[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

This is a curious statement. You're saying you'd switch to the Zune if you had access to the Zune Pass, but only because the Zune updates are free? You can switch today and not have to pay for updates if you don't mind not having the Zune Pass.

I don't think free updates is enough to swap in itself.

However, combine that with the Zune Pass, and a similar form-factor to my current iPod touch, and Microsoft might have a deal.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

This is a curious statement. You're saying you'd switch to the Zune if you had access to the Zune Pass, but only because the Zune updates are free? You can switch today and not have to pay for updates if you don't mind not having the Zune Pass.

I don't think free updates is enough to swap in itself.

However, combine that with the Zune Pass, and a similar form-factor to my current iPod touch, and Microsoft might have a deal.

[inteller]

Originally Posted by jdmichal

Jason is only speaking what he knows is the truth here. And he has made it pretty clear that he knows more, but is not able to say it yet. Forgive him for obeying the rules.

Now if you want those random rumors, feel free to go to those other sites. Maybe their contacts don't play by the rules as well as Jason's. Or maybe they're just making up random **** to get page hits. But don't fault Jason for not reposting every random Zune article and rumor on the internets.

I for one am happy to have a site where I can go and get true news, instead of what mostly amounts to random noise that I don't have time for. That's why I'm here.

the reposts of stuff I already know are here already. if I want to know what free stuff I can get from marketplace I'll just open up my email and read the newsletter.

I think what this amounts to is a post that was poo pooing some people for throwing out rumors (a lot of which came true) , saying that they were going to eat their words etc etc and now it is pooh pooh because the scoop came out and it wasn't here.

When UK sites are blowing the lid off of Zune stories something is very wrong. They don't even have Zunes int he UK so how are they getting the dirt before the Zune "MVPs"?

I mean the Zune HD images that came out what, a month ago? Instead of saying stuff like "this is what the HD MIGHT look like" just go ahead and say "yep that's it" if you know.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by inteller

When UK sites are blowing the lid off of Zune stories something is very wrong. They don't even have Zunes int he UK so how are they getting the dirt before the Zune "MVPs"?

The Zune MVPs got information a few hours before the press embargo was due to be lifted - at 12:01 AM eastern time. Other press sites got the same information and were under the same deadline. The particular site in the UK that you're referring to broke the press embargo - I think it was an accident, but who knows - and when they did that, Microsoft had no choice but to lift the press embargo across the board. I was unfortunately out for a few hours and didn't know this until I returned a few hours later. I've already expained this once - what part of that don't you understand?

Originally Posted by inteller

Instead of saying stuff like "this is what the HD MIGHT look like" just go ahead and say "yep that's it" if you know.

Do you understand what an NDA is? I can't confirm rumours or speculation without breaking my NDA and getting kicked out of the MVP program. Is there something you don't understand about that?

[inteller]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

The Zune MVPs got information a few hours before the press embargo was due to be lifted - at 12:01 AM eastern time. Other press sites got the same information and were under the same deadline. The particular site in the UK that you're referring to broke the press embargo - I think it was an accident, but who knows - and when they did that, Microsoft had no choice but to lift the press embargo across the board. I was unfortunately out for a few hours and didn't know this until I returned a few hours later. I've already expained this once - what part of that don't you understand?



Do you understand what an NDA is? I can't confirm rumours or speculation without breaking my NDA and getting kicked out of the MVP program. Is there something you don't understand about that?

I guess a better question for yourself is, what has adhering to an NDA and being an MVP exactly got you thus far?

more news that hasn't been reported here:

"Zune HD will be a music player, not a super-device"

Zune HD will be a music player, not a super-device | Digital Noise: Music and Tech - CNET News

"I spoke to the Zune marketing team this morning, and they didn't have much to say beyond those points. In fact, they weren't originally planning on saying anything until later this summer, but felt they needed to set expectations for Zune customers in light of all the rumors. "

I thought being an MVP was something exclusive, yet CNET seems to get the goods? Seems like anyone can call them up and report.

If I were in your shoes I'd feel like I was getting played for a chump.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by inteller

I thought being an MVP was something exclusive, yet CNET seems to get the goods? Seems like anyone can call them up and report.
If I were in your shoes I'd feel like I was getting played for a chump.

You know, I was going to respond to your post point by point, but I was reminded of the old adage:

"Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience."

You're banned. Go find another site that can live up to your impossible expectations.

[colmets123]

I really like the look of the device. I would only get one if it comes in a 80gb or 120gb. I have tons of music and a 32gb device will not cut it. It will probably be more expensive because of the size but i will most def pick one up. I also read some where on the web that it will come in a 120gb size. Maybe wishful thinking but if your going to use XBOX live to download music,games or videos you will definitely need a device at least up to 80gb.

[jdmichal]

I think the only thing I'm really worried about with storage size is the combination of HD and flash memory. I'm really excited about the prospects of not having to transcode, but even 32GB is not enough for more than a season of decent HD content (720p). I'm already used to carrying around my entire TV show collection on my 120.

Conclusion: I don't think I'd get one of these in anything less than 64GB.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by jdmichal

I'm really excited about the prospects of not having to transcode, but even 32GB is not enough for more than a season of decent HD content (720p). I'm already used to carrying around my entire TV show collection on my 120.

I'm the same way - if they do a 32 GB one, or even a 64 GB one, I can't put my entire music collection on there, let alone TV/movie content. BUT...if the viewing/usage experience is light years better, I'm personally willing to carry less with me and have a better overall experience. That's just me though.

[Lee Yuan Sheng]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

On what planet is a 32 GB Flash device $199?

Does Creative count? :P

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by Lee Yuan Sheng

Does Creative count? :P

The Zen X-Fi? Well, sort of. The 32 GB unit is $249 USD right now, regular price is $279 USD. I betcha Creative spent $100 USD on the 32 GB Flash and $50 on the unit itself. It's not a very high-end unit from what I've seen...but it does have lots of storage, I'll give it that.