AdamZ: You think as a Pocket PC fan you should support the WMA format?
A friend of mine has an iPOD, and he is not impressed by it at all. Nor was I while trying to use it in the passenger seat of his car. Yeah, you can store a couple days worth of music on it, but it doesn't have half the functionality or flexibility of my Pocket PC.
LOL I guess you aren't impressed by a television because it can't run windows apps right? An iPod wasn't intended as a PDA. Its never been intended as a PDA. Jobs and co have given it some REALLY basic PDA functionality but that is where they draw the line. This devices primary purpose is music which, IMHO, it does exceedingly well.
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dh: no, the iPod won't play .ogg files. But even our Janak (.ogg fan as well) couldn't resist the iPod. I don't know if he knows more about the oggability of the iPod.
In short, it's not. I reripped my CDs into multiple formats: Ogg for my computer, and MP3 for my iPod, although now I'm starting to rerip it all to AAC. Of course, after I go out and by an iPod, several Ogg-compatible hard drive players are announced, including the iRiver and a Rio unit. Oh well. The iPod is still very nice, and its integration with iTunes is very convenient.
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I'm still in the dark as to why Apple doesn't support OGG. Its a free open standard right? It wouldn't cost them any lic fees to implement it. Am I missing something here?
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LOL I guess you aren't impressed by a television because it can't run windows apps right?
I'm not impressed by a television because it's an extremely limited device although it is able to recieve communications from a variety of other devices.
A television should be able to interact with a 100 disk CD changer giving you a visual interface for playing music. It should let you browse photographs stored elsewhere on your home network. It should allow you to display other pertinent home related information such as which lights in the house are on, which doors are unlocked, etc. It should notify you with picture ID when some one is calling you.
Granted, Windows XP Media Center Edition is headed in that direction... and THAT is very impressive.
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An iPod wasn't intended as a PDA. Its never been intended as a PDA. Jobs and co have given it some REALLY basic PDA functionality but that is where they draw the line. This devices primary purpose is music which, IMHO, it does exceedingly well.
Exactly! Then why do we care? It ONLY does music. A 30 year old walkman can play music through headphones, too. Sure the iPOD can store more music, but... essentially, it's still just a walkman.
I'm still in the dark as to why Apple doesn't support OGG. Its a free open standard right? It wouldn't cost them any lic fees to implement it. Am I missing something here?
Totally free for commercial and non-commercial use.
The iPOD is in no way complimentary to a Pocket PC.
Sorry, I strongly disagree there. Both Marlof & I use iPods alongside our Pocket PCs all the time. A Pocket PC can't store 30 gigabytes of music. That's not a few days, that's a few weeks of music. Once you get used to the idea of carrying all your music all the time, it's very hard to go back.
The Pocket PC is a great solution for playing music; my 3870 had comparative audio quality and a better equalizer than my iPod. But the inconvenience factor of emptying my SD or CF card all the time was the key decision for me to get an iPod. Plus, I use it as a mobile hard drive to move information around.
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Exactly! Then why do we care? It ONLY does music. A 30 year old walkman can play music through headphones, too. Sure the iPOD can store more music, but... essentially, it's still just a walkman.
Maybe you don't listen to as much music as I do, then. I find music invaluable, especially during my commute or during work in a server room. An iPod is hardly a Walkman. The equivalent analogy would be to say that a Pocket PC is the same thing as a Sharp Wizard. :?
I'm still in the dark as to why Apple doesn't support OGG. Its a free open standard right? It wouldn't cost them any lic fees to implement it. Am I missing something here?
Totally free for commercial and non-commercial use.
It has nothing to do with free. It has everything to do with Apple pushing AAC and iTunes. They're pulling a Microsoft in that regard -- less so, as MP4 and AAC are more industry-defined -- but I'd have been happier to see them push Ogg. However, that alone wasn't enough for me to abandon the idea of having all my music.
Maybe you don't listen to as much music as I do, then. I find music invaluable, especially during my commute or during work in a server room. An iPod is hardly a Walkman. The equivalent analogy would be to say that a Pocket PC is the same thing as a Sharp Wizard. :?
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It's about choice. When I hit the road for a 4 hour drive, maybe I start out in the mood for classical, but once out of the Northern Virginia snarl, I am in the mood for AC/DC. With 30 GBs of music, I have the choice to switch. I don't have to plan ahead.
The iPod also has some limited PDA functionality. There are times when I don't want to cart my Pocket PC around - the iPod's ability to act as a retreival PDA works.
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Notice many of the iPod defenders are all iPod (and PPC owners) and those who diss iPod and the ones without iPods. This may seem natural but trust me, once you get an iPod and find out how having just two hours of music available on your PPC is not enough, you won't go back!
The iPOD is in no way complimentary to a Pocket PC.
Sorry, I strongly disagree there. Both Marlof & I use iPods alongside our Pocket PCs all the time.
If you disagree than tell me one way that an iPOD enhances the functions of a Pocket PC. It's not integrated, it's a separate device, it requires a separate charger... the iPOD has no way to communicate with a Pocket PC be it transferring files or allowing remote control...
The iPOD may be supplementary, but it is in no way complimentary.
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Exactly! Then why do we care? It ONLY does music. A 30 year old walkman can play music through headphones, too. Sure the iPOD can store more music, but... essentially, it's still just a walkman.
Maybe you don't listen to as much music as I do, then. I find music invaluable, especially during my commute or during work in a server room.
I listen to music whenever I'm not sleeping. Having ALL my music on the iPOD would restrict my listening capabilities to a single limited device.You cannot control an iPOD remotely either with a Pocket PC or infrared remote control or desktop PC. Not to mention, it wouldn't play all my WMA files.
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An iPod is hardly a Walkman. The equivalent analogy would be to say that a Pocket PC is the same thing as a Sharp Wizard. :?
What reasoning do you have to back that statement?
A Pocket PC has much more functionality than a Sharp Wizard.
A Pocket PC plays music, plays movies, plays video games, lets you read ebooks, communicate via internet, email, instant messaging, telephone, SMS, MMS, lets you connect to other devices and networks wirelessly or through wired connections. It recognizes handwriting recognition and voice commands. It tells you which way to go while communicating with a global positioning system. It takes digital photographs and lets you send them to other people instantly.
I listen to music whenever I'm not sleeping. Having ALL my music on the iPOD would restrict my listening capabilities to a single limited device.
Why? You can have a copy of your music there. It's a hard drive. Just like the memory card on your Pocket PC. The difference is that it's much, much larger.
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Not to mention, it wouldn't play all my WMA files.
Well, like AAC, WMA means lock-in. MP3 would work fine on the desktop, Pocket PC, and any other music player out there.
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An iPOD does what?
Plays music.
Actually, a lot more than that. You can listen to Audible books, play games, read ebooks, make playlists on the fly, transfer digital photos, record voice notes, copy arbitrary files to the hard drive via USB or Firewire, etc. Oh, and try selecting an arbitrary song on your Walkman in 2 seconds or less.
In any case, we're now completely off-topic in this thread, so I'm going to stop debating. You have to figure out the optimal way to listen to your own music. If you ever get an iPod, check out the case Marlof talks about.
I reripped my CDs into multiple formats: Ogg for my computer, and MP3 for my iPod, although now I'm starting to rerip it all to AAC. Of course, after I go out and by an iPod, several Ogg-compatible hard drive players are announced, including the iRiver and a Rio unit. Oh well. The iPod is still very nice, and its integration with iTunes is very convenient.
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