[code-frog]

Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry

I agree with your technological assessment, but the fact is, Vista failed.

I don't think Vista failed I think it was late to market. Had it been a year maybe 2 sooner and it would have exploded. XP stayed on the market too long. Users got lax and very comfortable with it. The market started to slow. Companies started grasping for cash and IT is the first to go. People will use at home whatever they use at work. Vista did not penetrate corporate so it did not penetrate the home. I believe that XP stagnated what would otherwise have been a good thing in Vista. The slow-down (even though when Vista released it was still young...) had rumblings that made many uneasy and spending just halted fast. When tech sectors crumble other sectors are 2 years behind. That's what killed Vista. 2 years after the technology sector tanked is when Vista launched.

It's all speculation but this guy is not at all on it. He needed to provide some proof and sources for his rankings and without it... just speculation on his part. It shows his distance from the world of IT to be honest.

[code-frog]

Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry

I agree with your technological assessment, but the fact is, Vista failed.

I don't think Vista failed I think it was late to market. Had it been a year maybe 2 sooner and it would have exploded. XP stayed on the market too long. Users got lax and very comfortable with it. The market started to slow. Companies started grasping for cash and IT is the first to go. People will use at home whatever they use at work. Vista did not penetrate corporate so it did not penetrate the home. I believe that XP stagnated what would otherwise have been a good thing in Vista. The slow-down (even though when Vista released it was still young...) had rumblings that made many uneasy and spending just halted fast. When tech sectors crumble other sectors are 2 years behind. That's what killed Vista. 2 years after the technology sector tanked is when Vista launched.

It's all speculation but this guy is not at all on it. He needed to provide some proof and sources for his rankings and without it... just speculation on his part. It shows his distance from the world of IT to be honest.

[Pete Paxton]

I definitely don't agree about Ubuntu being an honorable mention. Ubuntu doesn't have the financial muscle that either MS or Apple have and yet it's a great stable, virtually virus and malware free OS. Not to mention it's free. I love the fact that I can take a decent $700 PC laptop and wipe Vista off and install Ubuntu. I have a stable secure laptop and I didn't have to give into Apple's ridiculous pricing scheme. Those who I've shown Ubuntu to have either put it on their computer themselves or asked me to help them. I agree that Ubuntu hasn't caught on as much as I would like but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's an awesome OS. I would use it any day over Vista.

[inteller]

Originally Posted by RogueSpear

Yea, and Charles Manson was just "misunderstood".

To be fair I think that Vista has been somewhat unfairly denounced. Every version of Windows prior to it has been just as terrible. Only now are people beginning to catch on to the upgrade train scam Microsoft has been pulling for so long now.

yes, too bad those same people don't understand how utterly ****ty and slapped together the underpinnings of XP are that they think is "just fine". I mean my god this is the OS that shipped with IE6!

Vista x64 is the best OS I have ever come across. As someone else mentioned if you run it on a modern computer it is great. If you try to put it on your old Pentium III that came with XP you deserve what's coming to you and you forfeit the right to complain about it.

[Rob Alexander]

Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry

I think the Wikipedia artilce makes it clear that all 10 items are considered "Technology." Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're just grasping now. By Wiki's definition, a pen and paper is technology. Of course that's true, but it's still not what we're talking about here. Everyone here understands the difference between a technology and a product that uses technology. So do you. I'm really not sure why you feel the need to go to the mat to defend these guys, but I really don't care enough to debate it at length. I've had my say; others can read what we've both said and make their own conclusions.

[Trastan]

Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry

I think the Wikipedia artilce makes it clear that all 10 items are considered "Technology." Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seriously? You're proven wrong repeatedly while blindly continuing to repeat your claims, and the best source you can cite in the end is Wikipedia?

And you're a contributing editor here?

Wow.

EDIT: I apologize for the overly rude wording, and for breaking the rules (which I admit to not having read prior.) Though my post was harsh, I do hope that it has nonetheless not fallen on deaf ears. I've valued a lot of articles from ThoughtsMedia in the past, and I'd hate for their journalistic integrity to devolve to reliance on Wikipedia articles.

Thank you for your time.

EDIT again: Hm, apparently you don't accept private messages. I'm not sure if you've just blocked me, or the ThoughtsMedia board as a whole, but I, nonetheless, am unable to apologize to you through it, so I will do so here. I appreciate your courteous correction, as I, likely, would not have been so polite.

I'm not sure why you won't accept PMs, but I would recommend that you, being a moderator, allow them as part of your duty to the boards. Unless there's some large problem that I'm not aware of (which is entirely likely), blocking PMs from the public places a barrier between you and the rest of the users. If there is some alternate method of contacting you directly that I have missed, please let me know.

Also, would you mind pointing me to the forum rules thread? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks.

[orchdork13]

alright, i have had my 8gb zune since about january. it has been worked perfectly until about the last month or so. Before it started freezing up. Then it started to randomly shut off in the middle of songs. Sometimes it will play and it will not shut off at all. Now it won't even turn on. I charged it a whole night and it will still not turn on. does anyone know how to fix this problem., if you could that would be great

[isilver]

Vista shouldn't be #1. Although initial acceptance was bad Microsoft managed to get into our lives by force. Most recent polls mention that Vista may be at 25% of the Microsoft computer market share. It has been out for 2 years so it can be deemed a failure. But that seems a far cry from a failure. I almost think this is the sort of adoption that is going to occur if Microsoft releases a new version every 2 years.

I agree with the thought that bluetooth adoption is slow. I don't know why every single MP3 player doesn't offer it and why stereo headsets are dropping below the $100.00 mark (in Canada at least). It's also not a common feature in cell phones yet when supporting the more advanced features like a2p2 (I think that's right) or stereo.

I'm not sure what people consider a failure. If they consider Zune to be a failure then I only wish I could come out with products that would fail like that. Apple owns the mark and it will be a very long time for anyone to top them. But the Zune selling millions in a few years (only in North America because I don't think it's sold elsewhere) is a success story. Maybe the publisher would have been happier if it wasn't branded as a Microsoft product, maybe that would make them see the light of day.