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Jason Dunn
01-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Remember how I went ahead and ordered the Zen Vision:W (http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/index.php?topic_id=11606), despite what most people said in the discussion about it me not needing it? Well, I've decided to send it back to Dell (http://www.jasondunn.com/returning-products-to-dell-i-discovered-something-new-139) - not because I don't need a device like that; rather, I've found the Zen Vision:W to be less than impressive in person. It's hard to sum up why I don't like it as much as I thought I would, but I think it comes down to the fact that the engineering on it just isn't that impressive.

http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/images/creative-sad-panda-jan18.jpg
Get it? The sad panda versus Creative's happy panda? (http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=15752)

The 30 GB Archos 604 (http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_604/tech_specs.html?country=global&lang=en) is only 17mm thick, while the 30 GB Zen Vision:W is 22mm thick. That's 30% thicker for a device with the same sized screen and hard drive. The 60 GB Zen Vision:W is 26.4mm thick, which is just monstrous. I found that when I took it with me to CES, it was just too big. It doesn't include a kick-stand, so I had to hold it up to my face the whole time I was watching videos on it. The screen was great, ripped DVDs looked impressive, but the control pad felt cheap and was irritating to use after a while. Because I already have a great solution (http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,11492) for storing photos while travelling, I don't need the built-in CF card slot.

The Archos units look good, but the company wasn't at CES so I wasn't able to make any contacts - and they've refused to send us review units in the past. I've got my eye on the Sandisk Pocket Video Player (http://tinyurl.com/ya5bxp) (what an uninspired product name!) for a few reasons: it's only 16.9mm thick, has a 4" screen, is Flash-based (better battery life), has a built-in speaker, is PlaysForSure so should sync my Media Center TV shows, and has an SD card slot for memory expansion. Sure, it's only got 8 GB of storage space (12 GB if I slap a 4 GB SD card in there, which I will) but that's enough space for a dozen TV shows or movies with enough space left over for some photos and music. I really like the SD card slot, because you can bet we'll see 6 GB or 8 GB SD cards out this year - and the player can expand storage easily. It sounds like a good fit for my needs - thin, big screen - but we'll see how it measures up when I review it (which won't be for a few months since the Pocket Video Player isn't available yet).

Macguy59
01-19-2007, 10:37 PM
I have to ask . . . why this instead of a Zune? Other than needing a headset shouldn't it handle those tasks?

Vincent Ferrari
01-20-2007, 12:42 AM
Ahem... Too big?

Ahem... :lol:

Macguy59
01-20-2007, 12:44 AM
Ahem... Too big?

Ahem... :lol:

You are SO in trouble in now :lol:

Vincent Ferrari
01-20-2007, 12:46 AM
HEHEHEHEHE

Hey... A certain person (cough Jason cough) got annoyed with me for saying it was too big...

I love Jason but I've earned at least a small "I told ya so" here... :rock on dude!:

Jason Dunn
01-20-2007, 01:06 AM
I have to ask . . . why this instead of a Zune? Other than needing a headset shouldn't it handle those tasks?

From an earlier post:

"What about the Zune you might ask? The 3 inch screen is a decent size, but their idiotic software resizes images to 640 x 480 then scales it to 50% on the screen resulting in poor-quality images. Yes, I can re-size the images myself, but it's an added hassle. The the limited codec support on the Zune makes it a poor choice for many types of video content. I remain a big fan of my Zen Vision:M, so I'm leaning toward the Zen Vision:W. This isn't one of those "must have" purchases, it's one of those "I'd like to have one of these" purchases - I've wanted a nice, big-screen media player for a couple of years now, but I can't seem to decide which one is a better choice - the Zen Vision or the Zen Vision:W."

Further, I really want something with built-in speakers...

Jason Dunn
01-20-2007, 01:08 AM
Hey... A certain person (cough Jason cough) got annoyed with me for saying it was too big...

Was it over IM or in the thread? Because I don't see you saying that anywhere...

http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11570&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

No matter. I didn't think it was too big overall just too THICK - guess I should have carved a life-size replica out of butter or something. :lol:

ctmagnus
01-20-2007, 06:27 AM
OT: If you hold your head just right, the angel over the panda's head in Creative's image (http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=15752) looks like a fish. :P

ghostppc
01-21-2007, 07:00 AM
Being burned as an early adopter of Archos products, I tend to stay away from them. Though their new players look very sleek, their early mp3 jukebox players (sleek in the beginning) seemed to be riddled with problems after a few monhts of use. The Sandisk PVP looks great however. I saw it on their website some time ago and was also disappointed that it won't be available for awhile. It looked like the perfect Ipod killer. I wound up settling for their smaller Sandisk E280 player which is great for the features in such a small package! Uses micro sd cards which hopefully will break the 2 gig barrier soon :evil: I'll just have to wait for Jason's review of it's big brother or one of his giveaways from his toy box full of gadgets!

jlp
01-22-2007, 05:28 AM
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I really like the SD card slot, because you can bet we'll see 6 GB or 8 GB SD cards out this year - and the player can expand storage easily.

...

8GB SD cards have been available since well over 6 months now. I saw some on ebay around last June already.

I just did a quick search on ebay now which just returned 22 results including some 4 GB (Kingston & ADATA) and 8 GB (ADATA) SDHC cards, like these "A-DATA Super SDHC 2.0 memory card" (e.g. item 320072047933; sorry no direct link as my account is in French)

Great to see Sandisk doing the right move to support standard slots vs sub-standard ones. (http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10533&highlight=substandard)