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Old 05-18-2009, 08:19 PM
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There are millions of us out here actually doing productive work on Vista machines with nary a gripe, you know.
Yep, I agree. I just bought a Compaq PC running Vista Premium yesterday to replace an old HP a610n. I chose to buy a branded pc rather than DIY as this is really just a spare and didnt want the hassle of DIY. I have 2 laptops running Vista and have no problems and no desire to downgrade to XP on any of them, despite this apparently being the in thing to do these days. Love the look, speed and features. When 7 is officially released I will consider upgrading if there are some really compelling features but for now running Vista is not an issue for me.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:32 PM
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But... Vista is no more a technology than is the Lisa.
They are clearly using the term to refer to technological products - ie somehow associated with computers. Thus, the Edsel and BetaMax don't belong on this list.

OS/2 should have been on the list. No matter how good it supposedly was, it failed, and man was it hyped.

And on Vista, I use it daily. I have 5 PCs at home and 2 run Vista, one runs Win7 b7100 and the other two have XP - too underpowered for Vista. I like Vista - been using it in production since Feb 2007. It is still a failure. And the week Win7 goes gold, I'll have zero machines running Vista, and likely only one still running XP. I've found Win7 can run on machines that cannot handle Vista.
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:14 PM
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I thinks its more a case of Vista's initial perception as a failure leading to being regarded a failure in other areas. It runs well now with few problems for the majority of users, so why is it still regarded as a failure? Obviously due to impressions formed when it was first released and didnt perform as well as it does today but those biases cannot be/are not easily changed and so Vista continues to suffer from that initial backlash which will obviously have a knockon effect on other aspects eg sales and so Vista continues to be perceived as a failure.

As for capable hardware, my hardware ranges from a Celeron 585 with 3GB(1GB) ram, Core 2 with 4GB(2GB) ram and Athlon LE 1650 with 1GB or ram. Figures in brackets are the original shipped memory and they ran well before the upgrade and better after.
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:26 PM
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I thinks its more a case of Vista's initial perception as a failure leading to being regarded a failure in other areas. It runs well now with few problems for the majority of users, so why is it still regarded as a failure?
Actually, it doesn't run any better than it did 2 years ago unless you have the hardware to support it and aren't running old apps. The compatiblity improvments in Vista (and there have been some in Sp1 and Sp2) are a drop in the bucket compared to the problems it still has, and it has done nothing to reduce system requirements. Many people with a new PC purchased in 2006 still cannot run anything but Home Basic and some cannot run it at all. The only reason more and more people run it successfully is their PC is 2007 or later, and for those devices, it runs fine - assuming you find drivers for your printer/scanner/name-your-external-device-here. It is a bandaid approach though.

Again, I run it daily and generally like it, but it is a failure. The best thing Ballmer had to say about it is it is a work in progress. Ballmer: Vista a 'work in progress'

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Old 05-18-2009, 11:16 PM
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Hmm - I have to disagree re. #4 (Bluetooth). In day-to-day use I really find it invaluable - and not for the headset use mentioned in the article but for wireless data - connecting to mobile broadband from my laptop to mobile and between my Palm TX and Bluetooth GPS unit. For these sort of situations not having any wires is brilliant!

I also disagree with it being a pain to setup - I got a new NC10 (& put Windows 7 on it of course ), and within seconds I'd paired it to my Sony Ericsson K850i, setup a dial-up networking connection and was on the internet. It's great when on a train or moving around just being able to leave the phone in your pocket and connect whenever you want.

Kinda agree re. Vista at #1 though (valid arguments re. them mixing up technologies and products aside) - Windows 7 is so what Vista should have been!
 
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:14 AM
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You must understand Alan, the poor yanks have terrible or neutered phones, so they don't get to use Bluetooth as much. :P
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:53 AM
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But... Vista is no more a technology than is the Lisa.
Its a product built out of a collection technologies; Aero, WFC, WinFX, DX10, etc. Neither product belongs on a list of technologies.
Yes, I agree, and that was exactly my point. That's why I commented that Vista was a marketing failure, not a technology failure, noting that the same set of technologies are in Windows 7 which is being well-accepted. The techologies in Vista are not a failure, only the product itself is. For those who would disagree, please note that I am not saying the product is not good. I use it on two of my three computers. I am saying that it did not succeed in the marketplace and it didn't.
 
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:58 AM
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They are clearly using the term to refer to technological products - ie somehow associated with computers. Thus, the Edsel and BetaMax don't belong on this list.
I diagree Ed. If they were using the term as you have defined it, then they could not have included virtual reality, voice recognition or bluetooth. Those are technologies, not technological products. I would be content if they had stuck with all products or all technologies, but instead, they have not thought through what is was they were actually doing before making the list. The result is just a list of 'ten things we want to complain about'.
 
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Old 05-19-2009, 01:46 AM
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I diagree Ed. If they were using the term as you have defined it, then they could not have included virtual reality, voice recognition or bluetooth. Those are technologies, not technological products. I would be content if they had stuck with all products or all technologies, but instead, they have not thought through what is was they were actually doing before making the list. The result is just a list of 'ten things we want to complain about'.
I think the Wikipedia artilce makes it clear that all 10 items are considered "Technology." Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:54 AM
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You must understand Alan, the poor yanks have terrible or neutered phones, so they don't get to use Bluetooth as much. :P
LOL no comment (but I understand how this might be an issue!) ;-)
 
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