[snap]

Any word about any further SW updates to the older Zune models? I suspect not since they are moving to a new interface, but perhaps some new Xbox-to-Zune integration features could be added that would work for all models?

[snap]

Any word about any further SW updates to the older Zune models? I suspect not since they are moving to a new interface, but perhaps some new Xbox-to-Zune integration features could be added that would work for all models?

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by inteller

WTF? It HAS been revealed.

What's been revealed thus far are a few photos and the very basics about the hardware. We know nothing about the software on the device, the services powering the device, the updates to Zune Marketplace, very little about the Xbox 360 changes, etc. All that talk about being able to play Xbox 360 games on the Zune? We know nothing about that yet.

And tone down your rude dial or you'll be taking a vacation from this site for a while - I'm tired of the bad attitude you throw around here. There's no need for it.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by Brothernod

Jason, do you know (are allowed to say) a rough release window? Just curious if I need to tell my friends to wait until September or October, it's kind of hard to suggest a non-technical person waits 4 months for something they want as is.

"This fall" is the only date that Microsoft is giving out, so that's all I can say. Sorry.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by snap

Any word about any further SW updates to the older Zune models? I suspect not since they are moving to a new interface, but perhaps some new Xbox-to-Zune integration features could be added that would work for all models?

There's nothing I can share about that right now, but when Microsoft is willing to answer those questions you can be sure I'll be asking them.

[inteller]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

the services powering the device, the updates to Zune Marketplace, very little about the Xbox 360 changes, etc.

oh really?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...crosoft-zunehd

"Zune Video enables users to download movies to their Xbox 360, and existing subscribers to Xbox Live are expected to be offered unlimited access to Microsoft's video catalogue for a single extra payment each month."

You are a journalist (or at least you make this site give the appearances of one). Criticism comes with the job/hobby/whatever you want to call it. If you want to pull out bans on your critics or whatever then fine it is your perogative and your credibility will advance accordingly.

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by inteller

oh really? "Zune Video enables users to download movies to their Xbox 360, and existing subscribers to Xbox Live are expected to be offered unlimited access to Microsoft's video catalogue for a single extra payment each month."

Zune Marketplace replacing the Xbox Video Marketplace doesn't tell us anything about the device integration, and that's what I was referring to in saying that there's much we don't know yet about the Zune HD. Other sites threw around the idea of being able to download a movie on their Xbox then watch it on the Zune - or downloading a movie on the Zune then watching it via their Xbox. What about Xbox Live games? The rumour was we'd be able to copy a game from the Xbox 360 to the Zune, play it on the Zune, then resume playing it on the Xbox 360. Not a word about that yet, is there? There is more to be learned about this whole new platform and device - that's all I was saying.

Originally Posted by inteller

You are a journalist (or at least you make this site give the appearances of one). Criticism comes with the job/hobby/whatever you want to call it.

I'm fine with criticism of my opinions - people are free to disagree with me all they want. You have a tendency to criticize the person rather than the opinion - and I view you throwing a "WTF?" my way as exactly that. It's rude. That's not acceptable in this forum, and if you look around, you're the only one doing it here. There's simply no need for it, and I'm politely asking you to stop.

[ACE]

I have to say, I'm a bit skeptical about the ZuneHD. I'm a big time Zune fan, but have had my hopes up high in the past to only have my hopes dashed by mediocre, upgradable features (Canadians should know this all to well with the Zune Marketplace - or the lack of it with MS saying "soon!").

The initial release of information still lends to the notion that the combined services of the Xbox and Zune will be minimal. I'm freakin' out about the ZuneHD's web browser being based upon IE - hopefully it's a peak at the browser for WinMo 7 instead of using any iteration of mobile IE thus far.

Call me a glass-is-half-empty kinda guy, but I've gone through this many a time with Zune. I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst... But I wish it were vice versa...

[inteller]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

I'm fine with criticism of my opinions - people are free to disagree with me all they want. You have a tendency to criticize the person rather than the opinion - and I view you throwing a "WTF?" my way as exactly that. It's rude. That's not acceptable in this forum, and if you look around, you're the only one doing it here. There's simply no need for it, and I'm politely asking you to stop.

***long quote trimmed by mod JD***

OMG I suggest if you are going to maintain an op-ed blog publication to get thicker skin. An opinion by its nature is personal if being presented by the originator, which in this case it is. If I attacked you for presenting someone else's opinion that would be a different matter...don't shoot the messenger as they say. But it isn't. And to suggest I'm some anomaly because I'm the only one leveling criticism is pretty .


As a Zune oriented site, I find it a little discouraging to come here and not find the latest Zune news and have to go get my Zune fix from a generalist site like engadget. I thought the whole point of Zune MVPs were to provide them info before everyone else.

[jdmichal]

Jason is only speaking what he knows is the truth here. And he has made it pretty clear that he knows more, but is not able to say it yet. Forgive him for obeying the rules.

Now if you want those random rumors, feel free to go to those other sites. Maybe their contacts don't play by the rules as well as Jason's. Or maybe they're just making up random **** to get page hits. But don't fault Jason for not reposting every random Zune article and rumor on the internets.

I for one am happy to have a site where I can go and get true news, instead of what mostly amounts to random noise that I don't have time for. That's why I'm here.

[Jason Dunn]

We're having a rip-roaring discussion about the Zune HD over in the Apple Thoughts forums:

Microsoft Announces Zune HD*

Join in.