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Old 09-08-2004, 05:40 PM
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Default I knew they wouldn't catch it.

The Genesis return capsule crashed in the desert on Wednesday after its parachutes failed to deploy. The craft missed a mid-air retrieval meant to save the spacecraft from impacting the Earth.

"... the Genesis capsule hit the ground at about 100 mph."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0...cnn/index.html
 
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Old 09-08-2004, 06:21 PM
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:08 PM
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:24 PM
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Before the "uh oh, there go those idiots at NASA again!" posts start popping up, please allow me to give you a first-person perspective on this disaster.

I was part of the mission operations team for this spacecraft, and I put in a 12-hour shift last night and this morning working the final release of the capsule. Remember, a mission like this isn't just about NASA throwing money around. There were a lot of very good engineers working this mission, people I work with on a day to day basis.

The Sample Return Capsule release went flawlessly this morning. From the tracking stations that kept us in communication with Genesis to the individual engineers working different spacecraft systems, we'd all invested countless hours of effort trying to make this work. It could end up being a small, seemingly insignificant problem that prevented the drogue chute and parafoil from deploying. It doesn't mean, however, that NASA or Lockheed-Martin are a bunch of idiots! Like any human endeavour, this one was undertaken with the very real possibility that things might go wrong. People would have started the naysaying had one or both of the Mars rovers failed to reach the surface of Mars intact and functional. After all, it happened to the British Beagle 2 lander back in December.

It's easy to laugh or mock when something like this happens, but imagine how my Genesis teammates and I feel watching all of our work end up like this. How would you feel if years of your hard work were now laying smashed and half buried in the Utah desert? This isn't about bumbling NASA bureaucrats, it's about engineers, pilots, and scientists who did their jobs, and did them well.

The spacecraft bus which carried the Sample Return Capsule is still alive and functional. I have to go into work tomorrow and work with an empty spacecraft bus knowing that this has happened.

Sad! Sad, indeed!

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Old 09-08-2004, 09:07 PM
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Paul,

I'm very sorry to see all this work go to waste. (Well hopefully not. I hope they can salvage something.) Anyway, I'm very interested in space exploration and followed the mars rovers closely. Ask anyone here. I did not mean to imply NASA or anyone else "are a bunch of idiots." I never said that. One person replied with "Ouch" which does not imply anything either. All I meant to imply was catching a pod dangling from a parachute dropped from a plane is much different from catching a pod that has just come from hundreds of thousands of miles away at 25,000 miles per hour, hit's a planets atmosphere and slows to a 5 MPH decent..... then trying to figure out where it's going to be and catch it.

I respect the work NASA and others do and understand that not every mission is going to be successful.


So if you happen to know, how accurate were they with the entry/capture point? How far off were they? If the parachutes had opened would they have been able to retrieve it?
 
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Old 09-08-2004, 09:25 PM
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...and I'd like to add, thank goodness the guidance systems didn't fail! Otherwise, the 'drop' could have been in the middle of an inhabited area!
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Old 09-08-2004, 09:29 PM
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I would venture to say that most people here would not say that NASA are idiots, or that this problem is indicative of anything. A lot of people here, however, are interested in space, and that's why Jack posted. I think most people's reactions would parallel Jack's and mine, which is that we are sorry to see such a big and interesting endeavor end in this manner. It is disappointing because of the loss of scientific information, not disappointing because we think NASA did anything wrong.
 
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Old 09-08-2004, 09:39 PM
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Ditto on Kati's comments. I was just showing my kids some info about this the other day and told them that we'd prolly see some cool "grab" video on the news. It will be interesting to see how they manage to account for the contamination and continue on with analysis, as the AP account said would be done.

That said, with budgets for space science so tight, it kills me to see a $260-odd million project bite the dust, as it were. 0X
 
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Old 09-08-2004, 10:23 PM
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Default Hi Paul, ex-roomie...

Hi Paul,
We were slightly horrified to watch the video this morning. It's an awful feeling knowing that the many hours you spent doing something important may well be for naught.

As an aside, we've entered science mode on Gravity Probe and things have settled down greatly.

Ex-roomie,
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For the rest, Paul and I were business roomies at a large aerospace company before he moved to Colorado.
 
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Old 09-08-2004, 10:28 PM
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Quote:
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I was part of the mission operations team for this spacecraft...
WOW! I can't believe that somebody from NASA mission operations visits this site and is posting here!
WOW!

All I can say is, "WOW!"

Thanks, Yogyakarta, for hanging out here with us!
 
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