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Jason Dunn
10-03-2005, 05:00 PM
There are some people that know a great deal about car audio – I'm not one of them. But what I do know is that the vast majority of factory car decks are incapable of playing anything other than regular CDs. When I buy a CD, I rip it, and it goes onto the CD rack never to be touched again (for the most part). Once I have the music in digital format, I prefer to keep it that way. Over the years I've experimented with various solutions for getting my digital audio pumping through my car speaker system – a long drive without the tunes is just painful. <br /><br />In my previous car, I had a deck installed that featured a front 3.5mm audio input jack, which allowed me to run a cable from my Pocket PC to the stereo. It was a simple solution, but still required two things: a cable, and a device for playback. I've also tried several wireless radio transmitters, which worked with any deck, but that solution still required a playback device and the wireless transmitter itself. That means you need to think about recharging the devices before using them, and remembering to bring them with you. I wanted something even more straightforward, so in 2003 I began looking at car decks capable of playing variable bit rate Windows Media 9 WMA files – the format I was ripping in. I was surprised at the number of decks that claimed WMA compatibility, but choked on the test CD I had burned. Frustrated, I gave up.<!><br /><br />In 2004 after buying a new car, I decided to see if things had gotten any better – lucky for me, they had. My test CD worked in most of the decks I tried, and after some comparisons between Sony, Pioneer, and Panasonic decks, I decided upon the Panasonic CQ-C8400U. I wasn't going to replace the speakers in my Mazda Protιgι 5 until after I had heard what they were capable of with a new deck driving them – the Panasonic offers a 60 x 4 watt solution, so there was decent headroom for future expansion. The deck itself is nicely designed, with a large dot-matrix display. The animation mode with zooming plans and racing cars is impressive at first, but not surprisingly it's a gimmick that I grew tired of fairly quickly. What's more useful is the text display that gives you the artist and song information from MP3 and WMA files. Unfortunately, it reads this data from the file information, not the ID3 meta tags. This means that since I have my folders named "Artist – Album" and the song titles "(Artist) – Song", I end up with a lot of redundant information on the display and significant scrolling before I can see the information I want. The screen has three position modes for those of you that like that sort of thing, and the faceplate comes off for taking it with you. Strangely enough, I've never figured out how to turn it completely off. I haven't checked the manual, but no amount of pressing and holding on various buttons has allows me to turn the entire deck off. I've opted to switch it to a blank input source instead.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/images/panasonic-mp3wmaplayer-carstereo-big.JPG"><img src="http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/images/panasonic-mp3wmaplayer-carstereo.jpg" /></a><br /><i>Figure 1: The Panasonic CQ-C8400U. Click for a full-sized image (2.1 MB)</i><br /><br />The Panasonic CQ-C8400U is capable of playing any audio file I throw at it – from 64 KBPS WMA to 256 KBPS MP3, and had no trouble with variable bit rate songs. What it does have trouble with though is certain brands of CDs and/or the speed at which the CD is burned. If faced with a disc it cannot read properly, sometimes it will start playing a song, they stop halfway through, and other times it won't play at all. I did a fair amount of testing, and it seemed to have trouble with a generic brand of CDs that I was using. When I switched to Ritek CDs, I had no problems. It also worked well with the Verbatim LightScribe CDs.<br /><br />Overall, I'm satisfied with this purchase. It would be great to see a version of this deck that could read DVD discs – because I rip at a high bit rate, I can typically only fit six to eight albums on a single CD, so a DVD would allow me to carry more music. One thing I enjoy doing is burning a CD with as many albums as I can fit, then using either my LightScribe CD burner or my Epson printer to burn images of the album covers onto the front of the disc. This makes for a highly personalized disc that shows what albums are on the disc. If you like to keep your CDs safe at home, while having the ability to carry more music per disc, this is a good solution.<br /><br /><i>Jason Dunn owns and operates <a href="http://www.thoughtsmedia.com">Thoughts Media Inc.</a>, a company dedicated to creating the best in online communities. He enjoys mobile devices, digital media content creation/editing, and pretty much all technology. He lives in Alberta, Canada.</i>

bryhawks
10-04-2005, 07:23 AM
Thanks for the update, Jason. I read about your frustration with VBR WMA9 playback (or lack thereof) last year, and had the same thoughts &amp; wants (it's nice to know one's not alone). It's good to hear that there are decks now that can do the above. I'm curious to hear your rational for the Panasonic - I've always liked Pioneer decks. And I HATE the eye-candy everyone builds into car decks now, but I digress...

I want to do the same thing you do - rip a high-bit-rate VBR WMA9 and stuff tons onto a DVD-data disk. Why the heck won't anything play it? Granted, I haven't looked around much, but last year when I did, I got the equivalent of 'huh?'. Hello, car-audio people! :roll: Everyone and their mother (literally) has a DVD burner now, and we want a standard way we can take a lot of music into the car without buying a proprietary removable HD chassis. Or are Jason and I the only two left in North America that don't own iPods? I've got an iPAQ and a Tablet PC with lots of music, and the 3.5mm input is still way too rare. But DVD WMA playback would be the cats' meow - burn 'em and leave 'em in the car, end of story.

* Bryan steps gently off his soapbox and sidles back into the seething crowd...

Ivan
10-04-2005, 02:07 PM
Do you mean WMA playback from DVDs like these decks do?

Alpine DVA-9860:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mneAQE5oPPi/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=168550&amp;I=500DVA9860

More affordable JVC KD-DV5100:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mneAQE5oPPi/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=168550&amp;I=257KDDV510

I myself own a Pioneer deck that plays WMA/MP3 off of CD-R's, and am thinking of buying either of these two. Although the specs do not indicate that these radios play WMA/MP3's off a DVD, read the reviews were users confirm that this can be done with these.

Regards.

Jason Dunn
10-04-2005, 04:31 PM
I'm curious to hear your rational for the Panasonic - I've always liked Pioneer decks.

This was a while back (over a year) but if memory serves the Pioneer took far longer to track before starting to play the disc - like it was having trouble with the files.

Jason Dunn
10-04-2005, 05:01 PM
Do you mean WMA playback from DVDs like these decks do?

Aha - sweet! Maybe I'll upgrade to one of those next year.

Ivan
10-05-2005, 08:35 PM
Ivan..................f**k YES!!!!!



My exact reaction when I first learned of these decks a couple of months ago (except for the frenching part :lol: )

There's currently a limitation of 1,100 songs per DVD (something to do with the directory structure or some stuff like that), but 1,100 songs is still a lot of music.

There are 14 user reviews for the JVC deck and the consensus seems to be that it's a great unit.

Jason Dunn
10-05-2005, 08:39 PM
There's currently a limitation of 1,100 songs per DVD (something to do with the directory structure or some stuff like that), but 1,100 songs is still a lot of music.

1100 songs at 4500 MB per disc (roughly) is about 4.09 MB per song. I rip at 256 kbps MP3 now, and songs are usually around 5-9 MB in size, so that limit shouldn't affect me at all. Very slick - I'll have to check into this model...

Jason Dunn
10-05-2005, 08:43 PM
Oh man...my local Visions Electronics carries the JVC, it's $378 CND + $60 install, and I happen to have a $279 in-store coupon, so I can get this whole deal for a mere $149. Hot damn! Pondering... :D

bryhawks
10-05-2005, 09:08 PM
Jason - ponder no longer, get out there, buy the damn deck, and tell us all about it! You can sell me your Panasonic for really cheap if it will make you feel better...