take over this site or anything 8) . (Do like having the smiles again though, requires less access to my memory banks)

[Jason Dunn]

The way the "Last 10 Posts" feature was set up at PDABuzz was different in that it was on the front page right with all the news, and it gave easy access to recent posts right from the get-go, without having to even hit the discussion forums button. Lazy of us, no? You should take a look there sometime; it would be a good, fairly simple enhancement to the site.

Thanks for explaining it to me. The problem I think we might run into, however, is having that list be nothing more than a repeat of what's on the front page. :-) Because the front-page posts are actually forum posts, there might be some repitition. I'll keep it in mind though - there might be a way we could do it.

[Jonathon Watkins]

I know what you mean ThomasC22

OK, maybe its me, and maybe I'm just a bad person or something...that being said, to anyone still reading the "Thank You Wes" thread at PDABuzz: Does anyone else want to hit DMunz?


He is trying to to do what he thinks is best. But he really needs to know that the exit is that way. :arrow:

With the loss of most of the experienced members, why would anyone want to visit PDABuzz? I did not go there for the news! I always came here for that. The palm people may stay (and they seeem to have been quite quiet about this really), but if the forum members go, there is no point in staying.

[Numsquat]

"While I can respect the opinions of those who are leaving in protest, I can't help but think that it's all a little self-serving. I suspect that there is a very vocal minority here who are leaving. Unfortunately, this vocal minority is also taking a significant portion of the knowledge base."

Sounds a little like Iambic in response to the "palm" community with the Datebk4 contreversy. And not all "Palm" people are quiet about the situation. Of course, I'm not a palmer, just swing both ways;).

[Jonathon Watkins]

Fair enough Numsquat - I suppose I recognise more of the PPC people. :? Indeed the vocal minority were the ones that posted most of the material.

I realy like the "View posts since last visit" since I used it. I didn't know it was there. Very nice and I will use it more in the future. However I would still like having the last 30 posts on the front page here! :wink:

Of course, I'm not a palmer, just swing both ways;).

Indeed 8), I own a IIIC and a Psion Revo and Sienna. I aim to get a LOOX very soon, so I can really feel at home here. I just was not inspired by the first wave of PPC devices. Here's hoping the LOOX will be reviewed soon with top marks.

[dcharles18]

Thank you Jason for welcoming all of us Buzzers over here. I have always made thoughts my first stop for news everyday, but went to Buzz for the community. Now I will hopefully have the best of both worlds. (Although it was interesting to see what was new with non-CE devices too)

Thanks also for re-activating my account here for me, I registered back in February but never posted :oops:

[Ed Hansberry]

Well OK, but who's going to keep EdH on his toes?
Oh don't worry. Foo posts here. :lol:

[Ed Hansberry]

But yeah, it is kind of sad, I was getting proud of my post number... but, oh well, I guess we'll both have to work harder over hereWell, it it's any consolation to you, I had EXACTLY 1100 posts when I got the news that Wes got the boot. I was a little excited that I was hitting 1100, but as soon as I made my 1100th post(which was asking for more reviews on PDABuzz responding to the poll :roll: ), I went to the front page to find the bad news. Great way to ruin a mini-celebration.
Agreed. I was at the 1950 range and expected to get to 2,000 this month. Well, unless those three "goodbye" threads really drag on, it won't be happening. Wes ran a fantastic site. I have no plans though to support a site with my eyeballs and purchases of software via their Handango links a site that boots the creator and replaces it was three Palm editors. :roll:

Tickeled pink to see so many Buzzer's here though. :D

[dcharles18]

I noticed in the goodbye threads over at the Buzz that people suggested one site or another, and alot of us sort of decided to come over here and that was it. But amongst the Palm users it seems to be becoming a series of plugs by everyone under the sun for their own personal sites. What's with that? :?:

[Thinkingmandavid]

HI, it is good to come over here from PDABuzz and it sounds to me that the welcome is here for us.
The only problem I have had is that I was not able to use my original user name "Thinkingman", so now I have gone to Thinkingmandavid. IKnow I know, not much of a difference but at PDABuzz I was Thinkingman. I am just trying to keep it simple and to the point.
Does anyone know who I am supposed to talk to about this?

[Ed Hansberry]

I know, not much of a difference but at PDABuzz I was Thinkingman. I am just trying to keep it simple and to the point.
Does anyone know who I am supposed to talk to about this?

I think you have already registered David. Check your private messages.

[ThomasC22]

Thanks for explaining it to me. The problem I think we might run into, however, is having that list be nothing more than a repeat of what's on the front page. :-) Because the front-page posts are actually forum posts, there might be some repitition. I'll keep it in mind though - there might be a way we could do it.

Just a note, the advantage to the "last ten posts" is that if a discussion has gotten really interesting and is still active it is accessible to lazy people like me on the front page (unlike now where if the news item has scrolled off it disappears from the front).

BTW, on another issue, is it possible to display how many times the thread has been viewed here. I always found that interesting.

The palm people may stay (and they seeem to have been quite quiet about this really), but if the forum members go, there is no point in staying.

Yes, I feel sorry for the Palm people, there really isn't any alternative for them (other than Brighthand and many people won't go back there because of the mess from before). Palminfocenter is good but let me tell you, the anonymous posting over there makes posting simply not worth it.

Note to webmasters with discussion boards, the quickist way to have your board go down the tubes is to allow anonymous posting.

Fair enough Numsquat - I suppose I recognise more of the PPC people. :? Indeed the vocal minority were the ones that posted most of the material.


Just so you don't think badly of Numsquat, you do realize he was quoting someone from PDABuzz at the top of his message right?

[Jonathon Watkins]

Thanks for explaining it to me. The problem I think
Just a note, the advantage to the "last ten posts" is that if a discussion has gotten really interesting and is still active it is accessible to lazy people like me on the front page (unlike now where if the news item has scrolled off it disappears from the front).

I would prefer to see the last 30 or so posts. What I have been doing for the past few months is to kick off the day by checking here for PDA news, then checking the front page of PDABuzz to see if there was any new news, and Wes's take on it. Then I would check the top 10 posts and read one or two if they looked interesting, or possibly join in the conversation. I would only go into the 'Forums' if I wanted to find or ask something in particular. I.e. for community it is good to see on the front page what is going on - rather than have to hunt for it. (OK, clicking on the 'Forums' button and then the 'View posts since last visit' does not seem like much - but it's 2 clicks away from the front page and most people will not go there unless they need to get something. Having the last few posts on the front page increases the 'stickiness' of the site, makes it easier to join in and see what is going on and increases the community feel.

BTW, on another issue, is it possible to display how many times the thread has been viewed here. I always found that interesting.

Yes, seeing how many people have read a thread is really eye opening. It's very interesting how many lurkers are hanging around. 8)

Just so you don't think badly of Numsquat, you do realize he was quoting someone from PDABuzz at the top of his message right?

Yes, I did realise that as I was replying to his post. Numsaquat - you really need to use the excellent 'quote' facility here. :D

(And I really like having this selection of smilies ready to hand - very useful :mrgreen:

[Ed Hansberry]

Thanks for explaining it to me. The problem I think we might run into, however, is having that list be nothing more than a repeat of what's on the front page. :-) Because the front-page posts are actually forum posts, there might be some repitition. I'll keep it in mind though - there might be a way we could do it.

Just a note, the advantage to the "last ten posts" is that if a discussion has gotten really interesting and is still active it is accessible to lazy people like me on the front page (unlike now where if the news item has scrolled off it disappears from the front).
I agree. A "last ten post" feature would be killer. It monitors much more than the front page posts. It lets you see quickly what is going on in the othe forums, as well as what posts are still active days or even weeks after they have moved to the archive.

I have no clue how hard it would be to implement though.

[web docta]

Greetings everyone....another Buzz refugee here! :)
If I may make a suggestion, how about adding an Audiovox/Toshiba section to the Hardware Discussion forum. There are a lot of Maestro/Toshiba users coming here who would find that helpful, including myself.

[Ivan]

I'm sure some will agree that there's a certain void in the Pocket PC community space at the moment, and I'd like to fill it. :D


Well Jason... according to some other site who shall remain nameless (I'll give you a hint, it starts with a "D" and ends with "avescompaqipaq" :wink: ) it is quite "shocking" that you are "begging" for ex-buzzers to come to this site.

I guess that site wants to fill the void, but without resorting to such "shocking" tactics... :roll:

We'll miss Wes and this site more than fills the void... hear that Dave???

[Jonathon Watkins]

The censoring by the HHMG wasps has begun: http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?threadid=40554

Oh - and Wes's post is NO LONGER on the front page :evil:

Please forgive this cross-post - last time I promise.

[sub_tex]

Yes, I feel sorry for the Palm people, there really isn't any alternative for them (other than Brighthand and many people won't go back there because of the mess from before). Palminfocenter is good but let me tell you, the anonymous posting over there makes posting simply not worth it.

Note to webmasters with discussion boards, the quickist way to have your board go down the tubes is to allow anonymous posting.

Tell me about it. As a Palm user myself, i love Palminfocenter for the news. But man oh man do i hate even trying to read the news posts. It kills me. About a 90-1 ratio of idiotic childish posts to actual insightful normal debates.

I recently just posted there on the news story that told about Wes leaving PDABuzz and sure enough, next post after me was someone discussing how PPC biased PDB was, etc.

Sad, really.

The thing is, though, i loved PDABuzz for all of the info that got covered. If i had felt PDB was a PPC only site i don't think i would have been posting much (not much to contribute). But there was general news there too, with Symbian, Linux, etc.

I hate to think all of the established buzzers will only be on this site. Didn't you guys enjoy the general pda news as well?

I know i can't go on just Palm news, can you stick to just PPC news here?

Either way, i guess i'll have be posting here as well since i love to keep up on all the platforms, but i miss the general pda feel that pdabuzz had.

Pda Avenue seems to be that way, but i hate the layout which may make me not even go there. At least the forums there look like these...

:(

[ThomasC22]

On a side note, what I really do like about this board (that wasn't true of PDABuzz) is that when you quote someone, even if they edit their message, the original message stays in the quote.

That would have helped me ALOT over at da' buzz :)

[spg]

Thanks for explaining it to me. The problem I think we might run into, however, is having that list be nothing more than a repeat of what's on the front page. :-) Because the front-page posts are actually forum posts, there might be some repitition. I'll keep it in mind though - there might be a way we could do it.

Just a note, the advantage to the "last ten posts" is that if a discussion has gotten really interesting and is still active it is accessible to lazy people like me on the front page (unlike now where if the news item has scrolled off it disappears from the front).
I agree. A "last ten post" feature would be killer. It monitors much more than the front page posts. It lets you see quickly what is going on in the othe forums, as well as what posts are still active days or even weeks after they have moved to the archive.

I have no clue how hard it would be to implement though.

I implemented a feature on my site just recently exactly like this. It wasn't very hard to do. Although I did do it in ASP instead of PHP.

And to all PDABuzz refugees (as Jason called you) welcome to thoughts. I visited PDABuzz daily but didn't post that much over there. I have been in the top 5 posters over here from the begining but with you PDABuzzers here now I will have to work to keep that up :-). Wes ran a great site, and I personally will miss his insight a whole lot. :-(

[en passant]

I miss the Buzz's "last 10 posts" feature too, it was one of my favorite things about the Buzz's homepage for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. While Jason and co are deciding if/how to implement a similar feature here, how about putting the "view posts since last visit" link directly on the front page in the top bar? That would make it one click/page-load away instead of two. I know, lazy & impatient, ain't I ;)

Thanks for all the hard work!

[Wadester]

PDABuzz.com was my first PDA Forum site and one of the reasons I actually went out and bought one (good reviews). Over the past year, it was the first site I would visit each and every (week)day -- sometimes more than once. After reading the many posts over the past week, I see no reason to visit anymore.

PocketPC Thoughts was the second site to visit in my Favorites list. Now, it's the first!

[Jonathon Watkins]

8O
This is either very funny, or very sad - or probably both,. Check out:
http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=5e863355c622fdf07aa279244dcdec5b&threadid=40561

I have 301 posts on PDABuzz - & I will add no more. :cry:

Handheld Helpers - Great accessories for your Palm OS or Pocket PC handheld
Use your handheld PC for even a short time and you'll find there's a whole universe of accessories out there to tempt you. Want to finish a business report on the plane? A keyboard is almost essential. Taking an extended trip? Battery chargers keep your handheld running. Need to hand tomorrow's agenda to a co-worker? Pack a printer. And when you feel like stepping out in a big way, there are GPS receivers, digital cameras, music players and video projection doo-dads that can transform your handheld into a completely different animal.

There are so many gadgets, in fact, we can't possibly write about all of them in just a few pages. So what's an editor to do? Pick the most exciting ones in each category and blast their stats at you. We also take a slightly harder look at one signature product in each group. Armed with this guide, you should be able to find all the essentials for your PDA. But be warned: accessory shopping is an addiction not easily cured. Heck, maybe that explains the stack of GPS receivers in our closet.
[/quote]

[spg]

8O
This is either very funny, or very sad - or probably both,. Check out:
http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=5e863355c622fdf07aa279244dcdec5b&threadid=40561

I have 301 posts on PDABuzz - & I will add no more. :cry:

Pitiful isn't it? I want to know what they have been drinking over at HHMG that makes them think that those type of things will interest anybody. Why don't they just make the front page a whole bunch of ads, that would be better than this. Uggh! :x

[PPCRules]

8O
This is either very funny, or very sad - or probably both,. Check out:
http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?s=5e863355c622fdf07aa279244dcdec5b&threadid=40561

... video projection doo-dads that can transform your handheld into a completely different animal.

doo-dads? completely different animal?
Now that sounds like the coverage I want to read.

[spg]

doo-dads? completely different animal?
Now that sounds like the coverage I want to read.
&lt;you can't be serious>Yeah, lets all get together and maybe we could create a zoo of PDAs that had all sorts of doo-dads that you could attach to them and then move them from cage to cage depending on what they are at the moment.&lt;/we are dead serious>

[Malacandra]

:roll:

Sigh.


Sigh.

Sigh.

Yawn.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Yawn.

Sigh.

Disconnect.

[Jonathon Watkins]

doo-dads? completely different animal?
Now that sounds like the coverage I want to read.

No - the doo-dads are the people who now run PDABuzz :evil:

[dcharles18]

No - the doo-dads are the people who now run PDABuzz :evil:

I think you mean dumb-dumbs :lol:

[spg]

No - the doo-dads are the people who now run PDABuzz :evil:

I think you mean dumb-dumbs :lol:

:lol: Good one!

[Jason Dunn]

I was pretty shocked to learn that HHMG screwed Brighthand as well (http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54758&perpage=15&pagenumber=2) - ouch! These guys sorta...suck. :?

[spg]

I was pretty shocked to learn that HHMG screwed Brighthand as well (http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54758&perpage=15&pagenumber=2) - ouch! These guys sorta...suck. :?
Uggh! This is totally outrageous. I can't believe that they would do things like that. It is sad for the whole PDA industry when you have a company doing things like that. :cry:

[dcharles18]

:lol: Good one!

he he :lol:

[Dave Conger]

I can't believe that they would do things like that.

Why? They are a business. They were trying to be tacticle and gaining a piece of the PDA new market and just didn't realize that it would backfire so bad. It is all about money to companies, which is why so many people flock to the former PDABuzz, PPC Thoughts, Brighthand, and others.

[spg]

I can't believe that they would do things like that.

Why? They are a business. They were trying to be tacticle and gaining a piece of the PDA new market and just didn't realize that it would backfire so bad. It is all about money to companies, which is why so many people flock to the former PDABuzz, PPC Thoughts, Brighthand, and others.
True, but there is such a thing called integrity. Unfortunately, we are seeing less and less of it in the business world these days. I'll tell you one thing though; I would never run a business that way. Honesty IS the best policy in every situation.

[Janak Parekh]

Why? They are a business.
pdadave, I think spg is referring to the BH-HHMG fun. There, they have apparently not paid overdue bills to Steve (for advertising revenue) outright. PDABuzz is a totally different beast -- their option (although integrity may be an issue).

--bdj

[Jonathon Watkins]

Well either way they are not getting my business & I would like to see them avoided by the people I know - If I can possibly help it.

Honesty & integrity are hot topics at the moment in business..........

[Jazper]

I can't believe that they would do things like that.

Why? They are a business. They were trying to be tacticle and gaining a piece of the PDA new market and just didn't realize that it would backfire so bad. It is all about money to companies, which is why so many people flock to the former PDABuzz, PPC Thoughts, Brighthand, and others.
True, but there is such a thing called integrity. Unfortunately, we are seeing less and less of it in the business world these days. I'll tell you one thing though; I would never run a business that way. Honesty IS the best policy in every situation.

Then you'd fail .. because only those who are ass*oles actually succeed.. which sucks.. but is the way the world works

[spg]

True, but there is such a thing called integrity. Unfortunately, we are seeing less and less of it in the business world these days. I'll tell you one thing though; I would never run a business that way. Honesty IS the best policy in every situation.

Then you'd fail .. because only those who are ass*oles actually succeed.. which sucks.. but is the way the world works
Well I would rather fail and keep my integrity, than succed and cheat a whole bunch of people. However, most customers look for companies they can trust. I think that if companies are honest, then the customers will find them. If they aren't honest and are exposed like HHMG was (the Brighthand incident), customers will run away from them fast. This is happening with HHMG right now, just read all the posts in this thread. I'm going to stick to honesty, the best policy.

[Jonathon Watkins]

. I'm going to stick to honesty, the best policy.

There's a reason that this is a cliche - because it is true :D

Short term, you can get away with being dishonest, but Long term - honesty is the best way.

[Jason Dunn]

Then you'd fail .. because only those who are ass*oles actually succeed.. which sucks.. but is the way the world works

Success is a matter of perspective. If someone can live their life with integrity & honestly, then they have succeeded in their own eyes.

[Ed Hansberry]

Then you'd fail .. because only those who are ass*oles actually succeed.. which sucks.. but is the way the world works
Success is a matter of perspective. If someone can live their life with integrity & honestly, then they have succeeded in their own eyes.
Others recognize that too. This thread is a perfect example of that. Wes, from what we all saw as 'Buzzers, has integrity and is honest, and an unqualified success.

HHMG on the other hand will be able to save about $50 in a year or so when they no longer have to bother renewing the pdabuzz.com domain name as it spirals down the toilet. :x