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Jason Dunn
11-19-2007, 04:00 PM
<p><em>This article has been updated as of April 2010 to include information on the Zune HD.</em></p><p>The world is a big place, full of people who love gadgets. When a company decides to release a piece of technology in a single country rather than a world-wide release, it never stops determined people from getting the technology. Like a modern-day Robin Hood, eBay is the primary conduit for re-distributing technology marvels from the "haves" to the "have-nots" (profit for the eBay seller is the motive, however). The Zune HD is one such product, released only in the US of A so far. I happen to live in Canada, and can't buy the Zune in my country, or use much of the online functionality - not without a little creativity that is. Welcome to the International Zune User's Guide: everything you need to know about being one of those clandestine folks acquiring and using a Zune HD in a country where Microsoft doesn't officially support you. Everything in this article is from the perspective of someone who lives in Canada, so there may be slight variations depending on where you are in the world.</p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/resizer/thumbs/size/500/zt/auto/1195225086.usr1.jpg" /> <strong></strong></p><h1><strong>Purchasing the Product</strong></h1><p>So you want to buy that shiny new Zune HD, only no retailer or online store in your country carries it. This is probably one of the easier problems to solve: find someone that will ship it to your country. The #1 place to look is eBay, because private sellers are often willing to ship elsewhere in the world in return for a healthy profit. This means you should expect to pay more than retail once all of the final shipping charges are calculated. If you live in Canada like I do, you're in luck: many US-based sellers will ship to Canada. Be wary of inflated shipping charges, though that's likely going to be the price you'll pay for getting it to you. Unfortunately I've seen many Zune HD ads where the seller will not ship outside North America: you'll have to search for sellers that are willing to ship to Canada/Europe/Asia/etc.</p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/resizer/thumbs/size/600/zt/auto/1267907551.usr1.jpg" style="border: 1px solid #d2d2bb;" /></p><p><em>Figure 1: Mmm...the tasty Zune HD that Microsoft doesn't want you to buy.</em></p><p>Also be prepared to pay some sort of duty/import tax depending on where you live. If you happen to know someone who lives in the USA, this is the far better route: get them to buy if for you at retail, and ship it to you. You'll get the cheapest possible price overall, and your friend can mark the package with a lower-than-retail price. In Canada, if a product comes in via courier (UPS, FedEx, etc.) and the value is less than $20 CND, there's no brokerage fee. If the value is equal to $20 CND, the brokerage fees start at around $25 and go up from there. Have your friend mark the product as a "not for resale product sample", put a value of $10 on it, and you should be able to receive it without paying anything extra. If the product comes into Canada via the USPS (United States Postal Service), there are no brokerage fees regardless of the price listed: you'll just be paying GST and likely a $5 processing fee.</p><h1><strong>Zune Marketplace</strong></h1><p>OK, so you've got the hardware: now what? The Zune HD works great with all the music and content you have on your hard drive, but one of the strengths of the Zune HD(and the iPod for that matter) is that you can access huge online catalogs of music. The problem is, you can't buy those tracks if you live outside the USA. You can't even <em>see</em> the Marketplace tab in the software if your location is set to anything other than USA! It took me a lot of trial and error to figure this out, but I've figured it all out so you don't have to. If you have a <a href="http://www.passport.net" target="_blank">Microsoft Passport</a> account (Windows Live ID) associated with an Xbox Live account, it will have your credit card billing profile. You won't be able to use this account with the Zune Marketplace because the Zune Marketplace blocks purchases from credit cards that have non-US billing addresses. Every time I've tried I get an error stating that "Your credit card information is not valid. Please verify and try again." No amount if re-trying will get it accepted in my experience.</p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/resizer/thumbs/size/600/zt/auto/1267907779.usr1.jpg" style="border: 1px solid #d2d2bb;" /></p><p><em>Figure 2: The Zune Marketplace that Microsoft doesn't want you to see or use.</em></p><p>The points you might have in your Xbox Live account won't be accessible to you in the Zune Marketplace - in fact, with the new Zune software when I tried to sign in with my "real" Passport account (the one associated with my Xbox Live account) it wouldn't even allow me to sign in, claiming that the "Zune Marketplace was unavailable". As you can tell, the Zune team has done almost everything in their power to block non-US based Zune owners from accessing Zune marketplace content. But where there's a will, there's a way. Follow these steps to get to near-Zune Marketplace bliss:</p><ol><li>Go to <a href="http://www.passport.com">Passport.com</a> and register a new Windows Live ID. Use any email address you want. When you're creating your profile, select your home country as the United States of America. Use any US address you want: if you have a sense of irony, use 1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA, 98052.</li><li>You now have a "clean" Windows Live ID without associated credit card information that can be used in the Zune Marketplace - but you need points to do that. And, not surprisingly, you can't purchase points with a non-US credit card. What you need are Xbox Live Points Cards that are sold in the US. Point cards purchased in other countries are geographically linked to that country and are not compatible with the Zune Marketplace. You have two choices at this point: head over to eBay and <a href="http://search.ebay.ca/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&amp;sbrftog=1&amp;from=R10&amp;_trksid=m37&amp;satitle=xbox+points+cards&amp;sacat=-1&amp;catref=C6&amp;sargn=-1&amp;saslc=3&amp;sadis=200&amp;fpos=T3L+2R8&amp;sabfmts=1&amp;saobfmts=insif&amp;ftrt=1&amp;ftrv=1&amp;saprclo=&amp;saprchi=&amp;fsop=1&amp;fsoo=1&amp;coaction=compare&amp;copagenum=1&amp;coentrypage=search&amp;fgtp=" target="_blank">purchase point cards</a> from a US-based seller (you may want to confirm there are US-based points). The nice thing here is that many sellers will just email you the point codes, meaning they don't care if you're in Poland or the UK. Or, use that friend in the USA again to buy you a points card. </li><li>Once you have the point card codes, open the Zune desktop software and log in with your new Windows Live ID. The software may complain about your location setting for your Windows Live ID not matching the location setting on your computer (see below). You'll need to exit the Zune software, go to your Control Panel &gt; Region and Language &gt; Location, and change the location to United States. Open the Zune desktop software and log back in.</li><li>Go into Settings &gt; Account &gt; Redeem Code.</li><li>Enter in the Xbox Live Points code(s) you have. Those points will be added to your account.</li><li>Now giggle like a school-girl as you witness your account fill with points ready for spending. You can use these points to purchase music or music videos from the Zune marketplace, and they'll download and play back on your Zune without any problem.</li><li>When you need more points, just repeat steps #2 through #5 again. If you're planning on buying a lot of music, you should probably purchase a few blocks of 4000 points (which cost around $60 USD at retail). </li></ol><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com//zt/auto/1267909507.usr1.png" style="border: 1px solid #d2d2bb;" /></p><p><em>Figure 3: The error screen you'll see if your computer location doesn't match the Live ID location.</em></p><p><PAGE /></p><h1>No Zune Pass For You! Unless...</h1><p>There's a bit of bad news, however: the Zune Pass is linked to a credit card for repeat billings, and, you guessed it, they block all non-US credit credit billing addresses. So unless you have a great friend who's willing to have the Zune Pass billed to his credit card, and have you pay him back, you won't be getting a Zune Pass that way. However, there is a way: you need to purchase the Zune Pass 1 Month pre-paid cards (see below).</p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com//zt/auto/1265691302.usr1.png" style="border: 1px solid #d2d2bb;" /></p><p><em>Figure 4: This bright pink and orange card is your ticket to a Zune Pass.</em></p><p>These cards sell for $14.99 each, and are available in the US only at Best Buy, Target, and a few other retail stores. Exactly like the Xbox Points cards, the Zune Pass cards have a code on the back, and when you enter the code, you'll have a Zune Pass for one month. This means the 10 song credits, access to all the music you want, and streaming music from any Web browser. These Zune Pass cards can be purchased in one month or three month variations, and if you don't have a friend in the US to buy them for you, you can find sellers on eBay with them.</p><h1>Applications, Software Updates, Etc.</h1><p>Given the lengths that Microsoft has gone to in order to make life difficult for international Zune users, you'd think they'd do something equally harsh with applications and software updates. Thankfully, they don't - which tells me that maybe some of the stuff they do with music and videos isn't done by choice; it might be licensing lawyers pressuring them to stop people outside the USA from doing something as simple as browsing the Marketplace. Regardless, here's the good news: no matter where you are in the world, your Zune will get firmware updates. Once get the Marketplace to appear, you can also download applications of the Zune HD. There are no geographic filters places on application downloads or firmware downloads.</p><h1>Videos: This is Ugly</h1><p>Despite my success in being able to get Zune Marketplace music, and a Zune Pass, I've never been able to purchase video content other than music videos. Music videos can be purchased the same way music can be purchased, but when it comes to TV shows and movies, there's an extra layer geographical-sniffing that I presume is IP-based.</p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com//zt/auto/1267911440.usr1.png" style="border: 1px solid #d2d2bb;" /></p><p><em>Figure 5: Sadly, no videos unless you live in the USA.</em></p><p>So even if you have your USA Live ID and your USA Xbox points, when you try to download even a free video (as shown above), you'll get an error saying that the "Zune Marketplace isn't available in your location." I haven't found a way around this problem - short of getting really geeky with VPNs and proxies to try and fool the IP protection layer, you're not going to be buying or downloading free video content from the Zune Marketplace. Then won't even let you watch the movie trailers!</p><h1><strong>Getting Zune Tech Support</strong></h1><p>You've got your Zune, filled to the brim with Zune Marketplace music, and all is right with the world. The something goes wrong: your Zune breaks. What do you do? You call Zune tech support at 1-877-GET-ZUNE (438-9863). I'm able to call that number from Canada, but I'm not sure about reaching that number from other countries (let me know in the comments section). I'm not aware of a long-distance version of that number. In my dealing with Zune tech support, they were willing to assist me even though I told them I was in Canada.</p><p>If your Zune can't be fixed via phone tech support, and you have to send it in, this is where things get complicated. The Zune tech support people normally send out a box for your Zune, you drop your Zune in the box, and the box is couriered back to Zune tech support at no cost to you. The catch here is that they only provide that service in the USA, and will not accept packages sent to them any other way from any other country. So if you want to get our Zune repaired, you're going to need to find a friend or relative who lives in the USA and is willing to facilitate the process for you. When my black Zune 30 wasn't booting up properly, here's what I had to do to get it fixed (this was before the Zune had its brief release in Canada):</p><ol><li>Over the phone, I had to register the Zune in the name of my friend who lived in New York.</li><li>Zune tech support sent the courier box to my friend in NYC.</li><li>I shipped the Zune 30 to my friend in NYC.</li><li>My friend put the Zune in the courier box, sent it to Zune tech support, they replaced the Zune, and sent it back to my friend in NYC.</li><li>My friend in NYC then mailed me back my Zune.</li></ol><p>Kind of painful, and long (the whole process took about a month from start to finish), but it worked out ok for me in that I have a properly functioning Zune 30 now. If you don't know anyone in the US, or can't reach the Zune tech support line you're in for some trouble getting your Zune repaired. <strong></strong></p><h1><strong>Wrapping it Up</strong></h1><p>And there you have it: my guide to working around the roadblocks that the Zune team has placed in the way of international users. To be fair, those roadblocks are something they probably didn't want to do, but were required to do for music licensing reasons. Our world is ruled (sadly) by lawyers, and those lawyers make sure that licensing music for international markets is as complicated and lengthy a process as possible so they can make as much money as possible. The Xbox Live system is active in many countries around the world, so the technology is certain in place to light up the Zune Marketplace in all those same markets (and they've done just that with Zune Video on the Xbox) - except for that licensing issue. Licensing laws are different in every country around the world, and before the Zune Marketplace can start selling music in a country, the licensing has to be set up. Slowly, so incredibly slowly, we should see the Zune roll out to other countries around the world - but until then, I hope this guide proves to be helpful to all of you international Zune users. If I've missed anything in my breakdown of how things work, of if you've found a clever workaround I haven't mentioned, please let me know in the comments section.</p><p><em>Jason Dunn owns and operates <a href="http://www.thoughtsmedia.com" target="_blank">Thoughts Media Inc.</a>, a company dedicated to creating the best in online communities. He enjoys mobile devices, digital media content creation/editing, and pretty much all technology. He lives in Calgary, Alberta, Canada with his lovely wife, his wonderful son Logan, and his sometimes obedient dog. He wishes the world wasn't ruled by lawyers.</em></p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com//ppct/auto/1240336793.usr1.gif" /></p><p><strong>Do you enjoy using new hardware, software and accessories, then sharing your experience with others? Then join us on the <a href="http://www.thoughtsmedia.com/reviewteam.php" target="_blank">Thoughts Media Review Team</a>! We're looking for individuals who find it fun to test new gear and give their honest opinions about the experience. It's a volunteer role with some great perks. Interested? <a href="http://www.thoughtsmedia.com/reviewteam.php" target="_blank">Then click here for more information.</a></strong></p><p><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com//ppct/auto/1240336793.usr1.gif" /></p>

Mike-T
11-20-2007, 02:36 AM
Excellent Guide, Jason. There are a lot of CDs that are hard to find in music stores (at least here in Pierrefonds) and the zune marketplace is a great way to find them (in some cases, even better that eBay).

Yours is one of the few places that are updated regularly with interesting and useful information about the Zune, and I really appreciater that.

Thanks and regards.

serpico
11-23-2007, 01:23 AM
Thanks Jason for this guide. Being a Vancouver local, the info came in handy.

unledded
12-23-2007, 07:55 AM
Exactly where did you buy yours? I asking because I also live in canada, and I am looking for a zune.

keyoke
12-23-2007, 12:38 PM
Thanks been having trouble with this, One addition tho i couldnt use firefox or IE 7 to register..... It kept saying my region wasnt supported, but when I used opera it worked like a dream.
Cheers

Lotheric
12-24-2007, 04:13 AM
Exactly where did you buy yours? I asking because I also live in canada, and I am looking for a zune.

http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=157703

Jason Dunn
12-24-2007, 06:34 AM
Exactly where did you buy yours? I asking because I also live in canada, and I am looking for a zune.

Go to www.ecost.com and search for the keyword "Zune". You'll find a lot of search results, and they have a great "all in" price for products coming to Canada via Canada Posts' BorderFree service. :)

Jason Dunn
12-24-2007, 06:35 AM
One addition tho i couldnt use firefox or IE 7 to register..... It kept saying my region wasnt supported, but when I used opera it worked like a dream.

You couldn't register in our forums? Or you couldn't register for a new Passport account? :confused:

keyoke
12-27-2007, 08:48 PM
Hi Jason,
Sorry I wasnt clear - I registered fine on your guys forums, I was referring to registering my live id for zune marketplace sign in. When I tried to register on www.zune.net (http://www.zune.net) it kept saying invalid region or whatever when using firefox or IE 7. But using opera managed to assign my new live id to the zune account.
cheers

Espiox
05-08-2008, 06:41 PM
I thought I'd mention something of use to fellow international users: If you really want the Zune Pass, get your "friend in America" to buy you a prepaid 3-month card at retail and send you the code. That way, you don't need to enter credit card details. I did this and it works fine.

Jason Dunn
05-08-2008, 10:25 PM
I thought I'd mention something of use to fellow international users: If you really want the Zune Pass, get your "friend in America" to buy you a prepaid 3-month card at retail and send you the code. That way, you don't need to enter credit card details. I did this and it works fine.

That's a good idea, thanks for suggesting it!

seal
07-22-2008, 02:35 PM
Hi all, I am not able to download any TV content from Zune Marketplace, I have no issues with music or music videos, they all work fine but I get an error with TV, ( eg. Heroes) The error I get is " Can't download" Error Summary: You've reached the maximum number of downloads for this item. Error Code: C00D135C.

Is anyone else have this issue?

Thanks

Jason Dunn
07-22-2008, 04:32 PM
Hi all, I am not able to download any TV content from Zune Marketplace

Looks like the issue is that you're in Australia:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953485

Where did you get your points from? Are they USA-based points, or did you buy them linked to your Australian Xbox Live account?

seal
07-23-2008, 12:12 AM
Hi,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I am able to use my Citibank credit card with the Zune software, even my AMEX doesn't work but the CitiBank credit card works with no problems.

As for the TV downloads, it must be checking where my server is and when it shows up as Australia it must deny me the download, it must not do that with music or music videos. So do you think there is a way around this?

Jason Dunn
07-23-2008, 06:24 PM
So do you think there is a way around this?

The only way around it, I think, would be to funnel your network connection through a VPN in the US. Kind of crazy, but a normal Web-based proxy wouldn't work because it's the Zune client software that does the IP sniffing.

The strange thing is that I was allowed to buy a couple of videos, and I'm in Canada. They're DRM-infested anyway, so maybe not being able to buy them is a blessing. :rolleyes:

JimJones
08-08-2008, 02:31 PM
Hey everyone - great tips here, especially the Opera hint! So far so good, but now i've hit a glitch where i've registered successfully and my US XBOX points have been associated with my US user name etc but for some reason I can't access the Zune marketplace.

So i'm signed into the Zune software but i don't have "marketplace" showing as a menu option on the top left of the app.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm based in the UK.

Cheers
J

Jason Dunn
08-09-2008, 07:23 PM
So i'm signed into the Zune software but i don't have "marketplace" showing as a menu option on the top left of the app.

You have to set your location in the control panel to the USA...

Menneisyys
09-15-2008, 03:41 PM
great guide! I've got mine (Europe) from the MS Company Store. They posted the gadget to Europe without any hassle.

Menneisyys
09-15-2008, 03:42 PM
I thought I'd mention something of use to fellow international users: If you really want the Zune Pass, get your "friend in America" to buy you a prepaid 3-month card at retail and send you the code. That way, you don't need to enter credit card details. I did this and it works fine.



great tip! I'll give it a try!

cac86
09-17-2008, 02:53 PM
Ive been able to use the market place for music and music videos but not TV from the UK for a while, with the new channels features looking really good I would like a zune pass, is there an online store that sells the subscribers cards we outsiders can order from (or does anyone now away to get an American address and Credit Card :D)

Jason Dunn
09-17-2008, 10:31 PM
...is there an online store that sells the subscribers cards we outsiders can order from (or does anyone now away to get an American address and Credit Card :D)

I asked a contact on the Zune team and was told that Radioshack and Fred Meyer (the grocery store chain) are the only places that sell the Zune Pass right now - but I checked Radioshack's Web site and they don't list the Zune Pass.

So for now it seems there's no solution...

alexdski2
09-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Hi there UK Zune users.

I recieved my 120 today from ebay seller in Florida.

I just set up my Zune Pass without hitch using a US based live account I just setup, and I got my US points from ebay, $49.94 for 4000 10 minutes ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Xbox-360-Live-4000-Microsoft-Points-Zune-Card-New_W0QQitemZ260287798241QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47103QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good luck. No TV, but everything else working a treat!

gaurav2004
10-08-2008, 08:38 AM
hi everyone.....i live in India and can anyone tell me which online site can provide me Zune 80GB at reasonable price. Please let me know the brokerage fees and other hidden costs if any??
Thanks

Jason Dunn
10-08-2008, 06:33 PM
hi everyone.....i live in India and can anyone tell me which online site can provide me Zune 80GB at reasonable price.

Your best bet is probably eBay, but since you're in the one in India, you're the only one that can pick a good place to buy it from. :)

gaurav2004
10-10-2008, 04:03 AM
hey thanks Jason for replying.
But i have already checked ebay, no one is wiiling to ship it to India
and when i try ebay.in there is no seller!!!
Help!!!!:confused:

Jason Dunn
10-10-2008, 09:00 PM
But i have already checked ebay, no one is wiiling to ship it to India

Is India known for high fraud rates or something? I'm surprised that no one will ship a Zune there. I guess you need to visit the US or Canada. :cool:

d3c3it
10-18-2008, 10:28 PM
Hello, thanks for the info! Will be getting a 120gb shipped tomorrow now!

All seems to make sense, although I have one slight question, what will happen if I now connect the "US registered" [;)] Zune to my UK registered 360 which has a UK passport attached to it?

Many thanks!

Jason Dunn
10-19-2008, 06:20 AM
All seems to make sense, although I have one slight question, what will happen if I now connect the "US registered" [;)] Zune to my UK registered 360 which has a UK passport attached to it?

I honestly have no idea. Do it and let me know what happens. :)

Ricardo Dawkins
12-08-2008, 06:54 PM
hi everyone.....i live in India and can anyone tell me which online site can provide me Zune 80GB at reasonable price. Please let me know the brokerage fees and other hidden costs if any??
Thanks
Try this store:
www.zunethings.co.uk

naruto_fan
09-15-2009, 11:04 PM
Hey,
Dose all this stuff still hold up to the zune HD?
Thx for the post :)

Jason Dunn
09-16-2009, 04:21 PM
Dose all this stuff still hold up to the zune HD?

Yes, unfortunately nothing has changed to my knowledge. Though I haven't tried using Xbox Live points purchased in Canada, but I see no reason Microsoft would allow them to start working now. I still can't get a Zune Pass either. The Zune HD is purely USA-only for now.

Jason Dunn
03-06-2010, 10:59 PM
For anyone still monitoring this thread, I've updated the core article so everything is 100% up to date in the Zune HD era...and I've even figured out how to get a Zune Pass! :)

NSILMike
03-09-2010, 09:20 PM
Very nice job, Jason!

Cheers!

loyal audiophile2
04-17-2010, 09:44 PM
hi is it possible to download games and apps on the Zune HD outside the U.S.
i'm from India and my sister is sending a Zune HD 16GB from the U.S. should i ask her to download the available games and apps before sending or i could do it myself in India. and obviously miss out on any more apps or games releasing next month onwards:confused:

Jason Dunn
04-21-2010, 07:00 AM
hi is it possible to download games and apps on the Zune HD outside the U.S.

I've just updated my article with a paragraph about exactly this topic, since it gets asked fairly often. It should answer all your questions, but if it doesn't, let me know. :)

ripple
07-31-2010, 06:58 AM
Hi,
i just bought a Zune HD 16. I was having the same problem in nstalling apps and then followed the steps quoted by Jason. Unfortunatey I still can't find the apps/marketplace tab on Zune software :(
I had installed Zune software initially, removed it through Uninstall in Control Panel and then reinstalled again.
I'd be really grateful if Jason and Forum members could help me
ciao

Jason Dunn
07-31-2010, 07:47 PM
Unfortunatey I still can't find the apps/marketplace tab on Zune software

If you're not seeing the Marketplace tab, it's because your location (set via the Control Panel) isn't set to USA.

theholder
01-15-2011, 03:33 PM
I`ve done all the steps you guys said.
But unfortunately i just can`t log to my Live ID in the Zune.
It keeps saying that I`m not connected to the internet, or that a proxy or firewall is blocking me (the firewall is not blocking, i`ve added an exception, and even disabled it).

What can I do?